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Alpha
08-24-2005, 10:58 AM
Although I've read quite a bit about the phenomenon of OBEs I've only had one that I can qualify as the "real " thing, therefore I'm far short of being an expert on this topic.

Below, there's an article about a current study on the OBE manifest with an attempt to learn more about how/why occurs.

There's also a link at the bottom of the article for those who wish to participate in the University of Manchester study which includes both those who had experienced/not OBEs.

Any thoughts on Wilde's assumption and theory??


'Out-of-body' experiences may come from within

Psychologists at The University of Manchester are investigating the idea that out-of-body experiences, commonly thought of as paranormal phenomena, may in fact have their roots in how people perceive and experience their own bodies.

Around 10% of the population have an out-of-body experience (OBE) at some time, typically involving a sensation of floating and seeing the physical body from the outside. It isn't uncommon for people to have more than one OBE, and they may also occur as part of the wider near-death experience some report experiencing in life-threatening circumstances.

Despite the high incidence of OBEs however, there is still a great deal scientists don't know about the phenomenon.

The University of Manchester study, funded by the Portuguese Bial Foundation which supports the scientific study of the physical and spiritual nature of Man, will use an online questionnaire on body perceptions and experience to examine differences between those who have and have not experienced OBEs. The survey will also gather details on the different kinds of OBEs people have, to categorise these experiences more precisely.

David Wilde, the researcher running the project, said, "There are several theories as to why people have OBEs. A common link between them is the idea that in certain circumstances the brain somehow loses touch with sensory information coming in from the body. This triggers a series of psychological mechanisms which can lead to someone having an OBE.

"In this study we aim to take the theory a stage further, by looking at the way people see and experience their bodies, and how - through perfectly ordinary psychological processes - these images and experiences may create the impression of seeing their bodies from the outside."

The research team hopes to capture data from at least 500 members of the public from anywhere in the world. Both people who have had an OBE and those who have not are encouraged to take part.

The survey can be seen at www.freeresponse.org/muobe2005/index.aspx and will be linked to from parapsychology websites across the world. It will be available for the next six weeks, and a summary of the results, which should contribute substantially to psychologists' understanding of the phenomenon, will be posted to the site in the autumn.

nightcat
08-24-2005, 11:54 AM
Well, I tried to complete the survey but after about the tenth or so questionnaire I got a page saying; "THIS SURVEY HAS BEEN TERMINATED - to complete survey, click link", at which point I was transferred back to the very beginning. I started from the get-go and the same thing happened again!

"Bugger this,", said I.

Alpha
08-24-2005, 12:50 PM
:banghead:

Yeah Cat....same thing happened to me twice :grumble:

I'll try to find a contact to the website later and report the problem...

The questions I got through though, didn't seem very related to my concept of the OBE experience. Seemed more of a questionaire on self esteem issues.

Wonder how they're going to spin on parlay that in this study?

nightcat
08-24-2005, 01:13 PM
Based upon the questions, I think what Wilde is hypothesizing is thus: People with negative self-esteem, skewed body perception, chronically painful conditions and fear of human contact are prone to OBEs due to their feelings of physical inferiority/uncomfortability. He seems to be tying it in with mild schizophrenia and drug use, also, to wit, "repeatedly negative physical experiences trigger mild schizoidism leading to self-medication and, eventually, belief in the illusion of leaving one's body". I can pretty much guarantee that is where he's going with it.



Did you catch all the "tricky" rephrasings of questions designed to catch a respondant lying? :D

Captain Kundalini
08-24-2005, 01:38 PM
This has always been a topic of interest for me.
I started having OBE's back in my early 20's.
When they first started, I would rise up to the ceiling and go around the room.
Then one day, while meditating (December 14, 1980), I had an OBE while sitting in a chair. I went out through the window, looked around for a few moments and then returned. That was the first time I had ever been outside of my dwelling.
I have had several others of note. During one OBE, I was "flying" over the desert when I came to the edge of a deep canyon. . Near the edge was a single story log cabin. Curious, I went closer to the cabin but found I couldn't enter. I flew out over the canyon and saw a river over a hundred feet below.
On another OBE, I saw myself outside of the place where Princess Diana lived and then Buckingham Palace.
Those are just a few things I remember.

Alpha
08-24-2005, 02:17 PM
Based upon the questions, I think what Wilde is hypothesizing is thus: People with negative self-esteem, skewed body perception, chronically painful conditions and fear of human contact are prone to OBEs due to their feelings of physical inferiority/uncomfortability. He seems to be tying it in with mild schizophrenia and drug use, also, to wit, "repeatedly negative physical experiences trigger mild schizoidism leading to self-medication and, eventually, belief in the illusion of leaving one's body". I can pretty much guarantee that is where he's going with it.



Did you catch all the "tricky" rephrasings of questions designed to catch a respondant lying? :D

Yeah, I did catch that Cat. :D
Kinda psych 101 to me if you will and I agree with your take on what may be his hypothesis....low self esteem leads or equates to "escapism" of sorts, thus will or vision of leaving one's less than satisfactory existance or body.

Would have been interesting to complete this survey just to see how/if the questions drilled down further, although I doubt if there are any questions related either to the spiritual or metaphysical beyond the simple "are you religeous" and/or "do you feel guilty about not going to church as often as you should?" etc.

Seems like another example of science devoid of integrating any metaphysicality, multiple dimensions etc.....the missing link perhaps me thinks ;)

Alpha
08-24-2005, 02:27 PM
Just a fyi...I just sent an email on behalf of our site to the web team and Manchester University regardiing the "termination' message we're getting while trying to complete the survey.

I'll let you all know if/what response I get :)

Alpha
08-25-2005, 12:01 PM
Well seems that the University of Manchester's site was down yesterday.

If any of you want to try the OBE survey again, please do and let me know if you got through it and what you thought of it.

Below, here's the response I received from David Wilde himself:

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Hi



I received notice that our survey website was not working. I have tried filling in the survey on line this morning

and it seemed fine (although I did it quite quickly just to test it).



The study was advertised quite widely yesterday and I wonder if the volume of traffic to the site may have affected its Performance.



Would you like to try again later today or tomorrow perhaps? I would be grateful if you could let me know if there Are still any problems.



Here is the link for your convenience:



http://www.freeresponse.org/muobe2005/index.aspx



Thanks for your interest in the project



Best wishes



Dave Wilde

University of Manchester

Project
08-25-2005, 03:33 PM
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Alpha
08-25-2005, 03:38 PM
I just tried it... It is hopelessly broken. Wonder why :)

OK I know....MS :D

Here's the email addy that I sent my original inquiry to....if you guys have problems, do try to email David directly with what you're getting.

webteam@manchester.ac.uk and address to OBE Study - David Wilde

So Project....can you fix 'em????!!! ;)

nightcat
08-25-2005, 07:24 PM
Yep... it's beyond buggered. I didn't get too far at all this time. Shall drop ol' Dave a note.

Project
08-26-2005, 01:39 AM
OK I know....MS :D

Here's the email addy that I sent my original inquiry to....if you guys have problems, do try to email David directly with what you're getting.

webteam@manchester.ac.uk and address to OBE Study - David Wilde

So Project....can you fix 'em????!!! ;) it is not only it is MS, it (a webpage) was designed and implemented using an old verion of a program not at all intended to do what is being done with it... and it is made by mikrosoft.

J

nightcat
08-26-2005, 06:28 AM
... and it is made by mikrosoft.


Microsoft = SmallFlaccid

Captain Kundalini
08-26-2005, 12:40 PM
Microsoft = SmallFlaccid

(Spits Coffee all over the computer monitor)
LMAO! God damn it! How about a little warning next time? :D

Captain Beyond
08-26-2005, 03:18 PM
CK,do you keep some windex by your monitor? :-D

Captain Kundalini
08-26-2005, 04:07 PM
CK,do you keep some windex by your monitor? :-D

I do now. :doh:

circledancer
08-26-2005, 04:08 PM
I've had a few spittakes too!, it's all good.

nightcat
08-30-2005, 09:34 AM
Survey STILL buggered!

Topper
09-18-2005, 12:29 PM
Hold on to your screens ... I'm going to post what happened between me
and another this morning in that slip stream of the paranormal.

I have a spiritual bond with a fellow who is a close friend of Victoria Jacks
(he was a roommate of hers years ago who was the same individual that
I use to request my mother to phone his mother to play with in the Tacoma
when I was around 5 years old)

This morning I was in his psychic face holding a conversation ... it was over
my health issues and those of our mutual friend Victoria Jack.

After talking on the phone with Victoria this morning she told me that he'd phoned her yesterday to say he might come visit her in the hospital today.
I had to warn her that he and I had exchanged paranormal messages ... giving her some forewarning as he will mentioned it.

Everytime he and I do this we spook the holy crap out of Victoria and
neither of us want to frighten her during her last days.