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Random
01-28-2005, 12:33 PM
Voters approve new crackdown on illegals
Arizona referendum bolsters grass-roots efforts nationwide
Posted: November 4, 2004
4:04 p.m. Eastern




Arizona voters' approval of a referendum clamping down on illegal aliens is bolstering a grass-roots effort that may result in similar measures across the nation.

The Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act, placed on the ballot by activists, makes it mandatory for people registering to vote to show proof of U.S. citizenship, the San Antonio Express-News reported. It also calls for a $750 fine and up to four months in jail for government employees who don't report the use of public benefits by illegals.


Phoenix businessman Randy Pullen, a member of the Republican National Committee and chairman of the campaign to pass the measure, called it "the beginning of illegal immigration brought under control."

"It's a movement that's growing stronger. It's not going to stop illegal immigration, but it's a start," Pullen told the San Antonio paper.

Proposition 200 was met with dismay by the Mexican government, which issued a statement yesterday saying it "will lead to discrimination based on racial profiling while limiting access to basic health and educational services."

The statement said it "doesn't contribute in any way, shape or form to any constructive manner of dealing with the migration phenomenon between Mexico and Arizona."

Groups monitoring Arizona's success already plan to promote similar initiatives in California, Colorado and Georgia, the News-Express reported.

An opponent of the measure, Steve Roman, spokesman for No on Proposition 200, maintains it is unclear to which programs the measure applies and believes courts will determine the law's impact. He also contends the U.S. Justice Department will have to address the voter requirement to ensure it does not violate civil rights.

Roman believes only the federal government, which establishes immigration policy, can produce any real change.

The San Antonio paper, however, points out Arizona citizens acted precisely because they see the federal government as unresponsive to the urgent problems confronted by border states.

A group in Georgia is taking a draft proposal of a similar measure to state lawmakers in January. In Colorado, bolstered by Arizona's success, an initiative that failed last spring will be reintroduced.

In Texas, where ballot initiatives are not allowed, a group called Texans for Fair Immigration is hoping that if the Arizona measure stands up in court, it will put more pressure on lawmakers in Austin to pay attention to the issue.



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Mexico threatens Arizona over anti-illegals measure
Official says challenge in international courts possible to block voter-passed Proposition 200
Posted: January 28, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern




A Mexican government official has threatened to use international courts to block an Arizona law meant to limit public benefits and voting rights to legal residents of the U.S.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said in a radio interview Wednesday that an international strategy would be used if other attempts to reverse Proposition 200 fail, the Associated Press reported.

"We are seeking all the legal opportunities that exist, first using the legal capacities of the United States itself and ... if that does not work, bringing it to international tribunals," AP quotes Derbez as saying.

Mexican officials have repeatedly complained about Proposition 200, which went into effect Tuesday. The statewide measure denies most taxpayer benefits to illegal aliens and requires state workers to report applicants for such benefits who may not be eligible. It also requires anyone registering to vote in the state to show proof of citizenship and bring a government-issued ID to the polling place.

AP reported Derbez expressed regret that, according to polls, about 40 percent of Mexican-Americans in Arizona supported Prop. 200. The measure passed with 60 percent of the vote.

"It's sad, and it gives an idea of how we have to work to educate even our own Mexican-Americans about why it is important that these proposals are not accepted," Derbez said.

The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund has challenged Prop. 200, saying it is "an illegal, impermissible, unconstitutional state attempt to regulate immigration policy, which is a fundamental function and responsibility of our federal government. Proposition 200 is mean-spirited and un-American."

Random
01-28-2005, 12:39 PM
I think this bill is greatI think ALL 50 states should ADOPT this could you imagin the tax burden that would be lifted off the US if illigals were not allowed to get public assistance and how many would ACTUALLY be sent BACK to Mexico and for the most part have to stay there because they are ILLIGAL ....The world court AND MEXICO need to stay OUT of AMERICAN law....Especialy LAWS that we use to protect our borders.
Stepping OFF my soap box

Random
01-28-2005, 12:55 PM
Intresting Info I found:We are lossing an estimated $420 billion in accounting due to the undocumented workers here in the US.
This is due to the undocumented workers getting ahold of American Social Security numbers and using them to satisfy government requirements to get a job.
The goverment is aware of the problem, Our creditors are aware of the problem, even our employers maybe aware of this issue but they will not notify the rightful owner of the SS# until it is time to collect monies for back taxes, defaulted home and car loans etc. Then the rightful owner has to endure years of fighting to prove who they are, that they did not make purchases etc.
This is another example of where the US needs to take the same steps as other countries of the worls do today and protect our borders, yes allow immigrant workers temporary work status here in the US to perform the jobs that they are doing today, but do it legally!

Shecoda
01-28-2005, 01:58 PM
I agree with Random. We have incredible health care costs, hospitals and emergency rooms closing here in Southern California because of the illegal situation. Because they are illegal, they use the emergency rooms like you and I would use a doctors office. Because of existing laws certain hospitals can't refuse medical care for even the smallest non emergency. As they close, the private hospitals are becoming burdened and health care costs start rising.

The illegal alien problem has been studied here and in Washington and the conclusion of the studies is that stopping the flow of illegals into the US would force Mexico to have to deal with it's own citizens. In effect because we allow so much illegal human traffic to cross our borders, Mexico doesn't have to deal with their own populace, in the areas of job creation, welfare, birth control, health care, education, etc.

As strange as it may sound, we would be doing the Mexican people a favor if we would stop illegals from crossing because it would force their own government into the 21st century while they learn to deal with their own problems.

The result would be a stronger Mexico, a healthier Mexican citizenry and better educated children on both sides of the border, as well as other benefits too numerous to elucidate.

I do realize that we have people from countries other than Mexico crossing illegally into this country, but the majority of the problem is Mexican citizens.

Skookum
01-28-2005, 07:11 PM
Proposition 200 was met with dismay by the Mexican government, which issued a statement yesterday saying it "will lead to discrimination based on racial profiling while limiting access to basic health and educational services."

Isn't that a pity? :mad:

Sorry, but after a while you just have to get pretty fed-up with "the system". If the voters passed this referendum in WA or CA, some A-hole judge would found to overrule it........has happened repeatedly here. The PTB explain that the voters don't really understand what they want.