John Titor/Time Travel/American Civil War 2005 [Archive] - Imaginative Worlds Paranormal and Supernatural Forum

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:36 PM

November 02, 2000 01:16

I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline. The basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'd show it to you.

November 02, 2000 08:55

Is there a site where I don't need to register personal information to post pictures?

November 02, 2000 18:27

I'll be happy to send them to you and answer any questions you may have.

November 02, 2000 01:00

I saw the posting requesting the basic systems for a gravity distortion system that will allow time travel. Here they are:

1. Magnetic housing units for dual microsignularities.
2. Electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity of microsingularities.
3. Cooling and x-ray venting system
4. Gravity sensors (VGL system)
5. Main clocks (4 cesium units)
6. Main computer units (3)

November 04, 2000

What does traveling in time look like?

The unit has a ramp up time after the destination coordinates are fed into the computers. An audible alarm and a small light start a short countdown at which point you should be secured in a seat.

The gravity field generated by the unit overtakes you very quickly. You feel a tug toward the unit similar to rising quickly in an elevator and it continues to rise based on the power setting the unit is working under. At 100% power, the constant pull of gravity can be as high as 2 Gs or more depending on how close you are to the unit. There are no serious side effects but I try to avoid eating before a flight.

No bright flash of light is seen. Outside, the vehicle appears to accelerate as the light is bent around it. We have to wear sunglasses or close our eyes as this happens due to a short burst of ultraviolet radiation.

Personally I think it looks like your driving under a rainbow. After that, it appears to fade to black and remains totally black until the unit is turned off. We are advised to keep the windows closed as a great deal of heat builds up outside the car. The gravity field also traps a small air pocket around the car that acts as your only O2 supply unless you bring compressed air with you.

This pocket will only last for a short period and a carbon sensor tells us when it's too dangerous. The C204 unit is accurate from 50 to 60 years a jump and travels at about 10 years an hour at 100% power.

You do hear a slight hum as the unit operates and when the power changes or the unit turns off. There is a great deal of electrical crackling noise from static electricity.

What are your memories of 2036?

I remember 2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail without spending a great deal of time explaining why things are so different.

In 2036, I live in central Florida with my family and I'm currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa. A world war in 2015 killed nearly three billion people. The people that survived grew closer together. Life is centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents.

There is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally. People spend much more time reading and talking together face to face. Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiple and divide in the heads.

Will you show us more of the operations manual for your time machine?

I will consider it but I do not expect they are worth anything to most people except as a curiosity.

If you met yourself on another worldline, what would happen?

It has always surprised me why that concept is so hard for people to imagine and accept. Nothing would happen. The universe would not end and there are no paradox problems that threaten existence.

Temporal space-time is made up of every possible quantum state. The Everett Wheeler model is correct. I have met and/or seen myself twice on different worldlines. The first was a training mission and the second is now.

I was born in 1998 so the other "me" is 2 on this worldline. There is a saying where I come from, "Every possible thing that can happen or will happen has already happened somewhere".

How is our worldline different from this yours?

For starters, the fact that I'm here makes it different. I've also noticed little things like news events that happen at different times, football games won by other teams, things like that.

I would guess the temporal divergence between this worldline and my original is about 1 or 2 percent. Of course, the longer I am here, the larger that divergence becomes from my point of view.

What type of vehicle is in the picture you posted?

It's a 1967 Chevrolet.

Does your machine allow you to control time travel?

Yes, it can be controlled. However, the distortion unit has operational limits. Imagine your path through time is through a cone. The farther away from the center of the cone, the more differences you will see in the worldline.

The C204 begins to "break away" at about 60 years. This means the level of confidence drops rapidly after 60 years of travel and the worldline divergence increases. In other words, if I wanted to go back 2000 years and meet Christ, there is a better than average chance I would end up on a worldline where he was never born.

The computer units and gravity sensors "record" your trip and you are quite easily able to return to your point of origin. I am aware that research is being done on faster units with more accurate clocks. I imagine that they will be able to go back farther with a higher degree of divergence confidence.

Are you drawn back to your worldline of origin for any reason? Is instability a problem for you?

I'm not sure what you mean by stable. If you mean mentally, there are many things that bother me here but being with my parents right now is important to me. Physically, the only thing really wrong is the number of colds I get.

Are you able to return to your home?

Yes.

Is radiation a problem?

I'm not sure what radiation you mean. If you mean from the unit, it vents X-rays and Gamma radiation out of the rear. As long as you stay away from that, you should be okay. I keep a radiation detector with me to check my environment and make sure the unit isn't "leaking".

What does the light look like when you time travel?

The light bending only lasts a second. Its like driving under a tunnel and being in total black.

Do people know where you are? Can you communicate with your home?

No. They do not know where I am and I cannot communicate with them. Interesting idea though. From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than expected.

Is there anything to add about what time travel looks like?

While the machine is on, everything is black. When the machine is turned off, it is the reverse affect. It appears you are driving out from a bridge. To tell you the truth, I'm usually sleeping when the unit turns off but yes, it does appear that the world fades in from black.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:40 PM

What's the largest technical problem when traveling in time?

The hard part of traveling through time is not the bending of gravity but the plotting of your course and holding to the basic "position" in your environment. This is done through a system called VGL (variable gravity lock).

Basically, the unit takes a reading of the local gravity and samples it during the "trip" in pulses. If the gravity is too far off, the unit stops or reverses itself to the last sample period where the readings were correct. If there is some sort of failure, the unit shuts down and drops out to where ever you may be.

Are there any physical effects from the machine?

The only real physical trace is a large chunk of ground missing from the point of origin and a large pile of dirt at the destination. The gravity field surrounds a small portion of the earth under you and takes it along for the ride. There is really no way around this.

November 06, 2000 09:04

Perhaps it's a bit easier to understand why time travelers do not revel themselves.

Yes, you can travel forward in time. No, you do not need an "invite" from the future. I first saw the car in 2036. The idea was to find a vehicle that would not draw too much attention for the time period. Unfortunately, there were not very many suitable vehicles around in 2036 and I sold the car when I arrived in 2000.

You do not rewrite history. I can only affect what happens here just as easily as you can. Why do people in this time period worry so much about time traveler's destroying their worldline when they have no problem doing it themselves every day?

My goal is not to be believed. Most people do not take news of the war very well but I find that everyone believes it's inevitable. Even in your own history, are not great inventions and discoveries made during a time of war in your effort to kill and maim in new and more efficient ways?

No, I do not work for GE or any other company. Are "stock tips" really the first thing you want to know about in the future? As a representative of your time period, do you realize what that says about you? You should probably know that this time is not remembered for its selflessness, charity or ability to work together.

Why would I want to talk to you? Why don't you believe you have something interesting or worthwhile to say to someone in the future?

November 06, 2000 09:08

No, the ice caps are not melting any faster than they are now. There is also far less smog and industrial waste in 2036.

November 06, 2000 16:43

You asked about the North Polar ice pack. I never said the environment wasn't a problem. Doesn't water expand when it freezes? If the polar ice cap melted, wouldn't sea level go down? I don't know if there's enough ice for this to make a difference and I'm not an expert on global warming.

November 06, 2000, 17:26

Yes, I realize people become hostile. I don't expect anyone to believe me and I have nothing to sell. I take no offense by it. Just out of curiosity, if you were a time traveler, what do you think it would take to get people to believe you?

I suppose we could agree that no particular era in history is famous for its development of humanity but just once I would like to hear questions like, "What is family life like in the future? How does society deal with poverty? Is AIDS, abortion and drug use still a problem?"

Why don't I give you a stock tip? The money you make would dilute the intelligence and forethought that a smart person had in picking the stock all by themselves. If I told you how to get rich, I would be taking money from them and giving it to you.

Getting back to my "proper" universe is tricky but possible. Yes, another jump would take me to a different family.

When traveling to other worldlines there is a system of clocks and gravity sensors in the machine that sample the environment before dropping out. It's called VGL, (variable gravity lock). If a cement block were there, the machine would "backtrack" until it sensed relative congruity to the original gravity sample. A great deal of time and effort goes into picking just the right spot since you cannot physically move during a displacement.

November 06, 2000 22:13

Please keep in mind a couple of points as I answer your questions. First, I am not a physicist. "Time travel" is only a tool that allowed me to do my job 1975. Most airline pilots are probably not aerospace engineers.

Second, let me give you an example of the position we are in. Imagine you live in the year 1900 and a "time traveler" attempts to explain how a jet engine works. Even though the invention of the airplane is only a decade in the future, he would have to find some frame of reference to explain the basics of flight. Then, he would have to outline the mechanics of how the engine works. As amazing as it would sound, the jet would be invented about thirty years later.

Time travel is achieved by altering gravity. This concept is already proven by atomic clock experiments. The closer an observer is to a gravity source (high mass), the slower time passes for them. Traveling at high speeds mimics this effect which = the twin paradox of faster than light travel. However, this type of gravity manipulation is not sufficient to alter your worldline.

The basic math to alter worldlines exists right now. Tipler first described a working "time machine" through his theory of massive rotating spheres. I apologize for the web site but it was the only one I could find quickly.

Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was one of the first to describe the dual event horizons of a rotating black hole. As with Tipler's cylinders, it was possible to travel on a "time-like" trip through a Kerr black hole and end up in a different worldline without being squished by the gravity of the singularity.

The mass and gravitational field of a microsingularity can then be manipulated by "injecting" electrons onto its surface. By rotating two electric microsigularities at high speed, it is possible to create and modify a local gravity sinusoid that replicates the affects of a Kerr black hole.

For those asking how come a microsingularity doesn't swallow the Earth or want to know details about the size, stability, mass, temperature and resulting Hawking radiation from such a thing, those details I must keep to myself.

Yes, you can travel into the future and it takes less energy than going into the past.

The computer system is connected to the unit through an electrical bus. There are actually three computers linked together that take the same signals from the gravity sensors and clocks. They use a Borda error correcting protocol that checks the integrity of the data and trips the VGL system.

I am not aware of any physical change to my DNA or "aura". I do however seem to be more susceptible to colds.

Yes, you will remember me if you want to. Worldlines do not change that way and I will only become an insignificant part of your history.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:41 PM

November 07, 2000 17:18

I would equate the "future" GE distortion units to their current jet engines. The first one worked great but they can always make it better. The C204 unit uses 4 cesium clocks. The C206 uses 6 cesium clocks but they use an optical system to check the oscillation frequency. This makes the worldline divergence confidence much higher.

November 07, 2000 21:23

Yes I believe in Jesus Christ and we pray to God in churches. There are some differences you may be interested in. Religion is a major part of people's life in 2036. Pain and change tend to bring people together and closer to God. However, religion is far more personal than it is now. There are no huge, centralized religions and people talk openly about their beliefs. It might also interest you to know that the day of worship is Saturday, the day God meant to be the Sabbath and the 10 commandments have been restored to the "10" that God gave us.

Life is much more rural in the future but "high" technology is used to communicate and travel. People raise a great deal of their own food and do more "farm" work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long hours. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of Florida. My closest friend raises horses and another works for a company that maintains "wireless" Internet nodes.

Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it's hard to pin down a "normal" day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited to "time travel" shortly after that. Again, I suppose an average day in 2036 is like an average day on the farm.

Yes, there is a post office. The Internet is still alive and well in the future. People spend more time talking because life is more centered on the community. I've noticed the same type of effect here when the power goes off. People tend to come out of their homes and actually spend time with their neighbors. There is a lot more personal trust and less paranoia.

When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the Gulf. Most of our neighbors make a living off the sea or in moving cargo by boat.

There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.

No new information there (on UFOs and aliens). I find that an interesting subject myself. Personally, I think "UFOs" might be time travelers with very sophisticated distortion units. But that might be a bit wacky.

One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the environment is affected with disease and radiation. We are making huge strides in getting it cleaned up. Water is produced on a community level and we do eat meat that we raise ourselves.

Yes, genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid seeds. What are people thinking?

I am a Christian Agnostic (Did John mean Gnostic?). I do not believe faith alone is enough to get us back to God. I'm not sure what happens when we die but I'm pretty sure it's not a walk in the park.

We are working on it (space travel).

What future technologies can we look forward to?

I hesitate to answer but I'll give a bit. Hydrogen fuel cells and more efficient solar cells are big deals. Computer technology and software get MUCH better.

My greatest joy is sailing. For fun, I enjoy swimming, playing cards, reading, playing games on the net and talking with people who live in other countries. As a community, we celebrate much more and have bon fires and dances. My hobby is sorting through old magazines and videos of life before the war.

After the war, early new communities gathered around the current Universities. That's where the libraries were. I went to school at Fort UF, which is now called the University of Florida. Not too much is different except the military is large part of people's life and we spend a great deal of time in the fields and farms at the "University" or Fort.

Most of my memories growing up are not fond. Life was very hard. Simple things make me happy like hugging my mother and father. Yes, we have cameras. More digital. Film is used like painting is today. No hologram camera though.

Yes we have phones but the service is through the web. Most power generation is localized. It amazes me how much power is wasted now. Yes, solar is big. There is thought that a singularity generator could also be used but most people are against it.

The elderly are highly revered and looked after on a community level. So are orphans. There is always something people can do now matter what. The idea of avoiding work is looked down on. Everyone pulls together to keep the COMMUNITY strong.

Hats are more common in the future and flashy colors are less common. Dress is much more functional and we "dress up" whenever we get a chance. I have noticed that no one in this time dresses for occasions even when they have the clothes. Why do people wear shorts to church?

We do not spend nearly the amount of time on our hair as people do now. Women like to wear their hair longer and men have it much shorter. Both sexes shave it all off when they're in active military service.

Far less medical treatment in the future even though It's more advanced. People die when they now its time to die. No lasers. Genetic medicine and cloning organs are the obvious new techs in the future.

The Constitution was changed after the war. We have 5 presidents that are voted in and out on different term periods. The vice president is the president of the senate and they are voted separately.

We have cars, just not a whole bunch of them. There is public transportation from city to city.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:42 PM

November 07, 2000 22:18

If I could bring some material thing back to your time from 2036, it would be a copy of the new US Constitution.

Yes, you could travel to a future that was 0.5 seconds ahead of now but not with my machine. The C204 uses the second as the basic unit of measure. The C206 may be capable of .05 sec.

If you arrived a fraction of a second in my past or future on another worldline would I ever know that you arrived?

No "you" would not. But the "you" on that worldline would.

It is believed there is some sort of measurable quantum differences in worldlines. I am not an expert on that so I can offer little information.

You would be welcome in my home.

November 08, 2000 22:27

Can you explain what the purpose of time travel is on your worldline?

In 2036, a great deal of effort is going into "repairing" our environment. I was sent to 1975 to get a computer system and take it back to 2036. Time travel is not a secret in 2036 and I expect it will become more common.

Why is time travel used?

Right now, its used to get information or "items" that would be helpful in getting a post WWIII world back to a normal condition. There are 7 other time travelers in my unit.

Where do time travelers the most?

Right now, most of our practical missions are from 1960 to 1980. There is a great deal of research into later and future periods but the farther you go, the lower the divergence confidence of the worldline.

You said there is more than one time machine. Are they all being used?

Yes.

What type of vehicle will you get to go back in since you sold the other car?

It's a 1987 4WD. The vehicle needs a strong suspension system to handle the weight of the distortion unit.

Are you able to take other people with you when traveling in time?

Yes.

November 11, 2000 18:46

If you change cars do you have to re-adjust the time machine?

Yes. But it's a function of the VGL system. A gravity baseline is taken and rechecked every time the unit is used. A new vehicle would alter the gravity signature.

What type of system is used to maintain the singularity?

I am not a physicist so I cannot answer that to your level of sophistication. The singularities are held in an enclosed magnetic field.

Can you dimensionally travel with the time machine?

No. However, the longer the unit is on past a safe divergence confidence, the "stranger" the worldline becomes. The unit I have is safe to about 1% for every sixty years at max power.

November 11, 2000 18:56

If your time machine is accurate to the second then you must have a reason for choosing the moment you arrive.

My goal was to reach a certain date and time which is converted into seconds for the computer to make its calculations. I do not pick the second. It's more important to have a low divergence confidence number.

Are you here now to observe the results of the presidential election?

I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?

November 11, 2000 19:07

If you're here to get a computer, why are you are posting on a message board? I think you're committing treason!

Why would it be treason?

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:56 PM

November 11, 2000 19:11

You're time machine travels at 10 years an hour? That would take you more than three hours? How can the air trapped in your vehicle last that long?

Yes, that's about right but my initial trip was to 1975, not 2000. I guess it's a question of how many technical details you really want or you feel I'm making up. We do take additional 02 and the air pocket is a bit larger than you might think.

November 12, 2000 16:41

Do you worry about anything happening to the people that help you here? What if someone tries to build a time machine based on what you've said?

Yes, I have considered it but it is very easy to remain hidden behind a veil of disbelief. The people who understand what they are seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds them entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only worldline of consequence is my own and I don't care what happens here. That however, is not the case. I have shown these documents in order that people might consider the possibility. I do not expect people to believe them.

What is the real reason you're posting these top-secret government documents?

The restricted nature of the documents I posted refers to the departmentalized nature of the technical information. The manual is supposed to remain with the unit. The current F-16 fighter jet probably has an operations manual. All the information in it is not secret but no one wants it to "walk" away from the plane.

Did your commander authorize you to post this information or is it something you did on your own?

I am here for personal reasons. For a few months now, I have bee trying to alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a civil war in the United States in 2005. Does that seem more likely now? Actually it's quite amazing to see what's happening. I have been trying to get people to pay attention for the last few months but to see it unfold is very interesting. Before I leave, I'll try and post my report.

I am curious… will anyone be upset if Florida's votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current "confusion"?

Have you thought about the possible outcomes of your actions?

Yes.

12 November 2000 16:41

Have you considered the dangers for someone who helps you here while you remain covert? What about the people that read the information and might attempt to build a time machine?

Yes, I have considered it but it is very easy to remain hidden behind a veil of disbelief. The people who understand what they are seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds them entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only worldline of consequence is my own and I don't care what happens here. That however, is not the case. I have shown these documents in order that people might consider the possibility. I do not expect people to believe them.

November 15, 2000 13:56

A broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

November 15, 2000 14:12

Your vehicle looks new.

Thanks. I sold it when I arrived here. It attracted a great deal of attention. Perhaps that's why it was still around in 2036.

You must be in the Army.

More or less correct.

Your commanders must have larger time machines they can use to come and find you.

Why would they come looking for me? I'm expected back but I will only have been gone a few seconds from their point of view.

You should probably know that our government will find you.

Stupidity and greed are fairly predictable for a period of time.

If you're telling the truth, the last thing you should be doing is talking about the war and the government.

Have you considered that your society might be better off if half of you were dead?

Why don't you tell us everything about the stock market and future before you go?

I'm thinking about it. I'm waiting for my family to buy up all the good stuff cheap first...(joke).

November 15, 2000 14:20

I want to believe you. In order for me to do that, I need a prediction that comes true right now.

I appreciate the position you are in but you must realize that I am not affected in the least if you believe me or not.

Tell me who wins the (upcoming sporting event).

Off the top of your head, can you tell me if it rained in Atlanta this time last year? Do you think time travelers carry a sports reference with them?

Tell me anything like that and I will believe you forever.

It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005.

November 15, 2000 14:33

Can anyone operate your time machine? Does it have a key? You would be welcome at my home.

The unit has two security systems to protect it from "most" people. One, it has a code that must be entered correctly. Second, and probably more effective now, the unit cannot be used by anyone who can't add and subtract.

November 15, 2000 14:41

Why did you go to 1975?

The first "leg" of my trip was from 2036 to 1975. After two VGL checks, the divergence was estimated at about 2.5% (from my 2036). I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038.

November 17, 2000 09:34

It is thought that being close to a gravitational field has a biological effect on all matter including cells. The effect is to slow the movement of electrons in the orbits of their nucleus, which slows the mechanical and biological functions of the observer close to the gravity. Thus the passing of time is a local phenomenon depending on how close you are to a gravitational source.

This is one example of a theory involving "time shells" progressing in size and intensity around a gravitational point from all matter. The more massive the object, the larger and more influential the time shells around it (like an onion). Another offshoot of this theory is that kinetic energy is actually the conversion of stored energy in the atom as it passes through time shells in a gravitational field.

November 20, 2000 17:16

You sold your car? How will you get back?

The unit is portable between vehicles. It is very heavy and requires a "stiff" suspension. The unit is currently in a 4WD.

How did you solve the normal problems of living in this time?

I am currently living with my parents on this worldline. They know exactly who I am and how I got here.

How did you get access to a scanner and computer?

There are numerous ways to do that. Any local printing shop allows you access to a computer system.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:58 PM

With all the things you could be doing here, why are you trying to find out about us on the Internet?

What suggestions do you have?

It seems like it would be hard to be from the future and fit in on this timeline.

You don't think you could blend into 1970? What difficulties would you expect to have that couldn't be overcome?

There are a lot of people here who think you are crazy.

I have nothing to sell nor do I want anyone to believe in me or take some action. What other people think of me does not affect me in the least.

If telling us about your time machine won't change anything, what would happen if someone built one based on your information?

What you do on your worldline is your own business. I can't think of any better way to start a war than for someone to figure out how to make a time machine. Go for it.

I'm not trying to ruin your reputation or credibility; I just want straight answers to my questions.

I will be happy to answer "almost" any question you have.

November 21, 2000 10:41

All of the questions asked have been answered in one way or another. You assume I am here to start a war?

Consider this: You are a time traveler who wishes to go back in time to 1941 because your grandparents live close to Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. You realize you can't stop the war but you may be able to help them prepare for it. Strangely, December 7th comes and goes with no sneak attack. As the war in Europe rages on, Japan fails to join the axis power, there is no war in the Pacific and the United States remains neutral. Then, you watch as Germany begins to develop the atomic bomb… all by themselves.

For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened?

As far as war goes, I have faith you are quite capable of starting one all by yourself. I am hard pressed to accept any criticism on my outlook on that subject. Growing up might have been a vastly different experience for me than it was for most of you. Personal responsibility, determination, honor, friendship and self-reliance are not just words we try to live up to or fantasize about.

On my worldline, life is not easy. We live in a world recovering from years of war, poison, destruction and hate. All of it, courtesy of the thinking and actions of people that live right now in the same world you do, worrying about which stocks to buy or whether or not a stranger is lying to them on the Internet.

I believe that hardship and challenge develop character and community. My first experience with war came when I joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of thirteen. In the 4 years I served as a "rebel", I watched hundreds of people get shot, burn and bleed to death. I know exactly where I was and every detail of the exact moment the first nuclear warheads began falling on Jacksonville. I know the pain and regret of not acting soon enough to enjoy a relationship as a loved one dies of brain cancer from a war that gained nothing.

How can you possibly criticize me for any conflict that comes to you? I watch every day what you are doing as a society. While you sit by and watch your Constitution being torn away from you, you willfully eat poisoned food, buy manufactured products no one needs and turn an uncaring eye away from millions of people suffering and dying all around you. Is this the "Universal Law" you subscribe to?

Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that.

November 21, 2000 21:31

There have been a great many questions piling up that I do plan to get to. If anyone sees a question I have answered before, please feel free to repeat the answer. I do not plan on leaving this worldline for a while yet. I very much enjoy spending time with my family.

November 22, 2000 20:58

The observation of time travelers "appearing" suddenly in a worldline does not happen very often. There are two cases and two points of view to consider.

In the first case, the time machine does not move as it goes from one worldline to another and then returns. The people watching on the original worldline would wave good-bye and watch as the machine is turned on. There would be a static discharge and the air would appear to "ripple" as if it were getting denser. Then, it would stop and the machine will have appeared to have disappeared. If the machine doesn't move its position from worldline to worldline, the observer would not see it disappear at all.

In the second case, if the machine were moved, it would disappear from the viewpoint of the observer and return in a different location based on where it was moved and turned on from the destination worldline. In that case, the rippling seems to dissolve the machine and it disappears. If that happens while you are watching it leave and you expect it to return, you know it was moved or had a serious malfunction.

It is actually quite dangerous to get too close to a distortion unit as it enters or leaves a worldline. It vents radiation and has a very strong localized gravity field. Personally, I worry about that a great deal.

It can be adjusted to some degree (the gravitational fields). The CG (center of gravity) is adjustable within about 4 feet and the unit is effective about 10 to 12 feet in either direction from there. The vertical distance is quite a bit shorter and is determined by sensors in the unit.

Depending on whether or not you are going forward or backward, the footprint of the unit is different. I wouldn't quite say it "scoops" up the ground cleanly. It sort of vibrates it loose and takes it along for the ride. It looks like someone raked the ground an inch or so deep with a small hand hoe or shovel. The negative ergosphere "scoops" up the front and back areas of the field. The positive ergosphere leaves a longer area near the center of mass. It's about a cubic foot of dirt spread out over six square feet or so.

If your device was inside a building and used, what would happen?

It might not be as destructive as you think. Depending on how close any object is to the field, it might not do any damage at all except for the floor.

What would happen if something touched the distortion field as it is turned on?

It would be quickly spread out over the lateral length of the gravity field. Imagine being squished and stretched at the same time. I would imagine anything left after that would be vaporized and generate static electricity.

What is the temperature around the time machine during operation?

Very! Hot. Depending on the power setting, 100 to 120 degrees is average.

What position is the car in when the time machine is being used?

The car is off and the brake on.

Has the time machine ever been used while it was moving?

Not that I'm aware of. Its important that it remain as still as possible so the gravity sensors can get a good lock. The divergence confidence would be way off if the vehicle were moving.

Do you wear a uniform?

I wear a standard civilian service uniform during instruction and training. It's sort of a cross between an army uniform and overalls. We do have a quartermaster who distributes clothing appropriate to where ever we are going.

There is a patch. It is round and has a graphic of a Kerr singularity (sort of looks like an eye with gravity waves around it) with two spiral paths running through its center. One path represents the "safe" way and the other is the path to God. The bottom of the patch has my unit number along with "Temporal Recon" printed on it. However, we remove any identification and patches before we go anywhere.

How long will you be on our worldline?

I'll be around for a while yet.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 05:59 PM

November 25, 2000 09:10

I must apologize for the poor quality of the information. There's a running inside joke about the technical issues. If the unit has a serious problem its not as if anyone can use those drawings to take the electron manifold off the singularity housing with a flat head screwdriver.

What is number seven in your drawing?

That sensor detects various parameters from the singularity.

Why can't we see the atomic clocks?

There is another page that depicts the computer and clock systems. That technology is not new and not very interesting.

There is a cut-a-way drawing of the entire unit that I will probably post before I leave.

November 25, 2000 13:57

UFOs are as much as a mystery to me as they are to you. Would you be surprised to know that there are a great many people who don't believe in time travel on my worldline?

I do believe UFOs are a real mystery but I also know that chaos theory dictates that no matter what technology or knowledge we have, there are always unknowns.

November 25, 2000 13:59

On my worldline, it is known that the 5100 series is capable of reading all the IBM code written before the widespread use of APL and Basic. Unfortunately, there are none left that anyone can find on my worldline.

November 25, 2000 14:01

It is quite difficult to get used to some of the communication patterns I have come across here. Confusing conversational conflict for anger seems to be a common and typical problem. Why does the expression of differing emotion seem to threaten so many people? I do not feel accused nor was I trying to accuse anyone. Your opinions are as valid as anyone's and I do not suggest you change them because of anything I say. I never said I was here to start a war although I have strong opinions about what a war would do for you. I am not aggravated by words.

Imagine you are Jewish and you are able to travel back in time to Germany in 1935. All around you are the patterns of thinking and action that will lead to a great deal of harm, death and destruction in just a few years. You have the advantage of knowing what will come but no one will listen to you. In fact, they think you're insane and the situations you describe could never happen.

What I feel is not anger, it is sadness that you cannot see what I see.

November 25, 2000 14:03

I appreciate your offer for help but I am quite all right. The responsibility for the "disaster" is your own but I do not consider it a disaster. Rebirth is often painful. My worldline is not unified under a single government but I would say it is closer to a unified purpose. Isn't that what you want anyway?

No, I do not have the ability to make calculations that would affect worldlines to my advantage. Besides the fact that manipulating people for personal gain is wrong, I am of the belief that it is best to make the worldline you are on now better.

I like the incredible freedom you have on this worldline but I see it as a trap and I fear the cost is the loss of your sense of connection with family and community. Yes, you can self actualize your ambitions but at what cost to the people around you, or yet to be born? The incredible availability of art, literature and limitless resources is hardly taken advantage of as I imagine the number of people sitting in front of their TVs.

No, I have not tried any fast food. Thinking about where the food came from, how it was shipped and treated absolutely terrifies me. I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be "catching on" in Europe.

Technologies themselves are not lost but some of the older tools and techniques have been lost. I think there is more detailed information about the war posted earlier. The energy stored in the singularity is used to create the distortion fields. That energy is created in a particle accelerator. I'm not sure what you mean by "temporal turbulence". What effect would that have that would need to be overcome?

When I leave, I will return to 2036. The computer I have is expected there. I am unaware of any "true" interdimensional device available on this worldline now. I would image the effects of such a device would be hard to hide.

My "ship" is not broken. I am here by choice. Don't you find current events interesting? Again, I'm not sure I understand your last question. Perhaps we should agree to the definitions of a few terms and basic physics before I try to answer that.

Can you tell us the foods that are unsafe now? Is there anything we can do to prepare for the war you are describing?

I tried to consolidate your questions into a basic list. I hope this helps.

1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return.

What event started the war? Can it be stopped?

The war is a result of faulty politics and desperation from Western
leadership during the US civil war. Yes, I suppose you could stop it.

Are some areas of the United States safer than others?

Take a close look at the county-by-county voting map from the last
elections.

Were biological or chemical weapons used in the war? Were any weapons used that effected people's minds?

Yes there were biological and chemical weapons used. No mind control weapons but there are new "non-lethal" weapon systems that turn out to be quite lethal.

Has cancer or AIDS been cured yet?

Aids, no. Cancer, some progress.

What would you say to any world leaders who might be reading this right now?

Revel in your confidence today because you will not win tomorrow.

What is the one thing you would want us to remember?

Please, please wake up. Look at the signposts around you now.

Earlier you spoke about the patch you wear on your uniform. You said the spirals represented two paths. One was safe and the other lead to God. What does that mean?

The safe way is the one calculated to take you in time where you want to go, the other path will take you to God (death). Both are equally accepted and anticipated before each trip.

end 02B

gormworm

11-17-2004, 08:32 PM

December 06, 2000 21:36

What is music like in 2036?

Most of the same music you enjoy is available on archive. However the days of mega-stars playing multiple track studio produced music and lip-synching on a huge stage are pretty much isolated to your time period. Like everything else, music is much less centralized. The general trend is away from "computer generated" music and more toward real people playing real instruments. Music is much more of a personal experience. More people know how to read music and play together in small groups.

What are the social prejudices in 2036?

Yes there are. However, as odd as it may sound, it serves a useful purpose in my time. First, you must realize that your experiences with "prejudice" and mine are different. I would characterize the intolerance you have here as a result of ignorance and fear. I have observed that people with unfounded and irrational fears about their fellow man in this time have the luxury of not having their beliefs tested.

After the war, much of the prejudice you have now was swept away by simple necessity. People had to work and fight together just to survive. This has a way of opening a person's eyes as to the value of fellow human beings.

What difference does the color of a man's skin make when you are both fighting against the same enemy to survive or find water or grow food? On my worldline, if a man doesn't pull his weight in the community, then we feel prejudice towards him as a burden to us. This feeling of shame he experiences then makes him realize his responsibilities.

What is the health care like in 2036?

You would probably not like it at all. I would compare it to what you see in Western movies. We do have hospitals but there are more family doctors and house calls as compared to what you are used to. There is no real organized health care. If you get a serious disease, you die. This however has had a tendency to strengthen the general genetic pool. Doctors are more concerned about things like broken legs, snakebites and delivering healthy babies.

What is the entertainment industry like in 2036?

Again, entertainment is less centralized. There are "movies" and "TV" but everything is distributed over the net and more people produce their own "shows".

What's it like to start from nothing and work your way up in 2036?

Very easy. If you can work with your hands and get along with other people, you will always find work.

Could you travel in time to escape your original worldline? Would you be looked down on for that?

From a physical standpoint, I suppose that would work if you were trying to escape a natural disaster. But you must consider that trying to "escape" by time traveling has it's own problems. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by being looked down on.

Is there some sort of new world government in place by 2011?

On my worldline in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.

Earlier you said something was wrong with the UNIX computer code on your worldline. What's wrong with it?

Yes…and with yours too. I have to believe there must be a UNIX expert out there someplace that can confirm that. I'm not exactly sure what the technical issue is but I believe some sort of UNIX system registry stops in 2038.

Does the continuing conflict between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the upcoming war?

Yes.

When you first started posting online, did anyone believe you?

I don't know if anyone believes me now. But you must realize that I don't expect anyone to believe me or does it affect me one way or the other. I enjoy these conversations too. What would you expect a time traveler to say or do in your time?

How does the singularity stay cool in your time machine?

Very highly technical, cooling stuff. [sorry, I don't get much of a chance to be a wise guy]

How far have computers and software progressed in 2036?

Good question! I would say the biggest difference is in the reliability of the hardware and software. It absolutely amazes me how willing people are here to accept computer and software failures on such a regular basis. I was very surprised to see how prolific it is. You can look forward to very stringent manufacturing parameters and programming discipline. Think back to the early days of the computer and how much work and cleverness it took to fit those programs into such small areas of memory. Has more and cheaper memory brought better programs or just more programs?

As far as technical specifics, I'm afraid I cannot go into too much detail. However, I will tell you that processor speed and memory size take dramatic leaps forward.

The question involved very complicated physics with magnetic fields, faster than light travel and tachyons.

Hmmm… I afraid my notebook on Maxwell's equations isn't with me and I must say again that I am not a physicist. As far as tachyons goes, it's my understanding that they cannot exist at all unless they are created and "traveling" faster than light. As far as time travel goes, I'm afraid tachyons are merely useful for describing various quirky effects of strange matter.

I will post again as soon as I get a chance.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 08:33 PM

December 10, 2000 11:00

I will try to answer all of your questions however; I have noticed that there seems to be a difficulty in entering a conversation in the middle. Most of the following questions I have answered at length in previous posts. I understand how important it is to have these answers when new people read portions of the posting but I find it tiring to keep repeating myself. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Who won the Super Bowl in 2001?

I do not answer questions like this. Although I don't really know the motivation for the question…I can guess. If a time traveler had knowledge of your future, and you could only ask one question, would this be it? Besides, can you tell me if it rained in New York on June 4th 1932? You are from their future so should you know that?

The question involved how the time machine could travel to Earth in the future or past since the position of the planet would change in space. The question also asked about life support during travel and how physical structures are avoided.

This is actually a very good question that parts and pieces of the answer are scattered around in previous postings. I am often surprised that it is not the first one asked. You are correct; this problem is actually the most difficult part of time travel. Although some of your assumptions about matter displacement are a bit off, the problem is real. Inside the displacement unit are a series of very sensitive clocks and gravity sensors. This system is called the VGL (variable gravity lock). In simple terms, before the unit "leaves" a worldline, it takes a base reading of the local gravity and adjusts the Tipler sinusoid to "lock" into that position. Although the temporal physics of this statement are wrong, in effect, it holds you to the "Earth". During travel, it periodically checks to see that the field has not varied. If it does, it stops and reverses course or drops out at that point. Buildings and other terrain features are avoided in the same way. Yes, we do bring oxygen in the vehicle with us but we do not lose atmospheric pressure.

If the time machine was used for a split second and then returned, wouldn't it appear someplace in far off space as the Earth continued in space?

Please see VGL system above. Also, please be aware that from the viewpoint of the time traveler, the displacement unit actually left and then returned. The viewer does not experience this. Think of it as a Gosub statement in a computer program.

December 10, 2000 11:32

What type of money do you use in 2036?

Its not very different than it is now. Yes, we have money and credit cards. However, like everything else, the monetary system is decentralized. Banking is based mostly around the community structure. There are no multinational banking or computerized economic systems. There are also no income taxes.

Are radio location systems still used on livestock?

Some of the larger farm communities use electronic markers and fences. I am not a farmer so I don't have very many details about that.

Is the GPS system still in use in 2036?

Oh yes! In fact, the unit I have with me works here. I'm not sure why that surprises me. There are also a great many communications and Internet satellite systems.

Do you still have an American flag? What does it look like in 2036?

Yes, we still have the flag. There is a debate about changing it from 50 stars to 5.

Do any of the states have new names?

Not that I can think of... No major cities anyway. I am aware that some
smaller towns changed their names after the war and most universities have the word "fort" before them on my worldline.

How much training is required before you can time travel? Can you make any repairs to your time machine?

I started training on the recommendation of my PS officer when I got out of school in 34. I graduated in March of 35. Actual hands on training started soon after that and I left 2036 in April. No, there are not very many repairs I can make to the unit. The unit is built very well but the tolerances are very small. I could probably repair the electrical systems and it will accept inputs from older computers.

Is it still safe to fish in 2036?

Yes, we can fish. There are some areas that are still too dangerous to
spend a lot of time in so we can't fish in those areas.

Have any time travelers entered your worldline in 2036?

No I am not aware. But I accept the possibility.

Is there public transportation in 2036?

A high-speed train system connects the larger cities. Roads are still used for cars and many people ride horses and bikes.

What items will you take back with you to 2036?

Books! I'm also taking copies of family photos that were lost during the war.

How long have you been on our worldline?

That I must keep to myself right now.

What music and books do you enjoy? Do you play an instrument?

I read a great deal of history. I like piano classics and some older rock and roll. (why did that type of music go so far down hill?) No, I don't play any instruments myself.

Don't you worry about our government finding you?

Not really. In order to find me, they would have to believe time travel is possible.

Are you taking pictures and video?

Oh yes.

What is your favorite food?

It's very hard for me to find food here. It all scares the Hell out of me. I've found a couple of local farms where I am reasonably sure the raw food is safe and my mother started a garden for me.

Do medical advances in 2036 have anything to do with genetics?

Again, I'm no expert. I believe there is a great deal of progress in
treating the cancer cells with modified viruses. So I guess the answer is yes.

The question involved details on natural disasters and temperatures in 2036.

That's one area I've decided not to talk about, sorry. The average temperature worldwide is a bit cooler.

Are any other time travelers from 2036 with you now?

No. They are off doing something else I'm sure.

Is time travel discussed on the web in 2036? Do you recognize any web sites now from the future?

Time travel is a major point of social discussion. I'll have to check when I get back. Most of the larger servers that were in the major cities were lost or destroyed. I'll try to bring a copy back with me. Perhaps you can check that in your 2036.

Is there any connection between you and the John Titor that was here on this worldline before you? What do your parents tell him about you?

He calls me uncle. Yes, there is a connection. He feels like a younger
brother. Sometimes I get mixed emotions watching him and realize I'm
watching the origins of my personality. I tend to playfully criticize my father about that.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 08:34 PM

December 13, 2000 12:44

Well…it looks like the election is almost over. I have been quite busy in the last few days and I appreciate everyone's patience. I should be thanking you for listening and even if everything I have said before means nothing, I expect it has at least been entertaining. I went through the postings looking for questions I have not addressed yet. I hope I got to all of them. I get my email remotely through about three different systems and I use one of your hand-held computer units to write with. In a few days, I would like to send Pamela a list of questions of my own. As you know, one of my areas of expertise is in history and the information I have gathered has been invaluable. Although I am not leaving right away, I would like to include some of your thoughts in my report.

Isn't it possible someone who reads this may invent time traveler? When John leaves, no one will remember him and this will all be forgotten.

This statement is quite insightful. One of the reasons I have been communicating this way is so that others that do not post who I have directed here can see some of the information I have shared with you.

Won't even a small divergence between worldliness cause everything to look different to you as compared to your worldline?

The divergence measurement refers to the local gravitational field as compared to the point of origin. It is merely an empirical indicator of overall change in a worldline. Some things that are quite different on one worldline have very little effect as time passes and the worldlines appear to "converge" again and look very similar. Worldline changes are not exponential; they act more like chaotic attractors with varying effect depending on their size and location.

If multiple world theory is correct and there are two of you here, one of you has to be the real one. Also, I find it unsettling that you look at us as representative of the people from your past. One reason I think you may be a time traveler is because I don't understand or relate to your thinking at all.

You are correct in your thinking. This worldline is not mine but it looks very similar. It may be compared to reading two books that are the same. I can jump back and forth between them and still see the same story. I do not consider you true representatives of my worldline but I do know something of how the story ends. In consideration of Everret-Wheeler, the reason we don't know if Schrödinger's cat is dead is because it might have had a time machine.

I think Russia is still very likely to attack the United States with nuclear weapons. It's hard to imagine being here to see it.

You are also correct but I want to add a twist to your thinking. Russia's enemy in the United States is not you, the average person. Russia's enemy is the United States government.

If this worldline is 2 percent divergent from your worldline, how do you get home? If you go forward from here to 2036, won't the divergence approach infinity?

Yes, this is true. If I go forward on this worldline, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.

Your deductions are quite accurate. Its possible to go forward to "your" 2036 and it would look nothing like mine.

I have a working IBM 5160 computer. Maybe I should stash it away for thirty years and see what happens.

Toss it. The 5100 is the interesting machine.

Does the current relationship between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war?

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

What can you tell us about (Obscure Physics Question)?

Perhaps you could describe what you mean? It appears to be space travel or the effect of similar atomic particles that seem to be related over great distances. Again, please forgive my ignorance; I am not a trained physicist.

Does anything happen in the year 2012? I've heard stories about the world ending.

In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?

The question lists a number of paranormal conspiracy theories and then asks about weather control in the year 2036.

I must admit I am unfamiliar with most of what you have asked here. I am aware of the Harp system but I don't know how they would control weather with it.

Please describe any details you can about the education system in 2036.

The education system has been through many changes. School in 2036 is no longer a political indoctrination system and students "learn how to learn". Since community activity varies from place to place, the emphasis on basic reading, math and language is augmented with skills particular to the community. One school may emphasis farming while another teaches woodworking. Having children is a bit different and less common in 2036. A typical school day involves a setting very much like it was 100 years ago with smaller classes and few administrators to teachers. Other areas of study that are less common now are history, citizenship and personal economics.

end 03A

gormworm

11-17-2004, 08:44 PM

Are you going to take your family away with you to protect them from coming events? Are you worried about somebody finding your time machine?

No I am not taking them with me but I am trying to prepare them for the future as a promise to my Grandfather in 1975. I am not really that concerned about the "time machine". It is quite safe.

How and why do the Arabs Jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A?

They are not directly involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005.

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?

Not against America but they are used against each other.

If you could post a picture of money used in the future, that would be more impressive than your time machine pictures.

I am disappointed that you feel I am trying to impress you. Why would I bring money from 2036 with me? Besides, isn't that something that could easily be faked? Now if I told you I was your cousin's brother and I knew about that scare on your left leg…that would convince you.

Before you leave, you could videotape your departure and get it to us?

That is an interesting idea. I will look into how to do that.

1. According to the Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and why?

2. Do you think the Electoral College should be continued?

3. Why do you think the Bill of Rights was written?

4. What is your opinion of the second amendment to the Bill of Rights?

5. Does anyone know what industry is the largest US political contributor?

6. Does anyone know who owns the majority of the solar power research and development companies?

7. Imagine you have all the money and power you desire. What do you see yourself doing?

8. What is the longest distance you ever ran and/or walked at one time without stopping?

9. What is the longest period of time you went without food?

10. Do you know what Cholera is and how to avoid getting it?

December 21, 2000 10:59

Very interesting argument but I have a couple of questions. You described the word paradox as, "…it refers to the "idea" of the existence of a problem that has no solution." Actually, the #1 definition I read in the American Heritage Dictionary is "…a seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true",

Also, what exactly is your definition of "time travel"? I was taught that time travel is strictly a local observation that can only be measured by the experience of an individual or single particle. Under that definition, the "twin paradox" (time dilation due to acceleration or gravity) and even sleeping can be considered time travel. You appear to be arguing against dematerialization and/or space-like trips under the limits of special relativity in a single worldline.

I do agree that the "grandfather paradox" is not possible simply because the classic problem is presented as an observer's issue magnified to a universal issue. Your statements about observation are correct when you isolate the experiences to a single worldline.

However, the reason there are no paradoxes is because the universe doesn't care how we react to its handy-work. In a Universe made up of infinite worldliness (super universe), everything is possible and has a 100% probability, therefore…no paradoxes.

Where do you think all the water came from in the great flood stories?

I believe the explanation for the "great flood" stories originate with the changes that occurred near the Mediterranean at the end of the last ice age. Even on this worldline, there is a great deal of evidence to support the fact that sea levels did change radically in isolated areas worldwide.

I also heard someplace that if the ice mass on Antarctica melted today, sea level worldwide would rise about 100 feet. I'm not exactly sure that's true but still… Mt. Everest might be a bit of a stretch.

I do however agree with you that there are no physical paradoxes but for the opposite reasoning.

Peace to you also.

30 December 2000 11:47

Greetings and happy holidays everyone. I am very surprised and delighted to see the conversation going in the direction it has on this thread. Unknowingly, you all have stepped into the real mystery of time travel that remains speculative in 2036.

Based on a couple of questions I see here, I will try my hardest to describe what we in 2036 think space-time looks like and how it behaves. Please keep in mind that I realize how easy it is to dismiss what I say. First, I'm trying to do this from memory. Imagine you are back in 1911 trying to explain a jet engine to the Wright brothers.

However, there are some very basic properties of quantum theory that support this model today. I appreciate the fact that you are reading this with an open mind.

If parallel universes do exist, did they all start simultaneously?

It is thought that the event called the "Big Bang" was the start of not only this worldline or universe but all worldlines and all universes that make up the super universe. It is also thought that the super universe can be imagined as an expanding sphere with the big bang in the center. Individual worldliness (or timelines as you call them) can be imagined as lines originating at the center and "trending" toward spiraling around the sphere until they reach the edge.

The individual worldlines expand in length and widen as you follow them from the center. Each individual "moment" or "event" on a worldline has infinite possibilities or outcomes. Imagine this as a single point with infinite lines shooting away from it, which in turn, are made up of points with their own possibilities and outcomes.

Now, remember, these individual worldliness with all these points and possibilities are defined by their ability to hold there inhabitants to time-like trips only (no faster than light travel).

Now consider the reality of a spinning or electrified black hole (Kerr). Penrose diagrams of these oddities show mathematically that you can make simulated space-like trips (faster than light) through the singularity without being destroyed.

In order to do this without wiping out most modern physical laws, you must travel to an alternate worldline or universe. Therefore, if multiple worldlines exist, infinite worldlines exist.

In trying to imagine a super universe with infinite possibilities and worldlines, I think of a room with mirrors on all the walls. You are aware of your captivity but as you look in the distance, you see an infinite number of "yours" in an infinite number of mirrored rooms.

The gravity distortion machine allows you to "step" out of your room and into another next to you. The closer you are to your original room, the closer it looks like yours, the farther away, the stranger it looks to you.

gormworm

11-17-2004, 08:46 PM

If I go forward on this worldline, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.

A few people have asked me about this statement so I will try to clarify it.

On my worldline: (A) in 2036, I was given a mission in 1975. I turn my machine on and jump to another worldline (B) in 1975 with about a 2% divergence from (A).

From the very point I turn my machine off on (B), I create a new worldline just because I'm there. This line can be described as (C) and started when I got to (B).

I am now doing my mission on line (C) in 1975 when I discover a very a good reason to go forward on (C) and see what happened. I turn my machine on and go forward on (C) to the year 2000.

When I turn it off, I start another line called (D). So from my perspective, here we are on line (D) in the year 2000. In order to go home to line (A) I must turn my machine on and go back on (D) until I reach (C) which in turn would take me back to (B) which in turn takes me to a point before I arrived on (B) then I go forward from the point I arrived on (B) back to (A).

If all this isn't enough to get your head spinning…here are some issues we're dealing with in 2036.

1. Did your worldline (D) exist at all before I got here from (C)? (personally I don't see how it couldn't)

2. What happens at the end of a worldline at the edge of the super universe?

3. If there are infinite worldlines and infinite possibilities and an edge to the super universe, doesn't that mean occurring events on worldliness are staggered as they reach the edge? (time could end at any moment without warning).

Happy New Year everyone!

December 30, 2000 10:28

I think you're taunting us with our ignorance on the questions you've asked on the Constitution.

It would be nice to be able to remind everyone about their rights and responsibilities but I am not here to judge you. I am not capable of that nor would I want that in return. As you know, my interest is in history and in the paradox of thought. I do however, find it interesting how important the Constitution became to the average US citizen's life, if even for a short moment.

Young people should look forward to the future while older people don't see many days ahead of them. I think it's pointless for you to ask us to worry about politics if we are all doomed.

It saddens me that you do not realize your true worth as a keeper of information and experience. Perhaps the end that we fear will open your eyes to your true value as an individual. Young people need wisdom. The captain of the ship knows where the lifeboats are.

There are numerous experiments going on at CERN. In order for them to make a black hole they would have to travel faster than light.

I'm pretty sure they have a number of experiments going on at the same time at CERN. The one I'm referring to involves very high energies using protons. From my historical perspective on my worldline, I do recall the issue was a point of contention about 18 months ago or so.

There were some scientists who thought the experiments were too dangerous to try. The time travel I refer to does not require faster than light travel and due to multiple world "reality", paradoxes do not occur. Natural time machines do exist.

30 December 2000 13:17

I fear our conversation is in danger of turning (to conflict) due to an effect that is quite common on these boards. I realize what I'm saying is quite hard to swallow and it causes debate, weather serious or entertaining. It is even more difficult when you come into the middle of a conversation or a series of questions that are a few weeks old.

Your points are all quite valid and I have discussed them at length on this and other boards for quite a while. I do not wish to antagonize you however, we both know the Tippler cylinder is only a thought experiment to explain the very real physics behind Kerr black holes. As to your other comments, again, they are all true as defined by the limits of space-like trips on single worldlines. It does not account for travel between worldlines.

I have never claimed to be a physicist or an expert on what the CERN laboratory is doing at any given moment so I feel it is pointless to argue about what they may be doing in the future or what "breakthroughs" they will or might have. My comments about the CERN lab are in reference to particle accelerators in general and other questions that have come up in the past. The major physics break through for controlled gravity distortion does happen at CERN in your future. Heck, we haven't even touched on "Z" field compression yet.

I suppose I could say that I was the one that traveled in time and convinced them to change their experiments but even I would have a hard time believing that one and I do not wish to insult your intelligence.

30 December 2000 13:37

Thank you for trying to answer those questions (from 30 December 2000 11:47) but I really do not expect that anyone can. I thought I would share with you things we wonder about. Your logic about me is quite correct but again I must state that I am not trying to get you or anyone else to believe or buy anything.

As far as evidence goes, I have however decided to try an experiment with you that may be more convincing. It involves the travel of information at faster than light. In fact, I have dropped at least three little gems like this that no one else has picked up on.

You said you are confused by the 5100 story. I will explain further. In 2036, it was discovered (or at least known after testing) that the 5100 computer was capable of reading and changing all of the legacy code written by IBM before the release of that system and still be able to create new code in APL and basic.

That is the reason we need it in 2036. However, IBM never published that information because it would have probably destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s. In fact, I would bet the engineers were probably told to keep their mouth's shut.

Therefore, if I were not here now telling you this, that information would not be discovered for another 36 years. Yet, I would bet there is someone out there who can do the research and discover I am telling the truth. There must be an old IBM engineer out there someplace that worked on the 5100. They just might not have ever asked if I hadn't pointed it out.

30 December 2000 23:26

I apologize for wasting this much space but I thought some of you would be interested in seeing this after reading some of things I've been saying in the last few months. Below is the address to the news site and a copy of the text.

(web link not valid. Story on CIA and 2015)

31 December 2000 12:43

I'm flattered and a bit overwhelmed. I can honestly say I've never quite had this experience before. I appreciate the news posting. Thank you.

(referring to news story on John Titor)

31 December 2000 11:00

Well, you're getting closer people. Here's another one I found today. Again, I apologize for taking up this much space but I thought you'd want to see this.

end 03B

Captain Beyond

11-17-2004, 09:57 PM

Worm,if I could ,I would order everyone to give you a group hug,if nothing else,just for your tenasity and dedication!! :D :D :D

gormworm

11-18-2004, 12:48 AM

Thanks, CB.

The Titor material always seems to attract lots of guests to MBs.
Other time travelers, perhaps? :)

gormworm

11-18-2004, 11:04 PM

03 January 2001 13:47

I've been reading the last few postings with a bit of confusion. I see there is controversy over my "story" that is causing some people to ask themselves if they believe it or not. For quite a while, I have been stating that not only do I not expect anyone to believe me, it's irrelevant and in my opinion, quite dangerous. Belief implies that you accept what I say as true and real. Over the Internet, this is impossible. In fact, I have stated before, there are many people in 2036 who do not believe in time travel.

I also think that unwavering belief is dangerous. One very disturbing thing I have noticed about your society in general is your blind acceptance of what you are told. Do you really think the news industry doesn't have an agenda? Do you really think those hamburgers you stuff into your body are safe? Do you really think your government is telling you the truth? What proof do you have of any of that?

What I do want you to do is open your eyes to the events that happening around you that have nothing to do with me. Some of you have been reading for a while now about the war in 2015 and the breakthroughs in particle physics that would be coming soon. Doesn't the CIA report on 2015 and news on the z-field compression at least support what I've been saying a little bit?

I just saw another story today about the Russians moving Nukes into the Balkans to thwart any future expansion by NATO. I also haven't heard anyone take me up on my "information experiment" on the IBM 5100 or check out the information I've given you about the UNIX failure in 2038. With all due respect, I find it hard to take some of you seriously.

05 January 2001 13:46

In 2036, community life is a bit different. People are valued and judged based on their contribution and worth. Work is organized around the family and the value of that work is assessed inside of the community. Most communities range in size from 1000 to 4000 people. If a family wanted to move from one community to another or if a son or daughter wanted to move to another community, they must apply and be interviewed by the community leadership council. During this process, the family or individual is evaluated as to whether or not the work or skill they have is required or necessary to that individual community. Once accepted, the family or individual is expected to uphold their end of the work and support the community. If they don't, the community stops supporting them and they are forced to change their attitude or move away from the community.

The family work we did was picking, sorting and shipping oranges by sailboat up and down the coast of Florida. We were expected to produce a certain amount for the community and a certain amount for other communities as agreed to by our CLC. In exchange, we received power, water, a certain amount of food and other necessities that were produced inside our community.

I see this message board as a small community and I have no other way to value the contributions of others on it other than what my past experiences tell me. I have tried to answer as many questions as I can without being annoying, repetitive or inappropriate, and for some of you, entertaining. Under these conditions, I have decided to seek guidance from all of you, the other members of this community, as to whether or not my postings are of any value to the direction of these discussions. If they are getting distracting or repetitive, I will stop and continue to enjoy reading your thoughts and ideas.

Who receives the Nobel Prize for time travel? Since you claim no two worldlines are the same, this information could not hurt anything.

There are a great many people involved with the discovery of time travel. Just as I will not give "stock tips", I will not divulge their names as that may impact their lives now.

What would happen if you gave us technical information that's discovered in a year or so?

If I had any and I published them, I'm sure they may have a large impact. Unfortunately, I don't have any with me. Even if I did, I'm sure they would be scrutinized. Again we get back to the same question. If you were a time traveler, what would you do to establish your credibility?

Have any other time travelers visited your future in 2036?

No, I am not aware of time travelers visiting my worldline in 2036. However, that does not mean it can't or isn't happening. Also, the possible number of worldlines a time traveler might arrive at would place the chances of them hitting any particular one at very long odds.

What happens to (name of person asking question)? Am I involved in Time Travel? What of the (armed) resistance?

I have no idea what happens to you in your future. There was a resistance on my worldline but their goal was to maintain power and control over other people. We killed most of them by 2020.

How big is the IBM 5100?

I would say its about 20" long, 10" high and 30" long.

Timetravel-0 and I are not getting along.

I'm not aware we had a falling out. I apologize if you think that's the case.

Are there still books in 2036?

Yes, books are still published.

Are there restrictions to what you can do with the time machine?

The displacement machine is not mine but I am free to make certain decisions based on the experiences and information I gather from each worldline. I am expected back but from their perspective, I will only have been gone for a split second.

06 January 2001 13:10

What is the progress on string theory?

Who doesn't love string theory? Please forgive the next few comments, I'm trying to be cryptic and jump starting my memory at the same time. In 2036, string theory still dominates physics due to its continued "effect" of encompassing other physical properties from unrelated fields.

A great deal of the theoretical mathematics behind time travel was discovered by testing various ideas in string theory and eliminating the anomalies. As I recall, it was this original work that led to the final proof that six dimensions do indeed curl up to give us our observable universe. This in turn supported more of the theoretical math behind time travel.

It's ironic that the beauty of string theory gives future engineers the confidence to create the distortion unit even though the final proof is still unknown. You're a physics student, have you ever heard the Princeton String Quartet play?

09 January 2001 09:28

Why don't you give us more detailed information about the future so we won't be so skeptical?

I think skepticism is a good thing and no one should lose it.

Why don't you accept my challenge? What harm could it do?

I'm not sure what "challenge" you are referring to. If you mean the live chat, I have no problem with that. I do that quite often on other boards. However, I fear I have very few bread and circuses left and I fear I am becoming quite boring. Also, I'm not sure I fully understand the nature of the challenge.

You could still give us details about the future that wouldn't harm anyone and still add to your credibility.

Again, I do not seek to add to my credibility. There is no point to it. Actually, by providing information that was useful, I would be adding to your collective fear that I am real. In that case, this cycle we are in concerning "truth" only spirals and gets worse.

Why can't you name the five presidents you have in your time?

Over the past few postings, I have tried to describe the limits of what I will talk about and why. Here is a short recap list. In future postings, I will place the following number next to each question as to why I will not discuss it.

1. I will not disclose any information that will cause someone to personally gain by its knowledge. This means no stock or sports tips.

2. I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone to avoid death by probability. This means no earthquake or bombing information.

3. I will not disclose any information that may compromise any future actions by individual people or threaten their family and well-being.

On my worldline, we are no longer afraid of the "NWO". Are you afraid of Nazis?

The reason the job of President was split into an office of 5 has 4 main reasons. With 5 (presidents), foreign policy is more consistent, power shifting between parties has less of an impact on the overall government, individual strengths between presidents add to the strength of the overall office, and one president is elected for each major area in the United States.

What is the extent of Presidential power in 2036?

The office of President is far more diluted and decentralized than it is here. The powers of the national government are more defined and reside more at the county and state level.

What is the new government like in 2036 compared to the current one?

I think the new government is good. However, since the concept of nationally subsidized welfare is gone, most people here may not appreciate it.

Where is the new US capitol?

The new US capitol is in Omaha Nebraska.

How do the 5 presidents take power?

The voting for individual candidates is on a rotating schedule.

What are the other time traveler's destinations, and missions?

I am not aware of the details of other missions. Of the seven, three had already left before I did. I suspect they are on similar missions.

Are any other time travelers on our current worldline?

No, the chances of that are very slim.

Are you in contact with other time travelers?

No, although I would suspect that is not impossible I have no idea how you would do that.

Is it possible to send a message through time?

Unless the information physically travels with the person; none that I'm aware of.

09 January 2001 12:24

I apologize for being unable to respond faster. I looked back and couldn't find any questions but I may be mistaken.

I also see that you seem to have a great deal of anger directed at me. If you knew where I was and how to get the distortion unit, what would you do? What judgment and punishment should be passed upon me?

On this and many other discussion boards are people who are genuinely interested in and hoping to experience or discover time travel. What punishment would you apply to them if the succeed? I see that you too have had time travel experience. What punishment do you deserve?

When time travel was discovered, there were many people who were against its development. However, once the true nature of time was realized, the resistance faded. Even if one worldline was able to ban, kill and stop all time travel, it will continue on another.

However, the corollary is also true. Take heart, on some worldline, you have succeeded and all time travelers are dead by the hand of your followers and thinking or talking about it is a crime.

Perhaps we should all agree what we mean when we use the phrase "time travel". We are all moving forward in time just by existing and the effects of acceleration and gravity do "slow" time down for the observer so the rest of the world seems to speed up around them.

If we call this natural time travel (time-like trips on a single worldline) then perhaps its really controlled time travel that you are after (space-like trips on a single worldline or traveling to alternate worldlines).

January 10, 2001

With that, it may then be useful to separate the concept of controlled time travel into theory and practice. In theory, time travel was taken seriously by mainstream science when it discovered that Einstein's equations do indeed support the possibility of controlled time travel under special relativity. Since special relativity (under its current limitations) has been proved useful and accurate in predicting other physical phenomena, it is widely believed that controlled time travel is also possible.
Nearly all of the solutions that allow time travel in special relativity also have the annoying problem of crushing the time traveler in a wake of radiation and gravity.
In my experience, there is only one safe way to obtain controlled time travel and that involves the "safe" properties of a Kerr singularity (black hole). However, I do not discount the possibility of other methods either physical or metaphysical. I'm just not sure I would bet my life on them without any math to back them up.

10 January 2001 01:13

E(8) x E(8)?

10 January 2001 23:10

You mentioned a divergence percentage between time lines. How is it possible to measure divergence?

The measurement for worldline divergence is an observation variable isolated to the distortion unit. An effective analogy would be a "gravity radar". The unit's sensors take a "snapshot" of the local gravity around the unit before a flight. During travel, this baseline is periodically checked to make sure there are no major changes in the environment that would cause a catastrophic mass failure (brick wall appearing from nowhere). The percentage of VGL divergence from one worldline to another is a calculated guess by the three computers that control the unit based on its starting point. It is useless in describing characteristics of individual worldlines.

There is a bit of folklore about the first distortion driver who reaches a destination with a zero divergence. This would mean they had traveled on a space-like trip to their own worldline of origin. This paradox is quite possible although highly unlikely. I wonder if anyone out there can take current string theory and make that one work on paper?

You said 6 curled up dimensions. The current string theory suggests that there should be at least 7.

I may be mistaken but I thought it was pretty well established now that (N-10) was on track.

gormworm

11-18-2004, 11:07 PM

11 January 2001 09:04

I must admit (forum name), you have succeeded in confusing me. The more I read your postings, the more I question my understanding and local use of social interaction, courtesy and logic. However, I also believe that all viewpoints have some inherent value even if it's not apparent.

I take it you won't answer my last post?

I took a look at your last posting and didn't see any questions. However, I now realize that I may be mistaken in assuming much of what you wrote was rhetorical. In may be helpful if you add some indication that you are asking a question you wish someone to comment on.

If you're from the future, than you should know what happens to (personal names of people on forum)? Am I involved in time travel?

This is the only question I found from your postings that you could be referring to. Again, I have no knowledge of you in any possible future nor would I comment on it if I did. As far as the photograph of me in a uniform, I'm not sure what that would prove even if I had one.

If you speak to me anymore, I will probably discredit your claims of being a time traveler.

I do not seek credit for anything. The most I hope for (for the most part) is to be at least interesting and engaging.

If you want meet my challenge (to talk online), I await your answer.

Perhaps I was unclear before. I did provide the web link earlier that does have a chat room set up for time travel. My schedule is a bit more flexible right now at least for the next week or so. Please take a look and let me know when you will be there (open to anyone of course). Since there really is nothing to be gained or lost, I look at this not as a challenge but more of an opportunity to get to know everyone better.

You need to answer people more quickly. You answer questions only when it is convenient for you. Your answers appear to be just enough to satisfy someone but you have enough time to just look it up in a book.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. In earlier postings, I have stated that I'm trying to avoid repeating myself and frankly there are some items that are just over my head or that I have no knowledge of. It is curious that you feel knowledge can be something owned or somehow that becomes less worthwhile if it's passed on.

Your future seems to be fixated on killing people. Isn't there a criminal justice system or do you just enjoy killing people?

Perhaps you could take the dialogue in question and post it with your question. However, if I understand you, you're asking about death on my worldline. Yes, it is more a part of our lives than it is yours (at least for now) and capitol punishment is a reality.

11 January 2001 11:49

I don't believe I ever said I came back looking for a UNIX bug fix. I came back for a computer system. Don't you find UNIX useful now?
Temperature is about the same although there were anomalies after the war.

Just curious.... what does everyone think of "IT"? (Ginger)

15 January 2001 12:04

In the post that follows, I've tried to answer the latest questions directed at me but I am hoping you all may be able to add some insight into something I've noticed. In our attempt to communicate here, some of the comments on this board have become increasingly hostile and negative. I see the same type of interaction when I watch news interview programs.

The guise of productive interaction and communication is thwarted by illogical verbal attacks and misdirection. I understand why the news does it. They are trying to hold an audience by generating conflict. For a while, I thought that was the goal here too but it appears that anger and conflict is being created on this site to cause genuine harm and pain. Its hard for me to believe that this is being done on purpose so I have concluded I simply do not understand some hidden element of your collective social interaction.

On the other hand, if its being done for no reason, I would understand a little better how people in this time could accomplish so much and yet be so vulnerable to their emotions and fears. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who believed that the only way to sway opinion was through calm, respectful, intelligent conversation.

Weather I'm a time traveler or not, I suppose there are numerous ways to view my "story". By the nature of the communication medium, I believe it's impossible to prove therefore it's impossible to believe. I agree that conversation spurs ideas. If I'm not a time a time traveler, than perhaps the seemingly disjointed statements I make will actually create the idea in one of you that leads to "real" time travel.

What is a WORLDLINE?

Individual worldlines represent the limits and paths physical objects take through space-time under the laws of special relativity. They can be shown graphically on an x-y graph with x representing distance in space and y representing passing of time. In time travel talk, worldlines are used as a way to describe and separate the experiences of a time traveler because various laws of special relativity appear to breakdown and can't be defined on a single worldline. (The word) Worldline has also become synonymous with "alternate universe" and / or "time-line".

You've admitted to taking things back with you. Do you pay for those items?

I pay for these items with money. Personally, I believe stealing is wrong.

Couldn't you just take what ever you wanted back with you?

There are mass limits to what can be taken back.

Are you tested mentally before becoming a time traveler? What makes a good time traveler?

Yes, there are numerous psychological tests. I was chosen based on my educational background and military service. The training lasted about two years. There is a great deal of physical training to counter the physical effects of distortion. They were also looking for drivers who had a fair amount of self-sufficiency and an ability to function under extreme isolation and confinement.

What do they look for when choosing someone for a mission?

Depending on the mission, time travelers are usually chosen for a particular mission based on their ability to gain the cooperation of someone related to the goal on the target worldline. In my case, my grandfather was directly involved with the building and programming of the 5100.

If a time traveler is bad and commits murder or goes crazy, is there anyway they can be recalled?

There is a difference of philosophy between us that should be clarified. Since I believe that all possible outcomes and events are possible, probable and certain, it is impossible to assign "goodness" or "badness" to a person or situation.

On some other worldline, I am an insane time traveler causing destruction and death while (name of forum member who confronts John on a regular basis) chases me with his band of devoted followers. However, on this one, I am not. Since both events are certain, their value is neutral.

You can only assign goodness and badness to the events and experiences you have direct control over or witness. Only actions are good and bad, not people or things. I suppose if I was a psychotic killer, I could accomplish my mission, avoid capture and still return to my worldline of origin without penalty. There would be no way for them to know what happened. However, I believe that action is wrong and I would be accountable to my God.

What exactly is "IT" since no one will know for sure until probably 2002 according to news reports?

I suppose this question is my own fault. As a time traveler, I am expected to know every winning horse and hot stock as well as the weather in all parts of the world at all times. I was genuinely interested in your opinion of how "IT" was being presented and advertised. Do you feel manipulated? Do you think it's really a big deal? Do you like the way the news is dealing with it?

How do you know our worldline and yours will follow the same path?

This worldline and my own are almost exactly alike.

15 January 2001 13:36

Thank you for considering the problem of (my) returning home. You seem to have stumbled on an intuitive proof of some of the physics of time travel. You are correct, getting back to the worldline of origin is easier than picking an exact destination on a different worldline.
I wrote down the graphic you outlined. If y1 starts perpendicular to x1 and x2 and is rotated, where is the center of rotation? I imagined it between x1 and x2. If this is so, wouldn't y1 end up parallel between x1 and x2 with each one being 6 inches away from y1 on either side?

Does the microsingularity that powers your time machine physically reduce the size of objects during operation?

Actually, there are 2 singularities in the unit. The gravity field is manipulated by three factors that affect it in distinct ways. Adding electric charge to the singularities increases the diameter of the inner event horizons. Adding mass to the singularities increases the area of gravitational influence around the singularities. Rotating and positioning the polar axis of the singularities affects and alters the gravity sinusoid.

The effects of the gravity produced by the unit do not have enough time to significantly alter physical objects within a reasonable distance from the outside of the sinusoid. No, things do not get smaller.

If the electron injection system alters the shape of the field, would that not force the unit to accelerate through space as well as time?

There is no relative movement in space due to three main factors. Large, kinetic energy inducing effects of the gravity field are compensated for by the interaction of the singularities. The mass of the unit and any objects inside the sinusoid do not exhibit any huge increases on the departure worldline during travel. The observed path of the traveler is obtained by changing the gravity, not by moving the vehicle. The black hole comes to you.

The question is define "time".

To me, time has two definitions. I see time as a mathematical component of a 10 dimensional super universe. It is a variable I use to define my location and existence.

I also see time as a metaphysical compromise our senses use to define the area of collective existence God has placed us in.
When I can measure and sense time, I know I am not with God.

16 January 2001 10:43

I know you have a hidden agenda. You have not made clear your motives and are only giving us very little proof. Why are you holding back?

Rest assured there is nothing I have planned in my "hidden agenda" that will make anyone's life any worse than it already might be.

Am I right? You do a lot of work in the background of our society? Admit it.

I plan to leave soon. There is nothing I can do here that will affect my home. My goals are based on the love I have for my family. Actually, my interest in the past is a result of going through piles of half burned books and magazines left over from a war started by people you share this planet with right now. On that note, perhaps its more interesting to consider what I won't be doing to try and stop that war.

What are your personal beliefs? Do you believe in God, which one? Do you think the ends justify the means? Don't you have people regulating Time Travel?

How many Gods are there? I believe in just one. What are your suggestions for regulating time? Perhaps a list of your "time rights" would be something to spark conversation on the board.

You are a cheater of life. Why can't your worldline fend for itself? You take the solution from us and threaten to change billions of lives (here). Why don't you care about that?

I'm just guessing that "cheater of life" is not a compliment. I can't think of a reason why my actions would be immoral and someone else's would not. You suggest I'm capable of changing lives. I suggest that I'm no more capable of that than you are.

I'm just not so sure you recognize your own potential. You don't need a time machine to save or destroy people. If there was another person doing the exact same things I was but they didn't have a time machine, would they be putting billions of lives at stake and suffer your judgment?

Is there any such thing as wrong for you?

Yes, I believe in wrong and right. I judge my actions based on God's law. Is it wrong for me to murder? Yes it is. Is it wrong for me to teach someone how to defend themselves and they commit murder? No, I am not their keeper. Since I am leaving, I will be incapable of causing any harm. But, what damage will you do with anything I have said?

17 January 2001 11:29

In the future, sociologists spend a great of time discussing the collective mentality before the war that led to the demise of "Homo Materia". Many of them point to an experiment that was done in the 1970's or 1980's. The experiment isolated various sizes of rat populations in varying cage sizes with varying food and cleaning schedules. It was discovered that no matter what, there was a certain ratio of rats to space that once overtaken by population would always lead to aggressive and destructive behavior in the rats until enough of them had died or been killed to get back under the ratio. This was true even when the rats that were given plenty of food and had their cage cleaned every day.

Besides the occasional school or office shooting and violent video game, I can't help but think about that experiment every time I see someone stranded on the highway or walking on the side of the road carrying an empty gas can. I ask my parents why we don't stop and help and they tell me they are afraid of being attacked and of the possible consequences of helping someone they don't know. I would respond by pointing out that it's our duty to help someone, not just because it's the right thing to do, but because we can never know that person's true worth and the risk of losing then is too great.

I didn't fully understand their stubbornness until I saw a news story about a doctor who was sued for applying emergency first aid to an accident victim who died. I believe your society is biologically geared for self-destruction. However, I feel strongly that does not excuse me from my responsibilities as a temporary member of this community.

Although (name of poster on forum) is a bit quirky and eccentric, he does belong to us. He's this community's quirky and eccentric guy and although he can be aggravating, I can't help but feel protective of him. As I'm sure most of us believe, under all of his postings, he has some interesting things to say. When I first read one of his postings, I first shook my head and then I began to question my own understanding of not only the English language but of the real meaning of the odd things he brings up. If it's done on purpose, it's quite effective.

end 04A

gormworm

11-18-2004, 11:14 PM

26 January 2001 15:11

After trying to post a couple of times and seeing the number of postings increase but not the pages, I assume it is limited to 11 pages. Any thoughts?

26 January 2001 18:46

Greetings everyone. I've been away for a while so I apologize for not getting back to these questions sooner. Since (personal name from forum) brought up a few things I had addressed in the mysterious mail that never made it to the board, I will post it here. The others are responses from other questions.

Why are you so interested in the Constitution?

After the war, the United States had split into five separate regions based on the various factors and military objectives they each had. There was a great deal of anger directed toward the Federal government and a revival of states rights was becoming paramount. However, in their attempt to create an economic form of government, the political and military leaders at the time decided to hold one last Constitutional Congress in order to present a psychological cohesion from the old system.

During this Congress, the leaders discovered and decided that coming up with a new and better form of government was nearly impossible. The original Constitution itself was not the problem it was the ignorance of the people that lived under it.

Don't you like your "new" Constitution?

From my viewpoint, it's very effective. I am a very strong believer in local or state's rights.

When are you leaving to go home?

There are certain windows I must wait for in order to leave. There will be two this year. The first one opens this spring.

Is it possible for you to return to this time line once you leave?

Not with the machine I have now.

If we all had time machines, would we end up destroying the rest of the local worldlines?

Since everything is already happening and possible on different worldlines, the answer is yes, and no.

You appear to be a Libertarian who stresses the need for mankind to get back to basics. You also seem to be a gun rights activist.

I suppose from your vantage point that's a fair assessment. I would call myself more of a centrist. Although I understand the "gun rights" issue here, I cannot relate to it all and it is a common point of argument with my mother.

I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep but it doesn't help. If it makes you feel any better, I never shot anyone who wasn't trying to kill me.

Since we're not as smart as you, can you help us solve the technical problems of time travel?

When you say "us", what do you mean? Do you mean "you"? Where would you go if you had my machine? How do you think the rest of the world would react to the U.S. having a time machine and they didn't?

You stated you went back in time from 2036 to 1975 with a near 2 percent divergence. You also said that a zero divergence is a myth or technologically improbable.

Yes, a "ZD" is thought to be impossible. However, consider that an exact entry point "may" not be necessary to get home. The important factor is the path, not the destination. Under multiple world theory, there are an infinite number of "homes" that I could return to that don't have me there. The divergence for that window is somewhere near .0002377%.

Please correct me if I don't understand. Are parallel universes created by events in our own worldline?

Parallel universes exist independently of each other and only interact to avoid the collapse of the wave function for any given particle or event that you are looking at.

I like to imagine it as a series of parallel lines crossed by a wavy wave. Each point on the wavy line where a straight line crosses it represents an alternate outcome. The multiple "yous" on each worldline record a different result for the activity of the particle.

Multiple World theory and parallel universes have never been proven. It only exists as a way to explain various findings in quantum mechanics. Just because people talk about it doesn't mean it's real.

I agree with you that an explanation doesn't make it so. However you can build a model to describe physical behavior. Even if the model is not complete, its "truth" can be measured by how well it predicts the behavior it describes.

Where did multiverse come from as a theory? Where is the evidence of its existence?

I believe the closest non-related evidence for multiple universes right now comes from the physics (derived from special relativity) of rotating (Kerr) black holes. If you examine a typical Penrose map, science agrees that you can travel to "other universes" through these cosmic oddities. They can't be different places in your own universe (worldline) because you would have to violate the speed of light limit to get there.

Since the existence of multiple universes is a reality from my viewpoint, please allow me to disclose an idea we toss around a bit in 2036. Since all possibilities, outcomes and events are occurring and exist simultaneously; it would mean there are multiple universes out there where "you" are living a day behind and a day ahead of the "you" on this universe.

There are some who believe that memory is some sort of information transfer or communication with the "yous" in the past, across worldlines or universes. Although this is seemingly quite ridiculous, if you think that could be true, than physics tells us that the same information transfer from our future selves on other worldlines is not only possible but certain. Could it be that fantasy or "what if" scenarios are actually future memory from an alternate "us" on a future worldline?

According to physics, there is no reason why this cannot be true.

26 January 2001 18:51

I now see it plainly states the topics are limited to 11 pages. I guess this only proves I'm not the brightest singularity in multidimensional space-time.

26 January 2001 21:21

Your mission to go back in time seems rather pointless since you stated earlier there is no way to get back to your exact starting point.

The reality of infinite possibilities is rather difficult to get a grip on and if it were not for the math, I would delegate it to the realm of religion. I like to think of it as standing in a room with mirrors on all the walls. I can look to my right and left and see many "mes" all doing exactly the same thing. If we all took a step to our right and passed through a dimensional doorway to the next mirrored room, it would be very difficult to tell if anything had changed. In that sense, there are an infinite number of worldlines waiting for me to return with the computer. If I can get to one of them, I have completed my mission.

It would seem then that another time traveler that looks like you could arrive on your worldline of origin with another IBM computer and no one would know the difference.

Bingo!! Seems like something they would do a lot of psychological testing for before they sent us off.

26 January 2001 21:28

Where does it say it is limited to 11 pages?

I was just trying to be clever. However, I am still unable to see any postings past 412. Can everyone else see them?

John Titor

01-27-2001 12:45 PM

Greetings. I am a time traveler from the year 2036. I am on my way home after getting an IBM 5100 computer system from the year 1975.
My "time" machine is a stationary mass, temporal displacement unit manufactured by General Electric. The unit is powered by two, top-spin, dual-positive singularities that produce a standard, off-set Tipler sinusoid.
I will be happy to post pictures of the unit.
I have been communicating online with others who are interested in time travel.

28 January 2001 09:45

And you never showed us a picture of your uniform.

Actually, there are numerous places I have posted pictures. I believe the links are still on the board.

Why haven't you commented on not caring about your original worldline?

I'm not sure what you're asking. I think those statements speak for themselves and your interpretation of them may be, unique.

28 January 2001 12:22

One of the reasons I like this board so much is that the questions are more thought out, the people seem to be a bit smarter than normal and I'm not continually bombarded with questions about stock tips. I will admit that on a conceptual level, you are picking it up much faster than I did.

If you leave your worldline, some of your friends and family members will never see you again. That seems like a very immoral thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think it would be immoral. Don't soldiers today go on duties they may not return from?

It depends on how you define what the real "me" is. If you consider the mirror example again, as all of the "mes" step one room to the right, the family and friends in that room (and the time traveler for that matter) would not be able to tell the difference.

The probability of us noticing a difference is based on the divergence of the trip. If all events and outcomes are certain, there are worldlines where I do return for every worldline I don't return to. All the "moral" events would then balance out to zero. Again, it's hard to judge good and bad outcomes, only good and bad decisions.

What's the point of fixing something in one worldline if there's an infinite number of worldlines where a problem doesn't exist?

Our actions and decisions are based on the knowledge we have in our own worldline. Yes, the bell shaped curve is a useful tool but if we are capable of change for the better than we feel we should at least try.
Even if "I" don't return to my exact worldline, a similar "me" probably will. Besides, I just look at it as helping a worldline where their time traveling me didn't show up but I did.

Earlier you said the people on your worldline would only experience your being away for a split second. How can this be true if you'll never return to that worldline?

Again, I refer to the mirror example.

It seems impossible that another you would return to the worldline you originally came from.

I'm not sure I said another time traveler "will" return, I think I said they "could" return. The location/gravity "map" I have of my path getting here could be duplicated with a fairly high degree of accuracy. It's just that my machine was not designed to do that.

I think it's a mistake to rely on the concept of the impossible when dealing with the reality of multiple worlds. Keep in mind there are an infinite number of "yous" on infinite worldlines having completely different experiences with "me".

You stated that returning to your worldline of origin is thought to be impossible.

My "exact" ZD worldline that is.

01-28-2001 06:35 AM

My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from 1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.) I am here now for personal reasons. The web page is not mine. I have been speaking online for about three months and the page is a collection of the various documents and pictures I have sent to other individuals.
Also, I realize there is no way for anyone to believe me with absolute certainty so I hope I'm at least entertaining. You may be interested to know that even in 2036, there are a large number of people who don't believe in time travel. Are you sure the world is round?

01-29-2001 07:47 AM

Please keep in mind the web site is not mine and I apologize for the poor quality of the files. The photo you saw was taken by me with a Polaroid camera manufactured here. The other documents were duplicated by placing a book onto a copy machine at a packaging and shipping store and then scanning and saving them.
As for the printing technology in 2036, you may be surprised at how many people use typewriters however I agree the documents were probably not created that way.
I too am very anxious to hear your thoughts and questions on time travel / gravity displacement and any comments on the Everett Wheeler Graham model.

gormworm

11-18-2004, 11:16 PM

01-29-2001 03:48 PM

Although the documents posted were printed from a computer printer, is it really that hard to believe that manual typing is just a bit more common in thirty years? After the war, many things like manual printing machines, bicycles, sailboats and hand tools were valued a great deal. I have noticed more people in California are installing wood burning stoves.
I realize my claims are a bit ridiculous but my intent is not really to be believed. However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad decisions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?
In my experience, when it becomes necessary to convince someone what I do for a living the only way to do that is to be related to them. Everything else is immediately written off as a parlor trick, even if they're standing in front of a cooling distortion unit and I show them a dollar bill with the year 2029 on it.
In the last few months, I have had numerous extended conversations online and there are quite a few things I've said which can easily be checked out but haven't. I get no pleasure out of being right when it comes to CJD disease, war in the Middle East or suffering people in far away lands. There's nothing like the look on someone's face when you tell them 100,000 people will be dead tomorrow. In my travels, I have discovered that most people really don't want to know about the future because if its different than what they want it ticks them off. Actually, I don't blame them.
The means by which I travel in time is very physical. I require a "machine" to do it. It weighs about 500 pounds and gets quite hot. I do not own it and I did not build it. Within limits, I will be happy to discuss how it works and how "future" science thinks time works. No we have not completed string theory yet but (N-10) seems to work pretty well.
As far as the future goes, your worldline is about 2.5% different than mine. This is a roughly cumulative measurement based on my arrival in 1975. As far as I can tell right now, you are headed toward the same events I would call "my history" in 2036. However, the very nature of time travel states that every worldline is unique and you are very much in control of what you do and how you get there. Heck, the fact that I'm here makes it different from mine.
I have nothing to sell, and there is nothing I want anyone to do. For all other time travelers out there, I have no tests for you and I would enjoy discussing your feelings and experiences after the war. To everyone else, while I'm here, I am very interested in your philosophy, religious outlooks and speculations on technology.

29 January 2001 12:25

Are the Olympics still being played in the future?

As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040.

Why wouldn't it be possible to use that recording to go back to your original starting point without any divergence at all?

Perhaps it's better to say it's so highly improbable as to be considered impossible. A good example is the concept of trying to get closer to something by cutting the distance in half for every step you take. Since the computer is basically making calculations from an imperfect model of reality, there are no absolutes. I also believe there is a theory that states you would have to violate the speed of light limit to have a perfect ZD.

Why are there only two windows of opportunity for you to go back? Does this have anything to do with the weather?

The weather isn't a factor as much as gravitational tidal forces are at the point of arrival.

I disapprove of war because I think it's immoral. What do you think?

I disapprove of murder. Man as a species is incapable of changing his nature through will alone and war is a tool of biology. The ability for war sleeps in each one of us and we must decide what we will do before the beast awakens. As for morality, again I point to the "universal" balance of good and evil. For every worldline where there is peace, there is a worldline that has destroyed itself.

What's the use of bringing back the computer to a slightly different worldline since you know there are just as many worldlines in which no-one returns to bring back computer?

The decisions and actions we take as individuals can only help those who we have direct interaction with. I believe it is wrong to be capable of helping and do nothing. My struggle is in the irony that if everyone just "did nothing", on every worldline, there would be no action and thus no immorality or evil (no good either).

I'm very interested in your comments on the greed of humanity. You're unique perspective of humanity at this point (2001 and 2036) is valuable.

Please feel free to ask anything you like.

Can you record a voice message for us before you leave?

Yes. I am considering trying to videotape my departure and having my parents post it after I leave. That should keep you all busy for a while.

What sort of future do you imagine after 2036? Will we colonize the solar system?

Keep in mind that not all humans were destroyed but we were all affected. There is an effort going into colonizing space because it is believed that the problems of overpopulation were a large cause of the war. Personally, my generation sees itself as having a duty to try and repair the mess our fathers handed to us. When we were young, most of us had a small taste of the world you live in now and our only dream is to clean it up and give it back to those still able to have children.

01-30-2001 06:21 AM

Sometimes I imagine what it would be like to approach the Wright Brothers in 1910, before their first flight, and make the suggestion that in a mere thirty years, man would be on the brink of flying through the air at the speed of sound.
What tools would I be able to show them that would convince them? Would a picture of a jet airplane do it? Would complicated math and physics equations do it? Would it take a ride? Perhaps there will be a way to share the photos again but I don't expect it would convince anyone. I would only hope they would spark conversation and make the reality of time travel a little more personal.
Although I have no personal experience with non-mechanical time travel, I cannot discount it. Physics has a way of making the impossible a reality.
I'm not here to study anyone. My objective was in 1975 and the reason I'm here now is my family. I find my preconceptions of what I would encounter interesting. Being exposed to a society through its art, music and advertising is one thing and experiencing it is another.
I'm not sure the physics of time travel is really that hard to grasp. Most of the working theory has been around on a large scale since 1970 and the technical breakthroughs are happening on your worldline right now.
Technology is not gone in 2036 nor is it the private domain of "government" leaders. Computer printers just didn't work very well on 12 volts and many people just got used to doing things the old way. After the war, the main problem was distribution. Can anyone tell me how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out.

01-31-2001 02:14 AM

I'm not aware of any predictions I made or perhaps we do not agree on the definition. What anyone chooses to do based on something I might say will not affect me in the least. My goal is not to believed and I submit that your life would not be any better (and perhaps worse) if you did believe me. You placed "tests" before me that I must pass. Why? What do I have to gain by passing them?
The fact is there is nothing I can say or show you or let you drop hydrochloric acid on that will "make" you believe me and I really don't want that. It would be nice to discuss your view on religion, politics, physics and the mechanical requirements of time travel but in order to engage in those types of conversations, I must apparently tell you who wins the hockey game next week. I'm just guessing that if were to write out the ten lines for Fermat's final proof you wouldn't be very impressed either.
(1) Industrialized mass production does not produce the uncountable tonnage of useless consumer items so gleefully absorbed by your society. I would estimate there are about 10 units like mine (C204) and twenty larger units (C206). The main difference is the sensitivity and number of the main Cesium clocks. I would estimate that some sort of public time travel will be common around 2045.
(2) I'm not aware of any other time traveler's "here" now. But if they are here, I'm sure they're pouring over sports history books so they can go back in time another week and start a friendly conversation on the web.
(3) The "Mad Cow" story here is yet to begin but don't worry, the fruited gelatin deserts are safe.
(4) I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger".
Ethics is an excellent topic of discussion and I hope we can move past a collective insistence of applying everything to this frame of reference.

01-31-2001 03:41 PM

The distortion unit reaches its target destination by using very sensitive gravity sensors and atomic clocks. The basic unit of calculation is the second. So yes, in a sense you do "dial in" in a date and the computer system controls the distortion field. At maximum power, the unit I have is capable of traveling about 10 years an hour.
Unfortunately, time travel is not an exact science. There is inherent error and chaos in the computers ability to make accurate calculations. Based on the current technology of the clocks and sensors, distortion units are only accurate to about 60 years or so. So no, in 2036, we are unable to travel back 1000 years due to the error rate in the system. The divergence between the worldline of origin and the target worldline would be too great. If one were to try and travel back that far, history would look nothing like what you would expect.
The unit has mass limits but the 204 is capable of transporting about three people and equipment. I don't think you would like 2036 very much.
The 5100 had a very simple and unique feature that IBM did not account for and decided it was not in their best interest to advertise (which in hindsight was not very smart). This accidental feature was thus removed from any future desktop computers. In order to take advantage of this feature, the 5100 I have now required a couple of special "tweaks" that had to be done by one of the software engineers in 1975. Anyone who is familiar with this feature and was told to keep their mouth shut about it will be able to tell you what it is.
Yes we still have toilet tissue and some people still suffer from extreme anal fixation.
I have noticed and gotten used to the act of verbal conflict as a cathartic entertainment. I don't totally understand it but I take no offense by it either. Perhaps we could just arm wrestle some day and still be able to have a pleasant conversation.
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.
The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created, captured and cleaned at a much larger and "circular" facility. The dual event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.
Perhaps it would have been clearer to state that the math has been around since 1970. I would urge you to examine the properties of Kerr black holes and Tipler cylinders. An actual working prototype was first tested in 2034. On my worldline, time travel is not a public recreation but we are all aware that it exists. You may be disappointed to know that the ability to manipulate gravity is not the technical challenge that had to be overcome.
Miniaturizing the clocks and sensors, creating clever ways to vent x-rays and creating a computer system dependable enough to calculate the changes required to the field were the main challenges. There are no missing pieces, just missing energy levels and a few very interesting subatomic particles.

end 04B

gormworm

11-18-2004, 11:32 PM

gormworm

11-18-2004, 11:35 PM

10 January 2001 01:13

E(8) x E(8)?

10 January 2001 23:10

You mentioned a divergence percentage between time lines. How is it possible to measure divergence?

The measurement for worldline divergence is an observation variable isolated to the distortion unit. An effective analogy would be a "gravity radar". The unit's sensors take a "snapshot" of the local gravity around the unit before a flight. During travel, this baseline is periodically checked to make sure there are no major changes in the environment that would cause a catastrophic mass failure (brick wall appearing from nowhere). The percentage of VGL divergence from one worldline to another is a calculated guess by the three computers that control the unit based on its starting point. It is useless in describing characteristics of individual worldlines.

There is a bit of folklore about the first distortion driver who reaches a destination with a zero divergence. This would mean they had traveled on a space-like trip to their own worldline of origin. This paradox is quite possible although highly unlikely. I wonder if anyone out there can take current string theory and make that one work on paper?

You said 6 curled up dimensions. The current string theory suggests that there should be at least 7.

I may be mistaken but I thought it was pretty well established now that (N-10) was on track.

11 January 2001 09:04

I must admit (forum name), you have succeeded in confusing me. The more I read your postings, the more I question my understanding and local use of social interaction, courtesy and logic. However, I also believe that all viewpoints have some inherent value even if it's not apparent.

I take it you won't answer my last post?

I took a look at your last posting and didn't see any questions. However, I now realize that I may be mistaken in assuming much of what you wrote was rhetorical. In may be helpful if you add some indication that you are asking a question you wish someone to comment on.

If you're from the future, than you should know what happens to (personal names of people on forum)? Am I involved in time travel?

This is the only question I found from your postings that you could be referring to. Again, I have no knowledge of you in any possible future nor would I comment on it if I did. As far as the photograph of me in a uniform, I'm not sure what that would prove even if I had one.

If you speak to me anymore, I will probably discredit your claims of being a time traveler.

I do not seek credit for anything. The most I hope for (for the most part) is to be at least interesting and engaging.

If you want meet my challenge (to talk online), I await your answer.

Perhaps I was unclear before. I did provide the web link earlier that does have a chat room set up for time travel. My schedule is a bit more flexible right now at least for the next week or so. Please take a look and let me know when you will be there (open to anyone of course). Since there really is nothing to be gained or lost, I look at this not as a challenge but more of an opportunity to get to know everyone better.

You need to answer people more quickly. You answer questions only when it is convenient for you. Your answers appear to be just enough to satisfy someone but you have enough time to just look it up in a book.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. In earlier postings, I have stated that I'm trying to avoid repeating myself and frankly there are some items that are just over my head or that I have no knowledge of. It is curious that you feel knowledge can be something owned or somehow that becomes less worthwhile if it's passed on.

Your future seems to be fixated on killing people. Isn't there a criminal justice system or do you just enjoy killing people?

Perhaps you could take the dialogue in question and post it with your question. However, if I understand you, you're asking about death on my worldline. Yes, it is more a part of our lives than it is yours (at least for now) and capitol punishment is a reality.

11 January 2001 11:49

I don't believe I ever said I came back looking for a UNIX bug fix. I came back for a computer system. Don't you find UNIX useful now?
Temperature is about the same although there were anomalies after the war.

Just curious.... what does everyone think of "IT"? (Ginger)

15 January 2001 12:04

In the post that follows, I've tried to answer the latest questions directed at me but I am hoping you all may be able to add some insight into something I've noticed. In our attempt to communicate here, some of the comments on this board have become increasingly hostile and negative. I see the same type of interaction when I watch news interview programs.

The guise of productive interaction and communication is thwarted by illogical verbal attacks and misdirection. I understand why the news does it. They are trying to hold an audience by generating conflict. For a while, I thought that was the goal here too but it appears that anger and conflict is being created on this site to cause genuine harm and pain. Its hard for me to believe that this is being done on purpose so I have concluded I simply do not understand some hidden element of your collective social interaction.

On the other hand, if its being done for no reason, I would understand a little better how people in this time could accomplish so much and yet be so vulnerable to their emotions and fears. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who believed that the only way to sway opinion was through calm, respectful, intelligent conversation.

Weather I'm a time traveler or not, I suppose there are numerous ways to view my "story". By the nature of the communication medium, I believe it's impossible to prove therefore it's impossible to believe. I agree that conversation spurs ideas. If I'm not a time a time traveler, than perhaps the seemingly disjointed statements I make will actually create the idea in one of you that leads to "real" time travel.

What is a WORLDLINE?

Individual worldlines represent the limits and paths physical objects take through space-time under the laws of special relativity. They can be shown graphically on an x-y graph with x representing distance in space and y representing passing of time. In time travel talk, worldlines are used as a way to describe and separate the experiences of a time traveler because various laws of special relativity appear to breakdown and can't be defined on a single worldline. (The word) Worldline has also become synonymous with "alternate universe" and / or "time-line".

You've admitted to taking things back with you. Do you pay for those items?

I pay for these items with money. Personally, I believe stealing is wrong.

Couldn't you just take what ever you wanted back with you?

There are mass limits to what can be taken back.

Are you tested mentally before becoming a time traveler? What makes a good time traveler?

Yes, there are numerous psychological tests. I was chosen based on my educational background and military service. The training lasted about two years. There is a great deal of physical training to counter the physical effects of distortion. They were also looking for drivers who had a fair amount of self-sufficiency and an ability to function under extreme isolation and confinement.

What do they look for when choosing someone for a mission?

Depending on the mission, time travelers are usually chosen for a particular mission based on their ability to gain the cooperation of someone related to the goal on the target worldline. In my case, my grandfather was directly involved with the building and programming of the 5100.

If a time traveler is bad and commits murder or goes crazy, is there anyway they can be recalled?

There is a difference of philosophy between us that should be clarified. Since I believe that all possible outcomes and events are possible, probable and certain, it is impossible to assign "goodness" or "badness" to a person or situation.

On some other worldline, I am an insane time traveler causing destruction and death while (name of forum member who confronts John on a regular basis) chases me with his band of devoted followers. However, on this one, I am not. Since both events are certain, their value is neutral.

You can only assign goodness and badness to the events and experiences you have direct control over or witness. Only actions are good and bad, not people or things. I suppose if I was a psychotic killer, I could accomplish my mission, avoid capture and still return to my worldline of origin without penalty. There would be no way for them to know what happened. However, I believe that action is wrong and I would be accountable to my God.

What exactly is "IT" since no one will know for sure until probably 2002 according to news reports?

I suppose this question is my own fault. As a time traveler, I am expected to know every winning horse and hot stock as well as the weather in all parts of the world at all times. I was genuinely interested in your opinion of how "IT" was being presented and advertised. Do you feel manipulated? Do you think it's really a big deal? Do you like the way the news is dealing with it?

How do you know our worldline and yours will follow the same path?

This worldline and my own are almost exactly alike.

15 January 2001 13:36

Thank you for considering the problem of (my) returning home. You seem to have stumbled on an intuitive proof of some of the physics of time travel. You are correct, getting back to the worldline of origin is easier than picking an exact destination on a different worldline.
I wrote down the graphic you outlined. If y1 starts perpendicular to x1 and x2 and is rotated, where is the center of rotation? I imagined it between x1 and x2. If this is so, wouldn't y1 end up parallel between x1 and x2 with each one being 6 inches away from y1 on either side?

Does the microsingularity that powers your time machine physically reduce the size of objects during operation?

Actually, there are 2 singularities in the unit. The gravity field is manipulated by three factors that affect it in distinct ways. Adding electric charge to the singularities increases the diameter of the inner event horizons. Adding mass to the singularities increases the area of gravitational influence around the singularities. Rotating and positioning the polar axis of the singularities affects and alters the gravity sinusoid.

The effects of the gravity produced by the unit do not have enough time to significantly alter physical objects within a reasonable distance from the outside of the sinusoid. No, things do not get smaller.

If the electron injection system alters the shape of the field, would that not force the unit to accelerate through space as well as time?

There is no relative movement in space due to three main factors. Large, kinetic energy inducing effects of the gravity field are compensated for by the interaction of the singularities. The mass of the unit and any objects inside the sinusoid do not exhibit any huge increases on the departure worldline during travel. The observed path of the traveler is obtained by changing the gravity, not by moving the vehicle. The black hole comes to you.

The question is define "time".

To me, time has two definitions. I see time as a mathematical component of a 10 dimensional super universe. It is a variable I use to define my location and existence.

I also see time as a metaphysical compromise our senses use to define the area of collective existence God has placed us in.
When I can measure and sense time, I know I am not with God.

16 January 2001 10:43

I know you have a hidden agenda. You have not made clear your motives and are only giving us very little proof. Why are you holding back?

Rest assured there is nothing I have planned in my "hidden agenda" that will make anyone's life any worse than it already might be.

Am I right? You do a lot of work in the background of our society? Admit it.

I plan to leave soon. There is nothing I can do here that will affect my home. My goals are based on the love I have for my family. Actually, my interest in the past is a result of going through piles of half burned books and magazines left over from a war started by people you share this planet with right now. On that note, perhaps its more interesting to consider what I won't be doing to try and stop that war.

What are your personal beliefs? Do you believe in God, which one? Do you think the ends justify the means? Don't you have people regulating Time Travel?

How many Gods are there? I believe in just one. What are your suggestions for regulating time? Perhaps a list of your "time rights" would be something to spark conversation on the board.

end 05A

gormworm

11-20-2004, 05:52 PM

What I've posted here so far is just a very small amount of all of the John Titor material you'll find posted at
http://www.johntitor.com/

gormworm

11-20-2004, 05:54 PM

If add to this discussion, ... Please feel free!

I don't own this discussion, .. nor this forum.

gormworm

11-28-2004, 08:14 PM

A different John Titor on-line collection:
John Titor: Above Top Secret
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/john_titor_ats_project.html

THE ATS JOHN TITOR MAIN CONTENT ARCHIVE
At some time in early November of 2000, someone showed up in a few Internet discussion boards calling themselves Timetravel_0. Over time, they then laid claim to the real name, John Titor, a time traveler from the year 2036. From there, the name John Titor will forever be embedded in the folklore of both alternative-topic boards like ATS, and the Internet as a whole.

We present the Internet's most complete archive of John Titor postings organized as a chronological list of material through 19 pages. In addition, we've compiled his known photographs for analysis.

Random

11-29-2004, 08:34 AM

If Half of this is True it ought to be an interesting 2nd half of my life :) IF i live thru it :eek:

Shecoda

12-01-2004, 12:47 AM

gormworm

12-03-2004, 03:00 AM

A civil war huh? Have you ever read the Declaration of Independance? I mean really read it? I find that most people have never really read it. Or the Constitution either.

The D of I has some really radical ideas in it even for this day and age, in fact there is a call for duty in it. Read it you'll see.

-*the worm recites from memory*_

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

• that all men are created equal

• and that they are endowed, by their creator with certain unalienable rights

• and that among these rights are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

• and that governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of those who are governed.

• and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, .. it is the right of the people to abolish it and to institute new government.

and it goes on.

... Yeah.
The Fifth Dimension recorded a musical version of the Declaration of Independence on the “B” side of their hit 45 “The Age of Aquarius” from the musical “HAIR”.

After all these years, ... the song still runs through my head.

Not because the music is good ... which it is.
But because what is said, ... and what is currently happening in this nation, ... keeps me awake at night.

If we really are Americans ....
If the concepts, ideas, laws, and guidelines that this nation is all based on actually means anything at all ... CIVIL WAR seems to be inevitable.

Of course, ... is seems like a majority of Americans have slept through the dismantling of our Constitutional Republic so far.
Maybe they’ll sleep through the end of America as well.

We shall see.

maryals

12-03-2004, 03:54 AM

gormworm

12-04-2004, 01:36 PM

There is nothing in any of our Sacred Documents Creating This Nation that dis-allows Secession. As I read it, any State or States have the right to Secede.
The "War Between the States" was such a terrible waste. "The Slavery Issue" was only made an issue by President Lincoln to make sure that the British did not take sides with The Confederacy.

There are those among us (Americans here in America) who ... having studied the history of events leading up to the outbreak of Civil War the last time around .... believe that the Union's defeat of the Confederacy was unconstitutional.

Confederate flags are still quite popular among many historians in the U.S. ... and as you've pointed out, .. it has nothing to do with racism and slavery.

Simply the Constitutional right of the people to rule their government, ... and not the other way around.

maryals

12-04-2004, 07:40 PM

So, here is my question: in this Civil War, which, sadly, may become a shootin' War, who will be fighting against whom?

The Heartland vs the 2 Coasts? The poor and middle class against the rich? Will it be a "Civil War", or a "War Between the States"?

I would just like a deeper explaination of who will be fighting whom.

Thank you :D
Mary

gormworm

12-04-2004, 08:05 PM

So, here is my question: in this Civil War, which, sadly, may become a shootin' War, who will be fighting against whom?
Mary

Bottom line:
It will be a war over who has the power over whom.

Does the American Imperial Federal Government have absolute power and control over the American people?

Or is it the American people who have the power over their "elected" American Imperial Federal Government?

My interpretation of what John Titor has indicated is that, ... as far as the actual fighting is concerned: there will be a conflict between American military groups on American soil.

There are American servicemen who joined up out of an emotional response to the "terrorist attacks" 9-11-2001.

• As more and more of them are viewing the videos and recorded evidence of what [i]really transpired on that day, ..
• and as more and more servicemen are falling ill from handling radio active ammunition, and transporting bio-hazardous & radioactive materials around in Iraq ....
• as more and more of them are becoming aware of the fact that cocaine, heroin, and other hard drugs are being grown and produced on the farmlands in Iraq that have been seized and occupied by American military during and following the invasion, ...
• as they keep seeing and hearing that the Veteran's Administration & the Pentagon are reporting false numbers of our dead and wounded to the American public .....
• more and more of them are becoming aware of the fact that our government is corrupt, .. and no longer represents them nor their families back home.

There is growing, substantial evidence that Islamic fundamentalist terrorists had NOTHING to do with the "terrorist attacks" of 9-11-2001.

Thousands of Americans enlisted into the armed services in order to go to Iraq, and fight the terrorists.
All the while never realizing that they have been fooled.

There will be American military personnel who will mutiny against other American military personnel.
From what I've been reading, .. there have all ready been small outbreaks of this going on that are being intentionally "spun", .. falsely reported, and covered up by all of the major American news networks.

As new updates of the "Patriot Act" are pushed through Congress, ... taking away more and more State government's and individual's Civil Rights, .. and as more and more examples of American individuals being arrested and imprisoned without any legal charges against them ... (as has been happening in Sparks & Reno, Nevada)... Law Enforcement officers, National Guardsmen, and members of the Army, Navy, and Marines who are still state-side, .. may revolt.

This is the same thing that happened as people began taking sides during the last Civil War in America.

There were a great many events that took place back then that were, in many ways, comparable to Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Oklahoma City bombing of today.

As history indicates, .. the outbreak of a war is rarely a clean-cut, easy to witness event.
Even if the broadcast propaganda of the day makes it appear that way.

Remember the Minister of Propaganda in Iraq?
As the American tanks were rolling through the parade grounds in downtown Bagdad, .. he stood in front of the Ministry building, telling his television audience that there was no invasion taking place.

I don’t think the news anchormen here in the U.S.A. will behave in quite the same fashion.
My guess is, ... most of them will retire and move to Costa Rica just before the shooting starts.

Dan Rather who? ;)

Rather is no dummy.
He's getting out while his retirement money will still buy something when exchanged for foreign currency.

Civil War is terrible for a nation’s internal economy.
It’s hard to produce and manufacture profitable goods and services when folks are busy killing each other in mass numbers.

Oh well.

revRecluse

12-05-2004, 11:35 PM

I just found this thread, and have followed John Titor's story from way back. Sadly, I think the Civil War is coming, and wouldn't be surprised if indeed 2005 was the year...

Captain Beyond

12-05-2004, 11:59 PM

If civil war does come,I do not see it as Democrats vs Republicans,as both parties have long sought to control the people.Perhaps then it will be a rebellion of the freedom lovers vs big government after all,with some military siding with both sides.

As of yet,I see no catalyst for this event,but I can speculate that it will be one of two things.The first would be another major terror attack resulting in Martial law.As this Martial law is instated,many people,especially in the inner cities would revolt,riot,loot,etc.,resulting in many thousands of them winding up in FEMA camps.Also,those who were fortunate enough to not go there would quietly begin to congregate together,plotting resistance as Big Brother sought them out.

The second scenario has similar results,but with a major economic crash instigating the events.I do not see our military playing a major role in this though as most of them are abroad.I can however see multinational forces from the UN as willing accomplices.Either way,it is the demise of our freedom,and it is just a matter of time.The NWO always has two plans to follow with their agenda,just as in the recent election.Both were and are part of the plans.

I hope John Titor was just a very clever hoax,but he was and is by far,the most convincing proported time traveller I have ever heard.

CB

maryals

12-06-2004, 03:37 AM

Yup, that about spells it out for me Gormy' :( Thanks.

One more reason to stay here in Alaska.
Thank you :D
Mary

maryals

12-06-2004, 03:48 AM

Let me tell you a true story. It happened since we've moved here (1991) so some one who really digs diggin' up news archives can validate this.

The fish run had been low on the major rivers, I don't remember why. Not only did the Guvner (Wally Hickle I think) order a strict cut back on "Sport Fishing" he set out an Executive Order to delay subsistence fishing that the small villages do. You know, to, uh, survive the Winter?!

The Fish and Game experts said that to delay the fishing season would be greatly beneficial to the total fish supply for the State.

Well, the People of the small villages said *&#k this. They went on down to the rivers with their fish wheels, nets and such, at the same time of year they always have.
The Guvner called out the State Troopers. The State Troopers dutifully went to the Villages, and watched while the People did their Seasonal Fishing, screw what the Guvner ordered.

All in all the Troopers enjoyed a day off to hang out at the Rivers ;)

This is Alaska :D

Thank you
Mary

gormworm

12-06-2004, 12:43 PM

If civil war does come,I do not see it as Democrats vs Republicans,as both parties have long sought to control the people.Perhaps then it will be a rebellion of the freedom lovers vs big government after all,with some military siding with both sides.

Speaking as a Republican turned Libertarian ... I firmly believe that the past 2 presidential elections were rigged.
I say this even though I backed Bush when he ran the first time.

The fact that Gore "lost" the election, .. and he was not my candidate is irrelevant in my mind.

What IS important to me, is the appearance that we are no longer having actual elections in this country.
This is something that many Americans have all ready gotten very angry about.

As of yet,I see no catalyst for this event,but I can speculate that it will be one of two things. The first would be another major terror attack resulting in Martial law.....The second scenario has similar results,but with a major economic crash instigating the events.
I think the "catalyst" has all ready happened as far as an event that will drive Americans to revolt against the Federal Government and the news media.

Maybe there will be something that will be viewed, later on, as some kind of "flash point" for major violence.

I have personally witnessed the ATF arriving in armored vans, surrounding a house in Sparks, kicking down the doors and shattering the windows at 3 in the morning, and arresting a family of 5 (with children younger than 5 years old), .. and hauling all of them off, never to be seen by anyone again, without a warrant nor any "just cause" for the arrest.

I had insomnia one night while staying over at a girlfriend's place, and watched the entire event unfold while watching through her living room window.

There have been dozens of cases just like that one all over Reno, Sparks, Carson City, Fernley, and elsewhere in the local Nevada area.
These events are never written about in the Reno Gazette Journal, nor covered on television newscasts.
Although there are angry callers who sometimes make it on-air during the Bill Manders AM political talk show, and other call-in programs.
They always get cut off in the middle of a sentence once it becomes obvious what they are attempting to talk about.

Too many people are outraged over what they are learning about the real events of 9-11-2001.

Too many people are outraged about losing a son or daughter in the war in Iraq, ... and learning (in letters and e-mails from their son's & daughter's fellow warriors) that we are not being told the truth about what is going on over there.

Too many people are outraged about the "Patriot Act" and the rigged elections.

In many ways, ... the fighting has all ready begun on a small scale in some places.

Just like the heat being turned up on a frying pan as the meat begins to sizzle, ... the war will escalate over time.
John Titor told us that, .. in his world-line, .. the Civil War flared up and subsided over a 15 year period.

It will be interesting to see how the situation plays out over here.

gormworm

12-06-2004, 01:10 PM

The Guvner called out the State Troopers. The State Troopers dutifully went to the Villages, and watched while the People did their Seasonal Fishing, screw what the Guvner ordered.

All in all the Troopers enjoyed a day off to hang out at the Rivers

Here in Reno, we have a regiment of Russians who dress as American Marines stationed at the south end of the Reno / Tahoe International Airport, and in a military installation south/east of Sparks, and east of Reno.

I've encountered squads of 28 or so eating at some of the local buffets that offer all you can eat meals, with special discounts for groups of 2 people or more.

These Russians were on the streets in full riot gear on the day that Bush made his appearance at the Reno-Sparks Convention Center during the election campaign.
According to many people that I've spoken with while drinking coffee (and playing my DVD of "In Plane Site" on my portable DVD player at local coffee shops), ... there were arrests made by the Russian Marines on that day.

There's been nothing in the local news paper about this.
Why am I not surprised?

In the 1970's, a squad of National Guardsmen open fired on a collection of college students as they were walking between classes at Kent State University.

I hope we don't have a similar event take place at U.N.R. in the near future.

I've seen the Russian Marines on campus, drinking coffee and chatting with each other in Russian, .. in full military camo gear, loaded weapons and everything, while the college kids go about their business on campus.

No one seems to know what they're doing on campus, all suited up like that.

A sign of things to come?

gormworm

12-06-2004, 01:20 PM

I just found this thread, and have followed John Titor's story from way back. Sadly, I think the Civil War is coming, and wouldn't be surprised if indeed 2005 was the year...

I've purchased several acres of land out in the middle of the desert here in Nevada.
Little by little, I've been digging out & constructing an underground homestead, and stocking it up with canned food, bottled water, and shotguns.

I'm being very lazy about the rate at which I'm getting things done, though.

There's a part of me that believes that a civil war is inevitable,...
.. and there's a part of me simply that doesn't want to believe it.

The result is that I procrastinate on getting the preparations done too much.

If I'm in Reno when some kind of major police action takes place (which is likely, given the nature of the kind of luck I seem to have in life) ... then all of my preparations won't have any effect on my own personal state of being.
I'll be off to that underground "death camp" “train trench” installation that they've constructed in the subterranean levels beneath the old abandoned Sundowner and King's Castle Casinos here in Reno, ... and that will be "all she wrote" about me.

Fortunately, .. I've had a few friends working with me on the "war shelter".
Maybe they'll have better luck when it comes to surviving what may be coming.

We shall see ... (or not.)

maryals

12-06-2004, 03:55 PM

YIKES, I mean, what can I say? Russians in full Military Gear? Could you tell if this was U.S Military Gear or Russian?

I believe you. Just keep on tryin' to get the word out. Harking back to the 1960's, you, or someone who is totally concerned, will have to start publishing an "Underground Newspaper".

Buy an old copier, the new ones (so I've heard) have this chip inside that prints a code on each printed copy. This code can only be seen under a black light or something like that.

It may be very time consuming, but safer, to cut and paste words, letters and pictures from other printed material, onto paper and then copy that. Then shred and completely burn the scraps. And shred and burn the original.

It's something our Founding Father's would do today.

Thank you :)
Mary

maryals

12-06-2004, 03:59 PM

P.S. Do not EVER lick postage stamps or envelopes. Use a small sponge and distilled water. DNA can be traced.

OK so it shows, I am a big fan of CSI:Las Vegas and CSI:Miami. We would watch CSI:NewYork (I adore Gary Senise) but it runs opposite "Law and Order" :(

Thank you :D
Mary

Captain Beyond

12-07-2004, 12:06 AM

Myself,I have food ,water,guns,ammo etc,but no place for underground shelter as this piece of land I own is a few feet of soil covered by limestone rock,so I guess I'll fight on the surface ,worm!I have never been afraid to die,but I am afraid to live as less than human!As far as rigged elections,maybe so cause you do know that our future is managed,and your freedom is a joke!It has been so for many years!

CB :mad:

Noel

12-07-2004, 07:06 AM

Ever heard of dynamite? Work can be fun sometimes. :D

Dereka_k

12-07-2004, 10:37 AM

Harking back to the 1960's, you, or someone who is totally concerned, will have to start publishing an "Underground Newspaper".

Buy an old copier, the new ones (so I've heard) have this chip inside that prints a code on each printed copy. This code can only be seen under a black light or something like that.

It may be very time consuming, but safer, to cut and paste words, letters and pictures from other printed material, onto paper and then copy that. Then shred and completely burn the scraps. And shred and burn the original.

It's something our Founding Father's would do today.

Thank you :)
Mary

Sign me up. I'd take a secret subscription in a heartbeat, but such things have to be done in ultra secrecy. A friend of mine here was a big conspiracy buff and studied HAARP and TESLA. He was extremely critical of them and produced a small conspiracy newsletter. I mean this guy lived for this stuff and it almost consumed his every waking hour. Then suddenly one day a couple months ago he dropped everything and won't even speak about it. When asked he simply says "its not worth it"

He burned his computer and refers to the internet as the "worlds biggest wire tap" and falls silent and refuses to say anything else. If you ask me someone got to him and silenced him big time. What they threatened him with I may never know.

Myself,I have food ,water,guns,ammo etc,but no place for underground shelter as this piece of land I own is a few feet of soil covered by limestone rock,so I guess I'll fight on the surface ,worm!I have never been afraid to die,but I am afraid to live as less than human!As far as rigged elections,maybe so cause you do know that our future is managed,and your freedom is a joke!It has been so for many years!

I go on the occassional preparations kick and would be fine for a few weeks if all H*ll was to break loose in terms of food, water and basic survival if all services were suddenly disconnected. If the powers that be were to Raid my place due to strict gun laws I would not be able to mount much (if any resistance) so I would likely find myself in a government camp or one of the three billion liberated from this planet. I'm hoping that my knack for fading into the woodwork and looking unimportant would help me in the initial stages of the NWO take over.

I hope John Titor is wrong or just a hoax but looking at the state of the world, the obvious evidence of corruption and cover up, sadly, I strongly suspect he maybe right. Death doesn't scare me, the act of getting there is a bit disturbing but death itself is irrelevent. What does scare me, is the world our children and grand-children have ahead of them and what horrors I can see in their futures.

For now, quiet resistance and secret preparations are all any of us can do. Lets just hope its all just a bunch of conspiracy hooey cooked up by our over active imaginations. But I doubt it. For the sake of the children, I hope I'm wrong.

(as Silent Running by Mike and the Mechanics plays through my head)

D.

maryals

12-08-2004, 04:37 AM

Sign me up. I'd take a secret subscription in a heartbeat, but such things have to be done in ultra secrecy. A friend of mine here was a big conspiracy buff and studied HAARP and TESLA. He was extremely critical of them and produced a small conspiracy newsletter. I mean this guy lived for this stuff and it almost consumed his every waking hour. Then suddenly one day a couple months ago he dropped everything and won't even speak about it. When asked he simply says "its not worth it"

He burned his computer and refers to the internet as the "worlds biggest wire tap" and falls silent and refuses to say anything else. If you ask me someone got to him and silenced him big time. What they threatened him with I may never know.

I go on the occassional preparations kick and would be fine for a few weeks if all H*ll was to break loose in terms of food, water and basic survival if all services were suddenly disconnected. If the powers that be were to Raid my place due to strict gun laws I would not be able to mount much (if any resistance) so I would likely find myself in a government camp or one of the three billion liberated from this planet. I'm hoping that my knack for fading into the woodwork and looking unimportant would help me in the initial stages of the NWO take over.

I hope John Titor is wrong or just a hoax but looking at the state of the world, the obvious evidence of corruption and cover up, sadly, I strongly suspect he maybe right. Death doesn't scare me, the act of getting there is a bit disturbing but death itself is irrelevent. What does scare me, is the world our children and grand-children have ahead of them and what horrors I can see in their futures.

For now, quiet resistance and secret preparations are all any of us can do. Lets just hope its all just a bunch of conspiracy hooey cooked up by our over active imaginations. But I doubt it. For the sake of the children, I hope I'm wrong.

(as Silent Running by Mike and the Mechanics plays through my head)

D.

Total Bummer about your friend :( :mad:

What can I say?

There is NOTHING that anyone can threaten me with. Money? Keep it. Skeletons in my closet or bodies buried in my back yard? Here's the shovel. Death? The murder is on your soul while I sit comfy in Heaven.

Threaten to do something to my family/friends. Uh, Bubbas, that is YOUR choice and doing, not mine. I do NOT buy into that threat, "It will be your fault, if you don't stop, we will have no choice but to harm your family/friends."

I answer to a Higher Authority.

Ooooops, :o I'll get off the Soap Box......

Total Bummer about your friend :mad:

Gummer

12-08-2004, 08:35 AM

Don't get too bummed out about an *imaginary time travler*...it's a good story!

INHO, Some people love alarmists! There are other threads that will lend truth to my statement...

Dereka_k

12-08-2004, 09:54 PM

Total Bummer about your friend :( :mad:

What can I say?

There is NOTHING that anyone can threaten me with. Money? Keep it. Skeletons in my closet or bodies buried in my back yard? Here's the shovel. Death? The murder is on your soul while I sit comfy in Heaven.

Threaten to do something to my family/friends. Uh, Bubbas, that is YOUR choice and doing, not mine. I do NOT buy into that threat, "It will be your fault, if you don't stop, we will have no choice but to harm your family/friends."

I answer to a Higher Authority.

Ooooops, :o I'll get off the Soap Box......

Total Bummer about your friend :mad:

It does kind of suck. I have no idea who got to him or what he was threatened with.

Personally, if the tables were turned I don't know if it would work. I guess it would depend on what weight they had on me. If the only victim was me, I would say "bring it on", but if the lives of others hung in the balance, especially if they could prove their ability to carry through on the threat, I'm not sure if I would back off or not.

But at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing I struck a nerve and scared them enough that they thought they had to stop me before I hurt or exposed their web of lies and corruption.

D.

gormworm

02-04-2005, 02:07 PM

• 9-11 done by our own government?

• Swartzenegger elected governor of California in order to help Ken Lay and Enron escape with $9 billion of California resident's money?

• Discussion on the floor of Congress to change the Constitution's guide-lines, .. allowing Swartzenegger to run for president in 2008?

• Terrorist beheadings in Iraq being performed by folks impersonating Islamic Fundamentalists (and doing it badly) .. while folks analyzing the photos and videos say that the location where the beheadings are taking place is the Abu Graibe prison?

Are we beginning to see a pattern emerging here, ... as time goes by?

Is the future of a bloody Civil War in North America described by John Titor becoming inevitable?

gormworm

04-30-2005, 05:43 AM

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gormworm

10-09-2005, 02:11 PM

The story posted in bold sounds like something straight out of John Titor's coming American Civil War.

http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r100799g.shtml

WHO ARE THE DRACONIANS?
Case Files of Branton
archived 10-07-99
Archive file# r100799g
donated by James Vandale

CASE FILE #28
From: Jim T.
{a post as it appeared on an e-mailing discussion list which will remain confidential...}
Suggested Title: "THE HAMMER OF TIME"...

[Intro: The following is a very unusual post, as if the subject of "reptilians" is not unusual enough, THIS post deals with apparent temporal manipulation such as that being experimented with by the Montauk projects -- which the 'Draconian' forces based below the Gizeh plateau reportedly have a strong investement in.

Some have suggested that with all of the temporal causality violations taking place in our time or world-line, linear 'reality' as we know it will eventually begin to dissolve into a multi-linear reality somewhat in-between a reality-scape and a dream-scape, or rather the very foundations of the linear third dimension as we percieve it will begin to fluxuate. So genetic, psychological, fraternal, political, and economic manipulation is apparently not the only form of "intervention" that the Dracos have been involved with. It is said that earth's unique electromagnetic grid allows for the possibility of strange temporal manipulations, and even alternate "time branches". The clincher is that there is only so much energy to go around in that -- like a tree -- all "time branches" feed off of the same BASE or TRUNK... so the more "branches" that exist the less energy there is to go around.

Apparently the Montauk Project and its Draconian overseers have generated several alternate history lines, some having failed to aquire full material manifestation... in essence liquifying into fourth dimensional ectoplasmic realities, whereas others possess the necessary collective psionic/psychic energy focus to convert subatomic energy-waves into matter-particles.

There are claims that THIS area of the galaxy surrounding planet earth is MUCH OLDER than surrounding sectors, due to the various alternate time-line "replays", and that even THIS worldline is not the original... i.e. that much temporal manipulation has occured... for instance Naval Philadelphian Montauk agents going back in time from an original[?] worldline in order to stop Germany from winning the 2nd World War, and renegade Pleiadeans, etc., -- who were actually descended from German/Nordic space colonists in the original worldline -- coming back to help Hitler in THIS worldline defeat the Normandy invasion... which they failed to do, however they DID succeed in helping the Germans infiltrate America and take over the Montauk Projects by taking over the NSA/CIA.

According to some "Montauk" researchers, John F. Kennedy lived to a good old age in an "earlier" timeline and once he discovered the Nazi infiltration of the Montauk Projects and the involvement of Draconian Reptiloids, Rigelian Greys and Sirian-B/Aldeberon Aryans, he came down HARD on the project, but not before several Thule-Society agents were able to escape back in time and assassinate Kennedy [many unusual paranormal events were involved with the JFK murder].
There are also claims that other "aliens" came back from the future of the ORIGINAL worldline and wiped out most of the earth's population via biological warfare... thank God we are not living in THAT dimension. However these "aliens" [genetic hybrids from the original worldline's FUTURE] ARE reportedly very involved in THIS worldline... some have our best interests at stake, whereas others DO NOT. Anyway, in order to keep from going insane with confusion, it might be easier to view time as a TREE rather than a LINE.

Even though other time or world-lines may exist, they are still nevertheless part of the same METAVERSAL REALITY [tree]. Montauk agents admit that in order to change the history of one "timebranch" they would have to change all branches simultaneously, which is apparently impossible. It is said that the energy grid of planet earth [which is UNIQUE in the universe] can only energize half a dozen or so THIRD DENSITY [or third density FACET] worldlines... as it takes energy to maintain a linear/material reality... above and beyond this, reality becomes a bit "slippery", as the ENERGY/matter ratio drifts more to the ENERGY side. It is said that there is at least ONE worldline that is even more dense/linear than THIS one, one in which one does not encounter a multiplicity of Fortean-type paranormal manifestations, phenomena which is apparently the resulting factor of a reality that has experienced major temporal cuasality violation and manipulation... and as a result many believe that THIS worldline will begin to drift into a more energized multilinear reality in or around the year 2012...

The following is apparently ONE of the MAJOR efforts on the part of the Alien/Human Montauk agenda to generate a worldline through temporal manipulation... one involving a Nuclear attack on American soil in the fall [Nov.] of 1997. There were several prophecies of this occurance, however most now say that it did NOT. But there have been OTHERS besides Jim [see following post] who claim to have encountered this alternate reality... one in which the DRACO interventionists are apparently implicated to the core. Some may have the feeling that they are existing in one or more "dimensions" simultaneously. Could THIS explain such feelings? The human soul can only produce so much energy, and like the energy grid of planet earth itself the human soul can only exist in so many dimensions at once before it is "spread too thin"... however more subtle levels of our soul can apparently interact with "weaker" event-lines.

As I said there are reportedly only half a dozen or so ACTUALITY LINES... then there are the more energized PROBABILITY LINES [quasi-3d realities], the POSSIBILITY LINES [ectoplasmic realities], and GHOST LINES [dream pools or used up possibility - probability - actuality lines... may become activated on an ectoplasmic level as collective human conscious energy focus breathes "life" into them].

Because of a lack of linear solidity the more energized lines may seem like dreamscapes without any major linear consistency. They may seem so simply because that is exactly what they ARE, astral dream pools where dreamers interact on a more collective unconscious level via psionic "long waves" as they descend into the deeper levels of consciousness during sleep.

But enough of this postulating. As I stated, several claim to have had interactions with the following parallel reality. The question would be, did time-agents go back into the past to CREATE or to PREVENT this nuclear attack in the fall of 1997? If you are one who desires to be part of a universe that you can put in a box and fully comprehend, then such discussions of a multi-faceted holographic reality may not be for you. I do not believe in infinite ACTUALITY lines as depicted in the SLIDERS series [SCI-FI channel] however I do suspect that if there are any muti-dimensional imperialistic parasites that could be equivicated to the "Cromags" in that series, it would be the DRACOS... Here is the post as it was sent to me:

I am forwarding two posts (this is the first one) that Jim and I have written so others who did not have a chance to see this can know what Jim and I are going through. regards, [***]

[SNIP]

Hi Everyone,
I have been waiting to see if anybody else on the list may have experienced something similar. I don't want to put thoughts in others heads though.
This was not a dream, it was not a obe, it was real, it did happen.
And Dracos are real and they bleed red blood.

I can't explain it, I don't know how it happened or why. All I know is it did happen. It was three weeks ago, and I still have mixed feeling about posting it here. But here goes. I climbed to the roof of the building I was working on. (Rebuilding and expanding the capacity of a silo that stores plastic pellets at [*** *** ***] Inc. in Evansville IN.)
When I got to the top I felt dizzy, and disoriented, for a few seconds. (I thought I was having another numbness attack that I told [***] I've been having) I grabbed hold of a pipe to get my balance. When I felt stable again, I looked around, everything had changed.

gormworm

10-09-2005, 02:12 PM

The sky was grey and smoky looking, buildings all around me were either demolished or still smoldering from fire. There were cars on the hiway out front, wrecked or just abandoned, there were bodys, some still smoldering laying everywhere. It was sickening.

I just stood there, looking in amazement. I was trying to figure out if I had missed something, or if I was dreaming. But I WAS there, my truck was gone, and so was Lee. All my tools, welding leads, torches, and material were gone. And then I realized that the bins that I was working on were finished. I opened the lid of the one I was working on at the time and it was half full of material. It was then that I realized that I must be in the future.

I began to look for something with a date on it so I could find out where exactly I was. (If I was in the future) I then realized that it was colder than it was a few seconds ago. Then I hear a roar that sound like trucks and tracks clanking, (Like a bulldozer). It was an armored column of military vehicles coming down the hiway towards where I was. I then heard shooting, machine guns and small arms fire. The armored column was surrounding the building where I was. It was then that I realized that the factory where I was working was not damaged. As a matter of fact it was still in operation. (I could here the hammer mill still running) What ever the soldiers were shooting at was inside the building I was on. And somebody was shooting back.

There were two tanks in this column, one of them pulled up right in front of this building, and began firing into it. The whole building shook. Then the black craft came, triangular. I saw it but I didn't believe it, It made a high pitched noise and the tank in front of the building that was firing, exploded. But these soldiers knew what they were doing. One of the wheeled armored vehicles took off across the open field, and this craft began to follow it.

As it went past the rest of the soldiers, five of them jumped up from the ditch with, what I think were stinger missiles, (Shoulder mounts) and fired simultaneously at the craft. The explosion hurt my ears, but they did knock it down, and it crashed into the field.

Note from gormworm:
If a war breaks out between American military forces that are loyal to the American constitution ... and the American Shadow Government / Military Industrial Complex ... (who posses the underground bases and reverse engineered extraterrestrial technology) ... then battles like the one described here will, .. very likely, .. take place.

(They all began to cheer) but not for long. The other tank then appeared from nowhere and began firing its big gun at it rapidly until there was nothing left of it.
I was very confused watching all of this from the roof. Then I heard more vehicles coming. They were soldiers too. I first thought it was reinforcements, but they began to fight each other. Now I was totally confused. And there was still someone shooting from inside the building I was on. I felt that I was in the middle of this, and didn't really know what side I was on. I felt it better to stay hidden until I could sort things out. I was looking for a safer place when I remember that they had kept a delivery log for the rail cars coming in with materials, in the control room right below me. So I decided to go down and see if I could find a date.

I climbed down the ladder on the side of the bin, and stepped through the door to the control room. There was no one in there and I found the log. The last shipment that was recorded was dated monday, Oct. 6, 97.

Note from gormworm: John Titor told us that different worldlines can very greatly the further away you get from the junction point between timelines. John Lear once mentioned that a "correction" is done from time to time by the branch of the American Military Industrial Complex that has the time travel technology ... correcting and changing the outcome of events that take history in a direction that does not come out in their favor.

Perhaps, ... if all of this is not simply disinformation, ... this American Civil War has broken out before, .. in a different timeline / worldline.
One where the war was raging in 1997.

Perhaps we are in a timeline / worldline where another "correction" has been made.
Perhaps we are in a timeline / worldline where a new American Civil War will not break out sometime towards the end of 2005.

Then again, ...

But the calendar on the wall was turned to Nov. 97, so I had no Idea what day it actually was. From where I was, I could see the whole production floor, but I could see no-one moving anywhere. I decided I was safer on the roof where I was, so I climbed back up the bin ladder and hid behind a wall where I could see better.

The roof was covered with a layer of ash, I first thought it was a covering of light snow. (It was cold enough) I assumed the ash was from burning buildings. As I was looking at the ash I could see my foot prints where I had walked. And then I felt the hair on the back of my neck stand up, as I realized there were other foot prints also, (over mine) I realized I was not alone on the roof.

But these footprints were different, they were long and narrow. I followed them with my eyes, to see where they went. I didn't have to look far. There he was, (I think it was a he) standing about ten feet from me, but he did not see me. It was a draco, like the ones I saw at epcot [Note: 'Jim' saw such a creature in an astral-type experience, although THIS experience he claims was NOT an astral trip - ed.]. I could feel the adrenaline running through my body. My first thought was to hide, but there was nowhere to hide. And nowhere to run.

I looked to see if he had a weapon, but I couldn't see any. Then from deep within me I felt a rage, a rage like I never had felt before. I wanted to kill him. [Apparently responding to the reports that he had heard about on 'the list' in the past concerning what the Draco do to people that they have abducted to their underground 'concentration camps' on earth. - ed.] Before I could even think, I found myself standing up and walking toward him. He turned and saw me, (I didn't think they showed emotion, but when he saw me, I saw fear in his reptile looking face.) But then I saw his eyes, they were snake eyes, and they looked mean.

When I looked at his eyes, I felt as if he was looking right through me. Now I have been in a number of bar room brawls, and I could always tell when someone was going try to sucker punch me, by there eyes. (It don't work with dracos!)
That sucker nailed me and I didn't even see it coming. I'm not even sure if he even hit me physically, it felt more like a shock wave. Now I've been knocked down enough in fights, that I know if you don't get back up fast your done. So I sprung up and lunged at him. I caught him off balance, I don't think he expected that. I went for his throat. I have found that if you cut off a persons air supply they come around to your way of thinking pretty fast. But when I gabbed his skinny, but hard as rock throat, I felt as if I had grabbed a pineapple. And as he moved I could feel it cutting my hands. I figured I could handle the pain a lot longer than he could go without air. But as I was squeezing with all of my strength on his throat, he put his hands on my chest, and threw me back. I couldn't hold on.

I could tell from this that I was no match for him without a weapon. And I had none. And I knew I had to stay in control, and show no fear. I didn't want to lunge at him again, cause the last time hurt. But I lunged again, this time I double my fist, and went for his eyes. But I found out that dracos have sharp eyelids too.

I was beginning to doubt that I could hurt him. And then he spoke, "What's wrong warrior, have you under estimated your enemy?"
I knew he was right, but I answered, "I wasn't sure you were the enemy, but thanks for straightening that fact out for me."

Then I felt the rage building inside again, so I lunged again, this time I hit him as hard as I could, in the side of the head. I think it stunned him, but not for long. Again he threw me back, this time I slid backward against the exhaust fan from the building. As I tried to get up, he dove on top of me and said, "Now you die for your bad judgment."

He felt a lot heavier than he looked, I could not throw him off. I thought I was about to die. But then I saw my eastwing hammer, it was hanging on the inside of the vent cover. I reached up and grabbed it. And swung it as hard as I could at his head. When I hit him he squealed like a hog. His body went limp, and I rolled him off of me. Then I kept hitting him just to be sure. They are reptiles, they do have yellow pupils in their snake eyes, and yes they do die. When I looked up to see what was going on out in the road, the second bunch of soldiers, were still fighting the first ones I saw. (These were two groups of US soldiers.) I decided it was about time for me to get the hell out of Dodge, so I climbed down my ladder and was going to try to get away, and find out what was going on. When I got to the bottom I felt this dizziness again.

I turned and my truck, and Lee were there. And everything was as it was before. I asked him if he had seen anything, and he said no. And asked me what was going on, and what had happened. I said how long was I gone. and he told me I had just went up the ladder, and then came right back down. Then he asked what happen to my hands. (They were bleeding bad from the cuts.) I told him I did not know, I must have cut them on the ladder. He looked at me kind of disbelieving and asked what the white stuff was, that I had all over me. I said I did not know. (but it was the ash from the roof.)

gormworm

10-09-2005, 02:33 PM

When I finished the job, three days later, I took my eastwing hammer, and hung it on the exhaust fan cover on the roof. And that's where it will stay, I don't know how it got there when I needed it, but I was taking no chances. (If it weren't for safety factors, I would go exchange my hammer for a 44 Mag. Might save me from cutting my hands.)
Now, if someone could possibly explain this to me, I would be in their debt. I have mixed feelings about this, at first I felt it was a mind control trick to confuse me, and the list. But since, I have had dreams, and obe's, that make me feel this is real. (And also some cuts on my hands.) [***] and I believe others on this list were in these dreams. I have been waiting to see if anyone else would post something about this.
One question for [***], was I in danger, could this Draco have killed me? What would have happened, would I have just disappeared, or fallen off of that ladder dead? Just one of many questions.

The only thing that I know for sure is, don't hit a dracos without gloves on, because it hurts.
Jim {Note: Steven Gibb and a woman named 'Tianca' also claim to have encountered this reality, Gibb astrally and Tianca physically, via mental transposition. The astral realm seems to be the major NEXUS between all parallel realities, both natural & artificial...}

Ninjutsu

10-30-2005, 08:33 AM

IMHO and Based on Research - Etc...

The John Titor Time Travel Stuff is Nothing but SciFi Disinformation about Time and Space

It is as Simple yet Complex as That

--- Ninja

Topper

10-31-2005, 01:06 AM

wonder why two STS shuttles recorded some odd flying machine using hyperspace
jump gates if time travel isn't possible. Seem to me Nasa's cameras don't lie.

I have a partial explanation ... when those flying dark triangles form a larger
triangle for the 4th one to escape thru it might be more of a combined effort
in advanced stealth technology and less of a star gate.

Topper

10-31-2005, 01:08 AM

on the topic of nanotube elevators ... why bother as it only validates its our technology
being used by our future children as recorded by satellite cameras and Nasa.

Once again I suggest that we come from the future to correct the past in the present,
all because NASA has it recorded as so.

Ninjutsu

11-01-2005, 03:12 AM

Once again I suggest that we come from the future to correct the past in the present, all because NASA has it recorded as so.

A Question - Do you believe in Disinformation?

I could Say More...

But - Less is More - Right?

--- Ninja

gormworm

11-04-2005, 02:23 PM

IMHO and Based on Research - Etc...

The John Titor Time Travel Stuff is Nothing but SciFi Disinformation about Time and Space

It is as Simple yet Complex as That

--- Ninja

”A lie is best hidden in between two truths.”
-- Morgan & Wong / X-Files

• In 2001, Art Bell had on a guest who claimed to be a physicist working on R & D time travel technology for a company under contract to the U. S. navy.
This guest described a field of “blackness” that surrounded the area of an object as it was being “projected” forward or backward through time.
I wish I could remember the exact date of that broadcast.
The guest has since become “unavailable” for Art to have interviews with him.

• In the early Mel’s Hole interview / broadcasts with Art Bell, ... Mel Waters described a “shaft of black light” that was occasionally projected skyward out of the hole from time to time.
This was said to be like a light beam, ... made up of ”an absence of light”.

• John Titor has described the field that surrounds his time travel device, .. when it is operating, .. as a field of blackness, ... an intense absence of light.

This description of a “blackness / absence of light” field has turned up in quite a number of “E.T. abduction” narratives as well.

Truth? ... or Disinformation?

If the time travel tale of John Titor is nothing more than disinformation, ... it still appears to contain a great deal of valid information, that corroborates other “stories” that are out there.

Project

11-04-2005, 02:38 PM

”A lie is best hidden in between two truths.”
-- Morgan & Wong / X-Files

• In 2001, Art Bell had on a guest who claimed to be a physicist working on R & D time travel technology for a company under contract to the U. S. navy.
This guest described a field of “blackness” that surrounded the area of an object as it was being “projected” forward or backward through time.
I wish I could remember the exact date of that broadcast.
The guest has since become “unavailable” for Art to have interviews with him.

• In the early Mel’s Hole interview / broadcasts with Art Bell, ... Mel Waters described a “shaft of black light” that was occasionally projected skyward out of the hole from time to time.
This was said to be like a light beam, ... made up of ”an absence of light”.

• John Titor has described the field that surrounds his time travel device, .. when it is operating, .. as a field of blackness, ... an intense absence of light.

This description of a “blackness / absence of light” field has turned up in quite a number of “E.T. abduction” narratives as well.

Truth? ... or Disinformation?

If the time travel tale of John Titor is nothing more than disinformation, ... it still appears to contain a great deal of valid information, that corroborates other “stories” that are out there.
If wormholes existed, this is how I would picture them, you would not 'see' the tunnel/hole, you would see nothing, since all light would be absorbed into it... but, this is hard to imagine how that could work without affecting anything except light... light is matter, and so all matter should be affected... but, forgetting the science, it seems plausible :)

gormworm

11-04-2005, 04:42 PM

Somewhere in the Project Montawk material that I've collected, ... there is a passage that talks about how J. F. K. :

• Successfully ended America's involvement in the Viet Nam conflict in 1965,

• Broke the C. I. A. / N. S. A. into 5 organizations that were answerable to the office of the President, as well as the elected Congress and Senate (with certain provisions for "closed door" governmental discussions),

• Revealed the fact that emissaries from extraterrestrial races were (and are) interacting with individuals in, .. and governments of, .. nations all over the world.
Photographs, recordings, movies, and hard physical evidence were made available to the American public (and the public of the world) by presidential order,

• Inadvertently sparked off an "underground war" between "resident extraterrestrials" and armies from different nations, .. by revealing the presence of these "aliens" and their secret underground cities, ... allowing people to discover, for themselves where these underground cities and their human lobotomized/robot/missing person/human slave populations were located in North America and other places in the world.

AFTER all of these events took place, ... the N.W.O. (New World Order) and the American M. I. C. (Military Industrial Complex) went BACK IN TIME and assassinated J. F. K. in order to un-do all of these things, ... leaving the world in the state that we find it in now.

I wish I could find and post the passage ....

Oh well.

Project

11-05-2005, 01:27 AM

Topper

11-05-2005, 12:46 PM

there are no words to describe what its like to be repeatedly threaten
and discredited on this topic after reading the classified documentation.

Let it be known the government hides more than they show! ;)

Ninjutsu

11-07-2005, 04:02 AM

Let it be known the government hides more than they show!

Operation: Cover Up

--- Ninja

maryals

11-10-2005, 12:42 AM

Ninjutsu

11-10-2005, 11:53 PM

Since The Topic is John Titor/Time Travel/American Civil War 2005 I may as well add The Following:

The John Titor BS may be ET Disinformation and Deception compliments of The ET Group known as The Federation aka The Red Dragon and Company aka SPECTRE

And

Direct Contact may or may not occur by The End of 2005

How do I Know?

I did some Time Traveling via reading certain verses in Chapter 7 in The Book of Daniel of The Bible

Hmmmmmmmmm

Did I ever mention that I am into Bible Translation and Interpretation as well as Code Breaking and The End Times?

Special Notation: The Book of Daniel is really interesting to read at this point in time and space since it is about The End Times

Favorite Saying of The Moment: The Time is Now

--- Ninja

gormworm

11-15-2005, 03:05 PM

That IS intersting... I would love to see a summary of this material since I am not very educated on it beyond C2C stuff... what do I not know about what you know gorm? What sources do you consider credible? I know you have a good angle, but I have trouble putting my finger on it all...

I don’t consider anything that I’m exposed to (second hand information) to be completely credible.

I once spent an evening discussing “hypothetical” situations where-in the C.I.A. might be using applications of “alien technology” in covert projects in America and abroad with an uncle who was a retired C.I.A. agent.

At one point, he went into talking about a situation that was identical to something that I, myself personally experienced back in the early 1970’s, ... with insights into how a specific technology could have been used to create the situation.

I looked at him intently, ... and asked him if this is what had actually happened or not.

He looked back at me, and simply said that, ... if he were in a position to actually know that this is what had happened, ... he would not be alive, sitting in the room, and discussing the situation with me right then.

”The agency preemptively eliminates the possibility of this kind of security leak.”

What sources do you consider credible?

I considered BRANTON to be very credible in many ways.
I’m still morning the loss.
Even though I never met him.

Michio Kaku, Preston Nicols, Al Bielek, Stephen Hawking, and a physicist who was under contract to the U.S. Navy and was interviewed by Art Bell sometime between 2000 and the spring of 2001 (and has since disappeared according to Art) have all corroborated John Titor’s technical statements concerning the technology of time travel as being the most likely manner in which effective, controlled time travel can be accomplished.

(In answer to comments made by others) I have never heard Michio Kaku debunk John Titor's technical explanation of the nature of controlled time travel.
Quite the opposite.
The science behind Titor's statements appears to be quite sound.

As a matter of fact, .. it was Michio Kaku’s statement concerning the ”creation of a dimensional time bubble, ... using an artificially created worm hole, ... providing the added bonus of another dimension, ... an alternate reality time-line branching off in a new direction with a different series of events, ... originating from the point of creation” that immediately preceded Q-Flux’es posting of the John Titor website links (at the other place) .. that introduced me to the whole John Titor story in the first place.

Apparently, ... George Noory picked up on the posted discussion, ... and followed my suggestion of getting the John Titor web site web master as a guest on C2C.
Which lead to one of George’s largest late night audiences ever.

If this is not the case, ... then I am wrong. ;)

In any event, ... I find that there is a great deal of corroborative, valid, REAL material contained in ”the Time Travel Story of John Titor”.
Despite the simple fact that I am not in a position to know, for certain, that any of the material is actually “true” or not.

gormworm

11-15-2005, 03:11 PM

Since The Topic is John Titor/Time Travel/American Civil War 2005 I may as well add The Following:

The John Titor BS may be ET Disinformation and Deception compliments of The ET Group known as The Federation aka The Red Dragon and Company aka SPECTRE

A caller made a reference to what sounds like a branch of the Red Dragon Society during Art Bell's interview of Preston Nicols that was re-broadcast on my birthday. :D

If I get the chance, ... I'm tempted to do a GOOGLE search of the term that the caller asked Nicols about, ... and post a discussion on what comes up.

Ninjutsu

11-16-2005, 12:40 PM

I don’t consider anything that I’m exposed to (second hand information) to be completely credible.

- Cool

In any event, ... I find that there is a great deal of corroborative, valid, REAL material contained in ”the Time Travel Story of John Titor”.

- Did I mention that The John Titor Time Travel Story is basically SciFi BS and Disinformation?

Despite the simple fact that I am not in a position to know, for certain, that any of the material is actually “true” or not.

- Did I mention that Covert Contact is In Progress and that Direct Contact is Imminent?

Hmmmmmmmmm

Enough Said for Now...

Within the Quote - Thanx

--- Ninja

Ninjutsu

11-16-2005, 01:05 PM

A caller made a reference to what sounds like a branch of The Red Dragon Society during Art Bell's interview of Preston Nicols that was re-broadcast on my birthday. :D

- Did I mention that Some ETs are Coasties?

- And

- Did I mention that The ETs have been into The Entertainment Biz for Over Thirty Years?

- And

- Happy Birthday - Late

If I get the chance, ... I'm tempted to do a GOOGLE search of the term that the caller asked Nicols about, ... and post a discussion on what comes up.

What Term?

--- Ninja

Ninjutsu

11-16-2005, 01:20 PM

I don’t consider anything that I’m exposed to (second hand information) to be completely credible.

Michio Kaku, Preston Nicols, Al Bielek, Stephen Hawking, and a physicist who was under contract to the U.S. Navy and was interviewed by Art Bell sometime between 2000 and the spring of 2001 (and has since disappeared according to Art) have all corroborated John Titor’s technical statements concerning the technology of time travel as being the most likely manner in which effective, controlled time travel can be accomplished.

(In answer to comments made by others) I have never heard Michio Kaku debunk John Titor's technical explanation of the nature of controlled time travel.

Quite the opposite.

The science behind Titor's statements appears to be quite sound.

As a matter of fact, .. it was Michio Kaku’s statement concerning the ”creation of a dimensional time bubble, ... using an artificially created worm hole, ... providing the added bonus of another dimension, ... an alternate reality time-line branching off in a new direction with a different series of events, ... originating from the point of creation” that immediately preceded Q-Flux’es posting of the John Titor website links (at the other place) .. that introduced me to the whole John Titor story in the first place.

Question - Do you know what words come to mind whenever I hear the name Michio Kaku?

Answer - Private Sector Disinformation

--- Ninja

gormworm

11-17-2005, 08:31 PM

If I get the chance, ... I'm tempted to do a GOOGLE search of the term that the caller asked Nicols about, ... and post a discussion on what comes up.

What Term?

--- Ninja

"the 9 RULERS of the WHITE LODGE"
... in reference to aliens / GODs having control over human world governments.

My first GOOGLE search for that term yielded some very interesting material / links.
I got the best results when searching without the "s.

gormworm

11-17-2005, 08:41 PM

A caller made a reference to what sounds like a branch of The Red Dragon Society during Art Bell's interview of Preston Nicols that was re-broadcast on my birthday.

- Did I mention that Some ETs are Coasties?
I'm told that I'm one of them. .... I'm also told that I was born into this world not knowing that I'm a human-alien hybrid ET.
As the great philosopher Robert Crumb once said: "It's all a colossal joke ... and WE'RE the punch line."
I suppose, ... if I actually knew for certain that I'm a human-alien hybrid, ... the joke wouldn't be quite as funny to the all seeing / all knowing jokester who stuck me, .. and all the rest of us here.

Oh well.

- And

- Did I mention that The ETs have been into The Entertainment Biz for Over Thirty Years?

- And

- Happy Birthday - Late

Ninjutsu

11-18-2005, 12:53 AM

"the 9 RULERS of the WHITE LODGE"
... in reference to aliens / GODs having control over human world governments.

My first GOOGLE search for that term yielded some very interesting material / links.
I got the best results when searching without the "s.

The Great White Lodge

The Great White Brotherhood

And

Lucifer and Company are known as White Eagles

Special Notation One: According to various sources Angels are called Eagles

Special Notation Two: Some Sources say that Lucifer and Company are also known as The White Triad which is also called by other sources The StarTriad

Hmmmmmmmmm

I guess all this kind of information should go in The Full Disclosure Thread

Enough Said for Now - Thanx

--- Ninja

Ninjutsu

11-18-2005, 01:01 AM

I'm told that I'm one of them. .... I'm also told that I was born into this world not knowing that I'm a human-alien hybrid ET.
As the great philosopher Robert Crumb once said: "It's all a colossal joke ... and WE'RE the punch line."
I suppose, ... if I actually knew for certain that I'm a human-alien hybrid, ... the joke wouldn't be quite as funny to the all seeing / all knowing jokester who stuck me, .. and all the rest of us here.

Oh well.

They say they walk Among Us...

They are Right

The Seven Life Waves and The End Times

Indigo Children and Crystal Children

Plus

Incarnates

Reincarnates

And

Nonincarnates

Hmmmmmmmmm

I guess all this kind of information should go in The Full Disclosure Thread

Enough Said for Now - Thanx

--- Ninja

circledancer

12-10-2005, 05:54 AM

If ET's have been in the Biz for over 30 years, why does it suk so bad? You would think they would bring something new and fresh to the table, are they trying too reduce us to mental jello with all this mindless nonsense we see anymore?
Is that the plan? We will all be so lost in the sauce from the ' crap spew' that is the media today, that we will be too ignorant and self absorbed to stand against them?
Or do they just like messing with the goofy humans? or is it part of the conditioning program to get us ready for their big ' coming out' party? Please, I am so curious...fill me in!

Ninjutsu

12-10-2005, 04:43 PM

Captain Beyond

12-10-2005, 05:11 PM

That wans't a very nice response Ninja! Sorry to call you out on that but hey, CD was just asking for clarification. We are all family here and sure we disagree, but please consider everyone's else's feelings!

Sorry, not coming down on you, but never assume that anyone else here is where you are or think you are. We are all just searching for truth, myself included!

CB

circledancer

12-10-2005, 05:12 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm

Your Questions are Not Worth Answering because of The Way in which You Asked Them.

--- Ninja
Fair enough, I will seek anwsers elsewhere.......

Alpha

12-10-2005, 05:40 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm

Your Questions are Not Worth Answering because of The Way in which You Asked Them

And

The End Time Plan and Agenda has already been posted on The Board

Have a Nice Day

--- Ninja

Ninja......your judgemental response here is totally inappropriate IMHO.

I'm sure many could comment on the content and mannerism of your, mine or anyone elses posts, how we ask what we seek, what we write etc.

If you don't like someone's post or how they have articulated it, you have the choice to answer it or not...however stating that "it's not worth answering" is hurtful to say the least......not nice and I think you owe CD an apology.

As CB stated, we're all in different stages of knowledge, understanding, enlightenment etc., however most here are here because we seek to learn, understand and find the truth.

Let's not judge and put someone down, just becaue they are not where we are...or better yet, where we think we are...it's all about intent and understanding....or atleast it should be.

Ninjutsu

12-10-2005, 07:54 PM

If ET's have been in the Biz for over 30 years, why does it suk so bad?

--- Who says that The Biz Sux - You?

--- Is that your humble opinion or do you speak for The Entire Human Race?

--- Please be Advised that you do not speak for Me - Thanx

You would think they would bring something new and fresh to the table, are they trying too reduce us to mental jello with all this mindless nonsense we see anymore?

--- Mental Jello?

--- Mindless Nonsense?

--- Is that just your humble opinion or do you speak for The Entire Human Race?

--- Please be Advised that you do not speak for me and I personally see a variety of programming that is better now than it was Thirty Years Ago

Is that the plan?

--- The End Time Plan and Agenda has already been posted on The Board but since you asked about The End Time Plan and Agenda it is encoded in the verses of The Book of Daniel of The Bible

We will all be so lost in the sauce from the ' crap spew' that is the media today, that we will be too ignorant and self absorbed to stand against them?

--- You are Joking - Right?

--- Speak for Yourself - Not Me - Thanx

--- And

--- For Your Information: The Federation or The Alliance WarCraft of The Warrior Race of Atlantis can wipe out any section of The Earth from Orbit

--- Stand Against Them - LOL

--- Special Notation: That kind of information is in various programming of what you call The Crap Spew of The Entertainment Media

Or do they just like messing with the goofy humans?

--- Goofy Humans?

--- Again - Speak for Yourself - Not Me - Thanx

or is it part of the conditioning program to get us ready for their big ' coming out' party?

--- The Big Coming Out Party?

--- Hmmmmmmmmm

--- Direct Contact is not An Option

--- Direct Contact is Imminent

--- And

--- Direct Contact will take place in The Near Future

Please, I am so curious...fill me in!

--- Your Questions have been Answered

--- Have a Nice Day

The Answers to The Circle Questions are in The Quote

Plus

For Your Information: Armageddon and The Final Count Down are In Progress

That Said - Enough Said - Thanx

--- Ninja

Captain Beyond

12-10-2005, 08:08 PM

Well Ninja, that is your opinion, but everyone doesn't always agree on everything. It doesn't mean that they have personal issues with you or anyone else, it just means that they are on their own quest for truth, a very humbleing and monumental task to say the least.

Any awakening, only comes from within, not from external forces and we are all on our on personal paths to this discovery IMHO.

CB

Alpha

12-10-2005, 08:15 PM

Ninja...chat, like PM's are private between the individuals who participate there. ,not for public scrutiny.

If you have any issue either with CD or anyone on the board, take it off line in PM's or chat....and do not quote what is said in chat or PMs here on this board.

After all, you were the main thrust that Project created the chat area with you insistance...don't make Rick or I regret that in our decision to let it fly.

Have the same tolerance and respect that others have for you, your opinions, your wisdom and behaviour as we do for you...if you are as enlightened as as knowledgeable as I assume you want to present, then I guess you'd know better.

Enough now and knock it off...it's as simple and comlex as that!!!!!!!!!!

Ninjutsu

12-11-2005, 03:47 AM

Fair enough, I will seek anwsers elsewhere.......

Cool

--- Ninja

Ninjutsu

12-17-2005, 02:49 PM

[ John Titor and Time Travel ]

Since Time Travel Information is available on and off The Internet and there are Various Books about Time Travel and I would like to avoid writing An EBook about Time Travel in this John Titor Thread and because it is my opinion that The John Titor Time Travel Information is just Private Sector Disinformation and perhaps Government Disinformation...

This is My Last Post in The John Titor Time Travel Thread

But

I am willing to Answer Specific Time Travel Questions via EMail

It is That Simple and That Complex

--- Ninja

Modern Internet Saying: EMail can be A Good Thing

gormworm

12-18-2005, 12:34 PM

If ET's have been in the Biz for over 30 years, why does it suk so bad?

Because ETs have been in the Biz for over 30 years.

How does an insect know what tastes good to a human who lives in the U.S.A. and/or elsewhere?

I've been told that GREYS get their nourishment by smearing "pre-digested human meat" on their bodies, ... allowing the substance to be absorbed and digested using a form of photosynthesis, ... and excreting an ammonia based "waste material" out through the surface of the skin again.
This, .. allegedly, .. is why they need to wear those full body diaper jumpsuits.

If these guys have been in control of the entertainment and information media for over 30 years ... what would you expect?

OF COURSE it SUCKS! :D

You would think they would bring something new and fresh to the table

If "new" and "fresh" to a Praying Mantis is a big juicy locust, .. I shudder to think what these dudes might have brought to the table recently.
Reality TV where a mother bites the heads off of her children?
Jerry Springer??

are they trying too reduce us to mental jello with all this mindless nonsense we see anymore?

Perhaps human brains filled with mental jello taste better than normal, healthy, human grey matter?

Is that the plan? We will all be so lost in the sauce from the ' crap spew' that is the media today, that we will be too ignorant and self absorbed to stand against them?

Dinner is much more pleasant when the food doesn't fight back.

Or do they just like messing with the goofy humans?

Hush, now Junior!
Don't play with your food!

or is it part of the conditioning program to get us ready for their big ' coming out' party?

I believe the term is "marinade".
Time is required to allow the sauce to soak into the tenderized meat.

Please, I am so curious...fill me in!

Turkey stuffing?
But, ... you're not dead yet.

Oh well.
I suppose fresh meat is best.

.

gormworm

12-18-2005, 01:13 PM

I’m not certain who wrote this.
But it sounds an awful lot like the kind of thinking John Titor was doing in his posted statements.

When first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of comfort in knowing that as long as we didn’t hurt others in observing our freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.

It took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don’t see the signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all the mundane affairs of daily life.

We just don’t care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio, newspaper, and magazines. But it’s too late to turn back to the days of blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking "What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in whatever way we wish?"

Once we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn’t find ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn’t have let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong questions.

Will asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the public’s ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides) or discredited.

Why are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn’t we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration of the War. Where was their freedom?

You don’t think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed didn’t think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen?

Titor told us that, .. once we see events begin to unfold the way that they had done in HIS timeline/world line, ... then it would be easier to imagine the coming American Civil War, .. and coming World War.

I’ve personally seen the heavily armed Russian soldiers, wearing Federal Marshal uniforms here in Sparks and Reno, .. patrolling the barbed wire fenced in facilities that have always (up to now) been public fishing parks.

I’ve seen the small circus tent structures on Highway Patrol property, and inside of local prison yards, .. that have one hundred or so cement mixing trucks drive into them (over the course of several hours) .. while none are driving out.
The tents are too small to contain any more than six to eight of these trucks parked on the floor inside.
That is ... if there IS a floor inside.

Apparently, ... the planning, and the unfolding of the events that are leading up to the total take over of the United States, and the “downsizing” of it’s population, ... “racial cleansing” if you will, ... is something that has been going on for many decades.

The posted / published mile stone dates (from folks OTHER than John Titor) when certain events have been predicted to occur, .. obviously, .. have not been accurate.
Many of the predicted events HAVE .. in fact, .. happened.
But much later than predicted.

http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4410

It’s all connected.

The more New World Order events that take place, .. the more valid John Titor’s statements concerning the AFE (American Federal Empire) tend to become.

If, .. in fact, .. Hurricane Katrina was a created event, .. designed to cover the military take over of New Orleans, and the “ethnic cleansing” of it’s inhabitants, ... then the eventual revelations about what has been going on will, indeed, eventually, lead to actual warfare taking place on American soil between the American people, and the Shadow Government that is doing these things to it’s own people.

JMHO, of course.

.

smadewell

12-18-2005, 06:54 PM

I'm posting the whole story, because it'll likely disappear soon. I'm going to BOLD the key lines and just note the Florida connection and the fact that our government seems to be paranoid and ask ... why? Do they know there's some truth to John's "predicition" of a coming American Civil War or are they concerned others of his mindset will bring his Civil War about as some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy?

I mean.... When the president says he's above the law and can do just about any damn thing he wants to without due respect for the "checks and balances" that are supposed to safeguard our Republic and nobody's doing DICK to impeach or punish him, then ... what options do we have left? Voting is obviously no longer an option, because the PTBs only put THEIR candidates up for election.

I'm not advocating a Titor-esque revolution or anything, so chill you alphabet agency guys and take my name off the freaking no-flight list already! GGGGRRRR.... I'm just noting that John Titor might not be too far off the mark ... regrdless of who he is or where he came from.

And just to make my stance clear for any alphabet agency guys reading this.... All I'm saying is that people ought to take the advice of a certain first century rabbi, who (along with more than a few prophets from the Hillelite school of Separatist thought) predicted the pending destruction of his people's social system, and told them to obtain a sword and FLEE into them there hills when they saw the crap about to hit the fan.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/

Is the Pentagon spying on Americans?
Secret database obtained by NBC News tracks ‘suspicious’ domestic groups

By Lisa Myers, Douglas Pasternak, Rich Gardella and the NBC Investigative Unit Updated: 6:18 p.m. ET Dec. 14, 2005

WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a "threat" and one of more than 1,500 "suspicious incidents" across the country over a recent 10-month period.

"This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible," says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.

"This is incredible," adds group member Rich Hersh. "It's an example of paranoia by our government," he says. "We're not doing anything illegal."

The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups.

Department of Defense database listing domestic ‘threats’ (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/DODAntiWarProtestDatabaseTracker.pdf)

"I think Americans should be concerned that the military, in fact, has reached too far," says NBC News military analyst Bill Arkin.

The Department of Defense declined repeated requests by NBC News for an interview. A spokesman said that all domestic intelligence information is "properly collected" and involves "protection of Defense Department installations, interests and personnel." The military has always had a legitimate "force protection" mission inside the U.S. to protect its personnel and facilities from potential violence. But the Pentagon now collects domestic intelligence that goes beyond legitimate concerns about terrorism or protecting U.S. military installations, say critics.

Four dozen anti-war meetings
The DOD database obtained by NBC News includes nearly four dozen anti-war meetings or protests, including some that have taken place far from any military installation, post or recruitment center. One "incident" included in the database is a large anti-war protest at Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles last March that included effigies of President Bush and anti-war protest banners. Another incident mentions a planned protest against military recruiters last December in Boston and a planned protest last April at McDonald’s National Salute to America’s Heroes — a military air and sea show in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

The Fort Lauderdale protest was deemed not to be a credible threat and a column in the database concludes: "US group exercising constitutional rights." Two-hundred and forty-three other incidents in the database were discounted because they had no connection to the Department of Defense — yet they all remained in the database.

The DOD has strict guidelines (.PDF link), adopted in December 1982, that limit the extent to which they can collect and retain information on U.S. citizens.

Still, the DOD database includes at least 20 references to U.S. citizens or U.S. persons. Other documents obtained by NBC News show that the Defense Department is clearly increasing its domestic monitoring activities. One DOD briefing document stamped "secret" concludes: "[W]e have noted increased communication and encouragement between protest groups using the [I]nternet," but no "significant connection" between incidents, such as "reoccurring instigators at protests" or "vehicle descriptions."

The increased monitoring disturbs some military observers.

Captain Kundalini

12-21-2005, 02:38 PM

Not that it matters, but, John Titor hails from the same city as my best friend Andy: Hialeah, Florida. :)

Grim Jim

12-21-2005, 03:52 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if we had another civil war in America.

Politicians, corporations, and lobbying groups are ramping up their attempts to divide us to the left and right to gain power.

Most people in this country when polled are neither completely pro-life/pro-abortion, pro-gun/anti-gun, pro-war/anti-war, liberal or conservative. Unfortunately the only voices that are usually heard are those of the extreme.

Most Americans make up their minds on a case by case basis. However, these power groups make a living out of making people decide the issues based on loyalty to the pack rather than actually putting some thought behind their choices.

The stronger these groups become the more of an effect they have on people due to the fact that it is human nature not to want to be left out of a pack. The only hope we have to avoid a civil war is not to give in to the pack mentality that has grown stronger and stronger in recent years.

I'm not so sure a civil war will happen soon, but if it did it would be catastrophic. Just think about all of our enemies out there just waiting to pounce on an opportunity like that.

Did Titor ever mention outside instigators causing divisions in the country's unity before the civil war or if foreign fighters invaded during the instability caused by the war?

circledancer

12-21-2005, 07:07 PM

Thanks for breaking that down for me Gorm, it's so much clearer now!

gormworm

12-23-2005, 03:02 AM

Did Titor ever mention outside instigators causing divisions in the country's unity before the civil war or if foreign fighters invaded during the instability caused by the war?

He talked (however cryptically) about our government “tricking us” into fighting a war in the Middle East.

He talked about Mad Cow disease infecting not only the American meat supply, but all of America’s manufactured food goods as well.

He explained that he only trusts fruits and vegetables that he grows himself, .. and that “fast food” from the 20th century scares the HELL out of him.

He, basically, told us that the coming war is between the people of America, and the government that is lying to us, and taking away the rights and freedoms that originally belonged to all of us under our constitution.

The only reference to foreign government’s involvement in all of this, ... comes after civil war has been raging inside of the U.S. for quite some time, ... and RUSSIA takes advantage of our “weakened situation” here at home.

November 07, 2000 21:23

There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.

The whole ”Republican vs Democrat” thing is a Shadow Government propaganda distraction in my book.

There was no election the last time around.
The whole thing was rigged ... as was clearly documented at http://www.blackbox.org before and during the “election”.

Never mind the link.
blackbox.org seems to be gone.

The coming civil war isn’t about Republicans and Democrats.

It’s about AMERICANS losing their constitutional rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness ... while our government re-writes the constitution under the guise of “homeland security” ... while secretly using new kinds of weapons against it’s own people ... rounding them up into concentration camps, .. and/or executing them as “inferior racial minorities”.

There are some very crazy things going on inside of America at the moment.

And it’s our own government and national newspaper, television, radio, entertainment / news media that’s doing it to us!

Oh well.

Other clues ...

November 07, 2000 22:18

If I could bring some material thing back to your time from 2036, it would be a copy of the new US Constitution.

November 08, 2000 22:27

Can you explain what the purpose of time travel is on your worldline?

In 2036, a great deal of effort is going into "repairing" our environment. I was sent to 1975 to get a computer system and take it back to 2036. Time travel is not a secret in 2036 and I expect it will become more common.

Why is time travel used?

Right now, its used to get information or "items" that would be helpful in getting a post WWIII world back to a normal condition. There are 7 other time travelers in my unit.

Where do time travelers the most?

Right now, most of our practical missions are from 1960 to 1980. There is a great deal of research into later and future periods but the farther you go, the lower the divergence confidence of the worldline.

November 11, 2000 18:56

Are you here now to observe the results of the presidential election?

I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?

gormworm

12-23-2005, 03:13 AM

Thanks for breaking that down for me Gorm, it's so much clearer now!

It seems to be "getting clearer" the further along "this worldline" we go.
And that's what frightens me.

Folks really need to read the TITOR material for themselves, ... then decide if it's B.S. or not!

There's too much at stake for us to simply dismiss everything Titor has warned us to look out for... without reading the warnings.

other clues:

http://www.johntitor.com/

WEB LINKS JOHN TITOR MENTIONS

-Information on black holes including Kerr black holes.

http://www.astro.ku.dk/~cramer/RelViz/text/geom_web/node1.html

*

-Graphic depiction of Kerr black hole.

http://www.physics.fsu.edu/courses/fall98/ast1002/section4/blackholes/fig11-13/fig11-132.htm

*

-Another site on black holes and Tipler cylinders. The site has an audio file that plays music when it opens.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5763/blackhole.html

gormworm

12-23-2005, 12:13 PM

"Hide in plain sight.
If anyone sees what you've done, .. and figures it out, .. the problem is easily located, identified, and eliminated.
What is no longer useful, ... becomes expendable.
People aren’t a problem."
-- Cigarette Smoking Man: X-Files

A dead African- and Native American woman in a coffin, burning cities, kids sleeping on piles of bricks, a looming military figure in a gas mask brandishing a sword, a dead Jewish girl clutching a bible... sub-basements, odd low-frequency sounds making people sick, air vents coming out of the surrounding land from nowhere and the workers who were fired so not too many would know what was being built ... Welcome to Denver!

Some say the Airport is a coverup for a massive underground military base and some very weird things are going on there. Yet another underground US Military base. A future "New World Order" detainment center.

By the way, that's the name of the "commission" that dedicated the capstone to the building and Time Capsule. No one's been able to track down a "New World Order Airport Committee" but there it is, carved into granite.

. Oh, and don't forget the acres and acres of fenced in and barb-wired "lots"...where the barbed wire points in, not out.

SOURCE:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

The Denver Airport & the New World Order.

Captain Beyond

12-23-2005, 02:38 PM

Yhe whole Titor thing is kinda fascinating to me. Right or wrong? I cannot say, but he seems to have a better track record that Ed Dames at least!:18:

smadewell

12-25-2005, 12:04 AM

http://iona.ghandchi.com/emerson.htm

Players in the coming Civil War? Who knows?

smadewell

12-25-2005, 12:06 AM

Russia nukes the US in 2015, eh?

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm

Russia deploys new set of strategic nuclear missiles
Sat Dec 24 2005 12:33:41 ET

The chief of Russia's strategic forces on Saturday attended the deployment of a new set of state-of-the art intercontinental ballistic missiles, boasting of their capability to penetrate any prospective missile defense, news reports said.

Col. Gen. Nikolai Solovtsov, chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, took part in a ceremony that marked the commissioning of the latest set of Topol-M missiles at a missile base in Tatishchevo in the Volga River's Saratov region.

Solovtsov said Saturday that the new missile "is capable of penetrating any missile defense system," the RIA Novosti and Interfax news agencies reported.

Russian officials have called prospective U.S. missile defenses destabilizing and boasted repeatedly that Russia's new missiles could pierce any nation's missile shield.

The Topol-M missiles, capable of hitting targets more than 10,000 kilometers (6,000 miles) away, have so far been deployed in silos. The mobile version, mounted on a heavy off-road vehicle, is to enter combat service next year, Solovtsov said.

The deployed Topol-Ms have been fitted with single nuclear warheads, but officials have considered plans to equip each missile with three individually targeted warheads.

Developing...

ShardsOfNarsil

12-26-2005, 10:53 AM

Impossible to know for sure, but I found the following link interesting:

http://www.predictions.tv/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=324&highlight=#324

circledancer

12-26-2005, 03:54 PM

Impossible to know for sure, but I found the following link interesting:

http://www.predictions.tv/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=324&highlight=#324

Very interesting but questionable.....thanx Shards

smadewell

12-26-2005, 11:01 PM

Titor, "A world war in 2015 killed nearly three billion people....."

Titor, "The civil war ended in 2015 when Russia attacked the U.S. cities (our enemy), China and Europe....."

Titor, "However, in the opening hours of N Day, the Russians did not launch any high altitude detonations. They knew we would most likely clean up after them so they wanted everyone outside the cities to be able to communicate. Most of the warheads that hit the cities came in threes and exploded close to the ground. The heavy EMP damage was isolated to those areas."

Russia attacking U.S. cities, China and Europe? Not possiable you say? Well, read this....

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2459162005

Putin's show of strength triggers fear of fresh nuclear arms race by Fraser Nelson, Political Editor

VLADIMIR Putin has sparked fears of a new arms race between Russia and the United States by deploying a nuclear ballistic strike force system that officials made clear could penetrate US anti- missile defences.

On Christmas Eve, the Russian army activated a new fleet of Topol-M missiles that can fit a nuclear warhead and travel 6,000 miles, changing trajectory to foil any enemy interception device.

The accompanying hawkish rhetoric of the Russian military commanders and the frenetic response of the US navy have stoked concern that the former Cold War adversaries have quietly resumed the arms race.

General Nikolai Solovtsov, commander of the Russian missile forces, has mobilised a new battalion for the Topol-M missiles, which have a capacity for a one megatonne impact - 75 times the power of the 1945 Hiroshima bomb.

Gen Solovtsov, a critic of US anti- missile defence technology, said the Topol-M missile "is capable of piercing any missile defence system" and is immune to electromagnetic blasts used by current US anti-missile systems.

While Russia had disbanded two missile divisions last year, it has now formed more than 20 new units - in the fastest increase of nuclear spending since the run-up to the Cuban missile crisis.

Last month, the US navy carried out its most ambitious and successful test of an anti-missile interceptor, which can be launched from an Aegis class cruiser in the Pacific Ocean. A warhead from an incoming rocket was destroyed 100 miles above sea level - the first time an anti- missile defence has succeeded, in tests, when launched from a ship.

Duncan Lamont, a British defence analyst and editor of Jane's Strategic Weapons Systems, said the new Topol missiles could evade the "ballistic missile defences currently being fielded in Alaska and California".

The roll-out of the Topol-M and the hawkish accompanying language mark the fastest expansion of nuclear missiles since the SS-18 and Pershing II technologies were rolled out a generation ago.

Since the last US-Russia arms control treaty was signed in 1993 in Moscow, Russia has struggled to fund technology to replace its ageing defence system. The budget dried up as the Russian economy suffered.

But now the economy is flush with new oil wealth, the nuclear missile programme has been revived and was last month allocated a £1 billion budget increase from the Kremlin. This has boosted Mr Putin's popularity.

Japan, growing anxious about a nuclear missile strike from North Korea, signed up to the American missile defence programme last week and allocated £14 million for joint research.

The Ukrainian government, elected last year in a part-protest against Moscow's influence, has asked to come back under the former Soviet military umbrella and be protected by the Topol-M stationed in the Volga river.

In September, Russia successfully tested a Bulava missile, a submarine-launched equivalent of the Topol-M. Launched from the White Sea, it hit its target 30 minutes later on Kamchatka, in the opposite, Far Eastern side of Russia.

The escalation in missile defence will pose difficult questions for Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, who must soon decide whether to renew Britain's trident nuclear deterrent. The case for not doing so is largely based on the pacification of post-Soviet Russia.

Relations with Mr Putin have been increasingly strained, as western leaders have criticised his heavy-handed style, his imprisonment of political opponents and slow pace towards democratising the country.

The European Union has condemned Mr Putin's decision to sell anti-aircraft missiles to Iran, whose new president last month spoke of his desire to "wipe Israel off the map". Iran says it wants to buy Russian nuclear energy next.

Russia takes over the year-long G8 presidency from Britain in January. Mr Putin has made his theme security of energy supply - which marries concern over Iraq with the Kremlin's concerns about its control of Caspian oil reserves.

gormworm

12-29-2005, 01:23 PM

smadewell

12-30-2005, 12:23 AM

Thank you, S.Madewell for keeping interest in the John Titor material alive in this forum.

Your research and insights in this discussion have been fantastic, .. and greatly appreciated.
If George Noory has been taking note of the wonderful work you’ve done in this discussion, .. I hope he gives you the proper credit if and when he does another John Titor segment on his program.

Have you gotten your copy of the hard bound / paperback collected Titor material yet?

Is it better and more complete than what’s been posted at titor-dot-com?

I've been too busy working on the bunker to spend much time here these days. I'm glad that there always seem to be great discussions going on each time I return and look in.

Well, whoever John Titor is or whatever his motives ... I think this person has a great deal of foresight -- more so than the "psychic" brand of doomsayers.

Take what's on the surface, push it aside and you'll see what's underneath. As social commentators go I think Titor makes a lot of good points and though the exact timing of the events he speaks about might be a little off ... in all probability ... everything he's talked about could in fact happen.

I haven't read the book yet. I'm sure I'll eventually get a copy. Like you, I'm knee deep in making what preparation my budget will allow. If I was 100% about the dates Titor gives ... I'd max out every credit card I have in order to build my long dreamed of NBC fallout shelter.

I don't know of any groups to hook up with and, frankly, the ones I know about have a cult mentality. Still.... If I win the lottery between now and whenever the balloon goes up ... I'll be sinking some real money into a lovely Doomsday hole in the ground.

We ran up a huge amount of debt moving into the rental house and I went from being a couple of grand in debt to ... you don't wanna know how much! Still.... If I continue at my present job and no "out-of-the-blue" expenses pop up ... by the end of next year I ought to be out of debt enough to start seriously shopping for a standard tornado shelter -- with the hopes that I can suitably modify it to serve as a quasi-NBC shelter. Soemthing's better than nothing! Would that I had the muscles and know-how to build one myself and do it up right, but ... I just don't seem to have what it takes at the moment.

Yep.... I'm constantly running across stuff in the news that makes me think, "Gee! That sorta ties in with something John Titor had to say." I hope he's wrong about the full-on nuke exchange, but ... I can't help but think he's right on target. Fact is, that's about the only thing that's going to stop the American Federal Empire from bringing about an Orwellian Police State. A small band of merry men and women playing Robin Hood isn't going to stop the PTBs in their tracks, IMO, but people of that mindset will probably be the only ones left to reconstruct a new (and hopefully improved) USA.

I'll do what I can to keep this thread alive. Y'all keep the faith and keep on preparing -- if only for the social unrest that will come in the wake of a Katrina type event! Stay tuned and be prepared!

smadewell

12-30-2005, 05:31 AM

http://www.imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61053#post61053

smadewell

12-30-2005, 11:54 PM

http://www.ncrising.com/2005_Dec_CrossRoads.html

A Grand Cross in the Fixed Signs

Saturn, Neptune, Jupiter, and Mars are currently forming a cross or square in the sky. This event is somewhat rare because it involves Saturn in opposition with Neptune (once approximately every 35 years). The last Saturn/Neptune opposition happened in 1971-1972 and accompanied the events leading to the Watergate scandal. According to E. Alan Meece (author of Horoscope for the New Millenium), this astronomical event often accompanies political scandals. Meece also points out that events involving Mars and Jupiter with Neptune often give energy to grassroots movements and popular uprisings.

Power to the people! Viva La Revolution!

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smadewell

12-31-2005, 06:02 PM

FEB 2001 - JOHN SAID: The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand." I'm assuming you are all aware that China has millions of male soldiers right now that they know will never be able to find wives. I guess you could say that Taiwan, Japan, and Korea were all "forcefully annexed" before N Day.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10361982

Word war fuels fresh hostility between Japan and China

31.12.05

Historic rivals China and Japan were locked in a war of words yesterday after the Japanese Government accused Chinese spies of being responsible for the suicide of one of its diplomats.

The unnamed official, who was based in Japan's consulate in Shanghai and committed suicide in May last year, left suicide notes claiming he was being blackmailed by a Chinese intelligence agent over his relationship with a hostess in a karaoke bar.

The allegations, first voiced on Wednesday by a spokesman for the Japanese Foreign Ministry, caused fury in Beijing, which yesterday denounced them as "vile" and a "smear" on China's image.

The furore threatens to plunge Sino-Japanese relations to a new low. Chinese anger over Japan's failure to apologise for its actions during World War II, Japanese concerns over China's increased military spending and a dispute over the ownership of islands rich in natural resources have exacerbated friction between Asia's two major powers this year.

Having dismissed reports in the Japanese press about the diplomat's suicide as "groundless", Beijing was forced on to the defensive by the Japanese Government's claims.

"This is completely out of ulterior motives and we express our strong indignation at the vile behaviour of the Japanese Government, which deliberately smears China's image," said China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang.

Tensions between China and Japan had already come close to breaking point last week, after Japan's Foreign Minister Taro Aso accused China of posing a "considerable threat" to Northeast Asia. Aso claimed that China was spreading fear in the region by increasing spending on its military.

Beijing responded by describing his remarks as "highly irresponsible".

According to Japanese reports, the deceased diplomat was responsible for communications in the Shanghai consulate. The highly sensitive post involved encrypting classified information before it was sent to the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo.

In one of his suicide notes, the diplomat claimed that his relationship with a karaoke bar hostess had led to him being pressured by a Chinese intelligence agent to reveal details of the flights used to carry classified documents back to Tokyo and to pass on information about consulate staff.

"We believe people with the Chinese security authorities conducted regrettable actions," said Japan's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Yoshinori Katori. Katori said the intelligence agent's actions violated the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and that the Japanese Government had lodged four protests with Beijing over the incident.

In one of the notes he left behind, the official made it clear that he could not countenance passing on secret information to the Chinese.

"If I were to do more, I would have to sell Japan. I cannot sell my own country," he wrote. Instead, he chose to commit suicide.

Japan has the highest suicide rate in the industrialised world.

Despite the fact that China and Japan are each other's biggest trading partners, the relationship between the countries has foundered in recent months.

Chinese anger over the failure of Japan to apologise for such infamous events as the Rape of Nanjing, when 300,000 Chinese civilians were slaughtered by the Japanese Army in 1937, boiled over in April.

Chinese rage over Japan's actions during World War II has been further fuelled by the repeated visits of Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to the Yasukuni Shrine, which honours Japan's war dead but also convicted war criminals.

The two countries are also disputing possession of a tiny group of islands in the East China Sea. Known as the Senkaku to the Japanese and the Diaoyu to the Chinese, the islands hold vast natural gas reserves.

China has also refused to support Japan's quest for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, while Japan has infuriated China by saying it regards Taiwan as a "mutual security concern".

maryals

12-31-2005, 08:47 PM

:angryfire So, the Media and our Guvmint keeps our eyes glued to the Middle East; Iraq, Iran, Israel, etc
so that we don't see the REAL Danger to our own West Coast, prolly Alaska (C'mon Topper, spill those beans, PLEASE, re China/Alaska) and the Far East.

Thanks for the heads up Smadewell

HAPPY NEW YEAR (while we still can)

MaryAlice

circledancer

12-31-2005, 08:56 PM

smadewell

12-31-2005, 09:00 PM

MaryAlice, I'll wager North Korea sends a sub to that 600 mile stretch of undersea fault line that runs from Canada to the NW USA and explodes a nuke that'll cause a tsunami from Alaska down to Mexico. Right, Topper? Okay.... Maybe not, but ... the White Coats are looking close at the fault line, no? Pressure, pressure, pressure.... How much can you take? Pressure, pressure, pressure ... before you finally break! We're DOMMED! DOMMED!! DOOMED!!! :disappoin

smadewell

12-31-2005, 09:09 PM

Smade wrote " I'm assuming you are all aware that China has millions of male soldiers right now that they know will never be able to find wives. "

Looks like that 'gay bomb' could be right on time!!...LOL...

Small correction.... That was John Titor who said that in Feb 2001. Fact is ... homosexuality in the Orient isn't view in the negative light that it is here in the States. In Nepal ... it's practically a rite of passage for their military members - or so said the RAF troops I was stationed with. Personally, I think it would take nukes to stop a massive move of Chinese troops. Let's face it ... you can kill the enemy with Hi-Tech, but you need boots on the ground to control the area you've taken and China's got the boots and then some!

smadewell

12-31-2005, 09:20 PM

Well, that settles it! Any double-talk of PEACE means WAR's on the horizon! Goddbye Taiwan! It was nice knowing ya!

Chinese president stresses commitment to peaceful development in New Year Address
Sat Dec 31 2005 09:22:59 ET

BEIJING Chinese President Hu Jintao reiterated China's strong commitment to peaceful development in his New Year Address broadcast Saturday to domestic and overseas audience via state TV and radio stations.

"Here, I would like to reiterate that China's development is peaceful development, opening development, cooperative development and harmonious development," Hu said.

"The Chinese people will develop ourselves by means of striving for a peaceful international environment, and promote world peace with our own development," Hu said in the address broadcast by China Radio International, China National Radio and China Central Television.

He said the Chinese people are willing to join with peoples of all nations in the world to promote multilateralism, advance the development of economic globalization toward common prosperity, advocate democracy in international relations, respect the diversity of the world and push for the establishment of a new international political and economic order that is just and rational.

He pledged that China will adhere to its fundamental national policy of opening to the outside world, continue to improve the investment environment and open the market, carry out international cooperation in a wide range of areas and seek to attain mutual benefits and win-win results with all countries in the world.

He mentioned in particular that China will do its best to help developing countries accelerate development and help people suffering from war, poverty, illnesses and natural calamities in the world.

gormworm

01-19-2006, 10:38 PM

SOURCE:
http://www.rhfweb.com/civilwar.html

Baron Von Volsung, http://www.rhfweb.com/baron, Email: http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html
President Thomas D. Clark, Email: http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html,
Personal Web Page: http://www.rhfweb.com/personal
New Age Production's Inc., http://www.rhfweb.com/newage
Star Haven Community Services, at http://www.rhfweb.com/sh
Radiation Health Foundation Trust at http://www.rhfweb.com/

Causes Of Civil War In the USA ?

It seems to me that the causes of a civil war in the USA are due to governmental time travel, social and mind control experiments, and beam weapons warfare that originated around 1994 in the US government in league with communism. *From the patterns and information that I have received in email posts, part if not most of the US government especially the NSA, is secretly working for if not enslaved by communism and foreign powers, to allow illegal and legal immigrants into the USA, and to target US citizens with beam weapons, mind control, and time travel to force them to revolt in a civil war and succeed from the Federal Government to defend themselves from the US Federal Government as an experiment in time travel repetitive recreation of history, to repeat warfare patterns in history to compare the results.

I have received many emails that hint that most believe that global and federal governments are a big failure, and that smaller is better, so that most of the powers on Earth are encouraging civil wars as occurred in the Soviet Union around 1990 and also being encouraged in the USA presently. *Even if we manage to avoid civil wars, we are simply delaying the problem unless we can actually solve the problem peacefully, since a stitch in time saves nine and is better than delaying. **If the US does not have a civil war in the next few years, then eventually the Federal Government will go bankrupt in another 10 years, and until then the US citizens give their tax dollars to foreign powers to be used against them. *

I and many others in the USA had been working on a means to peacefully get the US government to represent their own citizens, by means of cases filed in court, by contacting congress, *by supporting parties such as the US Tax Party and the Republican Party until it turned on us and went lefty, and by starting company ventures, but due to beam weapons, time travel, mind control, and governmental harassment, we can not convince the US government and society to solve our social problems peacefully, and what's more the US government is experimenting on the USA citizens with beam weapons to force them to cause a civil war as their only means of self defense, from a criminal government being used against them by their own enemies. **

If we look at the results, most citizens do just as they are told by the US government experimenting on them with beam weapons hoping that they will be left alone or that they can delay the problem by doing nothing, which then leaves them in an eternal degenerative time travel computer generated and created time loop spiraling down to the criminal underworld, forever lying, deceiving, covering up, and never resolving the problem as the CIA Dick Cheney said he was stuck in by representing the US government and its secret underworld communistic Israeli Organized Zionistic government.

Then there are those citizens, and government agents, and cultures due to their spiritual, cognitive and social nature and upbringing, who counter the beam weapons experiments in varying ways and in varying degrees to see if they can do something that makes a difference so that they are not caught eternally in a governmentally created time travel loop. First they contact their congressman, then the local police, and security agencies to find that not much can be done. Then they files cases in court in more desperation, which if even won it is not enough and often to late. *Then they start companies to attempt to rebuild their society, and to counter the governmental experimentation's on their community, and the more successful they become the more their identities, companies, and actions are targeted, and taken over secretly by the government by means of secret agents, just as the government has taken over almost all major companies in the USA to control them and to eventually ruin them for communistic goals and reasons. *Finally they post emails and publish books, to only be ridiculed and discredited by everyone. *Even if they ever succeed many never know, or really care, because they just go on living their governmentally created zombie lifestyle. *However there may be a few, who know and who care, that they may be given a chance to get out of the degenerative time travel loop back into the underworld. *Hopefully the CIA will be grateful if those who counter the government get them out of the time travel vortex of forever lying and deceiving all in the name of the underworld, communism and organized Zionism. Hopefully someday the CIA and others will also get rid of the underworld's socially engineered governmental hell on Earth even if it must be done by civil wars, and other means perhaps more peaceful.

Baron Von Volsung, http://www.rhfweb.com/baron, Email: http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html
President Thomas D. Clark, Email: http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html,
Personal Web Page: http://www.rhfweb.com/personal
New Age Production's Inc., http://www.rhfweb.com/newage
Star Haven Community Services, at http://www.rhfweb.com/sh
Radiation Health Foundation Trust at http://www.rhfweb.com/

Making a difference one person at a time
Get informed. Inform others.

smadewell

01-19-2006, 10:50 PM

i believe that Titor - having the alleged benefit of hindsight and a vicotr's read of history - was right on target about there being a Civil War in the U.S.

no, the media isn't reporting it as such, but that doesn't mean it isn't here. too many things are being written off as isolated incidents, IMO. it's real, it's here and we're walking right into a 2015 scenario.

a pan-Middle Eastern war before 2008...?

the 2008 olympics called off on account of the war's scope?

a war weary sheeple elect a female president in 2008...?

china & company take advantage of U.S. forces being stretched thin and otherwise bogged down in a guerrilla war against muslim insurgents...?

smadewell

01-20-2006, 08:32 PM

no civil war, eh? :cool: :rocketwho

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/13657370.htm

AP Interview: FBI's LA boss says homegrown terrorists top concern JEREMIAH MARQUEZ - Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - The FBI's new regional chief says the threat of homegrown militants remains a top concern five months after authorities uncovered an alleged terrorism plot by Americans targeting synagogues and military recruiting centers around Los Angeles.

"What keeps me awake at night? A homegrown cell that has taken seed and grown," J. Stephen Tidwell, assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles field office, told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday. "That is one of the things that we fear the most."

Three men - two of them U.S. born - were indicted last month on federal charges of conspiring to wage war against the government through terrorism for allegedly planning shooting rampages at the Los Angeles-area sites. All three have pleaded not guilty.

Tidwell said the homegrown threat has increased as terrorist groups have spread their ideology overseas through propaganda. He said one of the suicide bombers in the July attacks on London's public transit system was a citizen who'd been radicalized in a year.

"Now, it's an idea," he said. "That's why you've got radicalized homegrown entities picking up the sword ... that gives us pause."

Also Wednesday, Tidwell announced that appointment of a 20-year FBI veteran as the bureau's anti-terrorism chief in Los Angeles.

Warren T. Bamford will serve as special agent in charge of counterterrorism and domestic terrorism. He is currently section chief of the bureau's Strategic Information and Operations Center, a 24-hour clearinghouse for strategic information and the center for crisis management and special event monitoring.

Though there currently is no specific credible threat against Los Angeles-area sites, Tidwell noted that the region is home to a number of possible targets, from Hollywood studios to the Los Angeles-Long Beach port complex, one of the world's busiest.

He expressed concern terrorists would try to carry out suicide bombings on those targets.

"That's why you see so much talk about suicide bombings," he said. "That's why you see every police department of any size going over to Israel to see how they're dealing with it."

smadewell

01-23-2006, 05:27 AM

no civil war, eh? :cool: :rocketwho

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/13657370.htm
AP Interview: FBI's LA boss says homegrown terrorists top concern

Let's just file this report in the old circular round, okay?

Here's some real news! Britney Spears Gives Baby Hindu Blessing.... (http://toronto.fashion-monitor.com/news.php/Celebrity_Style/2006012001britney-spears) I'm gonna rush right out and convert to the Hindu faith.... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~heraldry/icons/meditate.gif

Oh wait! Here's a news piece of even greater importance to our lives, our nation and the world at large!!! Hawaiian taxi-driver claims Paris Hilton urinated in his cab.... (http://www.mediagab.com/story.asp?id=1989)

And you don't think we need a civil war? Socialites pissing in cabs with impunity! Great Godfrey Daniels! What's it going to take to wake you people up? Now where did I put that AK-47? Hmmm.... I know where I'd like to put it! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~heraldry/icons/screw.gif

:haha: Go back to sleep America.... :sleeping:

ShardsOfNarsil

01-23-2006, 06:22 AM

Ya know Smade, I really appreciate you being our first source for Paris Hilton news, but could you start posting stories with pictures in them? Thanks ;)

smadewell

01-23-2006, 01:46 PM

:haha:
Ya know Smade, I really appreciate you being our first source for Paris Hilton news, but could you start posting stories with pictures in them? Thanks ;)Sure thing, friend. Right after you put on a pair of these glasses.... :cool2:

circledancer

01-23-2006, 01:50 PM

:haha: Sure thing, friend. Right after you put on a pair of these glasses.... :cool2:
Roddy Piper stole mine!

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:13 PM

Continuing the original JOHN TITOR posted material.
From 5A .. post #22 ... http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44&page=2

Please let me know if I’m double-posting anything.
It’s been a while since I first began putting this stuff up.

You are a cheater of life. Why can't your worldline fend for itself? You take the solution from us and threaten to change billions of lives (here). Why don't you care about that?

I'm just guessing that "cheater of life" is not a compliment. I can't think of a reason why my actions would be immoral and someone else's would not. You suggest I'm capable of changing lives. I suggest that I'm no more capable of that than you are.

I'm just not so sure you recognize your own potential. You don't need a time machine to save or destroy people. If there was another person doing the exact same things I was but they didn't have a time machine, would they be putting billions of lives at stake and suffer your judgment?

Is there any such thing as wrong for you?

Yes, I believe in wrong and right. I judge my actions based on God's law. Is it wrong for me to murder? Yes it is. Is it wrong for me to teach someone how to defend themselves and they commit murder? No, I am not their keeper. Since I am leaving, I will be incapable of causing any harm. But, what damage will you do with anything I have said?

17 January 2001 11:29

In the future, sociologists spend a great of time discussing the collective mentality before the war that led to the demise of "Homo Materia". Many of them point to an experiment that was done in the 1970's or 1980's. The experiment isolated various sizes of rat populations in varying cage sizes with varying food and cleaning schedules. It was discovered that no matter what, there was a certain ratio of rats to space that once overtaken by population would always lead to aggressive and destructive behavior in the rats until enough of them had died or been killed to get back under the ratio. This was true even when the rats that were given plenty of food and had their cage cleaned every day.

Besides the occasional school or office shooting and violent video game, I can't help but think about that experiment every time I see someone stranded on the highway or walking on the side of the road carrying an empty gas can. I ask my parents why we don't stop and help and they tell me they are afraid of being attacked and of the possible consequences of helping someone they don't know. I would respond by pointing out that it's our duty to help someone, not just because it's the right thing to do, but because we can never know that person's true worth and the risk of losing then is too great.

I didn't fully understand their stubbornness until I saw a news story about a doctor who was sued for applying emergency first aid to an accident victim who died. I believe your society is biologically geared for self-destruction. However, I feel strongly that does not excuse me from my responsibilities as a temporary member of this community.

Although (name of poster on forum) is a bit quirky and eccentric, he does belong to us. He's this community's quirky and eccentric guy and although he can be aggravating, I can't help but feel protective of him. As I'm sure most of us believe, under all of his postings, he has some interesting things to say. When I first read one of his postings, I first shook my head and then I began to question my own understanding of not only the English language but of the real meaning of the odd things he brings up. If it's done on purpose, it's quite effective.

26 January 2001 15:11

After trying to post a couple of times and seeing the number of postings increase but not the pages, I assume it is limited to 11 pages. Any thoughts?

26 January 2001 18:46

Greetings everyone. I've been away for a while so I apologize for not getting back to these questions sooner. Since (personal name from forum) brought up a few things I had addressed in the mysterious mail that never made it to the board, I will post it here. The others are responses from other questions.

Why are you so interested in the Constitution?

After the war, the United States had split into five separate regions based on the various factors and military objectives they each had. There was a great deal of anger directed toward the Federal government and a revival of states rights was becoming paramount. However, in their attempt to create an economic form of government, the political and military leaders at the time decided to hold one last Constitutional Congress in order to present a psychological cohesion from the old system.

During this Congress, the leaders discovered and decided that coming up with a new and better form of government was nearly impossible. The original Constitution itself was not the problem it was the ignorance of the people that lived under it.

Don't you like your "new" Constitution?

From my viewpoint, it's very effective. I am a very strong believer in local or state's rights.

When are you leaving to go home?

There are certain windows I must wait for in order to leave. There will be two this year. The first one opens this spring.

Is it possible for you to return to this time line once you leave?

Not with the machine I have now.

If we all had time machines, would we end up destroying the rest of the local worldlines?

Since everything is already happening and possible on different worldlines, the answer is yes, and no.

You appear to be a Libertarian who stresses the need for mankind to get back to basics. You also seem to be a gun rights activist.

I suppose from your vantage point that's a fair assessment. I would call myself more of a centrist. Although I understand the "gun rights" issue here, I cannot relate to it all and it is a common point of argument with my mother.

I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep but it doesn't help. If it makes you feel any better, I never shot anyone who wasn't trying to kill me.

Since we're not as smart as you, can you help us solve the technical problems of time travel?

When you say "us", what do you mean? Do you mean "you"? Where would you go if you had my machine? How do you think the rest of the world would react to the U.S. having a time machine and they didn't?

You stated you went back in time from 2036 to 1975 with a near 2 percent divergence. You also said that a zero divergence is a myth or technologically improbable.

Yes, a "ZD" is thought to be impossible. However, consider that an exact entry point "may" not be necessary to get home. The important factor is the path, not the destination. Under multiple world theory, there are an infinite number of "homes" that I could return to that don't have me there. The divergence for that window is somewhere near .0002377%.

Please correct me if I don't understand. Are parallel universes created by events in our own worldline?

Parallel universes exist independently of each other and only interact to avoid the collapse of the wave function for any given particle or event that you are looking at.

I like to imagine it as a series of parallel lines crossed by a wavy wave. Each point on the wavy line where a straight line crosses it represents an alternate outcome. The multiple "yous" on each worldline record a different result for the activity of the particle.

Multiple World theory and parallel universes have never been proven. It only exists as a way to explain various findings in quantum mechanics. Just because people talk about it doesn't mean it's real.

I agree with you that an explanation doesn't make it so. However you can build a model to describe physical behavior. Even if the model is not complete, its "truth" can be measured by how well it predicts the behavior it describes.

Where did multiverse come from as a theory? Where is the evidence of its existence?

I believe the closest non-related evidence for multiple universes right now comes from the physics (derived from special relativity) of rotating (Kerr) black holes. If you examine a typical Penrose map, science agrees that you can travel to "other universes" through these cosmic oddities. They can't be different places in your own universe (worldline) because you would have to violate the speed of light limit to get there.

Since the existence of multiple universes is a reality from my viewpoint, please allow me to disclose an idea we toss around a bit in 2036. Since all possibilities, outcomes and events are occurring and exist simultaneously; it would mean there are multiple universes out there where "you" are living a day behind and a day ahead of the "you" on this universe.

There are some who believe that memory is some sort of information transfer or communication with the "yous" in the past, across worldlines or universes. Although this is seemingly quite ridiculous, if you think that could be true, than physics tells us that the same information transfer from our future selves on other worldlines is not only possible but certain. Could it be that fantasy or "what if" scenarios are actually future memory from an alternate "us" on a future worldline?

According to physics, there is no reason why this cannot be true.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:14 PM

26 January 2001 18:51

I now see it plainly states the topics are limited to 11 pages. I guess this only proves I'm not the brightest singularity in multidimensional space-time.

26 January 2001 21:21

Your mission to go back in time seems rather pointless since you stated earlier there is no way to get back to your exact starting point.

The reality of infinite possibilities is rather difficult to get a grip on and if it were not for the math, I would delegate it to the realm of religion. I like to think of it as standing in a room with mirrors on all the walls. I can look to my right and left and see many "mes" all doing exactly the same thing. If we all took a step to our right and passed through a dimensional doorway to the next mirrored room, it would be very difficult to tell if anything had changed. In that sense, there are an infinite number of worldlines waiting for me to return with the computer. If I can get to one of them, I have completed my mission.

It would seem then that another time traveler that looks like you could arrive on your worldline of origin with another IBM computer and no one would know the difference.

Bingo!! Seems like something they would do a lot of psychological testing for before they sent us off.

26 January 2001 21:28

Where does it say it is limited to 11 pages?

I was just trying to be clever. However, I am still unable to see any postings past 412. Can everyone else see them?

John Titor

01-27-2001 12:45 PM

Greetings. I am a time traveler from the year 2036. I am on my way home after getting an IBM 5100 computer system from the year 1975.
My "time" machine is a stationary mass, temporal displacement unit manufactured by General Electric. The unit is powered by two, top-spin, dual-positive singularities that produce a standard, off-set Tipler sinusoid.
I will be happy to post pictures of the unit.
I have been communicating online with others who are interested in time travel.

28 January 2001 09:45

And you never showed us a picture of your uniform.

Actually, there are numerous places I have posted pictures. I believe the links are still on the board.

Why haven't you commented on not caring about your original worldline?

I'm not sure what you're asking. I think those statements speak for themselves and your interpretation of them may be, unique.

28 January 2001 12:22

One of the reasons I like this board so much is that the questions are more thought out, the people seem to be a bit smarter than normal and I'm not continually bombarded with questions about stock tips. I will admit that on a conceptual level, you are picking it up much faster than I did.

If you leave your worldline, some of your friends and family members will never see you again. That seems like a very immoral thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think it would be immoral. Don't soldiers today go on duties they may not return from?

It depends on how you define what the real "me" is. If you consider the mirror example again, as all of the "mes" step one room to the right, the family and friends in that room (and the time traveler for that matter) would not be able to tell the difference.

The probability of us noticing a difference is based on the divergence of the trip. If all events and outcomes are certain, there are worldlines where I do return for every worldline I don't return to. All the "moral" events would then balance out to zero. Again, it's hard to judge good and bad outcomes, only good and bad decisions.

What's the point of fixing something in one worldline if there's an infinite number of worldlines where a problem doesn't exist?

Our actions and decisions are based on the knowledge we have in our own worldline. Yes, the bell shaped curve is a useful tool but if we are capable of change for the better than we feel we should at least try.
Even if "I" don't return to my exact worldline, a similar "me" probably will. Besides, I just look at it as helping a worldline where their time traveling me didn't show up but I did.

Earlier you said the people on your worldline would only experience your being away for a split second. How can this be true if you'll never return to that worldline?

Again, I refer to the mirror example.

It seems impossible that another you would return to the worldline you originally came from.

I'm not sure I said another time traveler "will" return, I think I said they "could" return. The location/gravity "map" I have of my path getting here could be duplicated with a fairly high degree of accuracy. It's just that my machine was not designed to do that.

I think it's a mistake to rely on the concept of the impossible when dealing with the reality of multiple worlds. Keep in mind there are an infinite number of "yous" on infinite worldlines having completely different experiences with "me".

You stated that returning to your worldline of origin is thought to be impossible.

My "exact" ZD worldline that is.

01-28-2001 06:35 AM

My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from 1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.) I am here now for personal reasons. The web page is not mine. I have been speaking online for about three months and the page is a collection of the various documents and pictures I have sent to other individuals.
Also, I realize there is no way for anyone to believe me with absolute certainty so I hope I'm at least entertaining. You may be interested to know that even in 2036, there are a large number of people who don't believe in time travel. Are you sure the world is round?

01-29-2001 07:47 AM

Please keep in mind the web site is not mine and I apologize for the poor quality of the files. The photo you saw was taken by me with a Polaroid camera manufactured here. The other documents were duplicated by placing a book onto a copy machine at a packaging and shipping store and then scanning and saving them.
As for the printing technology in 2036, you may be surprised at how many people use typewriters however I agree the documents were probably not created that way.
I too am very anxious to hear your thoughts and questions on time travel / gravity displacement and any comments on the Everett Wheeler Graham model.

01-29-2001 03:48 PM

Although the documents posted were printed from a computer printer, is it really that hard to believe that manual typing is just a bit more common in thirty years? After the war, many things like manual printing machines, bicycles, sailboats and hand tools were valued a great deal. I have noticed more people in California are installing wood burning stoves.
I realize my claims are a bit ridiculous but my intent is not really to be believed. However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad decisions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?
In my experience, when it becomes necessary to convince someone what I do for a living the only way to do that is to be related to them. Everything else is immediately written off as a parlor trick, even if they're standing in front of a cooling distortion unit and I show them a dollar bill with the year 2029 on it.
In the last few months, I have had numerous extended conversations online and there are quite a few things I've said which can easily be checked out but haven't. I get no pleasure out of being right when it comes to CJD disease, war in the Middle East or suffering people in far away lands. There's nothing like the look on someone's face when you tell them 100,000 people will be dead tomorrow. In my travels, I have discovered that most people really don't want to know about the future because if its different than what they want it ticks them off. Actually, I don't blame them.
The means by which I travel in time is very physical. I require a "machine" to do it. It weighs about 500 pounds and gets quite hot. I do not own it and I did not build it. Within limits, I will be happy to discuss how it works and how "future" science thinks time works. No we have not completed string theory yet but (N-10) seems to work pretty well.
As far as the future goes, your worldline is about 2.5% different than mine. This is a roughly cumulative measurement based on my arrival in 1975. As far as I can tell right now, you are headed toward the same events I would call "my history" in 2036. However, the very nature of time travel states that every worldline is unique and you are very much in control of what you do and how you get there. Heck, the fact that I'm here makes it different from mine.
I have nothing to sell, and there is nothing I want anyone to do. For all other time travelers out there, I have no tests for you and I would enjoy discussing your feelings and experiences after the war. To everyone else, while I'm here, I am very interested in your philosophy, religious outlooks and speculations on technology.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:17 PM

29 January 2001 12:25

Are the Olympics still being played in the future?

As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040.

Why wouldn't it be possible to use that recording to go back to your original starting point without any divergence at all?

Perhaps it's better to say it's so highly improbable as to be considered impossible. A good example is the concept of trying to get closer to something by cutting the distance in half for every step you take. Since the computer is basically making calculations from an imperfect model of reality, there are no absolutes. I also believe there is a theory that states you would have to violate the speed of light limit to have a perfect ZD.

Why are there only two windows of opportunity for you to go back? Does this have anything to do with the weather?

The weather isn't a factor as much as gravitational tidal forces are at the point of arrival.

I disapprove of war because I think it's immoral. What do you think?

I disapprove of murder. Man as a species is incapable of changing his nature through will alone and war is a tool of biology. The ability for war sleeps in each one of us and we must decide what we will do before the beast awakens. As for morality, again I point to the "universal" balance of good and evil. For every worldline where there is peace, there is a worldline that has destroyed itself.

What's the use of bringing back the computer to a slightly different worldline since you know there are just as many worldlines in which no-one returns to bring back computer?

The decisions and actions we take as individuals can only help those who we have direct interaction with. I believe it is wrong to be capable of helping and do nothing. My struggle is in the irony that if everyone just "did nothing", on every worldline, there would be no action and thus no immorality or evil (no good either).

I'm very interested in your comments on the greed of humanity. You're unique perspective of humanity at this point (2001 and 2036) is valuable.

Please feel free to ask anything you like.

Can you record a voice message for us before you leave?

Yes. I am considering trying to videotape my departure and having my parents post it after I leave. That should keep you all busy for a while.

What sort of future do you imagine after 2036? Will we colonize the solar system?

Keep in mind that not all humans were destroyed but we were all affected. There is an effort going into colonizing space because it is believed that the problems of overpopulation were a large cause of the war. Personally, my generation sees itself as having a duty to try and repair the mess our fathers handed to us. When we were young, most of us had a small taste of the world you live in now and our only dream is to clean it up and give it back to those still able to have children.

01-30-2001 06:21 AM

Sometimes I imagine what it would be like to approach the Wright Brothers in 1910, before their first flight, and make the suggestion that in a mere thirty years, man would be on the brink of flying through the air at the speed of sound.
What tools would I be able to show them that would convince them? Would a picture of a jet airplane do it? Would complicated math and physics equations do it? Would it take a ride? Perhaps there will be a way to share the photos again but I don't expect it would convince anyone. I would only hope they would spark conversation and make the reality of time travel a little more personal.
Although I have no personal experience with non-mechanical time travel, I cannot discount it. Physics has a way of making the impossible a reality.
I'm not here to study anyone. My objective was in 1975 and the reason I'm here now is my family. I find my preconceptions of what I would encounter interesting. Being exposed to a society through its art, music and advertising is one thing and experiencing it is another.
I'm not sure the physics of time travel is really that hard to grasp. Most of the working theory has been around on a large scale since 1970 and the technical breakthroughs are happening on your worldline right now.
Technology is not gone in 2036 nor is it the private domain of "government" leaders. Computer printers just didn't work very well on 12 volts and many people just got used to doing things the old way. After the war, the main problem was distribution. Can anyone tell me how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out.

01-31-2001 02:14 AM

I'm not aware of any predictions I made or perhaps we do not agree on the definition. What anyone chooses to do based on something I might say will not affect me in the least. My goal is not to believed and I submit that your life would not be any better (and perhaps worse) if you did believe me. You placed "tests" before me that I must pass. Why? What do I have to gain by passing them?
The fact is there is nothing I can say or show you or let you drop hydrochloric acid on that will "make" you believe me and I really don't want that. It would be nice to discuss your view on religion, politics, physics and the mechanical requirements of time travel but in order to engage in those types of conversations, I must apparently tell you who wins the hockey game next week. I'm just guessing that if were to write out the ten lines for Fermat's final proof you wouldn't be very impressed either.
(1) Industrialized mass production does not produce the uncountable tonnage of useless consumer items so gleefully absorbed by your society. I would estimate there are about 10 units like mine (C204) and twenty larger units (C206). The main difference is the sensitivity and number of the main Cesium clocks. I would estimate that some sort of public time travel will be common around 2045.
(2) I'm not aware of any other time traveler's "here" now. But if they are here, I'm sure they're pouring over sports history books so they can go back in time another week and start a friendly conversation on the web.
(3) The "Mad Cow" story here is yet to begin but don't worry, the fruited gelatin deserts are safe.
(4) I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger".
Ethics is an excellent topic of discussion and I hope we can move past a collective insistence of applying everything to this frame of reference.

01-31-2001 03:41 PM

The distortion unit reaches its target destination by using very sensitive gravity sensors and atomic clocks. The basic unit of calculation is the second. So yes, in a sense you do "dial in" in a date and the computer system controls the distortion field. At maximum power, the unit I have is capable of traveling about 10 years an hour.
Unfortunately, time travel is not an exact science. There is inherent error and chaos in the computers ability to make accurate calculations. Based on the current technology of the clocks and sensors, distortion units are only accurate to about 60 years or so. So no, in 2036, we are unable to travel back 1000 years due to the error rate in the system. The divergence between the worldline of origin and the target worldline would be too great. If one were to try and travel back that far, history would look nothing like what you would expect.
The unit has mass limits but the 204 is capable of transporting about three people and equipment. I don't think you would like 2036 very much.
The 5100 had a very simple and unique feature that IBM did not account for and decided it was not in their best interest to advertise (which in hindsight was not very smart). This accidental feature was thus removed from any future desktop computers. In order to take advantage of this feature, the 5100 I have now required a couple of special "tweaks" that had to be done by one of the software engineers in 1975. Anyone who is familiar with this feature and was told to keep their mouth shut about it will be able to tell you what it is.
Yes we still have toilet tissue and some people still suffer from extreme anal fixation.
I have noticed and gotten used to the act of verbal conflict as a cathartic entertainment. I don't totally understand it but I take no offense by it either. Perhaps we could just arm wrestle some day and still be able to have a pleasant conversation.
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.
The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created, captured and cleaned at a much larger and "circular" facility. The dual event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.
Perhaps it would have been clearer to state that the math has been around since 1970. I would urge you to examine the properties of Kerr black holes and Tipler cylinders. An actual working prototype was first tested in 2034. On my worldline, time travel is not a public recreation but we are all aware that it exists. You may be disappointed to know that the ability to manipulate gravity is not the technical challenge that had to be overcome.
Miniaturizing the clocks and sensors, creating clever ways to vent x-rays and creating a computer system dependable enough to calculate the changes required to the field were the main challenges. There are no missing pieces, just missing energy levels and a few very interesting subatomic particles.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:28 PM

THE TIME TRAVEL TALE OF JOHN TITOR

02-01-2001 08:36 AM

Unfortunately, winners of historical sports betting events are not high on the priority list of people in 2036. As a thought experiment, if I did tell you who the winning horse was and you killed it before the final race, would that make me a liar or would it support my statement that our worldlines are about 2% different? Do you know who won that race 30 years ago?

02-01-2001 11:28 AM

If you could change one thing about your government right now, what would it be?

The United States is still a representative republic in 2036 but it was touch and go for a while. After the war, the U.S. had divided into 5 general areas based on their economic and defensive strengths. Many people blamed the government organization for the war and the last Constitutional Congress was held in 2020 to officially scrap the Constitution and start over. Fortunately, this exercise in anger pointed out how hard it was to come up with anything better. It was decided the document wasn't at fault. As a result, there have been a few small changes to the Constitution and the executive branch but you would easily recognize it. The average citizen is more educated about the Constitution and aware of the rights and responsibilities it gives them. Federal power has been decentralized and the focus of daily politics is in the state senates. Federal law has also been streamlined but much harder to change or make additions to.

The people who sign my paycheck told me why we needed a 5100 and sent me off to get one. I was not in a position to make alternate suggestions. As I recall, isn't the Cray a rather large system? We need something portable. The 5100 isn't required for its reliability, its needed to translate between APL, UNIX and a few obscure IBM mainframe languages.

The fishing is great and you're more than welcome to join us but the "me" here is only three. I'll have to tell him your coming.

02-02-2001

Yes, I age and my hair and nails grow at normal rates. Please keep in mind that gravity distortion does involve some dilation effects but "jumping" between worldlines are time-like trips, not space-like trips.

The air is about the same although I do smell and taste industrial odors here my parents cannot. The food in the future is grown and raised naturally inside the community structure. This is done primarily for safety reasons. I am amazed at the risks people here are willing to take with processed food. All of the food I eat here is grown and prepared by my family or myself.

Unfortunately, I do not know if we are acquainted on my worldline. Yes, love is a challenge. What's harder is knowing you could go back and correct a mistake but at the cost of the "you" on that worldline.

The questions about the president and space travel are reasonable but now we come to a conflict between physics and ethics. First, the ethics:

I have seen a television program about a man who is able to speak with the dead. When I watch the show, I am more afraid about the possibility that what he is doing is real not weather or not he is doing it. Since I will be leaving this worldline in the coming year, I could easily tell you that the President lives or dies in the next four years. In fact, I could probably find some way to even charge you for it.

When the day comes for my "prediction" to be realized it will either happen or not. If it does happen, then your ability to judge your environment is crippled by your acceptance of me as a "knower of all things" and gifted with the ability to tell the future. If I am wrong, then everything I have said that might possibly have made you think about your world in a different way is suddenly discredited. I do not want either.

Although I do have personal reasons for being here and speaking with you, the most I could hope for is that you recognize the possibility of time travel as a reality. You are able to change your worldline for better or worse just as I am. Although this will make me a far less interesting time traveler, these are the rules I personally try to hold to:

1. I will not disclose any information that will cause someone to personally gain by its knowledge. This means no stock or sports tips.

2. I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone to avoid death by probability. This means no earthquake or bomb information.

3. I will not disclose any information that may compromise any future actions by individual people or threaten their family and well-being. I will not disclose names or events associated with individuals.

Now for the physics: The grandfather paradox is impossible. In fact, all paradox is impossible. The Everett-Wheeler-Graham or multiple world theory is correct. All possible quantum states, events, possibilities and outcomes are real, eventual and occurring. The chances of everything happening someplace at sometime in the superverse is 100%. (For all you scientists out there, if Schrödinger's cat had a time machine, he might not be in the box at all.)

Therefore, there is a worldline where you are alive and another where you have gone back in time to kill your relative.

Differences between worldlines are measured from the perspective of the time traveler in terms of divergence percentage. The higher the divergence, the more "un-like" your destination worldline looks like compared to your worldline of origin.

Therefore, any "prediction" I might make has a slight chance of being incorrect anyway and you now have the ability to act on it based on what I've said. Can you stop the war before it gets here? Sure. Will you do it? Probably not.

As far as space travel goes, no, we are not on Mars yet but we're trying very hard so we can avoid another "Hell's Kitchen" outcome from an overpopulated Earth

02-02-2001 10:09 AM

Perhaps it would be better if you just considered me a fraud. I really don't have a problem with that. If that were the case, could we then have discussions that you were comfortable with?

If I knew someone was going to die, and there was a chance I could stop it, I have a moral obligation to do something about it.

I can think of a couple of examples.

If the Egyptians knew the Red Sea was going to drown them, do you think they would have pursued Moses?

If you could go back in time to 1941 and tell the radar operators to take a second look at the radar screen on December 7th, would you? Before you say yes and accept that parade in your honor down Main Street, perhaps you should go forward in time and see if the U.S still had the motivation to make the A-bomb before Hitler did.

02-02-2001 10:53 AM

I fail to understand why my words generate so much conflict. I think it's far better for you to consider what I say as fantasy so there is no question of credibility. How is my credibility going to affect your life? I don't want you to believe me and it doesn't affect me in the least if you did.

I don't know any other way to tell you that I am unaware of what happens in the next week, especially in Hollywood. Just curious, that's a common question, why do you think I would know something about that?

Yes, it's very possible that what I say would spin your future off into a different direction. But since what I say is "bogus" that shouldn't be a problem.

On a philosophical level, the existence of multiple worlds implies a moral balance in the superverse. For every worldline you perform a good action, there is a worldline where you perform a bad action. There are no good and bad people, just good and bad decisions. We can only be responsible for what we do as individuals on the worldline we are on now.

So take heart! Somewhere out there is a worldline where I'm spilling all the beans on Hockey, the stock market and Hollywood and you're all off to Vegas and Wall Street making millions of dollars.

I do very much enjoy these conversations and I'm working on the other questions.

02-02-2001 11:41 AM

As far as the war goes, my best advice is to find at least 5 people within 100 miles of you that you trust with your life.

No, I haven't met any other time travelers here and although from my perspective that's highly unlikely, it's not impossible. No, I don't have any additional information concerning crop circles, ETs or UFOs. I find those subjects rather interesting myself and it's one of the reasons I was drawn to this web site.

Can you give us some personal stories of your past?

I was born in 1998 so I do share some childhood memories with all of you. I remember going to Disney World at Christmas and I remember going to the beach in Daytona. When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.

From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.

Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it). The civil war ended in 2015 when Russia attacked the U.S. cities (our enemy), China and Europe. As unusual and bad as my childhood might seem, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Africa is not a pleasant place to be in 2036 although I would characterize it as recovering.

The music you enjoy now is quite popular and available it's just not produced in anywhere near the same amount. There is a revival of "local" and classical music. Many people have learned to play their own. I personally enjoy Big Band, some Classical and interesting lyrical pieces from the 1970s and 1980s.

If time travel is possible, what does that do to the religious? If I exist on many time lines, which one is really me?

This is an excellent question that causes a great deal of controversy. Since every possible outcome, event and possibility is happening and will happen, then all good and all evil balances out in the superverse.

After the reality of multiple worlds sank into our collective thought, the one basic change to all religious dogma is the concept that good and evil does not exist as an organized force in our lives nor can it be used as a useful way to judge what God may think of a situation.

Good and evil are personal experiences that can only guide what we do as individuals and how we relate to others. This outlook also makes it impossible for me to judge any other person or event. We cannot see the entire universe as God sees it therefore we will never be Gods or be capable of judging anything outside of ourselves. My actions can only be judged as good and bad by me and my God.

There is also an area of thought that maintains all of the "yous" out there will make up the "you" that eventually returns to God. In that manner, it is frustrating to know that you are capable of and acting on all of the thoughts and ideas you have regardless of what the "you" here is doing. How good or evil do you think you can be?

There is even an idea (supported in physics apparently but I have a hard time with this one) that there is some sort of communication going on between all of the "yous" that are out there. Some people think that memories, intuition and conscious are actually attempts by one version of "you" to talk to another.

Yes, we still have football and you will easily recognize it in 2036.

I am posting here because I enjoy talking with people without having to hide who I am, it's safe for me and my family and I can gather historical information from you and the web.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:29 PM

Yes, I have superiors. However, from their perspective, I will only have been gone a split second. The only real risk I am taking is spending too long outside my main line and risking a probability error (dying, accident, etc.). Based on the physics of gravity displacement, I can't leave when I ever I want anyway and I do have some leeway into how I conduct my mission.

It is impossible for me to change any worldline that I am not on. Nothing I do here will affect my home. The "60 year flux" is a limitation of my machine, not of physics. Jet planes can't fly into space, my machine is not reliable past a 60 + year destination.

You've been to Cedar Key? You must be aware I don't know any personal information about you. If I was going to guess, I would say it's important to avoid the rattlesnake or you might be "walking" back to shore. You may be happy to know that although the bridge is gone, Cedar Key is still there.

The computer is from 1975, Rochester MN.

Yes, the Pearl Harbor example relates to Y2K. Have you considered that I might already have accidentally screwed up your worldline?

Potential Hazard of being a Time Traveler --- Always putting things off until you can "get back" to doing them.

What's even worse is having the ability to go back and help the "you" there and you won't listen to yourself.

02-05-2001 11:28 AM

Yes, there is a log and my report and debriefing will agree with it. I have no reason to lie about where I am and why I'm here.

There are no crimes against time. However, if I were to go on some sort of a murder spree and I admitted it when I returned, then I would be held responsible for the crime of murder.

I am no more able to affect your worldline than you are. Yes, I could make the changes you suggested but you must remember that there are an infinite number of worldlines out there where I didn't and I don't. In fact, there's even a worldline out there where you're the time traveler and I'm the one writing the question.

I think the war would be good for you and your society. I don't want to stop it.

Nothing I do here will affect any other worldline. "My" original worldline will always be the same and yes I can make changes here that would make this worldline different from mine but so can you.

02-05-2001 02:09 PM

ATTENTION! The following is a secret message for all mindless robot slaves controlled by time travelers. If you are unable to read this, please disregard it. This is an emergency, can someone do me a favor and look up everything they can find on Maxwell's equations, relativity and the formulas for volts and amps. I left all my physics books back in the time machine. Remember, just because I control your mind doesn't mean I think you're an idiot. MESSAGE OVER.

Yes, there are significant advances in computer science. It's interesting how easy it is to be fixated on the "machine" itself without any curiosity about many of the support systems. This is not really big news but if / then is out and if /then /maybe is in.

Yes I am with the "me" on this worldline and he is three now. I find that fact to be rather hard for people to get along with so I don't bring it up directly. This is the second time I have "met myself".

The "machine" is owned by the military. I am part of a unit stationed in Tampa Florida. The real energy is in creating the machine, not operating it. It's interesting you should bring up the divergence percentage. You may find it entertainingly interesting to know that the divergence can be more accurate with more sensitive gravity sensors and clocks. The C206 uses 6 Cesium clocks and an active method of timing the changes in the atom.

02-06-2001 06:35 AM

We time travel to solve problems. A great deal of effort is going into repairing the environment and infrastructure.

I think there is only one God. I also think that our soul may be a combination of all the collective thoughts and actions of the infinite "yous". If that is true, it becomes very difficult to define death until all worldlines come to an end.

(1) Who wins the (sporting event) for the next 20 years?

I don't know. Even if I did, you could stop the horse(s)anyway and make it untrue.

(2) Who will be elected president for the next 20 years?

Please see number 2.

(3) Will there still be (popular motorcycle) around when you are born?

I was born in 1998.

(4) Please tell me the price of gold for the last 20 years.

I don't understand the importance of this type of information. Please tell me your opinion why this is interesting and worth remembering for 30 years.

(5) Will it still be lawful for me to own handguns?

I thought owning a handgun was legal in the United States? Yes, being familiar with firearms (along with the other responsibilities of the Constitution) becomes an important part of people's lives in thirty years.

(6) Is it possible for you to bump into yourself when you are time traveling?

Yes that is possible and there are no limitations on interacting with them. I find it interesting that there is some sort of collective negativity with the idea of doing that. Could it be that we are not really that comfortable with ourselves and therefore we cannot imagine meeting, liking or helping another one of us on another worldline?

(7) Can I go with you on your journeys through time? Anybody else want to go?

I could probably manage three people with me. However, I would have to dump a great deal of archival material to get you in. I'm not sure you would like 2036 very much.

02-06-2001 08:33 AM

Russia and China have always had a very strange relationship. Even the news I see now indicates that continued weapons deals to allies, border clashes and overpopulation will lead to hostilities. The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand". I'm assuming you are all aware that China has millions of male soldiers right now that they know will never be able to find wives. The attack on Europe is in response to a unified European army that masses and moves East from Germany. Also, please be aware that from my viewpoint, Russia attacked my enemy who was in the U.S. cities. Yes, the U.S. did counter attack.

Based on what I know about the 5100 (IBM computer), it has a few very interesting and worthwhile properties that make it worthwhile for a time traveler to recover. Also, please keep in mind that civilization is recovering from a war. Yes, we do have the technology but many of the tools were lost.

As you are probably aware, UNIX will have a timeout error in 2038 and many of the mainframe systems that ran a large part of the infrastructure were based on very old IBM computer code. The 5100 has the ability to easily translate between the old IBM code, APL, BASIC and (with a few tweaks in 1975) UNIX. This may seem insignificant but the fact that the 5100 is portable means I can easily take it back to 2036. I do expect they will create some sort of emulation system to use in multiple locations.

When I arrived, I approached my father and was easily able to prove to him who I was. I am currently with my parents and the "me" who is three. They are very aware of what I am doing, why I am here and when I will be leaving. It may interest you to know that my father still does not truly believe the machine works even after touching and seeing it. Yes, education is still taught in a classroom but the entire focus and system looks nothing like what you have now. Don't worry, you won't miss it.

I still don't buy your story.

I understand your viewpoint and I respect it. However, I am confused by a twist in the way the language is used. Another fellow who posted earlier was a bit upset over what I was saying because he thought I was soon going to ask for money by selling something. Since I don't have anything to sell I am curious why, "I…don't buy your story", is the natural way to say what you did. I am aware that it's off the cuff to say but wouldn't it be better to say I don't believe your story? Why is the other way so common?

02-08-2001 09:40

I would characterize world politics as two boxers who have just gone multiple rounds and they're both pretty beat up. I'm sure someone out there wants to kill us but no one is very organized yet. There is a great deal of fear over rogue groups coming across un-launched missile systems, 55-gallon drums of Anthrax or portable nuclear weapons.

Korea United?

I guess you could say that. Taiwan, Japan and Korea were all "forcefully annexed" before N Day.

I don't remember a great deal about media coverage during the civil conflicts. I would probably characterize it the same way you see coverage of Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez.

From my viewpoint, yes, this is an alternate timeline. From your viewpoint, no.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:30 PM

I have thought again about how to revel information that would make me more believable but I always come across the following problems:

1. All of you become much less interesting as sheep. I can't talk to you if you're not skeptical.

2. Anything I say could be acted on beforehand and changed anyway.

3. All the really interesting information is months or years away and I'd be gone when it happens.

4. I find it morally wrong to assist someone with anything where they might gain and someone else would lose or die.

5. There's a slim chance your worldline is just different enough my "prediction" won't happen.

6. I simply don't know.

Consider that you are a time traveler who goes back in time to the first week of February 1970 and you are confronted with the same problem. What do you remember right now about the second week of February 1970?

Naturally, the conflict in Vietnam and the Middle East come up but as someone has already stated here, "that's old news". I suppose I could predict the failure of Apollo 13 spacecraft but since time travel is ridiculous, I would be blamed for sabotage. I might even decide to tell you about an earthquake in Peru but then people that would have died by chance will now live and vice versa.

All I can think of is to make something up. So here goes: The space shuttle mission may or may not have a problem connecting the new lab to the space station.

How was that?

02-08-2001 01:18 PM

I enjoy the conversation and I will respond.

The "pattern" of exchange in the war will not be a surprise. Many people will perish as a result of starvation and disease. I would also submit that you already know if you're safe or not. The trick is to not turn off your fear when you'll need it the most.

Australia is sort of interesting in what is unknown. After the war, they were not very cooperative or friendly (can't blame them really). It is known they did repulse a Chinese invasion and most of their cities were hit. They have a trading relationship with the U.S. but I would characterize them as reclusive and ticked off.

When people use phrases like "See what I mean", "You're not hearing what I'm saying" or "Something smells fishy", they are indicating the primary sense they use to process information about a situation. I find it interesting that my credibility and the phrases that describe it hinge on economic terms and whether or not I have something to sell. I don't. I also don't know how to clarify my position any better so I would suggest that if what I say angers you, it might be best to just consider it fiction. Soon you'll get bored and I will leave in a few months. Either way, it won't be an issue.

The "enemy" that was attacked by Russia in the U.S. was the forces of the government you live under right now.

I think you are just some guy who likes to mislead people.

I do not seek followers to mislead. I seek safety, animosity (did he mean anonymity) and good conversation.

(2). To me it would seem obvious that we both have a very different perspective on what's important right now in 2001. I would think that's what makes our interaction interesting. Would I be anymore believable if I told you I had just stopped a horrible event and you won't hear about it because it didn't happen? Again, this is the second time it has come up and I am very curious. Why would you expect a time traveler to know or care about what happens in Hollywood or some individual companies profits? You seem to think I have tomorrow's paper in front of me. Is that what time travel means to you?

(3) I never said I was a scientist. If this is about economics somehow and you hope to "buy" my story, then what do I gain by "selling" it?

(5) You already know that cars are dangerous and planes crash. I'm very confident you are capable of killing yourselves without my intervention. Actually, my moral obligation has nothing to do with you, it's between me and God.

Deception? Exactly what standard do you use to measure the truth around you? I have seen other threads with amazing and potentially real experiences on them. Why am I more threatening?

I have no memory of meeting an older me as a three year old. The events between worldlines are isolated and nothing I do here will affect my worldline. Yes, my parents are alive in 2036 but they have no experience with a time traveling "me" in their 2001 either.

02-08-2001 06:59 PM

For all of you interested in coming back with me to 2036, perhaps we should discuss the trip. Please be aware, the displacement unit moves through time, not space. First, we will be driving the current vehicle (Chevy truck) with the displacement unit in it to Tampa Florida. From there, we will go back to my arrival date on this worldline. Then we will have to drive to Minnesota, sell the current vehicle and get another one that would have been around in 1975.

We will then move the displacement unit (500 lbs or so) into the new vehicle and go back to 1975. Once in 1975, we'll drive back to Tampa and make the final hop to 2036. If you'd like to stay in 1975, you're welcome to do that. It can also get quite hot and stuffy during the trip and you'll be subjected to a 1.5 to 2 G force the entire time. You'll also need some sort of a re-breather system or oxygen supply.

I have found that many misunderstandings and arguments are based on the differences in understanding over a single word. Two different cultures can have a drastic impact on the meaning of words like "proof", "trust" and "credibility". My frustration is in understanding the use of the words. I am trying to follow the logic of all of the comments.

After reading the questions, I want to paint a picture that may help with the general theme of our collective experience in 2036. The war had very profound affects on people and how they relate to each other. As individuals, almost everyone in 2036 is very familiar with death. We all have stories of loved ones that have died from disease, war or acts of inhumanity. Most of us have even taken part in dishing the same thing out to the other side. As a result, we have become far more compassionate to the ones we love but mush less forgiving to those who don't pull their weight. We are more accepting of other's differences in our community because we depend on them to survive. We are also more conservative with our resources and closer to God because for a period, life on Earth was Hell.

The other major difference is in the concept of good and evil. With multiple worlds come multiple decisions and outcomes. For every good act, there is an equal and possible bad act on another worldline. Taken to the extreme, this must mean that in God's eyes, there is no total good and total bad in the superverse. It balances itself out to infinity. I believe we are judged on the decisions we make as individuals and the good/evil I see on my worldline is an illusion that has no worth to God. My reaction to it is what's important to God. Although this may seem rather heartless, it does allow me to see past the evil that people do and acknowledge the core of potential goodness inside them.

2. I am currently based in Tamp Florida in Hillsborough County.

3. Yes I am free but I have obligations as a citizen. Everyone is required to have basic military training and provide a period of time for community service. It is very much like a type of mandatory National Guard service + Peace Corps.

4. Yes civil liberties are more important. You will feel the same after having your house searched a couple of times.

5. We do not live in a racist society but definitely a prejudice one. Everyone carries their own water.

6. Our government looks very much like yours. It is a representative republic.

7. My definition of a patriot is anyone who defends the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

8. Religion has become far less centralized. Extremes tend to bring you closer to God so I would characterize religion and spirituality as a much more of a personal institution.

9. I do not know what happens when we die. However, I don't think it will be easy. There may be some very difficult decisions we have to make when we die that we are totally unprepared for.

10. It's difficult to define the most predominant religion. Christianity has fragmented into many groups and people with different beliefs speak mush more openly with others who have different outlooks and opinions. I would imagine there are large groups of Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims but I have not come across them personally.

11. No, Jesus did not come back. At least not that I'm aware of. If or when Jesus returns, do you think he'll be a lamb or a lion?

12. No mission to Mars but we are working on it. There is a group working on the idea of gravity displacement to get into space but the calculations and error rate are very large obstacles to overcome.

13. We don't know what's on Mars yet.

14. We're not on the moon yet either. A great deal of technical effort is going into cleaning the planet up.

15. I'm not aware of any "mind control" devices being used on you now. However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems…" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?

16. I'm not familiar with the term Psionics. I'll look it up and see if we just have another word for it.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:37 PM

17. Yes, Europe is a mess.

18. Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself. I would consider them the combination of the old U.S. federal system, Europe, Canada and Australia.

19. When you say "teleportation", I assume you mean public transportation. Yes, we have a basic high-speed system.

20. I don't know if the government created AIDS. I tend to think yes but controlling it escaped them as it mutated. You can't have conspiracy to limit the population with a disease without the cure.

21. Yes, homosexuals are in the army. You tend to look past the individual differences of people when their job is to protect your life.

22. Yes, there are "gay" people in 2036.

23. I am a white male.

24. Yes, there is an entertainment industry. Again, it is very decentralized. The technology to express yourself with video is so readily available that many people do it all by themselves or in small groups. Much of the distribution is over the web. I would compare it theater here.

25. I don't know what you mean by VR?

26. The average lifespan is about 60 but I expect that will improve as we get things cleaned up.

27. Yes, paper money is still widely used.

28. The 21st century has awhile to go but the most significant person in my opinion is the farmer-general who led us to victory.

29. Even for you, Tesla technology can be found in appliances, motors and generators. I would have to say we have come a long way on Tesla's foundation but we don't have electricity rays that cause earthquakes.

30. Getting back to my exact worldline of origin is impossible but it depends on how you define the correct worldline. I can get close enough so neither I nor anyone there would know the difference. It relates to the classic example of cutting a distance in half to reach it. You can always get closer but never there. It also has a lot do with neighboring universes on Penrose diagrams but that requires more math.

31. Yes, we have the death penalty. We also have public punishment.

32. The most common crime is theft.

33. I don't understand what you mean by "race mixing".

34. Cloning is not common. However, altering the sperm and egg cell are common. It is very difficult to have children in 2036 for environmental reasons.

35. It's hard to say what the exact racial make up of the U.S. is. I would say it's probably the same minus 130 million people or so.

36. No, there is no segregation.

37. The education system is very similar to yours but the organization and implementation is controlled on a community and county level. Various communities also specialize in certain disciplines.

38-39. My comments on equal rights and "women's roles" could be quite lengthy and controversial. I wish to discuss that separately. However, women do fight in the military just as the men do but their role on the community level is very conservative.

40. Having children is such a serious issue in 2036 that birth control is almost unheard of. It is very difficult and precious to have and raise children. Again, this is an issue I will be happy to go into later.

41. Yes, there are same sex marriages but it's not very common. Again, people have lived through so much hardship that if what someone else is doing does not affect them or harm the community, it's not a big issue.

42. South America went relatively unharmed. However, there is still a great deal of internal conflict with conventional arms.

43. Yes, people use drugs that alter consciousness but they are not very common.

44. Yes, I know who the Beatles are. Old music and other entertainment is available on the web.

45. There is another Pope but I do not know his name.

I do believe that "you're" UNIX will also have a problem in 2038. I don't think that's a secret but maybe someone should put a 5100 aside for thirty years or so.

John

02-09-2001 02:02 PM

Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian exist in your news archives. Telling you about impending plane crashes or other disasters (provided I could give you exact dates and times) may save lives at one point but cause cascading changes that take others at a later point.

I enjoy the posts because it's very hard to remain safe and have a conversation. I have often seen the classic question, "why don't time travelers revel themselves'? That's easy, if you believe us, you'll drug us into oblivion and put us in a small dark cell while men in white lab coats take a Phillips head screw driver to the magnetic lock on the singularity drive housing.

I will examine the web site you mentioned. I believe the 5100 is unique in its ability to run assembler language on the 360-machine platform and still be portable. I'm not sure if that fact was ever made public so it's the best "proof" I have. I would like to examine the software you mentioned; perhaps I can further justify my side-trip.

Yes, EMP took out a great number of electronic devices. That's one of the reasons why we don't have reliable technology laying around. However, in the opening hours of N Day, the Russians did not launch any high altitude detonations. They knew we would most likely clean up after them so they wanted everyone outside the cities to be able to communicate. Most of the warheads that hit the cities came in threes and exploded close to the ground. The heavy EMP damage was isolated to those areas.

Actually, you will probably be quite impressed with our Internet. It's based on a series of independent, self-powered nodes that are mobile and can be put up anywhere. It looks a great deal like your current cell phone system.

02-10-2001 09:49 AM

Thank you for the information. I will visit the site and I expect I will have some questions.

Yes, there are a great many people who think that Revelations has come to pass. However, the new fear is that Christ has returned, he's not telling us and he's very angry. I am not familiar with the Fatima Prophesies but I am aware of the term. I was not sent here to change anything. Since it would not affect my home anyway, it would be rather pointless.
I am here because of my family and the interaction I had with them in 1975. I understand the question about the Antichrist but I must admit I hadn't given it much thought. My initial reaction is to consider how the Antichrist would affect my life if I could identify him/her. If your life became a sort of "Hell" anyway, would it matter if the Antichrist was real?

I became aware of this bulletin board through my various archiving work through the web. We do enjoy "talk programs" but they are distributed over the web. I don't have additional information about UFOs and I find the subject quite interesting myself. I have often wondered if they aren't time travelers with very sophisticated machines. Based on what I know about the nature of time I find this difficult to believe but nothing is impossible.

Yes, handmade items and the skills to make them are quite prevalent and people take a great deal of pride in their work. People with the skills to make clothing, work with leather and wood or cultivate a garden have become quite valuable. Please do not think your questions are unimportant. I enjoy the conversation.

Fiji? I've noticed that when most Americans think about Canada in this time, they think about pine trees, chooks and back-bacon. It may interest you to know that most Canadians in 2036 are some of the most efficient, ruthless and dangerous people I know. God help Quebec.

Within limits, I'm confident my anonymity is secure. The various email and web accounts I have do not have a big sign that says "Time Machine This Way". In order to be at risk I would have to be believed. In my experience, evil may be powerful, but they aren't very bright.

You couldn't even answer one simple question about music?

Unfortunately, your question is rather difficult for me. Any personal experience I might have with your worldline at a specific moment is limited to my viewpoint and age. I can't tell you what music is popular in the next few years because the "me" here is only three years old. In addition, how does someone decide what the most popular music trend is? It would seem rather subjective to me. Thinking about it now I sort of wonder what it would be like to be a teenager now and know the answer to that question. When I was thirteen I used to worry about which shotgun slug would take a door handle off and whether or not I had any dry socks. Current fallout estimates are accurate but a bit exaggerated.

Your example of what people would do based on something I might say is accurate. However, my concern would be the potential actions of a single person, not the masses. In 1963, if I suggested that someone should watch the book depository windows as the President went by, the actions of a single person might have a huge impact on history. You also asked if I've visited my "past" family. That's where I am now.

Once a micro-singularity is produced and placed in a magnetic field, what is the approximate strength of that field. How is the magnetic field produced? What would happen if that field failed?

These are excellent questions that I probably won't answer to your satisfaction but let me make a couple of points first. Although I am familiar with the general manufacture of the unit, I am not a physicist or a scientist. My background is in history and I had the correct profile to accomplish my given task in 1975. I doubt that most jet fighter pilots are aeronautical engineers and I'll bet most of you couldn't give me the formula for horsepower, yet you drive a car every day.

The second point I can illustrate with an interesting story. In the opening phases of WWI, one of the largest problems early fighter pilots had was how to shoot a machine gun through the propeller blades without chopping it to bits. The problem was very straightforward. When the engine was off, the blades took up only a small percentage of the total arch but with the engine on, there was seemingly no way to know when it was safe to shoot through them. This problem lasted for quite a while until a very smart person came up with a very simple solution. By using a small lobed cam on the propeller shaft that controlled a switch on the machine gun, it was possible to stop the gun from firing only when the cam turned off the switch at the point a bullet might hit the blade. It was so simple in fact the other side only caught on to the idea after one of the planes crashed and they were able to take it apart.

My point is; seemingly very complicated problems often have very simple and ingenious solutions using technology that is already available. The distortion unit is not magic and no alien technology was required to make it work. If you could see it, the "smarts" that went into designing it will amaze you more than the technology. Heck, the really interesting technology is in the computer.

The magnetic field does not require the fantastic energies you might imagine. The field is "created" and captures the singularity inside a very large and powerful specially designed particle accelerator. If the magnetic system failed (which has numerous backups including a system that would remove it from this worldline), the singularity would evaporate. Although it is smaller than an electron, it would still be quite undesirable.

Why do you keep telling us about the war? How do you know that will even happen in our worldline? Something may have already changed and it won't happen at all

Yes, you are correct! However, I am not confident things are different enough for you to avoid the conflict. You may also consider the possibility that a world with no war is far less desirable in the long run. In response to your other point, your assumptions about causality are correct but my personal morality still comes into play. I won't deviate from my three rules because of the way I would feel about myself.

The singularities do not create Tipler cylinders they create the same physical environment without all the mass. The same math works for both. There are two singularities. Their mass and spin is altered in order to adjust the size of the ergosphere and cause the event horizons to interact and create the gravity sinusoid. I have a basic home schooling education (k-12) and a bachelor's degree in history.

I will get to the remaining questions soon.

John

11 February 2001 18:43

Greetings everyone! I've missed you all too. As I'm sure (name from forum) can tell you, my email system is made up of quite a few addresses, locations and computers. Some of them work better than others and for a period of time, I have been unable (in my own way) to get to this site.

It appears I've come back at just the right moment. I see you're all asking yourselves questions about who I really am, what I want and why I'm here. Frankly, I really can't blame you but perhaps it's a bit easier now to understand why I not only didn't expect you to believe me and I didn't want you to. As far as my credibility, I thought we had reached some sort of happy medium and we could call each other friend.

I see however that may not be the case and I must admit I'm a bit disappointed. It seems that unless I follow your expectations of what a time traveler should be doing, thinking or feeling than I must be a fraud. Or is it just safer to keep telling yourself that?

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:39 PM

I think it was a terrible idea for John to have told us anything about his story.

Where was this sentiment and concern for my safety as I was telling my "story"?

John was always telling us he has nothing to prove. Why come to a time travel forum and talk at all then?

Is it really that hard to believe that plain old human interaction has it's own merits?

Although John is creative, his declarations on quantum theories have already been proven to be wrong.

Which quantum theories are you talking about? Please forgive me but if I missed a question or if there was something else to go into I would have been happy to do so.

02-12-2001 08:54 PM

Why would a time traveler reveal himself? In John's mission, these actions have no purpose.

I still fail to see why this is a problem. If you can think of another way where I can interact with people I would very much like to hear your suggestions. Why isn't the mere act of speaking with other people an end in itself? Personally, I find the unit interesting and I like talking about it. There must be something in your life like that.

John talks about a civil war being started between the Democrats and Republicans. Later, this escalates into WW3 and he mentions that it is a good thing for us.

I don't believe I ever said the war was between Democrats and Republicans. If I am incorrect, please point that out. It doesn't exactly escalate as much as it opens the door for other aggression. Yes, I think the war would be good for society and I would be happy to debate that with you.

John tells us to buy a gun, find 5 friends, and get a bicycle. This conflicts with his comments about killing us all off.

If you could point out how this violates the three guidelines I stated earlier, I would give it considerable thought. Perhaps you are correct and that was a mistake. Again, I don't believe I said I want to kill you. Personally, I think murder is wrong. You seem to be pretty good at that yourself.

John mentions that he has no idea what GINGER is but he mentions media hype and alludes to IT not amounting to much.

Again, I don't believe I said that either. My point in that conversation was about feeling manipulated by hype. Since they ARE asking you to buy something, I would be very interested in your lengthy and critical postings about ITS credibility. If you could post that link I would very much like to see it.

John mentions the war was between the cities of America, Russia, China, etc.

Hmm, are you familiar with the Russian partisan movement in WWII?

John says the civil war leads to the world war in 2015. The civil war lasts for ten years?

It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant - we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict. The first U.S. civil war lasted 4 years and the English civil war lasted 6. How long is too long?

John says the mechanical typewriter is a major machine again in the future and the Internet still exists and is widely used.

Actually, what I said was, "…you may be surprised at how many people use typewriters." I don't understand the conflict. What's wrong with typewriters? At least you don't have to plug them in.

Thanks for the patience. I'm getting to the other questions.

02-12-2001 11:51 PM

Have you ever been on any other time traveling missions?

Yes, but they were all training missions. There is a great deal of psychological profiling and testing and one of the training missions involved choosing a time in your life (within two years) where you wish you would have done something different and then going back to convince yourself to do it.

The idea is to become familiar with the possibility of meeting yourself, which can be rather difficult. It is quite odd to look at "yourself" and have a conversation. Since any "you" on another worldline would not be a mirror image, you get a slightly distorted feeling while seeing yourself, let alone the concept of speaking to yourself

Could you post a link to the images of your time machine?

I would be happy to do that.

If you have any pictures of the computer you were supposed to get?

I'm pretty sure there must be something on the web now about the IBM 5100.

I looked up the name 'Titor' and couldn't find any. Is your family not listed in the phone book?

I guess it depends when you look.

Can I contact you through any other means?

I've tried talking online before and found it quite enjoyable but I find the questions and comments come so rapidly it's hard to keep up.

What is the exact date that the war starts? If you can't remember, can you tell us the month?

I remember the exact date. When it comes, it will not be a surprise.

What is the speed of the average computer in the future?

GHz is not a useful measurement. Computers are no longer measured by their speed as much as the number of variables (not calculations) they can handle per second.

Can you time travel whenever you want? How much does it cost? Can you make stops along the way back to 2036?

No, the unit doesn't belong to me. I can't make stops on the way home as it will throw the gravity measurements off and it would force me to backtrack. Also, I can't just leave and arrive at any place and time I want to. There are physical and technical limits to when and where I can go.

Have you ever been in your own future?

No, I haven't been to the future of my 2036. My profile qualified me for a trip to the past.

I understand your position and appreciate your supportive outlook. However, I have given some very detailed information that could be checked out. Please consider that our frame of reference is quite different and finding subjects to discuss and exchange information about could be a challenge. I'm just not up on music, Hollywood and sports in the year 2001. You could ask me all you want about 1975 but I suspect that's not very impressive.

Actually it does, I have never personally experienced this time as an adult and (name of popular singing star) was not a big topic of conversation when you're hiking through the swamp. Everything I know about your time is from books, magazines and old videotapes that weren't destroyed in the war. If it makes you feel any better, I do struggle with not talking about football.

The animal Kingdom is alive and well. I'm sure it suffered but there fewer people infringing on animal's habitats now. Nuclear war is a very undesirable thing but it is not the end of the world. There are areas and cities we can't enter and the environment did suffer a great deal of damage but we are recovering. Isn't Hiroshima a thriving city today? The major physical affects include skin cancer, infertility, infection, etc. Almost everyone has some sort of physical remnant from the war.

I am aware the concept of the Rapture is related to Christian Prophecy but I am not familiar with the details. Yes, there are people I trust here and I would hate for any harassment or harm to come to them. I am aware of the Mayan Colander but in 2012, it was not something I was able to think about. When the time comes, I'm sure people will find the signs they are looking for that leads them to the end of time.

When I say fear will keep you alive I am talking about the natural instincts and premonitions that we all turn off when it's convenient. The same person who has five dead bolt locks on their door will think nothing about getting into a parking garage elevator with a total stranger. I think the fear of God is the fear of separation from God.

Some of you may wonder what a time traveler does with his day while he's posting on the web. I spend a great deal of time downloading information and storing it for my return. (Popular radio show host name) site is definitely on that list. I'll have to think about who the most remembered people are. Again, my viewpoint is quite skewed.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:40 PM

Who is the major super power in 2036?

It depends on how you define power. If you mean military, the world has developed into an odd balance. There are plenty of nuclear weapons left but if anyone uses them they, will be instantly erased from the planet by everyone else, regardless of the politics. We are very tired of war.

Are the two political parties still Republicans and Democrats?

There are no Republicans or Democrats to speak of. There are now over 10 major political parties.

How many States are there?

The states, as you know them, still exist but their political power has been combined with other states around them. There are now 5 major geopolitical areas in the United States.

Which states are the worst to live in?

When you can't drink the water it's bad everywhere.

Were only cities along the Eastern US hit in the Nuclear War, or all over the country?

Cities and large military areas in the entire country.

Do companies like (popular software and Internet names) still exist?

No.

Does money look different than it does now?

No, money is pretty much the same. Unfortunately, I do not have any money with me because I wouldn't be able to use it here.

When you time travel you can never actually go back to the exact place you left from?

That is correct. In physical terms, I can never get back to the exact worldline I left from.

Was a lot of the US 18-24 age group killed in the war because of a draft?

Yes.

Do you ever get time travelers from later time periods in 2036?

Not that I'm aware of but I can't say it isn't happening.

Are there any other companies that send out time travelers?

I work for the military. GE just makes the unit.

Does the government know there that time travel going on?

In 2036, yes.

Why were you selected to be a time traveler?

I am related to a key figure in the development of the IBM 5100.

How many time travelers are there on your team? How do they choose new ones?

My unit has between 6 and 10. When I left, there were 7 others. Military service, physical fitness, history or technical background and special relationship to target contacts get you in the door.

Which countries are on our side in the war?

Don't have much to add there.

Which country gets the worst in the war?

Again, the entire world is affected. Even if you don't take a direct hit, dying crops and no water can ruin your day.

Why can't you answer questions about natural disasters? No one can change something now that would cause an earthquake or stop one.

I will not share information that would allow someone to avoid death by probability.

I think you're avoiding questions like that. It just supports the fact that you are not who you say you are.

Again, what I think is important doesn't impress anyone and although I could point to various things I've said about other subjects the response is usually ho-hum tell us about music and sports. I suppose I could lie and make something up but what's the point?

You should have at least a basic understanding of physics.

I do but your questions were rather specific. I would love to talk physics and I'll be happy to walk through the operation of the unit.

By exposing yourself here, you've very likely broken several time travel regulations.

No, I haven't.

Don't you put yourself at risk by doing so?

Yes, that's potentially true but what I gain offsets that. Does that statement answer the question of why time travelers do not revel themselves?

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:41 PM

You should know a lot more about the machines you're operating.

I do know very much about it. I'm just not willing to share it with everyone.

There are inconsistent in several aspects of your posts.

If you could point out the specific questions I will be happy to address them.

Is the (car company) truck better than the (car company) truck for time travel?

The vehicle must have a strong suspension.

How did you buy your truck? How could you title it if you are only 3 years old at this point? How did you pay for it?

Don't worry. Fortunately, these are things we're taught at time travel school in "how to get around in the sarcastic 20th century". I said I didn't have any money from 2036. I have plenty from here.

Does the truck have to be running when you are traveling through time?

The vehicle must be standing still.

02-13-2001 10:51 AM

I just have one question. Do you recognize the name (name from forum)? I want to know because I fully intend to be a prominent figure within the next 20 years.

No, I can't say that I do. However, since I'm archiving all of this and will submit it with my report, it will eventually end up on our Internet.

If you want to leave a message to yourself in the future, please feel free to do so. I would make it broad enough so your name or some other important word will pop up in routine search engine that "you" might be using in 2036.

Also, be aware that the "you" in my 2036 will be unaware that the "you" here left a message at all.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:42 PM

02-13-2001 11:23 AM

My whole reason for asking the unimportant questions is because they are unimportant.

If it's unimportant to you why would it be important to me?

02-13-2001 01:51 PM

John has been unable to explain time travel. I will explain it here.

I could be wrong but I don't recall being asked to "explain time travel". If you could point that out to me in the posts I would appreciate it.

So it's ritualized combat on the battlefield of differential geometry. It's a shame we couldn't have more constructive dialogue on the subject. Of course, I've left my physics book in the time machine so unless you snuck in a hidden landmine, I found your opening move very straightforward. However, you're too confident I won't be able to offer an explanation that I'm sure other physics fans will appreciate. I wonder if Einstein and Grossmann did it this way or maybe they just listened to each other and tried to build on what they thought would work. Oh well.

Debunk my calculations on time travel. You can't, because you are a fraud!

When I look up debunk, I see: "To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham or exaggerated claims." The reason I cannot debunk your calculations is because they are true. They are not false, based on speculative facts or exaggerated. They are just incomplete. What you really want me to do is finish your explanation or I will be an imposter.

There are, however, certain quantities that do remain constant. These constants are related to four-dimensional quantities known as metric tensors.

Actually, I don't think that's correct. Minkowski space-time (4-D) will not allow you to use Pythagoras' theorem to describe tensors because time needs to be expressed with the opposite sign. (please excuse my change of variable case).

ds^2 = -c^2dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2

(where ds describes time-like and space-like trips).

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:46 PM

The tensor we should be discussing is:

ds^2 = -a^2dt^2 + w^2(df - wdt)^2 + (r^2/ D)dr^2 + r^2dq^2

I hope I got the symbols right but you should be able to recognize this…right? nuts... the a, f, r, Delta and q didn't make the translation in this font.

The US government has its hands in everything from biological tests to secret planes that can fly out of Earth's atmosphere.

Care to share with me how you solved the overheating problem on your space plane?

I will get to and review the questions I missed. I apologize if my answers seemed flippant. There are many posts I want to respond to and I am unable to pay as much attention as I would like.

02-13-2001 11:32 PM

As for John Titor's corrections on space-time manipulation, he has completed it correctly. However, he is still an imposter.

Apparently, I have made the leap from "fraud" to imposter. At least that's a start and I respect my opponent on his polite yet quiet concession on the other thread. I wish to emphasize a point I tired to make earlier. Even though I answered the question correctly, it doesn't really prove one way or another if I'm a time traveler and you should not think otherwise. I might just be really quick at looking up things up on the web.

I suppose we could debate whether or not I'm a fraud all the way up to the point I leave your worldline.

14 February 2001 02:55

Actually, it's sort of a good feeling knowing you're out there keeping me honest.

02-14-2001 07:25 AM

My Motive:

I've been in your time a bit longer than I had expected. My next opportunity to go home comes in the spring. For most of my adult life, I have read about, wondered and debated about this time. I value this opportunity to share experiences. If you absolutely believed I was a time traveler, with no skepticism whatsoever, then we would be unable to communicate. The focus of our attention would then always be on the machine. The experiences, opinions and reasons you do things are just as valid as mine and just as different.

I hope to return home with a better understanding of why you think and believe the way you do. Although I do understand the reasons for asking, I won't gain from any communication with you by spouting physics formulas and pop culture predictions. Please do not assume I am purposely avoiding questions. I am human, I get tired, and I forget things. Please, just remind me if I missed a question and I will get to it.

I do have one tip though. If you want me to go over your post in detail put, "Hey John, you're a big Jerk." at the end of the insightful and logical part, not the beginning. In fact, maybe you could just abbreviate it and put a number rating from 1-100 next to it so I know how strong you feel. Something like, HJYABJ (78). It would save space.

The Physics of Time Travel:

ACCELERATION = TIME DIALATION

As pointed out earlier, acceleration will produce time dilation. This can be observed by the "twins paradox". As one twin stays on Earth, the other twin in his accelerating spaceship experiences a slower passing of time. When he returns to Earth, he is noticeably younger than his twin who aged normally in Earth time. This type of "time travel" should have been proven already on this worldline with atomic clock experiments. With sufficient power, this type of time travel will only provide practical displacement in a future direction. This type of time travel is also isolated to a single worldline. You will not meet yourself.

GRAVITY = ACCELERATION

As Einstein pointed out with his STR, the effects of gravity and acceleration are the same. Therefore, you will experience the same time travel effects in the twin paradox by being close to a large gravity source. In the atomic clock experiments mentioned above, the reason there was a difference in time was not because the clock in the plane was moving, it was because the clock in the well was closer to the center of the Earth. Constant speed is not acceleration.

LARGE GRAVITY = STATIC BLACK HOLE

The next step is to find a large gravity source to use in your time machine. Static black holes provide this type of power. As one twin approaches the event horizon or edge of the black hole, the other twin will watch him as he appears to slow down. He will notice his twin's watch run slower until it stops at the event horizon. The twin moving toward the horizon will notice none of this and see his watch running just fine. Although possible, a trip into a static black hole will not take you to another worldline and it's one-way. The force of gravity will crush you.

ROTATING BLACK HOLE = DONUT-SHAPED SINGULARITY

Fortunately, most black holes are not static. They spin. Spinning black holes are often referred to as Kerr black holes. A Kerr black hole has two interesting properties. One, they have two event horizons and two, the singularity is not a point, it looks more like a donut. These odd properties also have a pronounced affect on the black hole's gravity. There are vectors where you can approach the singularity without being crushed by gravity.

DONUT-SHAPED SINGULARITY = PASSAGE INTO ALTERNATE WORLDLINE

Another other more interesting result of passing through a donut singularity is that you travel through time by passing into another universe or worldline. Please see Penrose diagrams for Kerr Black holes or you can examine the calculations of Frank Tipler.

So now the problem becomes where do we find a donut-shaped singularity?

A PONDERING HAWKING = MICROSINGULARITY

Steven Hawking proposed the existence of microsingularities that were created in the big bang. They were probably about the size of a proton and disappeared over the years due to an effect of radiation evaporation. (Yes, black holes do emit energy.)

HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS = ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY

When I first started posting online a few months ago, I said that major breakthroughs in particle physics were around your corner. Soon, CERN will bring their big machine on line and they will be smashing very fast and high-energy particles together. One of the more odd and potentially dangerous items produced from this increase in energy will be microsingularities a fraction of the size of an electron. (

ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY = LOCALIZED KERR FIELD

Through trial and error, and although they are quite heavy, hot and capable of putting out a great deal of energy (300 - 500 megawatts), it's discovered that these microsingularities can be electrified and captured. It is also interesting to note at this point that electrified singularities also have two event horizons. By spinning these various microsingularities, a localized Kerr field is created.

LOCALIZED KERR FIELD = TIPLER SINUSOID

By using two microsingularities in close proximity to each other, it is possible to create, manipulate and alter the Kerr fields to create a Tipler gravity sinusoid. This field can be adjusted, rotated and moved in order to simulate the movement of mass through a donut-shaped singularity and into an alternate worldline. Thus, safe time travel.

I will continue with the individual posts next. Thank you for your patience.

02-15-2001 12:07 PM

The following are personal rules I try to keep (unless of course they conflict with my secret agenda). I look forward to discussing any discrepancies you may find.

PERSONAL RULES FOR TEMPORAL DISCLOSURE:

(1). I will not disclose any information that will cause someone to personally gain by its knowledge.

(2). I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone to avoid death by probability.

(3). I will not disclose any information that may compromise any future actions by individual people or threaten their family and well being.

Thank you for your persistence and patience. It would appear some of my more sarcastic comments are directed at you. They are not and I apologize.

Your future is not unchangeable? Harm may come to a person if I define them as someone who will do something in the future? However, in this case, I just don't know. I am not familiar with pop culture in 2001.

Are you avoiding inquiries for more personal reasons? Her logic is sound and you're avoiding discussing some of the things that people naturally find curious about other cultures.

I very much want to discuss our cultures but please help me understand how you won't be able to change something I tell you happened on my worldline.

What kind of music is popular, what kind of recreation is enjoyable, what holidays are important?

I'm not sure if you wanted to discuss these or not. If yes, I will be happy to do that.

Do you feel some pleasure in breathing clean air and not having to check a radiation counter every few miles?

Yes I do. However there is a fear about being here that I can only define as uncertainty. When I walk around in 2001, the air smells clean but I wonder if it really is. In 2036, there is no gray. The air is either clean or it will kill you. That feeling is very overwhelming when I eat here.

Are there people in this time period who accept you as one?

I have a very few precious relationships with people online who accept me as real or crazy and don't ask any questions. Much of my email flows through them. My parents are the only ones that have access to everything I could use to prove who I am.

How are you financing things?

I have taken very clever and reliable measures to go undetected. Yes, there are probably people like that but I am not in active conversation with them. My expenses are not that large. I spend a great deal of time now archiving.

I spotted few typing errors in John's comments so I will assume that he has had an average education.

You must be energized and anxious to improve your education system then. Please tell me what you plan to do.

Name any near future event that makes history.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:47 PM

You mean other than the mad cow pandemic, the breakthroughs in high-energy physics and the unknown functions of the 5100? I realize I've only been on this board for a few weeks but I assume you've read the other postings I've made about these issues months ago in order to be so definitive.

If you are older than 36 then there should be 2 of you here now. You would both have the same fingerprints and DNA. If you want to prove your case then meet with your younger self and get some evidence.

I am with my younger self. I don't have a case to prove and I wonder how many needles I would be on the receiving end for that one. With your superior education, I assume you already figured out that pretty soon someone might try that with a clone. Be careful what you take for definitive proof.

How long will you be here? When are you going back?

My first opportunity to go home is this spring.

What are you taking back with you?

A lot of hard drives filled with books, archived web sites, pictures and audio files. I'm also taking back family items that were lost in the war.

Is propane still around in the future?

Yes but not very much of it comes from natural gas. Hydrogen is converted into propane because it's easier to handle.

I would hope the location I live in would be spared (the Hawaiian Islands).

My parents went to Hawaii on their Honeymoon. My dad told me a quick story about going to a fast food store and paying 6 or 7 dollars for a hamburger. I got an image in my head of a huge tanker filled with frozen hamburgers headed into the Pacific. Hawaii is very dependant on the mainland for food, isn't it?

Thank you for your kind words.

Logically he could easily question people of this time and get all sorts of info without revealing himself.

Mediums like the Internet offer unique opportunities for communication. When I return, I will be debriefed on my opinions about how people in 2001 will accept time travelers.

Why would he reveal himself if he has no stated agenda for doing so?

I'm not sure I exactly said that.

Did John come here to give somebody a push to invent the Time Machine?

I find this one the most interesting. What do you think would happen if the United States, China or Russia suddenly developed a time machine and the rest of the world found out about it?

John makes a verbal maneuver that turns a question back on the one who asked it so they think he actually answered the question; which he just avoided answering. He does this all the time and I wanted to point that out before it happens again.

I am forced to admit I must rethink what I know about Mobius loops.

Does the last name (forum personal name) have any historical relevance?

You may leave a message to yourself if you wish.

What happens with Australia?

I believed I wrote about Australia a bit earlier.

What colloquial language is used in the future?

Many people use the Internet for communication and entertainment. I would say that affects our speech. We type very fast.

What exactly happens to the water?

Yes, radiation affected the water but that can always be distilled out. There are biological hazards that cannot. In addition, fresh water is hard to come by without talking to someone with a gun first.

Have you met your parents here? What do they think of you?

Yes. I am with them now. I would say it's a combination of fear and relief.

Does time have ends?

Yes. It is believed that all worldlines end. It is also thought that parallel worldlines that appear to be the same end at different times.

John, if you were really a time traveler, you'd be dead. The Earth, the solar system and the galaxy are all moving. If you did travel back through time, you'd materialize in 1970 where the Earth will be in 2036, which is the vacuum of space.

This is an excellent point and one I thought I went over a bit earlier. There is a gravity lock system that compensates for the local gravity outside of the Tipler sinusoid. This is the reason the unit is only accurate to about 60 years.

You are inconsistent about not knowing anything about physics but you're willing to discuss the operation of your machine. Which is it?

I suppose I am thinking about the physics and the engineering as separate subjects. I apologize for the confusion and I will be happy to answer your questions more directly.

My questions were ignored. When I asked others, they were skirted.

Perhaps we could just start over again?

You stated elsewhere that Australia repulses a Chinese invasion. Does this mean Australian government side with your enemy?

There were deep divisions in Australia also. I would associate it more with a powder keg than a civil war.

Does intercontinental transportation still exist? Have you visited other countries?

Yes, but the market is much smaller. No, I have not been overseas.

02-15-2001 05:06 PM

You have said you will not participate in helping anyone avoid 'death by probability'. Yet many things you have said could have caused an individual to do or not do something that will now result dying, or escaping death.

It would help if you could give an example. If you are referring to the conflict and war in your future, I'm not sure I'm specific enough to help any individuals avoid anything. Suggesting there is a war coming is a bit different than saying avoid Washington DC at 3:45 AM on March 12, 2015.

There is no way for you to be sure there is no future world leader reading this and believing you.

Are you sure about that? Besides, I think you can have just as much impact as any "future leader".

I don't believe you when you say you're not trying to prove to us you're a real time traveler.

I submit there is no way for me to prove anything on the Internet; therefore it makes no sense to desire it. What exactly do you think I could do to prove it to anyone? I am confused by your term "the show". Do you feel my only goal here is to entertain?

Again, I am not unable to make you do anything nor would I want that.

I learn a great deal about your culture from the words you write (like right now). What do you think my goals are?

This thread has been all about you developing your story.

I'm not sure I understand this. How would "my story" differ it was "developed"?

I find it hard to believe that a software tweak done to a 1975 machine would be enough to justify a time travel mission.

Ah, something we have in common. Yes, I felt that way too. However, my job was to go and get it and not debate why they wanted it. I am not a computer expert.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:52 PM

A great deal of the computer infrastructure you depend on is based on very old systems and code. One of the reasons I was sent to 1975 was because of the person I met there, not the technology.

There are more effective ways to accomplish what you claim in this regard.

Perhaps you would share them with me. You might be right and I could make your suggestions when I return.

If indeed you support the model of time that all possibilities occur in different universes then I cannot accept you.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. If you believe in Multiple World Theory, Hawking was not the one who first thought of that. If you do, then I must be real if all possibilities exist. As I recall, Hawking felt that it was possible to build a machine but some sort of vacuum fluctuations would destroy it right before you tried to use it.

You claim that you have no desire to prove your story yet everything you have done has flown in the face of that.

I'm not sure that's true. In fact, I've tried to point out on at least two occasions that anything I do (at the request of someone else) to support my claims can be found someplace else on your worldline right now.

What is more, you will tell us no names, no locations, or any specifics as a result of your supposed ethics. If those were indeed the ethics you were committed to and reasoned with, you would not be here now.

I am curious about this also. Do you think I should not interact with you for your safety or mine?

Time travel may be possible; you would not land on Earth. You would land in a vacuum of space. You have to take into account that the Earth, the solar system and the galaxy are all moving.

Yes, this is a problem. It was solved by taking a "snapshot" of the local gravity around the unit before leaving a worldline and incorporating it into the sinusoid during travel. The short answer is, you "stick" to the earth but this is only a useful explanation to understand it and it's not practical. Since the computer system is using a virtual reference, the calculations become flawed. Thus:

1. Based on the accuracy and timing of the "snapshots" the distortion units are limited to how long they can travel before becoming unstable.

2. We must leave and arrive in areas we have prior or future knowledge of in order to avoid massive objects (buildings, water, etc…)

3. The unit has a fail-safe system during travel that drops out in case of a unit shutdown or radical departure in gravity readings.

Answer this and I will believe you until the ends of the Earth.

Again, you should not offer this to anyone for any reason.

If John wants a way to prove anything then I am willing to look over his proofs. However, just because I were to look something over gives no more meaning to the rest of you than it would if one of you looked his stuff over, believed it then told me.

Exactly!

How would someone that came here with no money, all of the sudden have plenty of money?

The reason I don't have 2036 money is because it takes up weight, space and can be faked and I can't use it for anything. What type of expenses do you think a time traveler would have that I would need so much money for?

Simply inscribe your knowledge of any large-scale events over the next six months. Encrypt said text file. Give text file to a custodian.

The only problem is, now you have to trust the person who brings the information forward.

Do you believe that faith alone will get you to God? Do you believe in an organized force of evil that works against men's souls?

02-19-2001 11:03 AM

I believe that faith and good works will get one to God. I believe there is an organized force of evil that works against God's plan for men's souls. It's all part of the plan.

Please don't think me so cynical. I would never insult or degrade someone's religious views. My next questions would be "what about knowledge?" I am a firm believer that faith (and good works) is not enough to get to God. There is a mystery we must solve first.

I vaguely remember you mentioned being religious. How would you answer your own questions?

Yes, I believe in organized evil. It would sure be easier to carry out an "evil" plan if no one beloved you existed. Just curious, can anyone tell me what "Satan" really means?

Had to answer those quickly. I have nothing but open-mindedness for religious conversation and I look forward to more. I'll get to the other questions soon.

Thanks.

02-19-2001 01:14 PM

ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY = LOCALIZED KERR FIELD Is this a prediction?

If you can take that paragraph and find a way to make a dollar from it than more power to you.

I never said you're an idiot, I said you are aggravating. Which is not really a personal problem.

Point taken. I apologize.

You only discuss things that you care about. Seems rather one-sided to me.

I was hoping it wouldn't be so confrontational. I don't see how words can harm either one of us.

You must believe that we both have interesting things to say to each other. Isn't that worth it all by itself?

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:53 PM

What state do you live in now in 2001?

I am in Florida.

Is John Titor your real name?

Yes, John Titor is a real name.

What is your agenda?

If I tell you, it would just be an agenda, which I'm sure, is much less interesting.

Is this dialogue between people in these posts part of your agenda?

If I had a secret agenda, talking to people would not be part of it.

Does your younger self realize what you are?

Yes, he is aware that I exist but he doesn't know who I am.

Are you married?

No but I did have a chance to convince myself otherwise.

What rank were you in the Army?

It is the equivalent of Major.

Where did you go to basic training?

I wasn't fortunate enough to go to basic. We were fighting a war at the time.

What company were you with, and what year did you graduate?

The organization of the fighting unit I was in fell under the militia. We fought against the organized army.

Do you have any fears?

I fear people who want others to take action based on their own emotions and irrational fears.

What are the rules for interacting with people who aren't from your time; do you make friends easily?

Have common sense and get your job done. Yes, I have friends.

What would the government do to you if they found you?

I'm sure I would end up in one of their nice little padded cells while they poked at my machine with a screwdriver. What do you think they would do?

What would you do if someone investigated you? Aren't you worried that it's only a matter of time before you are found?

I don't worry about that very much. No one believes me anyway. Right?

And you said; "I very much want to discuss our cultures but please help me understand how you won't be able to change something I tell you happened on my worldline."

Suppose I told you the space shuttle would have a problem landing at Kennedy tomorrow because something goes wrong with the runway. If someone with the authority to do so hears that and makes the decision to land at Edwards (than) bingo, your future has changed from my past.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:55 PM

I appreciate you answering these questions for me John, and thank you for calling me your friend.

I'd really like to believe that.

Rest assured, if I went to the authorities and said, "I know a time traveler" I'd get laughed at. The skeptics will always over rule the "believers".

If that were not the case, I would not be posting at all.

The US government, Russian or anyone else would be in the same boat. They would grab and hold any time travelers.

Yes, that's what I think too. The irony is, I'm not sure the machine will really do anything for them and all I can give them is stock quotes and sports news. (Just a little humor.)

John, please don't take my comments about being a fraud personally. I only want the honest truth.

I don't. Truth is something we all want. Like opportunity, its something you have to be ready for to recognize it.

John, what would it take to get you to stay after spring and leave during the next opportunity?

My parents are much better at cards than I am. I fear they may not let me leave in such debt. If I had all the time I needed, I would spend much more time downloading and archiving.

I fear that another month or 2 may not be enough time as I would like.

I will continue to answer the posts as long as I can.

In your "world time" have things like "Saquatch" , "Loch Ness monster", and other reported unusual animals?

We have our swamp monsters too. In fact, I think it's interesting that we all respond to the unknown the same way regardless of our cultural experiences.

Is remote viewing used to gather military intelligence?

I am only aware of it from this worldline. I don't know otherwise.

gormworm

01-29-2006, 04:56 PM

Are psychics still common?

Yes, psychics exist but I don't have any knowledge of their use by the military.

Is there a police force as we know it? Have any of your leaders been jailed or impeached?

Yes, we have police but they are organized in smaller groups. Yes, we still have political and religious leaders who find it difficult to obey the law. I would submit to you that the law is only as good as the people's willingness to apply it evenly and swiftly.

Will you post more pictures or pages of the manual?

Yes, I am pondering posting more of the manual. I am also considering having my departure videotaped and yes, it will be free. My only concern is how it might affect the "me" on this worldline.

Is there a Global Superpower state?

Being a superpower only makes you a target. There is an uneasy balance in the world now that everyone "probably" has nukes, chems or bios. We don't just bomb people for the hell of it anymore. Military power is based on the number of autonomous fighting men who are actually willing to fight.

I guess you are held accountable for changes that occur in your time period.

You're pretty much correct about your statement but actually, nothing I do here will affect my home. I hold myself accountable for any damage I do.

In my opinion, people "now" take clean water, electricity and their feeling of safety for granted. If they leave the city in search of fresh water they first have to make the realization that fresh water is a problem. It's much easier to demand someone else owes you fresh water than it is to leave the lifestyle that made it bad in the first place.

If I were transposed to the 1920's or 30's, you would have a hard time keeping me off the streets.

I agree with you. The first time I walked into a "superstore" I cried. I'd never seen so much excess in one place at one time.

It is interesting that the photos posted were posted by an "anonymous time traveler".

Those are mine. They were posted by another person who I'm sure is reading this also and would be happy to confirm that.

end 06.C

gormworm

01-30-2006, 09:37 PM

I see there is a hand control unit with a screen on it. I assume this is the computer interface. What does the display show you?

Yes, that is a remote unit. The unit itself gets hot and "unapproachable" during long travel and you're usually subjected to about 2 G's. It gets a little difficult to move around and the hand held unit sits next to you. The unit displays many things but time in transit, time to destination, VGL variance and unit temperature are the most common during travel.

Also, there are 16 buttons. I have to assume further that these are multifunction keys.

Yes, the menus are screen driven.

19 February 2001 16:01

What weapons did you use to protect yourself? Do you have a weapon now?

I used a shotgun in the war. Yes, I think it's prudent to be prepared for anything.

What is your favorite food?

Oranges, I love them.

Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about the President then?

The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.

While you were in the 1970's what did you think of Nixon?

To tell you the truth, I was more fascinated by the different standards Presidents are held to.

Do you plan to do any more time traveling when you return to 2036?

I don't know if I will be chosen for another mission. If I do, most likely, I will fly as an advisor or historical consultant.

Do you have any doubts about this time travel experience and the computer mission that you are on?

Absolutely. I have to believe there is an easier way to do this.

What have you learned the most from the people of this board?

There is a fire of intelligence and expression out there in the people who are criticized for their open-mindedness. I fear it will only be uncovered in the rest of the population through conflict. I was under the impression that most people were sleeping in this period but I suppose that generalization is too broad for any time period.

Where did you learn the use of "Gosub" in computer programs?

Gosub / Return. In one form or another, isn't that a pretty standard function in most computer languages?

Where did you learn to write English? How much time did it take?

I'm not so sure I write perfect English. I do read a great deal more than I see most people doing here.

Was China your enemy?

Not my enemy? I never fought any Chinese but their ability to hit Western cities with missiles made a lot of people unhappy.

Do they have (old computer games) in 2036?

I am aware they are video games but I have not come across them.

Does China have a manned space program between 2001 and 2036?

I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn't surprise you if they do that soon.

Do you have any problems with the number thirteen?

Not personally.

If the worldlines are changed by choices why do we still meet people that coincide with our previous worldline?

Your worldline takes form as the choices unfold. People do not disappear because you must follow the same physical laws that hold you here. (i.e. Information cannot travel faster than light on a worldline.)

In your opinion, would timelines be better represented as an inflated balloon, or a layered Rubix cube?

Balloon in balloon in balloon. A Rubix cube as in the toy, right?

Do you have television in 2036?

Information does arrive on video but cathode ray tubes are out and crystal or plasma is in. Distribution is over the net, not broadcast.

Do you have flashlights in 2036? If so, what type of batteries does it use?

Yes, we have flashlights and we use similar batteries for most things. We do recharge a great deal. Have you ever seen those wind-up radios? They're pretty interesting I think.

How is electricity generated in 2036?

"Most" publicly generated power is through very efficient solar cells. On a local or household level, there is steam, hydro and inversion generation. There is a debate on using a singularity to generate power.

Does the sun look different in 2036?

When you can see it through the high level smoke and haze, not that I'm aware of.

What sort of clothing do you wear in 2036? Is there strong attention paid to what people wear in the group?

Clothing is much more functional. I'm not sure what group you're talking about.

Where were you born?

I was born in Florida.

02-19-2001 07:25 PM

It took you five days to answer those questions. Is that the best you could do?

How many days seem normal?

You said you went to basic training on the other forum which is how you got involved in time travel. Be consistent.

Your question referred to army basic training. My earlier comment referred to be chosen for this mission.

You answered like a politician. You stepped around the truth without actually lying but it's logical enough to keep your story going.

I'm not sure but it sure looks like your trying to say I'm being truthful within your expectations. However, if you're trying to hurt my feelings, comparing me to a politician will do it.

I guess you are held accountable for changes that occur in your time period.

My only concern is how it might affect the "me" on this worldline.

Actually, this is a good question. If the "me" here goes on to have the same type of life and future work that I did, it may not look good on his resume that another "him" has left a videotape behind of his future mission to 1975.

So where do you stand? You're not being very clear and you always give a conflicting point to other questions you've had to answer. Why is it always about you?

If you look at my concern carefully, you can see that it won't affect me at all. It affects him.

John says no one believes him. Is that right? He's in Florida and goes by the name of John Titor. Show him how much you believe him (when you find him).

I'm touched by your concern for my safety.

02-20-2001 05:06 AM

John had a (50/50) chance of telling us the future.

Yes, there was a 50/50 chance of that happening but the odds were easily one out two that it could have gone the other way.

02-20-2001 09:58 PM

Perhaps it goes without saying but I would urge everyone to listen to (popular late night radio show host) show tonight.

20 February 2001 12:01

Thanks for your reply. Can you please clarify some of these points?

It's what I live for although I can't help but feel you're not exactly asking these questions for their own sake.

Describe what you mean by functional. Do you wear light colors, dark colors, loose, tight fitting? What materials are used for the clothing?

Seems a bit obscure to have a discussion about. Do we wear radiation suits? No. Do we use pockets a lot, yes.

How does this smoke and haze allow for solar cells to be efficient?

Do you have any idea how efficient solar cells are today? Sometimes it's sunny and sometimes it rains. Sometimes large dust clouds high in the atmosphere pass overhead. I don't understand the point you want to make. The sun looks the same.

Where did you learn to write and how old were you? How did you learn to type so fast?

I was home schooled and I spend a lot of time typing.

"Gosub / Return. In one form or another, isn't that a pretty standard function in most computer languages? No."

I beg to differ on this point. I may not be a computer programmer but I do know that going away to perform one function and returning to the original function is basic to all software. Perhaps it may be called something else in various languages.

Did you have a historical consultant to help you?

No, fairly easy job.

What do you call these batteries?

Good and bad, same as you.

"Rubix cube a toy? Where'd you get that idea?"

I've seen references to them in various science papers. If I'm mistaken, what are you referring to?

gormworm

01-30-2006, 09:40 PM

2-21-2001 08:26 AM

I'll look for it, thanks. I have a couple for you (book recommendations). The Nine Nations of North America and/or The Physics of Immortality (anyone recognize this author).

Would you be able to travel by going to the year 2001, flying a plane to a destination, then go to the future from there?

You can only travel in time from a static position (at least with the unit I have). In order to do this, you must have knowledge of the local terrain and building structures. That's one of the basic protocols we do in any time period for possible, future travelers.

If each worldline is separate from the others, then wouldn't the consequences of your actions now have no effect on your original worldline?

Yes, that's correct.

If this is the case, why won't you tell us things that will give us knowledge?

I am not qualified to judge if you deserve it or not and I have no idea if you may be the next (for lack of a better reference) Hitler. However, if I were able to physically help you from a situation because I was there and I knew it was coming, I would help you.

My only guess is that you are not a time traveler, and don't want to make anyone do something stupid.

Yes, I am aware that is the obvious first answer but I would hope my moral and logical arguments at least make a dent in your thinking. If you were a time traveler, would you be comfortable giving out all that information after considering the possible consequences? (Provided you knew it). If I were you, I would be worried about what the next time traveler might do, even by mistake.

How can I leave a message for myself in the future if the things I do in this worldline do not affect any other?

Just post it here. All this information will probably end up on the web in 2036. If you're alive then and you think ahead for some reason to do a search on yourself, you might see it. Of course the "you" there would have no memory of doing it.

Your prediction of (national politics) pending disintegration, beginning in three short years, is impossible.

Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope nothing?

The idea of a farmer general leaving his fields to lead his country's troops to victory is an old one.

Yes, I often think about that when I see pictures of "my" farmer general in Omaha. It's a large bronze depiction holding a shotgun in one hand a copy of the Constitution in the other. He is looking up at the sky in defiance of God after his father was killed.

I guess there are only a few stories and all of them are just re-telling of the same ones in different settings.

Just like life.

02-21-2001 01:29 PM

If you take a look, I am answering every question in order unless I see something quick that I think needs a response.

Thanks.

02-21-2001 04:22 PM

How far from what size city is it the safest to be?

A 10 Kiloton nuclear weapon will vaporize metal for about ½ a mile and have a heat effect for about 3 miles. A 100 Megaton nuclear weapon will vaporize metal to 35 miles and have a heat effect to about 250 miles. I believe the largest nuclear weapon ever built and tested was about 60 megatons.

As I recall, the popular strategy toady is to strike targets with multiple numbers of smaller warheads. The 100 Kt to 1 Mt are the most popular. I believe there are about 150 - 200 major cities in the US and half as many military targets. Please correct me someone if I am grossly incorrect.

You suggest a bicycle. What about horseback?

Yes, horses are good if you can feed and water them. Also, it's very hard to eat a bicycle.

Should we be stockpiling guns?

The answer to this is NO! You will draw a great deal of negative attention to yourself. I recommend becoming familiar with firearms. This means taking a safety course and learning to shoot and clean many different types. There will be plenty of guns around when you need them.

What kind of people will be the ones least trustworthy?

The people with the most to lose if the world changes, Camel through the eye of a needle?

Is the conflict racial?

Not at all. In fact, I would say it goes a long way toward erasing racial problems.

Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations.

Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.

Will you readily be able to identify the enemy?

They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.

gormworm

01-30-2006, 09:46 PM

Does living near a river take care of water problems?

There is an odd saying that might be appropriate here. Safe is anywhere a hungry person can't walk in three days. Water is important but you must consider that when people need it they will know where to get it. I would not plan on planting myself permanently next to a water source. Yes, distillation dose make water safe but the runoff is highly dangerous. Please remember that distillation is not boiling.

How are the five people within the 100 miles contacted?

The goal is to have a place to go other than your house and to be able to trust someone with your life. Foster those relationships now.

Do communications stay intact during the war?

Main communication systems no, CB, sideband and non-repeating short-wave, yes.

Be mobile. Set aside the things you absolutely would need and can carry on your back. You will not be able to stay anywhere indefinitely even with provisions and firearms.

Will soldiers be asked to kill their countrymen?

I'm not positive but don't they sign a small piece of paper now asking them if they would have a problem with that?

02-21-2001 08:20 PM

In this experiment the traveler only goes 30 seconds into the past. It seems that 30 seconds before his experiment was to begin he saw himself appear in the lab. There would now be two travelers and two time machines. It would appear that its a time loop and an infinite number of duplicates see a duplicate self appear in the lab thirty seconds prior to the start of the trip.

Yes, that's possible.

What is the mass of the duplicate time travelers and where did the mass come from?

The other mass comes from other worldlines. I like to think of it as standing in a room with mirrors on the walls and the apparent "me" in the room next to mine steps into the room from his.

What is the result of the duplicates arriving simultaneously?

Psychological confusion and a few fist fights.

How long will it take for the loop to decay?

The chances of hitting the precise worldline where all the other duplicates are arriving is almost zero. It's possible but increasingly less probable with each arriving duplicate. The divergence decays and the worldline is "less available" for new "yous" to arrive on.

What happens if the experimenter decides not to continue the experiment?

He can always leave the room on his own worldline or put a desk full of books in the position where the time machine is arriving every 30 seconds. That will probably trip the VGL system and stop the time machines from arriving.

Do you remember any poetry after 2001 in your past?

A Soldier's Winter

The day before it wasn't snowing.

The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my world, my life, my wandering path.

I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still His child.

I only (think) I remember the first line but the last one I remember. It has quite a few more lines that I don't remember. It is rumored this was written first as a letter by a soldier. After he died it was added to and edited by others. In my opinion, it has become a symbol for the collective guilt my parents' generation feels for what became of the world.

Is there a market for new books in 2036? Are most of the books available old or new?

Yes but there are no large commercial printing and distribution companies. Books and other forms of hard media are distributed on the web and printed or put on other media from local hubs.

As a rough judge of character, have you read J.R.R. Tolkien? Did you enjoy them?

My father read the Hobbit to me as a child. I was always afraid of the dark riders but perhaps I admired them too.

02-22-2001 10:08 AM

I will get to all the questions. I'm trying to comment on them in order. I'm posting the names before all the questions so if you feel I missed something just bring it up again.

I saw something last night that I want everyone's opinion on. Its concerning two television commercials advertising the same cellular phone product. The first commercial I didn't understand right away but the second was obvious.

In the first commercial, a man dressed in cold weather gear appears to be in a snowstorm. He's on a cellular phone saying goodbye to his family as if he was going to die in the storm. We then see he is standing in front of a snow machine at a ski resort area.

end-06.D

smadewell

03-16-2006, 12:54 PM

Justice Ginsburg Reveals Details of Threat.... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060315/ap_on_go_su_co/ginsburg_threats)

TITOR'S CIVIL WAR - The Beginning or Nipped In The Bud? You tell me.... This doesn't bode well at all for our Internet freedom of speech in this renewed Patriot Act climate, eh? Be careful what you say ... Big Brother and Big Sister are watching!

Marlantis Buzz

08-28-2006, 01:23 AM

GORM, great idea to post this and great job. Great particiapation on behalf of the other (most of the other) members, keeping a smooth interesting flow. I've learned a great deal here which presently was a refresher...and educational tool to hone my research down so to speak. JT is a serious good ole boy type on a mission, and says it his way. Great self contol in comunicative manners and my favoirte part, not worried if a word is mispelled. I could spend some time around this guy research wise and respect what could and could not be discussed. Wonder if he is left handed and appreciates
a from scratch bloody mary with home grown horseradish? I got a kick out of how he worded some answers and the one asking questions wasn't sharp/quick enough to notice...John was exercising some clever wit while maintaining control. So how many of you wonder if you ever saw him at some point or how many photos of him are published showing him standing somewhere aside in the back ground? All and all I belive he is real...

GORM...I haven't seen you around for a while...hope all is well. Let's hope JT returns just to pop in and say hi with perhaps more words of wisdom for the masses of our worldline. Funny, I'm feeling really calm right now.
?:coolsquare:

Marlantis Buzz

09-14-2006, 05:29 AM

GORM, when you surface, let's toss this around a bit.

Top image...one of many TREE OF LIFE...YGGDRASIL.
The lower image is the icon logo for JT.

Ninjutsu

09-15-2006, 07:53 AM

[ John Titor and Time Travel ]

Since Time Travel Information is available on and off The Internet and there are Various Books about Time Travel and I would like to avoid writing An EBook about Time Travel in this John Titor Thread and because it is my opinion that The John Titor Time Travel Information is just Private Sector Disinformation and perhaps Government Disinformation

This is My Last Post in The John Titor Time Travel Thread

Never Say Never Again: 007 James Bond Movie

That Said - John Titor being A Time Traveler is A Bad Joke and A Hoax

--- Ninja

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Ninjutsu

09-15-2006, 08:24 AM

It seems to be "getting clearer" the further along "this worldline" we go.
And that's what frightens me.

Folks really need to read the TITOR material for themselves, ... then decide if it's B.S. or not!

There's too much at stake for us to simply dismiss everything Titor has warned us to look out for... without reading the warnings.

Been There - Done That - Thanx

Not BS - A Hoax with A Lot of BS

And

Anyone who bothers to do An Analysis of The John Titor Internet Posts can tell it was A Hoax by A Guy with An Attitude Problem that watched One Too Many Doctor Who Television Shows

From - Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who

Special Notation One: John Titor being A Hoax and A Bad Joke is JMHO

Special Notation Two: MHO is based on A John Titor Internet Post Analysis and Various Other Information and Special Sources as well as A Special Time Traveler Scenario

Special Notation Three: The Guy who started The John Titor Hoax is on My International Clown List as well as My DTA List

--- Ninja

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Ninjutsu

09-15-2006, 09:17 AM

From: The 2006 Sept 13 - 14 Coast to Coast AM TO Thread

George Noory - Loren Coleman - Angela Moore - Psychic Abilities

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=107

When studying something I try to find the pros and cons and weigh out what is real and what may be clues. Well I had to laugh reading this over tonight after the show "CLUB NINJA" below, hey maybe he was hinting to Ninja's bash on the head............maybe...maybe not...LOL

June 25th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
The Creature says:

This may be a small point, but on the message board….at one point Titor says…In my time there are no income taxes….then later on in the same message board he states…There is still an "IRS" and people pay their taxes…huh? which is it? don't get me wrong, I would love to believe but..here's the link, look it up for yourself.

http://www.anomalies.net/time_traveler/Iamfrom2036.html also in another post, he talks to someone about how his father introduced him to the music of "Blue Oyster Cult" and he even makes mention of a song that he likes called "When the War Comes" this is a song off of the album "Club Ninja" a not so well known work of the band's, and the lyrics of the song deal with a post-apocalyptic theme. very similar to Titor's whole thing. This struck me as very odd…I picture some science fiction lover sitting there dreaming this whole thing up in his Mom's Florida basement while she screams at him to cut his hair and get a good job. I mean you come back in freaking time, and your lame-ass dad makes you listen to one of the worst albums ever made? all I can think of, is that Titor is a weirdo like me, who actually LIKED that piece of crap album, and dreamed up this whole scenario because he needed to stir things up to get attention. He's smart to be sure…but some things he (or they) say, just doesn't sound right to me. Sounds too much like something I, or my friends would say….as opposed to someone from 2036…..but hey…whatever…one time I saw a UFO, and can't prove to this day what the hell it was….maybe it was an alien spacecraft? maybe it wasn't and I'll NEVER KNOW one way or the other (it was in the news btw, and seen in 3 states simultaneously, and by the friend sitting right next to me, so I'm not making it up……… as an unrelated footnote, on the song "When the War Comes" there is a part where a voice says, "blah, blah, blah.I can't remember exactly now…..then "All Hail the Revolution!!" that voice is none other than Howard Stern….who has a cousin or something in Blue Oyster Cult….but anyway….why can't we find this guy? or group? (not Blue Oyster Cult, no one is looking for them, I mean Titor) why hasn't someone pursued the Fax # that Art Bell had? or looked into the alleged insurance warning document for clues? eh? eh? lol…….

:240:

Thanx Buzz for providing me with The John Titor Internet Links and The Motivation to finally read and do An Analysis of The International John Titor Hoax

And

Thanx Buzz for exposing The International John Titor Hoax with Your Words in The Marlantis Buzz Quote Above

And

Thanx Buzz for The Ninja Club and Ninja getting Bashed on The Head Comment

Ha Ha Ha - Very Funny

Special Notation: LOL - It is Actually Kinda Funny

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Captain Beyond

09-15-2006, 10:26 AM

Marlantis Buzz

09-15-2006, 02:53 PM

Excellant! Ninja you just saved me weeks of trial and error. This stuff is very deep. Just as deep as Coral Castle Ed. Glad I've done my home workk. My eyes are red, the circles are there and the proper ax to this madness. Brilliant, absolutly brilliant. I'm laughing right now... this is too funny. I see I'm not alone either. Wow. With that I think I'll take the rest of the day off from this world of clues and do some work around the house. My time line has lifted...

My advice is simply, stay positive. They were right. Stay positive and positive things happen. Funny, I've hit a few lotto tickets these past few days too...not much but every bit helps. Ninja, hope things change for you...

CB, you will be fine. I already know it. Stay positive brother...and thanks for the feed back in these related areas.

Gorm...where are you?

Ninjutsu

09-19-2006, 09:32 AM

You can't always trust Wikapedia either as it is a lot of submissions from internet people!

As to Titor, I am still neutral because he said some scientific things that were not yet proven, but later came to be accepted as truth, so, I don't know!

Wikipedia: Rocks

And

From what I read Titor was Full of It and Playing Games with People as well as using Evasion and Deception Techniques and using Scientific Words that were Basically BS

But

Give me A List of The Scientific Things and The Links and I will be happy to bore myself with Another John Titor Analysis

And

Meditation Question One: Does the main reason that John Titor gives for coming from The Future and going into The Past smell kind of Funny?

Meditation Question Two: Does the main reason that John Titor gives for coming from The Future and going into The Past smell like A Hoax?

--- Ninja

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Ninjutsu

09-19-2006, 09:51 AM

Ninjutsu

09-19-2006, 10:23 AM

Alpha

09-19-2006, 02:19 PM

GormWorm - Thanx for posting The Various John Titor Posts from The Internet in this Thread for Analysis because they just back up A John Titor Analysis that says John Titor was just some Jerk and Creep on A Head Trip playing Mind Games on The Internet with Various People and that John Titor was nothing more than A Big Time Travel Hoax

--- Ninja

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Thanks for your opinion Ninja :)...I'm sure many feel the same way as you do, however that said others do not.

That's what makes this journey for the truth challenging, exciting and fun...not to mention frustrating.

Folks, remember all opinions are welcome here as is debate about any particular issue/topic.

If we all had the absolute answers and truth, guess we wouldn't need this forum and would have little to discuss and talk about.

Carry on....the pro Titor, the con Titors and the one's who don't even know or have had time to assess and formulate a current best theory...or for those who don't even know who John Titor is/was /ever was yet!! :)

blackeyes

09-19-2006, 04:17 PM

I've just spent the better part of an hour reading through most of J. Titor's posts. Fascinating stuff. I wonder if Alex Jones is my leader, during the civil war that is. Would that place me with the rebels? At least according to John's timeline I have until 2015 to move out of Canada's number 1 target(the capital). Nunavut sounds like a safe place to ride it out.

Ninjutsu

09-20-2006, 09:27 AM

Thanks for your opinion Ninja :)...I'm sure many feel the same way as you do, however that said others do not.

That's what makes this journey for the truth challenging, exciting and fun...not to mention frustrating.

Folks, remember all opinions are welcome here as is debate about any particular issue/topic.

If we all had the absolute answers and truth, guess we wouldn't need this forum and would have little to discuss and talk about.

Carry on....the pro Titor, the con Titors and the one's who don't even know or have had time to assess and formulate a current best theory...or for those who don't even know who John Titor is/was /ever was yet!! :)

Hmmmmmmmmm

JMHO - Etc about John Titor being A Hoax and Full of It

Just call me AntiTitor and know that I wish I had never heard of John Titor and based on Various Information and Various Sources as well as An Analysis it is MHO and I Believe that John Titor was and is Just A Bunch of Time Travel Disinformation which is basically Just Science Fiction and A Major SciFi Hoax instead of Reality

That Said - Debate and The Truth can be A Good Thing and Government and Private Sector Disinformation can be A Bad Thing

--- Ninja

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Ninjutsu

09-20-2006, 09:37 AM

From - The Internet:

http://www.johntitor.com/Pages/CivilWar.html

LOL

--- Ninja

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Captain Beyond

09-20-2006, 10:30 AM

Well, I think we know where you stand on the issue Ninja. You have the right to your opinion. I am still NEUTRAL on the subject and won't insult anyone for their beliefs!:wave:

Ninjutsu

09-20-2006, 11:54 PM

Well, I think we know where you stand on the issue Ninja. You have the right to your opinion. I am still NEUTRAL on the subject and won't insult anyone for their beliefs!:wave:

Cool

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Ninjutsu

09-21-2006, 12:03 AM

Meditation can be A Good Thing

From - Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

Meditation Question: Could The John Titor Hoax be the result of The Science Fiction of The Great H. G. Wells and His Interesting Science Fiction Novel called The Time Machine?

--- Ninja

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acidkoolaid

11-16-2006, 07:26 PM

As far as I can tell, there was no "civil war" started in 2005.

Marlantis Buzz

11-29-2006, 06:07 AM

As far as I can tell, there was no "civil war" started in 2005.

The point of the matter is that you have read thru all this...and will retain it. read it over and over. What JT is...was...will be going thru won't be easy for him...but will result in world peace...it has to. Start your day correcting something for the better that you normally woun'ld have today...even if it's just paying a bill you've held off on or checking in on an old neighbor you haven't spoke to in a few weeks. JUST DOING something toward the better is going to make the difference...now is the time to get back to basics...in a neighborly way.

GOrm...wish you well. Please check in.

Even as adults we are taking baby steps...toward making this world and the others a better place.

Patricia Norwoo

12-23-2007, 09:56 AM

You can't always trust Wikapedia either as it is a lot of submissions from internet people!
As to Titor, I am still neutral because he said some scientific things that were not yet proven, but later came to be accepted as truth, so, I don't know!
I'm pretty neutral about John Titor however I think time travel is possible, with or without mechanical assist. I just don't think the majority of us have the need, or have figured out how to do it if we do. maybe that is why there is such a demand for fortune telling..........divination being a look into the future is a sort of time travel if you can wrap your psyche around that thought.

Patricia Norwoo

12-23-2007, 09:58 AM

As far as I can tell, there was no "civil war" started in 2005.
no but there were people talking about it and making plans for an uprising at that time. I think those people have decided to wait a bit or changed their minds or something. I haven't heard anything lately from the people I know who were talking about it on that subject.

Debunkinit

01-22-2008, 07:10 AM

I believe the Titor story is a complete fraud by a very intelligent person with their thumb on the pulse of society who has very good yet radical ideas of what it will take to reverse our current lot on this planet.

Think about it, who would have given this guy any thought had he said he was Joe Bob Buck from Arkansas? I think he needed the "time traveler" angle to first support interest in himself which in turn would give way to interest in what he was saying.

He could just have easily said he was an angel, an alien or Zeus but really, out of those choices and time traveler, which sounds most believable?

What better way to induce believability than to pretend you could care less what people believe? This "person" had no interest in making people believe his story was true. His interest was in making people drift to his point of view about society in general. The time traveler angle was the glue he used to create interest and cohesiveness in his beliefs.

Thats my take on it anyway. A fraud in the time traveler area but I think he's very astute in his perception of "stuff" in general.

Divinorumus

01-22-2008, 07:33 AM

Yeah (snickering), you're probably right, this idea of mischievous time traveler(s) is so silly. The very notion of such an idea is ridiculous and preposterous. Put it out of your minds humans, it's all nonsense, like them pesky hungry aliens that raise humans as their moocows. The very idea makes me laugh, especially if some god is in control here ~ a god can't make any of THAT possible, they aren't THAT omnipotent, are they, right? Right? Or.is all that god stuff crapola too? Please, don't burst all our bubbles at once, please (ha) let us keep a few just for FUN! . . . Boo!

Marlantis Buzz

02-05-2008, 06:52 PM

Real or not, This person is making a general message to those caring to read his stuff. But I feel this info was mostly focused toward a handfull of people that would only be able to undrstand what is really being communicated ... in a manner most others would not understand. If that's the case, then he probably accomplished both goals...and only those few individuals sought really know what this is all about.

Alpha

03-20-2008, 02:50 PM

Bump for tonight's show, Mar 20, 2008.

There are numerous threads here mentioning John Titor...anyone interested can use our search function at the top of the forum to find them ;)

copies of the two faxes sent to Art Bell:

FAX ONE:

Dear Art ,
I had to fax when I heard other time travelers calling in from any time past the year 2500 AD.
please let me explain....

Time travel was invented in 2034 off shoots of certain successful fusion reactor research allowed scientists at CERN to produce the worlds first contained singularity engine.

The basic design involves rotating singularities inside a magnetic feild. By altering the speed and direction
of rotation you can travel both forward and backward in time.

time itself can be understood in terms of connected lines. When you go back in time you travel on your original time line when you turn the singularity engine off a new time line is created due to the fact that you and your time machine are now there.

In other words a new universe is created. To get back to your original line you must travel a split second farther back and immediately throw the engine into forward without turning it off.

some interesting outcomes of this are:
you meet yourself I have done it often even taken a younger version of myself along for a few rides before returning myself to the new timeline and going back to mine.

You can alter history in the new universe that you have just created. Most of the time the changes are subtle. the oldest one was a sky scraper that don't exist in New York. Interestingly when you travel in time you must compensate for the orbit of the Earth since the time machine doesn't move you have to adjust the engine so you remain on the planet when you turn it off.

Now for the future you might want to know about..Y2K is a disaster . Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The gov. tries to keep power by instituting marshall law but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail.

A few years later communial government system is developed after the constitution takes a few twists.

China retakes Tiawan
Isreal wins the largest battle for their life.
and Russia is covered in Nuclear snow
from their collapsed reactors.

"Alright I wanted to read you something as I received it.
its from a time traveler."Art Bell says.

FAX TWO:

Dear Mr. Bell I am glad you 're back. I faxed this information to you the day before you left the air. I wanted to make sure it was n't lost in the shuffle so I am sending a gift.
If you've already seen this please accept my apologies if you choose to make this public please do not publish the fax number.
I had to fax when I heard the other time traveler calling in from the recent time past infact the year 2500 Ad.

Let me explain...

Mr. Bell I sent a fax with this opening on July 29 1998.
As I said then I am a time traveler. I have been on this world line since April of this year and I plan to leave soon. Typically time travelers do not purposely affect the world lines they visit..however this mission is unusually long and I've grown attatched to some of the people I have met here. (isn't that the stockholm syndrome or something? - Art says)
Anyway for my own reasons I have decided to help this world line by sharing information about the future with a few poeople in the hope that it will help their future. I am contacting you for the same reason. Unfortunately there is no historical reference to your program in my worldline .

I beleive you can change your future by creating one now.
Some of the information presented on your program maybe invaluable to upline researchers . I suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I recommend someplace in the mid west. (away from the box what does he mean?-art says) I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians (I am not paranoid about the Russians)They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen . They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of million of Americans.

I realize my claims are a bit difficult to accept so I will send the following once I know you have recieved this fax.
A few pages from the operations manual of my time machine. And a few colored photographs of my vehicle.( alright so you know I got it send them along.-art says) If you wish to contact me I will be happy to share with you the nature of time , the physics of time travel and some of the events of your future.(God I hadn't read this earlier..) Please send a return package to (and he gives the number..)

Grobianus

04-27-2008, 02:57 PM

John Titor - wrong again?? (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message521484/pg1)

maryals

04-27-2008, 09:44 PM

John Titor - wrong again?? (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message521484/pg1)

We won't know for certain until November 2008. The way Democrat Politics is going, the way The Republicans are going, things happening, it's ANYbody's guess who will be elected this November.

MaryAlice :very_first_smiley:

VOguy

04-28-2008, 06:16 PM

Is Godlike Productions a spin off of Fantastic Forum?

Alpha

04-28-2008, 06:26 PM

Is Godlike Productions a spin off of Fantastic Forum?

I truly don't know VO....ever since I became involved in IW, I guess it seemed like competition, for what, I'll truly never understand except for ego and I don't play that game.... no-one talks much between what was once such a special and seemingly cohesive community. So sad for folks who used to find commonality and quest and IMO. seem to be so divisive. :sad:

Makes me so sad to think what we could all have been and become, had we stayed together with the quest that brought us together and likely still does at one time and now..oh well... :sad:

I suspect many plankers or plunked ones hover there, however I truly don't know....there are many others before and after, other than that site, if that truly is the case....

Perhaps someone here can fill us in ....

VOguy

04-28-2008, 07:31 PM

I was just curious. As I poked around their forum, I saw some pretty disturbing posts, and I just didn't have a good feeling about wanting to see more. Kind of like walking in a bad part of town.

maryals

04-28-2008, 08:15 PM

I was just curious. As I poked around their forum, I saw some pretty disturbing posts, and I just didn't have a good feeling about wanting to see more. Kind of like walking in a bad part of town.

That is so sad to hear. I was among the earliest Members of FF and I still have wonderful Memories of my time there. I Adored their Spin Off "KingdomofKny". I can't explain what happened, why the Good Ship of Happy Fun Loving Pirates became something else.
Actually, maybe I can trace the downfall to 9/11 when Politics and Political Topics were allowed.
There were rumors that certain Members had made big Donations and so were dictating to Linnea how to run The Ship. Even the Loveable, goofy Spike Mike changed. So sad.
Well, the Past is Past. We have IW, our friends at IntoTheNight and other related Forums that continue to remain in a "Positive Place". :love:

I'm very very grateful for those who had the courage and passion to start up these Forums for those of us of like mind and interest.

MaryAlice

Judee

04-28-2008, 10:02 PM

Someone that belongs told me that GLP is based in the UK. I don't know... That place is scary. Anything goes, and I hear that it gets horrid at times.

maryals

04-28-2008, 10:25 PM

Someone that belongs told me that GLP is based in the UK. I don't know... That place is scary. Anything goes, and I hear that it gets horrid at times.

Sad, sad, sad.....I prefer Forums with a strict "NO TROLLS ALLOWED" Policy. Real Life is filled with Trolls, I don't want to have to deal with them when I go to a Place to escape.

MaryAlice :biggrinjester:

Nemo

04-28-2008, 11:33 PM

I think all forum are just too touchy. I used to post on FF and had some friends and fans there. Eventually, I got planked. Probably because I drink sometimes and say some wild crap. Hey - I'm not perfect. I can't remember anything although I think it involved Spike Mike. That's all I know. I might have called him a ***** or something. No big deal.

It is hard for a site to allow different political views. It sparks riot. Personally, I like to see some difference of opinion. As you know, I was a big Dera fan who was pretty conservative. I have no idea what happened, but surmise that people attacked her an pissed her off. I don't know. I'm stupid. Don't attack me. I just liked her although I didn't agree with her politics AT ALL. A site is always taken down a few steps when it bans a strong voice. I feel like I am an ally to anybody with a strong voice.

Hey, I'm drunk again tonight. So don't take any of this seriously.

MuseNoir

04-29-2008, 11:56 AM

Spike Mike is on myspace - he is easy to find if you want to contact him. Just saying.

Alpha

04-29-2008, 05:55 PM

Spike Mike is on myspace - he is easy to find if you want to contact him. Just saying.

Guess that's one form of time travel...or something else.

Thanks Muse :) ..He has been a good friend for many years and I wish him more that well....

Sign of the times or something I guess.....

VOguy

04-29-2008, 06:47 PM

Hey, I'm drunk again tonight. So don't take any of this seriously.

Say hello to my friend, James. Sorry, we're on first name basis, Jim Beam. :)

I've always said that you can disagree, and still be civil. That said, I always felt like someone wanted to start a fight over there for the most minor thing.

maryals

11-15-2012, 06:02 AM

BUMP
So interesting, finding some of these Threads that were begun around the same time that IW was born :yup:
I mean, any good Anniversary Party should continue for a few days!
Gormworm sure put in a lot of work back then. He's one of many that I miss.
AND SO GLAD for those of you who are still here :hug:

So, anyone wanna pick up the "John Titor Question"?

Mary and Baby :tinfoil2:

DarkoMarco

11-16-2012, 06:13 AM

I think the titor story is amazing. Offers another explanation for the greys in that titor wasn't really a time traveler but a string theory dimension crosser

pyrite

11-16-2012, 05:22 PM

i think titor is a remote viewer...thats why his time line is off...he sees the events but cant fix them in time...just my opinion...

maryals

11-17-2012, 10:19 PM

I hadn't thought about Remote Viewer...that's a good idea.
String Theory Dimension Crosser? hmmm that's a bit of a woooosh over my head LOL

There's an...axiom? I think it's called...that by simply observing something you change it. Let's say that Titor is a Time Traveler. He may have made small changes in the Time Line simply by walking down the street. It's kind of like that game "Six Degrees of Separation". Perhaps, even small changes, like taking someone's place in a line, or someone's parking space, buying the last item on a shelf that someone else was supposed to buy...could start a domino effect that creates bigger changes. Hence the "timing" is off of some of the things Titor said "had happened/will happen".
Just a theory...

Mary and Baby :tinfoil2:

Alpha

05-08-2013, 03:06 AM

Wonder if we'll ever solve this one? :dunno:

The Mystery of John Titor: Hoax or Time Traveler?

A person named “John Titor” started posting on the Internet one day, claiming to be from the future and predicting the end of the world. Then he suddenly disappeared, never to be heard from again.

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May 6, 2013 • By Rick Paulas (http://www.psmag.com/author/rick-paulas/) • 27 Comments and 111 Reactions

(http://www.psmag.com/science/the-mystery-of-john-titor-hoax-or-time-traveler-57001/#disqus_thread)

This is our planet’s bleak future: a second Civil War splinters America into five factions, leaving the new capital based in Omaha. World War III breaks out in 2015, starting with Russia and the U.S. trading nukes and ending with three billion dead. Then, to top it all off, a computer bug delivers where Y2K sputtered, destroying our world as we know it. That is, unless an audacious time traveler successfully traverses the space-time continuum to change the course of future history.

In late 2000, that person signed onto the Internet.

A poster going by the screennames “TimeTravel_0” and “John Titor” on a variety of message boards, beginning with the forum at the Time Travel Institute (http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/), claimed he was a soldier sent from 2036, the year the computer virus wiped the world. His mission was to head back to 1975 in order to snatch-and-grab an IBM 5100 computer, which had the necessary equipment to fight the future virus. (His detour to the year 2000 was simply to get a little R&R while visiting his three-year-old self, ignoring every fabric-of-time paradox rule from time-travel stories.) Over the next four months, Titor responded to every question other posters had, describing future events in poetically-phrased ways, always submitted with a general disclaimer that alternate realities do exist, so his reality may not be our own. In between dire urgings to learn first aid and stop eating beef—Mad Cow was a serious threat in his reality—Titor provided a number of technical specs regarding how time travel worked, with overly complex algorithms and grainy, hard-to-make-out photos of his actual machine. (Which, yes, of course, was an automobile: a 1987 Chevy Suburban.) He even showed off his cool futuristic military insignia (http://pinterest.com/titorconvicted/john-titor-pictures).

On March 24, 2001, Titor offered his final piece of advice (“Bring a gas can with you when the car dies on the side of the road”), signed off forever, and returned home. He was never heard from again.

Today, everything posted online gets a healthy dose of skepticism. Let’s call it the Post-Snopes Era. We’ve been conditioned to suspect everything.

IN 2003, TITOR FAN Oliver Williams—some may want to put “fan” in quotation marks, simply because of the numerous unsubstantiated theories that Williams himself is/was Titor—launched JohnTitor.com (http://johntitor.com/), which tracks Titor’s predictions and offers a compendium of all of his 151 posts. In 2004, members of George Mason University threw together a multimedia rock opera based on Titor. A summary of the tale (http://io9.com/5869362/the-man-who-told-the-internet-hed-come-from-the-future) at io9.com garnered over 103,000 hits in 2011. And, according to IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660872/combined), a feature-length film about Titor is in the pipeline. What seemingly should have been dismissed as a four-month hoax, the work of some nerd killing time at his boring temp job, somehow turned into a phenomenon.

Since the beginning of the mysterious posts, Art Bell’s popular late-night radio program “Coast to Coast AM,” a nationally-syndicated show that covers pretty much everything that’d fit comfortably into an episode of The X-Files, has been the go-to place for all things Titor. George Noory, who replaced Bell in 2003, has continued carrying the torch, devoting entire episodes to the ongoing mystery, fielding inane questions from callers and somehow answering with a straight face. (Examples: “Is there any way that Titor could be a godsend, sent as an angel, to warn us?” and “Do you think there’s any possibility he was a space alien? I’ll hang up and listen.”) In 2006, a lawyer named Lawrence Haber, who claimed to represent Kay Titor, a woman alleging to be John’s mother, contacted Noory. An interview followed between Noory and Kay—with Haber acting as a phone go-between—and it ended up answering, well, pretty much nothing at all.

After that episode, the show intermittently tracked Titor’s proposed timeline, looking at current events like tea leaves, possible harbingers of a nuclear armageddon. But as the false predictions piled up—while many of Titor’s descriptions are vague enough to be considered “not yet disproved,” he did also claim there would be no Olympic Games after 2004—the search for Titor shifted from “Is this real?” to “Who deceived us?”

IN 2003, THE JOHN Titor Foundation, a for-profit Limited Liability Corporation, self-published John Titor: A Time Traveler’s Tale, which is essentially a bound copy of the message board posts. (Used copies of this are currently going for $130 a pop on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/John-Titor-Time-Travelers-Tale/dp/1591964369).) The Italian investigative TV show Voyager took up the case in 2008, hiring a private eye to locate the folks behind the LLC, and a search led back to the aforementioned Lawrence Haber, who was listed as the company’s CEO. An investigation by amateur sleuth John Hughston, who also goes by the name “Razimus,” uncovered a mysterious P.O. Box in Celebration, Florida, belonging to the LLC. A group of friends with some downtime between gigs at their production company checked out the P.O. Box (http://www.whereisjohntitor.com/) themselves but found nothing worthwhile. At some point, JohnTitorFoundation.com (http://www.johntitorfoundation.com/) was created, offering some kind of nonsensical secret code to digital passersby. And just a week ago, Hughston released another video—this one 40 minutes long—in which he names Haber’s brother, Morey, as his prime suspect by using a side-by-side analysis of phrase-usage (http://hoaxhunter.blogspot.com/2013/04/john-titor-vs-morey-haber-text.html), which, to be kind, is not exactly a slam dunk.

(Weirder side note: In 2004, a computer engineer named Marlin Pohlman filed a patent for a time travel machine that “back-engineered” concepts in the Titor posts. This started another round of speculation that Pohlman, himself, was the original Titor poster. Last March, he was arrested (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/portland_man_accused_of_druggi.html) for drugging and sexually assaulting four women.)

The search for Titor, then, has become more convoluted than Oliver Stone taking on the 9/11 conspiracy. A new piece of information comes out, a tech-savvy kid with some time to kill sees it, decides to give the puzzle a shot, and on and on it goes, the cycle never reaching an end. The trail burns hot, the trail goes cold, but the trail never disappears. There have been countless blog posts and armchair investigations—a Google search for “John Titor solution” bounces back with 325,000 results—but nothing’s come close to finding a worthwhile solution. An itch in the back of the throat remains, unscratched.

But why?

The Titor legend persists because no one ever claimed to be behind it. Now that we won’t be fooled, we need an answer. It’s the Zeigarnik effect (http://www.spring.org.uk/2011/02/the-zeigarnik-effect.php); when something’s not wrapped up, it preoccupies our memory.

LAST MONTH, BRIAN DUNNING, a writer and producer specializing on the subject of skepticism, devoted an entire episode of his aptly-named podcast Skeptoid to the John Titor phenomenon, less focused on who it might have been and more about that question: why does something without any merit still have legs as an urban legend?

“Now that the number of unsubstantiated claims on the Internet is somewhat larger than the factorial of the square of all the large numbers ever conceived separated by arrow notation,” said Dunning on his podcast, “it would be a lot harder to achieve John Titor’s celebrity.”

Today, everything posted online gets a healthy dose of skepticism. Let’s call it the Post-Snopes Era. We’ve been conditioned—from everyone having access to Photoshop, to Punk’d and Jackass, to found footage films, to big budget viral marketing campaigns, to emails from faux Nigerian princes offering a portion of their riches if we simply send them our bank account number—to suspect everything. Every video of a cat performing a spectacular feat is met with at least one commenter decrying “FAKE!” The Titor story, from a time when we were all so innocent, a time that was less than 15 years ago, came right before things started to change.

And the Titor legend persists, in part, because no one ever claimed to be behind it. Now that we won’t be fooled, we need an answer. It’s the Zeigarnik effect (http://www.spring.org.uk/2011/02/the-zeigarnik-effect.php); when something’s not wrapped up, it preoccupies our memory. Our skepticism needs a party responsible, a grand designer that allows it to make sense. When we find out—think the wizard behind the curtain in Oz, or whoever Jacob was supposed to be in that final season of Lost—the mystery ends. No one has claimed Titor, so the story continues.

There are some obvious connections for conspiracy theorists—the fracturing of governments, underground bunkers—but, for everyone else, there’s this: time travel stories are freaking cool. “This is a superpower that everyone would love to have,” said Dunning. “We all want John Titor to actually be from the future.” Who among us didn’t spend idle moments of our youth wondering about flying cars and hoverboards, or what life was like back in the Old West. In fact, when I asked Hughston, the sleuth blogger, why he was initially drawn to Titor, he said that he’d been “a big fan of time travel since about 1985,” the year Back to the Future was released.

But there’s also a much easier explanation. “The John Titor story is popular,” Dunning said, “simply because that happens to be one of the stories that became popular.” If Titor wasn’t leading conspiracy-minded white dudes in their post-graduate years of boredom and confusion down a rabbit hole of mystery, something else would. It’s Urban

Legend Darwinism. Among all of the hoaxes, Internet rumors, ghost stories, and Satanic voices you can hear if you play the vinyl backwards, some have to become popular.

Might as well be Titor.

There is one other (distant, remote, nearly scientifically impossible) possibility, though.

“ONE OF THE KEYS to cracking the Titor question,” starts an email by someone who goes by the name Temporal Recon, “is to just allow for the possibility that time travel very well could be true.”

The great thing about time travel: the story cannot be refuted. If events don’t happen as the traveler says, that’s because the traveler changed the timeline. “Many never even get off the ground in their research due to this very limiting view,” T.R. said. “They simply don’t believe that the human race will ever conquer time. ‘Ever’ is a very long time, Rick.”

There’s a particular point-of-view that seems to evolve within every amateur Titor investigator I encountered. As the puzzle fails to be solved, when no serious candidates present themselves, the goal of locating the hoaxster morphs ever so slightly, allowing in the possibility that maybe, just maybe, time travel could be real. “Look, of course John Titor didn’t travel through time,” they’ll say, only to dramatically shift with the addendum, “but let’s say he did.”

If you squint hard enough—and forget about the last four Olympics—things will always begin to resemble what you want to see, especially when reality’s only a minor quibble.

I mean, couldn’t the political differences that continue to separate America into red states and blue states be precursors to the Second Civil War? U.S.–Russian relations have been kind of strange lately, haven’t they? The history of 2015, when Russia and the U.S. nuke each other into oblivion, is still yet to be written!

Then T.R. writes a sentence that haunts me, one that will no doubt tip me over the edge on a course to try to solve the mystery, to locate the poster, or maybe a precocious kid now armed with a learner’s permit who once met his future self. Graphs and charts will mass, blanketing my small studio apartment, where I’ll only need a bare mattress in the corner, a pizza on the way, and a computer with browser tabs parked on obscure pages of note, set to auto-refresh. Friendships and relationships and family will drift into the ether; there are only so many hours in the day. Hands will blister, fingers will ink-stain, eyes will learn to scan for men in black suits, or white coats, or some combination thereof.

He writes: “And there are others.”

And down I’ll go, into the abyss.

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