Disarmed and Taxed by the U.N.

[WolfPa]

Obama Backs U.N. Bill to Disarm Americans

Four Winds 10
May 7, 2008

This is just in from Sen. Coburn's office. Obama has authored a bill, and it is now in the Senate, to give the UN .7% of our GNP to be used to feed hungry 3rd worlders, AND to use UN force to disarm you and me and all gun owners. No one in the media has brought this to the attention of the general sheeple out here.

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Obama's bill S2433 passed the committee and going to the Senate

Senator Coburn is blocking this bill.

Patrick Guinn

Obama's bill S2433 would require the U.S. to initially direct .7 percent of our GNP into the United Nations coffers for distribution as they see fit, for "food" to third world nations. Under earlier agreements this would evolve into a national tax on the U.S. with the UN attempting to levy this on all first world nations.

The U.N. would have the power to increase this rate of taxation.

The U.S. would be required to surrender some of its sovereignty over foreign aid by putting it under UN control. The bill would force the U.S. to sign onto the U.N.'s Millennium Declaration, which would commit us not only to "banning small arms and light weapons" but also to adhere to the International Criminal Court Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

WashingtonWatch.com - S. 2433, The Global Poverty Act of 2007

[Divinorumus]

You folks ready to join the anarchist party yet? :arms:

[WolfPa]

Just about. I tell you. This guy scares me.

And people wonder why I pay for all my firearms in cash. Less of a paper trail should anyone get cute with the 2nd amendment. Ive moved a few times since I bought my last gun. But I don't see that stopping anyone.

As for the U.N. . They have no right to do either.

[Divinorumus]

I'm all for helping the poor and disadvantaged, but NOT by robbing Peter for the benefit of Paul! Robbing others via involuntary taxes is blatant theft, slavery, and immoral.

I am all for helping the poor and disadvantaged, but by equalizing the playing field and permitting ALL humans upon Earth an equal opportunity to succeed or fail upon their OWN effort and merit, or lack thereof. By this I mean NO MORE sovereign nations or states, no more discriminating borders and fences, no more cheating versions of funny money, no more authoritarian rule and domination and governments, no more restrictions where you or I or anyone else can live and work, no more private land ownership, no more income taxes, no more bigot gangs, no more racism and discrimination, etc.

The problem we have right now is that too many people are content and comfortable and thus won't rock the boat. For a rebellion and change to happen, people need to become discontent and angry and desperate, here and all around the world. Our best chances for this to happen is a complete worldwide economic collapse. Help support the collapse. It's the only way.

[WolfPa]

Won't that just cause people to think it's the end times?

[Divinorumus]

End of what? The end of the era of authoritarian rule and social enslavement? I want complete freedom to live as I please without interference from any government or other authority or individual, with one exception of course: it does appear we do need a police force to insure these freedoms and to prevent anyone from ever victimizing or enslaving another ever again.

Right now I think we live in a horrible era and time where we have all been manipulated into slavery and our inalienable freedoms have been stripped away. By this I mean the fruits of my labor should NOT be involuntarily taken from me for the benefit of another. And, if I want to take a deep inner space trip on some natural substance today instead of going to work in order to earn money I need to pay taxes to live upon Earth, that should be my right too. Right now we are all slaves. The wild animals in the forests have more personal freedom than we do.

I am totally against the successful and fruitful and fittest being exploited and used for the benefit of the inept and failures and weak! This idea that some should be involuntarily taxed for the benefit of others is slavery and totally immoral and a sin and WRONG!

The authoritarians know what they are up to is wrong and immoral, which is why they want to disarm us. Well, UN, just try it, and you'll end up with little leaking holes in your heads. :theyareontome:

[WolfPa]

This is the same government that created FEMA. Or as it's better know as. (Federation Effectivley Mangaling America)

The problem is that 3rd world money gets funneled into less then pleasent groups. And a disarmed America makes thier goals all the more atainable.

[Biker]

The U.N. is so much more than worthless. Just ask the Tutsis - what's left of them.

By the way...That blue helmet really stands out at a distance too.

Biker

[whskyfan]

End of what? The end of the era of authoritarian rule and social enslavement? I want complete freedom to live as I please without interference from any government or other authority or individual, with one exception of course: it does appear we do need a police force to insure these freedoms and to prevent anyone from ever victimizing or enslaving another ever again.

Right now I think we live in a horrible era and time where we have all been manipulated into slavery and our inalienable freedoms have been stripped away. By this I mean the fruits of my labor should NOT be involuntarily taken from me for the benefit of another. And, if I want to take a deep inner space trip on some natural substance today instead of going to work in order to earn money I need to pay taxes to live upon Earth, that should be my right too. Right now we are all slaves. The wild animals in the forests have more personal freedom than we do.

I am totally against the successful and fruitful and fittest being exploited and used for the benefit of the inept and failures and weak! This idea that some should be involuntarily taxed for the benefit of others is slavery and totally immoral and a sin and WRONG!

The authoritarians know what they are up to is wrong and immoral, which is why they want to disarm us. Well, UN, just try it, and you'll end up with little leaking holes in your heads. :theyareontome:

Well said Div, well said...

[whskyfan]

I'm not sure but I think this may be in error. Here are links to the 2 version of this bill. No mention of guns, .7% of GNP, the U.N., International Criminal Court Treaty or the Kyoto Protocol.

Global Poverty Act of 2007 (Introduced in Senate) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:1:./temp/~c110TNSYox::)

Global Poverty Act of 2007 (Reported in Senate) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:2:./temp/~c110wOf9pH::)


The United Nations Millennium Declaration is here. (http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e.htm)

No, I do not support the United Nations, we need to get out.

No, I am not an Obama supporter. Nor am I a McCain supporter.

[SquidInk]

I am totally against the successful and fruitful and fittest being exploited and used for the benefit of the inept and failures and weak! :theyareontome:

I might agree with you, but first define successful, fittest, inept & weak.

[Judee]

Right now we are all slaves. The wild animals in the forests have more personal freedom than we do.

Absolutely true!



The authoritarians know what they are up to is wrong and immoral, which is why they want to disarm us.

Yup! They have nefarious plans, and they're certainly not about to tell us what they're up to!

[Divinorumus]

I might agree with you, but first define successful, fittest, inept & weak.

Use dictionary.com . . .

[Biker]

Div...

Those words describe all of us to one degree or another. I think SquidInk is trying to get you to narrow the definition, to clarify.

Biker

[Divinorumus]

Div...

Those words describe all of us to one degree or another. I think SquidInk is trying to get you to narrow the definition, to clarify.

Biker

Okay, let me clarify. It is wrong, thievery, immoral, a total jack, for anyone, be it a thief, your own children, your own spouse even, or some authoritarian ruler, to stick their fingers into your pockets, into your bank account, into your piggybank, and TAKE money from you, which you worked for, which is yours, and give it to ANYONE else, regardless of ANY reason or justification or who they think they are and what they think they are entitled to which is yours (be them weak, inept, blind, old, cripple, citizens or foreigners, or whatever), involuntarily. Charity, a.k.a. welfare, should and must be voluntary and NOT involuntary. THAT is what I mean. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not without compassion, and I am a charitable person where charity is clearly warranted, BUT, this notion of involuntary wealth redistribution is inarguably wrong, blatant slavery, and clearly immoral!

Think about this for a moment: There are those that are working today, but are loosing their homes, or can't afford medical insurance, because of the increase in fuel and food and other cost of living expenses, people that wouldn't be in such hardships if their taxes were cut in half, if only all welfare programs were eliminated. Yet those taxes they must pay are being redistributed to others so that THEY can eat for free, and live in jack subsidized housing, and get free medical care. Now, does THAT seem fair? People that live off of JACKED money need to realize they are no better than a common thief, and that's the damn truth. Involuntary charity is not charity ~ it's a friggin jack!

Did I clarify things? Again, don't get me wrong, I'm no monster ~ but let's call a jack a jack. Charity must be voluntary or else it's an immoral enslaved jack robbery!

[WolfPa]

The problem is alot of those people in 3rd world countries are victims of thier own governments. And those governments are the one's who hand out that money, or aid.

Thier are prolly warehouses filled with rotten food in some of those contries.

[SquidInk]

Did I clarify things? Again, don't get me wrong, I'm no monster ~ but let's call a jack a jack. Charity must be voluntary or else it's an immoral enslaved jack robbery!

Yep - you clarified...

I agree with you regarding the difference between voluntary giving versus coercive taking. However, I don't believe that a high rate of taxation is always indicative of a successful person - or vice versa.

But I do believe that those individuals who procure more money over a time span should not have it automatically taken (and skimmed by the State) to supplement those who procure less money. The modern State and it's "tax" is no more legitimate than the Mob and it's vigorish.