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Alpha
11-03-2008, 12:08 PM
Interesting and controversial documentary. I highly recommend a watch. Looking forward to your comments.

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Indoctrinate U is a feature-length documentary film written by, directed by and starring Evan Coyne Maloney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Coyne_Maloney), on ideological conformism and political correctness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness) in American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) higher education. Among other things, the film examines the use of institutional mechanisms such as speech codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_code), which it claims are used to punish students who express political views that are unpopular within academia.


The film covers anti-military protests at UC Santa Cruz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Santa_Cruz) and San Francisco State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_State_University), treatment of conservative students at Cal Poly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Polytechnic_State_University) and the University of Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee), racial and ethnic politics at the University of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan) and Yale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University), teaching at Duke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University) and Columbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University), among other subjects.


It also includes interviews with David French and Greg Lukianoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Lukianoff), (then respectively president and director of legal and public advocacy at the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Individual_Rights_in_Education)), Glenn Reynolds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Reynolds), Daniel Pipes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pipes) and others.


Maloney spent two and a half years making the documentary by conducting interviews on various college campuses and with various thinkers. The film was preceded by two shorter versions, Brainwashing 101 and Brainwashing 201: The Second Semester. The two shorts led the 2004 American Film Renaissance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Film_Renaissance) festival to select Indoctrinate U as its "most anticipated documentary."


In March 2007, Maloney appeared on Hannity's America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannity%27s_America) to discuss the film. On April 19 of the same year, he appeared on C-SPAN's Washington Journal where they showed clips from the film and took calls.


Indoctrinate U was produced by On the Fence Films with the support of the Moving Picture Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_Picture_Institute), and Stuart Browning, Blaine Greenberg, and Thor Halvorssen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Halvorssen_Mendoza). The film's executive producers are Stuart Browning and Blaine Greenberg. Its associate producer is Frayda Levy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frayda_Levy&action=edit&redlink=1). It was edited by Chandler Tuttle (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chandler_Tuttle&action=edit&redlink=1).
For those interested and able to stream, it's available on You Tube in 10 parts, about 9 minutes each.


Part I

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Part II

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Part III

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Link to the other 7 parts HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7RSiD-qB9U&feature=related)

I'll see if I can find this somewhere, in entirety.

More on Indoctrinate U (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=A78B80CD-A9E8-4AC8-B957-6825C1D50CC0)

This is also airing on Discovery Channel.

Here's the lineup:


Documentary Channel to show "Indoctrinate U"!

The Documentary Channel will be showing Indoctrinate U next week as part of its "Controversy in America" series.

Monday, October 27th : 09:00 PM - 10:30 PM

Tuesday, October 28th: Midnight - 01:30 AM (After midnight Monday)

Saturday, November 1st: 05:00 PM - 06:30 PM

Sunday, November 2nd: 02:00 AM - 03:30 AM

Tuesday, November 4th: 03:00 AM - 04:30 AM

(All times Eastern U.S.)

The Documentary Channel is available on satellite and many cable systems nationwide. Check your provider for channel information.

The schedule is subject to change. For the most up-to-date times, visit the Documentary Channel's website.

Project
11-03-2008, 12:53 PM
Why was affirmative action put into practice anyways?

HB3
11-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Originally as a kind of slavery/Jim Crow/etc reparations by the Nixon administration, but has since been expanded to cover any minority group in the country, whether or not that had ancestors or any kind of legacy of oppression here, under a very convoluted and unproven theory regarding "diversity." What this means in practice is an extensive system of perks available to everyone except those unlucky enough to be born white, who are not only denied these perks, but furthermore, taught within the same system that they're part of the legacy of oppression responsible for keeping virtually everyone else down, whether they or their family had anything to do with it or not. In order to do that, the theories of "unconscious racism" and "white privilege" were invented, since there no longer are any actual Jim Crow-type laws in this country. After billions, if not trillions of dollars wasted with very little practical results, the theory of "disparate impact" was created to explain why this is -- again, that pesky legacy of oppression, receding ever further into the distance.

This is all very effective, as it doesn't require any actual proof, and creates a theoretical framework by which the system can continue indefinitely.

Project
11-03-2008, 02:12 PM
So, theoretically, if a population is composed of 20% of people from one racial grouping, and if the population of a public institute is composed of 2% of that group, what is the appropriate response to this.

Take the police force for instance, if our population consists of 10% native people, and there is 1% of police force of same group, should this be addressed? Is this a bad thing?

I am not arguing for or against, I am undecided on this topic personally.

Alpha
11-03-2008, 02:19 PM
Good discussion above :)

However I don't want folks to think that this video is centered on "affirmative action" as it is not.

The topic centers on intellectual diversity and genuine tolerance and how we seem to be loosing just that.

HB3
11-03-2008, 02:30 PM
So, theoretically, if a population is composed of 20% of people from one racial grouping, and if the population of a public institute is composed of 2% of that group, what is the appropriate response to this.

Take the police force for instance, if our population consists of 10% native people, and there is 1% of police force of same group, should this be addressed? Is this a bad thing?

I am not arguing for or against, I am undecided on this topic personally.

You can make the same argument about women. But promoting or hiring people who would normally be considered less qualified, or sometimes even unqualified, is potentially dangerous in many situations.

Would you support percentage-based employment for jobs such as brain surgeon? Why not? The argument's the same.

HB3
11-03-2008, 02:31 PM
Good discussion above :)

However I don't want folks to think that this video is centered on "affirmative action" as it is not.

The topic centers on intellectual diversity and genuine tolerance and how we seem to be loosing just that.

There are indeed many people in academia who shamelessly use their classrooms to promote a very limited political agenda. Generally I really don't mind a "politicized" classroom, but, Christ, the agenda they're pushing is so boring.

Project
11-03-2008, 02:32 PM
Good discussion above :)

However I don't want folks to think that this video is centered on "affirmative action" as it is not.

The topic centers on intellectual diversity and genuine tolerance and how we seem to be loosing just that.

Sorry the first 2 parts seem to be pretty much exclusively about affirmative action...

I know schools are strange places, and have strange rules, and are certainly not there for free speech, they never were meant to be for this... free exchange of ideas perhaps, but that was thrown away so long ago no one even remembers it. Maybe the real problem is we believe schools are something radically different from what they actually are?

I am pretty sure most of you will hate this hehe :http://www.tolerance.org/teach/activities/activity.jsp?ar=718

Lots of opinions out there.

HB3
11-03-2008, 02:39 PM
I haven't seen the movie. These guys have been trying to get it distributed for years now.

Judee
11-03-2008, 05:51 PM
The activists all reject the idea of "colorblindness." Many people contribute the "goal" of colorblindness to a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Was Dr. King advocating that people ignore color? Ignore racism? Why?

Good question...

Judee
11-03-2008, 05:59 PM
So, theoretically, if a population is composed of 20% of people from one racial grouping, and if the population of a public institute is composed of 2% of that group, what is the appropriate response to this.

Take the police force for instance, if our population consists of 10% native people, and there is 1% of police force of same group, should this be addressed? Is this a bad thing?

I am not arguing for or against, I am undecided on this topic personally.


If you're talking about jobs Project, hiring should be done on the ability of any person to perform the job -- period! Unfortunately, 'race' is never blind, and bigotry is definitely not only a two way street, it's a multi-lane highway! Forcing homogenization is causing more problems than it is solving at this particular time in history. I have hope that as young people of all races grow up together, they will be blind and deaf to the old racism values (in all races) that are taught by their elders. This presidential campaign is proof positive that we have a long, long way to go!

Project
11-03-2008, 05:59 PM
Good question...

Sure doesn't sound like he is advocating colorblindness to me... he (according to my warped sense of the world) seems to be advocating equality and parity. To be judged on an equal level as anyone else. This is not a lack of color, it is an acknowledgement of the realities of the world we live in, and striving to eliminate those inequalities.


White activists need to understand that they can't completely understand or "get" the experience of a person of color. They should trust that their allies, people of color, are not being too sensitive or complaining. Everyone, especially U.S. citizens, has some sort of privilege in their lives, and, as a person of color, I make sure that people have space to express themselves in a way they feel is right. I need to trust that my white allies will do the same for me when I need it.

Project
11-03-2008, 06:03 PM
I suppose a little more empathy is all I am talking about, realizing that your experiences in the world are not representative of everyone else. Words you find harmless are not necessarily harmless to everyone. Social situations you are comfortable with do not apply across the board.