Update Show

[Dereka_k]

In October (the 9th I think) Ed Dames appeared on Coast to Coast with Art Bell and in the show said in the month of December 2004 he would:

1) lead the authorities to the body of a child that had been killed 25 years ago and

2) recover a treasure on public land and show up at Arts house with it for a Photo Op.

The plan was to basically put Remote Viewing on the Public map and give it real credibility. Well Art, George, how about an update show with Magor Dames. I have seen no news reports on the recovery of a child's body, or on the suddenly recovery of a 150 year old treasue from the southern U.S.

I know Art has a heck of alot of Faith in Ed, so how about a show?

D.

[Captain Beyond]

Yeah,I am ready as well for I enjoy DR Death.He did however miss the big F5 tornado in Ohio this year.It is also about time to see some pictures of that treasure as well.

CB

[Noel]

Maybe there holding off for a Christmas special. :eek:

[Dereka_k]

Maybe there holding off for a Christmas special. :eek:


Dr. Doom at Christmas? There's the holiday spirit :D

[Noel]

He does have a Scooge like quality. :Aliensmil

[Alpha]

In October (the 9th I think) Ed Dames appeared on Coast to Coast with Art Bell and in the show said in the month of December 2004 he would:

1) lead the authorities to the body of a child that had been killed 25 years ago and

2) recover a treasure on public land and show up at Arts house with it for a Photo Op.

The plan was to basically put Remote Viewing on the Public map and give it real credibility. Well Art, George, how about an update show with Magor Dames. I have seen no news reports on the recovery of a child's body, or on the suddenly recovery of a 150 year old treasue from the southern U.S.

I know Art has a heck of alot of Faith in Ed, so how about a show?

D.

I've always had a hard time keeping Dames, Morton's, Sylvia's and other guests predictions straight....oh that chaos in the mind. ;)

Anyway, I found THIS (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/trueorfalse/eddames.html) site, that seems keeps track of, and record the predictions of many of the regular soothsaying guests on Coast.

They have several dates and entries for Dr Doom, even include David Booth... :eek: , Aaron Donahue, Billy Meier, one of my least favorite guests, Benjamin Baruch, Scallion, Paglini and others.

Not sure how accurate this site is, but it was a fun read and stroll down Coast to Coast lane.

[BadBoy]

Well you got your wish - Art Bell is having Ed Dames as a guest again to ring in the New Year!

[Dereka_k]

Well you got your wish - Art Bell is having Ed Dames as a guest again to ring in the New Year!

See, good things do come to those who wait :p

[Moonwolf]

Anyone really interested in the full story of Dames should consult these sources:

http://www.rense.com/ufo3/trv.htm

http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/oooh/politics/censor02.html

http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/oooh/politics/93aliens-3.html


http://www.psitech.net/news/legal/lawsuit.htm

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/trueorfalse/eddames.html

http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/oooh/politics/93aliens-5.html

http://www.psitech.net/news/legal/bonsalljudgment/072302.html

http://www.psitech.net/news/legal/damesjudgment/061501.html

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/rvdames.html

So far it doesn't seem that Dames can "view" much of anything. The few close guesses he has had can be attributed to chance.

I will predict the following things will happen in 2005: War, famine, flood, fire, drought, stock market goes up, stock market goes down, hurricane, tornado, and last but not least, earthquake. Compare that record at the end of the year and see how many come to pass. I bet most of them. Special skills? Nope, I just predicted things that happen EVERY year.

If you want to know how well Dames does as a viewer, check his record, ALL of the record, not a few cherry picked examples that give a distorted picture, look at the whole picture. A few cheerleaders for Dames would prefer that you not do that. But the only way to get a complete picture is to look at tal the data and form an opinion with an open mind.

Remember, you can not debunk something unless there is bunk there to begin with.

Have a safe, happy and prosperous New Year.

[BadBoy]

Those sites are hardly credible, that last one defames Art Bell - so all their information is suspect in my opinion. The future is not fixed and their are multiple parallel future timelines. Psychics and RVers are seeing a possible future timeline that can still be changed, so its not their fault if the one they see doesn't happen to be the one timeline you end up on. I wouldn't blame them for that.

As far only debunking where there is bunk, that hasn't stopped many of them like Phil Klaas - they just make up their own bunk if needed! :D

[Moonwolf]

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! :rolleyes:

When Dames is right, he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong. It is that simple. If he predicts, as he did, that the economy would collapse in 1998 and it does not, he is wrong. No amount of armwavium will change that.

If you, badboy, want to be a fan and cheerleader for Dames, fine by me, that is your right. But hiding your eyes when his record is exposed hardly seems to be a very good way to find out the truth, in my opinion. If you think turning away from facts and the record is a good way to arrive at the truth, that is your choice too.

Why bring up Phil Klass? No one mentioned his name but you. I hardly see the connection between Klass, a bitter, elderly, very very physically ill man, and the record Dames has established for himself. I don't see the connection at all. Could you explain his relevance to Dames? I missed it.

[Illyria]

The future is not fixed and their are multiple parallel future timelines Is that a proven (is that a word?) fact BB? Because I'm pretty sure it isn't...

I'm being serious...is there a link to that *fact* or is it a theory that some people, like RV'ers, physics, clairvoyants believe in?

Not being sassy, truly want to know.

[BadBoy]

[QUOTE=Moonwolf
Why bring up Phil Klass? No one mentioned his name but you. I hardly see the connection between Klass, a bitter, elderly, very very physically ill man, and the record Dames has established for himself. I don't see the connection at all. Could you explain his relevance to Dames? I missed it.[/QUOTE]

That was in reference to your own posted statement:
" Remember, you can not debunk something unless there is bunk there to begin with."

[BadBoy]

Is that a proven (is that a word?) fact BB? Because I'm pretty sure it isn't...

I'm being serious...is there a link to that *fact* or is it a theory that some people, like RV'ers, physics, clairvoyants believe in?

Not being sassy, truly want to know.

Michio Kaku and others have discussed it many times, its a theory many scientists consider very possible. It hasn't been disproved, so I say give the benefit of the doubt.

[Illyria]

Thank you...it makes sense to me, I believe in multiple timelines..I'm just lazy sometimes, and don't bother to find out if I'm right:)

[Captain Beyond]

Illyria,it all depends on who you ask.It is theory for sure,based on the latest theoretical physicists like Hawking etc.That however does not make it true,but how would you prove such a thing.I can however give you an easy example of the practical side of this theory.

Let's say you have this drug addict,and they are at their witts end.In their dispair,they contemplate terrible things against their fellow man,terrible crimes of rape,murder,robbery and so on.At the last possible moment,some compassionate person reaches out to them and changes their mind and they alter their plan of destruction and get help.Their decision has put them on a new timeline and this theory goes along with the current string theory of the universe.Their decisions have put them on a new timeline,as they run side by side with our decisions causing us to jump from one to the other.We have a multitude of possible futures,all based upon the next decision.I know it sounds simplistic,and my feeble attempt to explain it is admited,but one change in decision,one altered plan,puts every subsequent decision at a later time,along with our arrival or not to any place we intended to go.We therefore do not meet an old firend at the store as we would have,or perhaps,now we do.

The next decision does alter your timeline,always has,always will.We are however predictable creatures,and creatures of habit,so it is more easy to see certain possible futures.

CB

[Illyria]

Illyria,it all depends on who you ask.It is theory for sure,based on the latest theoretical physicists like Hawking etc.That however does not make it true,but how would you prove such a thing.I can however give you an easy example of the practical side of this theory.

Let's say you have this drug addict,and they are at their witts end.In their dispair,they contemplate terrible things against their fellow man,terrible crimes of rape,murder,robbery and so on.At the last possible moment,some compassionate person reaches out to them and changes their mind and they alter their plan of destruction and get help.Their decision has put them on a new timeline and this theory goes along with the current string theory of the universe.Their decisions have put them on a new timeline,as they run side by side with our decisions causing us to jump from one to the other.We have a multitude of possible futures,all based upon the next decision.I know it sounds simplistic,and my feeble attempt to explain it is admited,but one change in decision,one altered plan,puts every subsequent decision at a later time,along with our arrival or not to any place we intended to go.We therefore do not meet an old firend at the store as we would have,or perhaps,now we do.

The next decision does alter your timeline,always has,always will.We are however predictable creatures,and creatures of habit,so it is more easy to see certain possible futures.

CB

Thanks CB.. I am fascinated with time..time travel, parallel all that. I have books and everything :D I just read them quite some time ago.

I appreciate your post.

[BadBoy]

The point of the multiple timelines is that means our future is not fixed (yet) - we all have the power to change it. The real goal of predictors should be to warn us so we can alter our path and avoid obstacles. So if a terrible future event predicted doesn't come true that should be considered a success! Maybe its because so many of the predictions lately (as Art observed) have been negative. A positive prediction would be desired to come true and would be a better test for validity. Mass consciousness would help as well.

[Moonwolf]

Thanks CB.. I am fascinated with time..time travel, parallel all that. I have books and everything :D I just read them quite some time ago.

I appreciate your post.

CB has the idea. Put another way, there is a timeline where I make this post, one where I don't, one where you reply, one where you don't and so forth. The problem is that these alternate timelines may not have any physical reality. The philosophers are arguing the question because the tools of science are simply not applicable.

The problem comes when someone tries to use this idea to rescue a failed prediction. "But I saw it perfectly, my prediction really did come to pass, it was just on another timeline." Sorry, but I am concerned with the one I live on, not some conjectual world.

The other problem is that the less ethical types want to have a situation where when they are right they are right, and when they are wrong they are right. You can not, in my view, have it both ways.

[Illyria]

The "Illyria" theory is life is truly like a "Choose your own Adventure" Novel. Remember those? Anyone, anyone?


Any way...I pick page 65 I get bit by a snake..but if I choose page 70 I get rescued by Gerard Butler, and get whisked off into the sunset.

I know I know, I'm simple, but That's how I "get it" :D

[Noel]

......And one where we're all at the FF and happy as clams.

[Illyria]

I'm guessing if we are at Flamboyantly Fabulous...you would be pretty happy :D

[Moonwolf]

You get it close enough, Illyria. :)

To bring this back full circle, if Dames is right and there is an earthquake at the size, place and time he specifies, then he hit the target, but if it does not happen where, when and the size he specifies, the open minded person will not let him get away with saying "But it happened just like I said on another timeline!"

When someone makes predictions, the honest person will take the hits with the misses.

[Captain Beyond]

Moonwolf,you make some valid points and I cannot outright disagree with them.It's kinda like the old question of,if a tree falls in the forest and noone is around,does it still make a sound?I assume that it does from observational experience of past similar events,even though I was not present.Having said that,just because I am not presently observing an alternate timeline,it is still a possability and could be as real as any tangible thing we know.We however can exist in only one reality or timeline at a time,so we assume that our present timeline is the only one that ever existed because we must consciously observe it to validate it.

I think much of the confusion is in the way we percieve time,and have formed a very rigid opinion of it.We percieve time,our life experiences as a seamless series of events,all on one timeline.Just perhaps though,there really are multiple timelines and we jump seamlessly onto another as our decisions dictate,with all possible futures and timelines running alongside us.It is only our perception,our limited understanding of time ,our inability to percieve more than one at a time that dictates our beliefs.It is our conscious identification with time that limits us to percieve only one timeline.We don't even understand time,although we can crudely measue what we percieve as time,we know little about the fourth dimension which is time.Just wait till we try and tackle the concept of eternity. :eek:

[Moonwolf]

Thank you, CB. I appreciate the kind words!

Physcists debate, but not very long or hard, as to whether the alternate timelines have any physical reality at all. The math simply doesn't cover the situation, and the philosophers can look at both sides of the issue and come up with 432 different, and mutually exclusive ideas, all of which they will declare are right! So I don't even worry about the problem figuring it is above my pay grade.

The bottom line, as I see it, is we live on THIS timeline, and if Dames is right about his earthquake prediction, he is right, if it doesn't happen when, where and the size he claims it will be, then he is wrong. Seems pretty simple to me! :)

[BenSlain]

if I choose page 70 I get rescued by Gerard Butler, and get whisked off into the sunset.




Where does that leave Buck? :confused:

[Illyria]

Where does that leave Buck?

OOPS :o He's on page 2, in the book named "Reality"... but, the one I'm talking about is "Fantasy Island"..theres even a little guy who chases a plane. :cool:

[BadBoy]

The bottom line, as I see it, is we live on THIS timeline, and if Dames is right about his earthquake prediction, he is right, if it doesn't happen when, where and the size he claims it will be, then he is wrong. Seems pretty simple to me! :)

Too bad reality is not so simple. Its not all black and white! Dames accepted responsibility and admitted he was "wrong" last night on several predictions - did you hear that? I don't fault the remote-viewer for telling what he sees, he cannot control the source of the information - sometimes he misinterprets the data or sees a timeline that we end up not going on. But at the time of the vision, we haven't gone on that timeline yet, so its not possible to tell if that will be the final result. I can't fault the RVer for that, its just the nature of the process. Thats not the actions of someone purposefully misleading or hoaxing, just attempting to use the tools as best as he can. I would prefer a warning to avoid a huge disaster even if it were only a small possiblity to come true - if it happened and someone ridiculed the warning in advance and noone listened because of it, that would be a true tragedy!

[Dereka_k]

If Memory serves correct Ed Dames said the next big earthquake should be 9+ and hit on January 14th just off the coast of Indonesia (Badboy posted the map in the Temporal Observatory the night of Major Dames appearence).

Given that events such as earthquakes are outside of our control it stands to reason that it should and would only occur on our current time line as nothing we do will influnce powers beyond our control.

So, the gauntlet has been thrown down. If another huge earthquake hits the poor people of the already virtually destroyed coastal areas of South East Asia on Januray 14th then Ed get s a big HIT. If not, its a MAJOR MISS for the Major.

I hope he's wrong, for the sake of the sake of the people already struggling to survive in that area after the last one.

[Shecoda]

If a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound? It makes a sound anybody could hear, and nobody can hear. Think about it.

I agree with you CB (ok you can get up off the floor now, we agree about something). :D I discovered the multiple universes/different timelines years ago in the ---- books.

Ok OK. I agree with Moonwolf. Possible universes/timelines are of the vaguest interest to me. I am basically interested in this timeline. And frankly, Ed Dames is wrong a whole lot more than he is right as far as this timeline is concerned.

Still though, it takes time to perfect a technique. I believe the more people who get interested in "mind powers" only work in the best interest of the human race as a whole. Once the collective consciousness starts allowing for these brain stretches , the more powers we will develop. So while I don't think he gets much right, I applaud him as I think it is people like Maj. Dames bringing this type of stuff to the forefront that will ultimately allow some of us and many of our children and grandchildrean to become much more than our parents were.

[BadBoy]

Actually here is the transcript about the upcoming 9+ earthquake prediction from the C2CAM website, its not in January:

"Remote viewing expert Major Ed Dames believes he has found the location of Earth's next major catastrophe. According to Dames, a 9+ magnitude earthquake, with an epicenter just off the Northwest tip of New Guinea (Eastern Indonesia, 0.5 degrees S/131.5 degrees E), will occur sometime in March 2005. "


Its great to be interested in one timeline, but its splitting every second as we move in the future with every decision everyone makes. Mass consciousness experiments proves we can affect it when lots of minds concentrate on changing one part of it. Don't be passive, use the warning information from RVers to your advantage to alter your destiny. Just sitting back and keeping score isn't the reason for the predictions.

[Dereka_k]

Actually here is the transcript about the upcoming 9+ earthquake prediction from the C2CAM website, its not in January:

"Remote viewing expert Major Ed Dames believes he has found the location of Earth's next major catastrophe. According to Dames, a 9+ magnitude earthquake, with an epicenter just off the Northwest tip of New Guinea (Eastern Indonesia, 0.5 degrees S/131.5 degrees E), will occur sometime in March 2005.

I remember seeing the date of March 2005 posted but for some reason I thought I saw an updated date of January 14th. I could be wrong. I guess the Major has until March 31st to prove himself this time.

Don't get me wrong, I like Ed, I enjoy his shows, but it just seems that everytime he sets a date on something because he wants to finally give Remote Viewing some credibility he fails to produce then side steps it when he's asked.

He has admitted to being wrong before, which takes guts. But he's going to need a major hit if he ever wants to put Remote Viewing on the mainstream map.