The Plan - NAU

[Captain Beyond]

This is the brainchild of the NWO, Bilderbergs, the rulers of the world, the cooperate giants etc. The plan is well under way, to unify Canada, the USA, and Mexico into a North American Union, tearing down the borders, allowing "free trade", without the need for border checks etc.

The super highway and rail system will transport goods from Mexico and Central America up the long corridor through the US and into Canada.


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1019/761581430_dcadb63a4e.jpg?v=0

No longer will Union driivers be needed to transport the goods made in China, Mexico and other areas where the populace is exploited for slave labor, it will all be quite legal. Wages will plunge as cooperate profits rise and they kindly line the pockets of ALL politicians who agreed to this several decades ago.

This is the very reason for the so-called amnesty of illegial immigrants. It is the precursor to an all out influx of our neighbors to the south. They, just like us are victims of cooperate greed and a desire for world domination at all costs! It is coming, and soon!

[Tara]

EEEEEEEEEEKKKKKK!!!

Thank god, that road is far away from my little house.:pirate:


Nice map, BTW

[Alpha]

Wonder if that's what the Bilderbergers are planning this weekend in Ottawa....that and the Amero!!!

Good find CB...but more than frightening!!:AR15firin :AR15firin

[snowbird]

It won't be long when some political party in power decides to pull up the tracks no matter what the railway is for. These guys here are not known for their foresight or planning - but then I guess, that goes for most politicos, doesn't it?

[snowbird]

Do you not think that the teamsters would have something to say about that? Therein lies how many years of internal unrest such as you have not seen before. How stupid can the PTB be? Many people are now so pissed off at just about everything that they will use any excuse to try to do something about it if things get worse and even more jobs are lost.
:sconf: :poke:

[Captain Beyond]

The union days are over..look at the auto industry...they simply shut a union plant down and move to Mexico or the Far East! It's all about the bottom line, the stockholders wanting a bigger return on their investments, and scew all of us!

[Captain Beyond]

Everyone wants to go to Chinamart and buy that $30 DVD player, then they want to complain about not having any jobs. We just can't have it both ways!:poke: Gotta buy Amerikan, or Cannuck if we want to sustain ourselves in the long run. JMHO:)

[loner]

They`ve been planning the Texas part of the I-35 Corridor for quite a while now. Rick Perry is looking for ways (read "new taxes") to pay for the Texas part, but I fail to see what Texas will gain from it, aside from maybe some more truck stops along the way. Nothing will actually stop in Texas, just pass through.
From what I`ve seen, they want to put the railway in between the north and south-bound lanes. This seems to be an exceptionally bad idea, what would happen in case of a derailment?

[Captain Beyond]

Texas won't gain shit, neither will any of us unless we are huge stockholders of large corperations who manufacture overseas and use slave labor, then use our tax money to build the infrastructure to sell it to us.

Globalization,:zx11pisse emptying our pockets and filling their own, nothing more!

[Alpha]

Although I don't think it matters if it's GWB or any other leader...this would have been in the works anyhow.......one step closer to globalization and the NWO!! :mad:
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North American Union to Replace USA?

by Jerome R. Corsi


President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada.

President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed.

The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union:

At their meeting in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005, U.S. President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin committed their governments to a path of cooperation and joint action. We welcome this important development and offer this report to add urgency and specific recommendations to strengthen their efforts.

What is the plan? Simple, erase the borders. The plan is contained in a "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" little noticed when President Bush and President Fox created it in March 2005:

In March 2005, the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States adopted a Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), establishing ministerial-level working groups to address key security and economic issues facing North America and setting a short deadline for reporting progress back to their governments. President Bush described the significance of the SPP as putting forward a common commitment "to markets and democracy, freedom and trade, and mutual prosperity and security." The policy framework articulated by the three leaders is a significant commitment that will benefit from broad discussion and advice. The Task Force is pleased to provide specific advice on how the partnership can be pursued and realized.

To that end, the Task Force proposes the creation by 2010 of a North American community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity. We propose a community based on the principle affirmed in the March 2005 Joint Statement of the three leaders that "our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary." Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America.

The perspective of the CFR report allows us to see President Bush's speech to the nation as nothing more than public relations posturing and window dressing. No wonder President Vincente Fox called President Bush in a panic after the speech. How could the President go back on his word to Mexico by actually securing our border? Not to worry, President Bush reassured President Fox. The National Guard on the border were only temporary, meant to last only as long until the public forgets about the issue, as has always been the case in the past.

The North American Union plan, which Vincente Fox has every reason to presume President Bush is still following, calls for the only border to be around the North American Union -- not between any of these countries. Or, as the CFR report stated:

The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the current intensity of the governments’ physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America. A long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint screening of travelers from third countries at their first point of entry into North America and the elimination of most controls over the temporary movement of these travelers within North America.

Discovering connections like this between the CFR recommendations and Bush administration policy gives credence to the argument that President Bush favors amnesty and open borders, as he originally said. Moreover, President Bush most likely continues to consider groups such as the Minuteman Project to be "vigilantes," as he has also said in response to a reporter's question during the March 2005 meeting with President Fox.

Why doesn’t President Bush just tell the truth? His secret agenda is to dissolve the United States of America into the North American Union. The administration has no intent to secure the border, or to enforce rigorously existing immigration laws. Securing our border with Mexico is evidently one of the jobs President Bush just won't do. If a fence is going to be built on our border with Mexico, evidently the Minuteman Project is going to have to build the fence themselves. Will President Bush protect America's sovereignty, or is this too a job the Minuteman Project will have to do for him?

[Captain Beyond]

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition Inc., is a “non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world’s first international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation system along the International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America.” Where does that sentence say anything about the USA? Still, NASCO has received $2.5 million in earmarks from the U.S. Department of Transportation to plan the NAFTA Super Highway as a 10-lane limited-access road (five lanes in each direction) plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas. One glance at the map of the NAFTA Super Highway on the front page of the NASCO website will make clear that the design is to connect Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. into one transportation system.


Kansas City SmartPort Inc. is an “investor based organization supported by the public and private sector” to create the key hub on the NAFTA Super Highway. At the Kansas City SmartPort, the containers from the Far East can be transferred to trucks going east and west, dramatically reducing the ground transportation time dropping the containers off in Los Angeles or Long Beach involves for most of the country. A brochure on the SmartPort website describes the plan in glowing terms: “For those who live in Kansas City, the idea of receiving containers nonstop from the Far East by way of Mexico may sound unlikely, but later this month that seemingly far-fetched notion will become a reality.”


The U.S. government has housed within the Department of Commerce (DOC) an “SPP office” that is dedicated to organizing the many working groups laboring within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada to create the regulatory reality for the Security and Prosperity Partnership. The SPP agreement was signed by Bush, President Vicente Fox, and then-Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Tex., on March 23, 2005. According to the DOC website, a U.S.-Mexico Joint Working Committee on Transportation Planning has finalized a plan such that “(m)ethods for detecting bottlenecks on the U.S.-Mexico border will be developed and low cost/high impact projects identified in bottleneck studies will be constructed or implemented.” The report notes that new SENTRI travel lanes on the Mexican border will be constructed this year. The border at Laredo should be reduced to an electronic speed bump for the Mexican trucks containing goods from the Far East to enter the U.S. on their way to the Kansas City SmartPort.


The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is overseeing the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) as the first leg of the NAFTA Super Highway. A 4,000-page environmental impact statement has already been completed and public hearings are scheduled for five weeks, beginning next month, in July 2006. The billions involved will be provided by a foreign company, Cintra Concessions de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A. of Spain. As a consequence, the TTC will be privately operated, leased to the Cintra consortium to be operated as a toll-road.
The details of the NAFTA Super Highway are hidden in plan view. Still, Bush has not given speeches to bring the NAFTA Super Highway plans to the full attention of the American public. Missing in the move toward creating a North American Union is the robust public debate that preceded the decision to form the European Union. All this may be for calculated political reasons on the part of the Bush Administration

[Captain Beyond]

Ask yourself this question?...Why is neither major political party saying anything about this massive project, and why is the entire news media overlooking such a immense story as this one?

I guess the answer is obvious, they are all in bed together, and they aren't screwing each other, their eyes are upon US Amerikans and Canadians, and are gonna use the Mexican people are their slave labor force. :sadwavey:

[Project]

Alex Jones talks about this all the time... but he is the only one I have heard.

[Captain Beyond]

Yes he does, but the majority of the sheeple think he is just some paranoid nutcase, and our government 'loves us' and wants to 'protect' us.....Doomed I tell ya, doomed!:sadwavey: The current tiny illegal crackdown is just one of many diversionary tactics being used so the real plan can get the necessariy legislation passed, and approved funding. All the while, the sheeple continue to graze in the wonderful illusionary fields of the 'American Dream'. Looks like the 'Canadian Dream':sadwavey: gonna take an ass whoopin as well!

[loner]

Bush will delay any attention to the NAFTA Super Highway for as long as he can. He and the PTB would much rather present it and the NAU as a fiat accompli than have it subjected to open debate. This, of course, will prevent pissed-off Americans from gunning down cheap Mexican road laborers and send profits skyrocketing for those who already have more $$$ than they know what to do with.
Were this to be openly dabated, it would be shot down in a heartbeat. :pirate:

[Alpha]

And this in not in any even remote mainstream news on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, BBC, CBC, Pravda, Al Jazeera etc...anywere!!??

Regardless or leader, party, country, political affilliation..... OMG...why not??!!:sconf:

That should tell most.....:wizard:

[Alpha]

More on the Plan....CFR involved???....no kidding?!

CFR Making Moves on American Sovereignty

Council on Foreign Relations has influence on Bush & Fox; group suggests the ‘Amero’ be the new money of the Americas



By Ralph Forbes from American Free Press

President Bush’s publicity stunt pretending to protect our borders is worse than a transparent ploy.

Washington bureaucrats, backed by prominent think tanks, are now proposing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), which will give you “a safer and more prosperous North America” with “freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic institutions.” That’s what the neo-cons promised they’d do to Iraq.

The SPP “trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity” they have planned for us is even worse than what they’ve done for Iraq. Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the SPP is the blueprint to drive the last nail into what once was a sovereign constitutional republic. It is NAFTA on steroids.

El Presidente Bush and his amigo Vicente Fox are merging Social Security so that illegal fraudsters can loot the trust fund. While the CFR stooges in Washington export American jobs and our manufacturing foundation to potential foes worldwide, Fox is exporting Mexico’s problems—poverty, crime, drugs and disease—to his colony north of the border.

Apparently unprotected borders aren’t bringing in millions of invaders fast enough for the globalists; they are putting NAFTA on growth hormone by building Interstate 69, a planned 1,600 mile international highway stabbing through America’s heartland from Mexico to Canada.

Bush and Fox are following globalist marching orders to erase the borders; eradicate the American middle class; abolish the Bill of Rights and eliminate even the pretense of constitutional government; to steal what little wealth and security you have left by replacing worthless federal reserve notes with Ameros—that will be worth even less—and to reduce the American people to serfs.

The “Amero,” is the name of the new currency proposed by Robert Pastor, a vice chairman of the CFR task force that produced the report “Building a North American Union.” It will replace the U.S. dollar, the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso.

Last year, Pastor, the director of the Center for North American Studies at American University, and author of the book, Toward a North American Community, testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in favor of limiting the power and sovereignty of the United States in deference to the CFR’s desired super-regional entity.

Building a North American Union is the blueprint contrived by globalist groups like the CFR and Bilderberg. The North American Union is proposed to supplant the sovereign governments of the United States, Canada and Mexico with a “super-regional governance board.”

Under the North American Union, Congress is to be superseded by a North American Parliamentary Group. As corrupt as Congress is, an unelected “parliamentary group” would be infinitely worse.

As bad as many court rulings are, the North American Union’s Permanent Tribunal on Trade and Investment would have supremacy over the U.S. Supreme Court, amassing entangling precedents and laying the groundwork for North American business law. It would make Americans nostalgic for even the Warren court.

As ineffectual as “Homeland Security,” FEMA, and the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement have been in securing our borders, do Americans really want them replaced by the North American Union’s North American Customs and Immigration Service, which would have authority over American immigration policy and trade issues?

Pastor wants the trilateral SPP institutionalized in a new North American Advisory Council [NAAC]. NAAC would be composed of 15 distinguished individuals, five from each nation, to prepare a North American agenda for biannual summits and to supervise the implementation of the integration of the United States and Canada into Mex-America Nuevo Supremo.

[Project]

"The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind,
that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to
American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization.
Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further
popular education."

Quote by:

Council on Foreign Relations
Source:

"American Public Opinion and Postwar Security Commitments", 1944

[Topper]

it reads like the beginning of the Civil War

[Tara]

1944? Cute. As we know, it goes a lot further back than the 1940s. :yell:

[Project]

1944? Cute. As we know, it goes a lot further back than the 1940s. :yell:
of course, but documenting their brazenness always gets me going :)

[Tara]

and thank you for doing it, Proj.

we always need reminders and i appreciate the info. :wink1:

[Project]

This was new info to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

[Alpha]

Guess this meeting missed the mainstream media as well......

Secret Rumsfield Meeting to Implement North American Union;
Health Freedom in Jeopardy

Byron J. Richards, September 21, 2006

There he stood, a man with a captive audience of fellow anti-American neo-cons bent on one world government. His mission: to lay out the military and security integration of Canada, Mexico, and the United States. The date: September 13, 2006. The place: Banff Springs Hotel, Alberta, Canada. The forum: a secret meeting of the powerful elite, a meeting that all of a sudden become not so secret. The man: Donald Rumsfield, point puppet for the Bush administration’s planned integration known as the North American Union. This is serious government collusion behind the backs of the citizens of the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It is government for the elite, not government representing the people.

The story was first leaked to Canadian freedom fighters (http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20060919132553106#comments). It did not make it into the mainstream Canadian press, but did appear in the local media. Our Canadian friends have supplied a complete list of attendees (http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060919132553106/print) as well as the meeting agenda. This secret meeting came to my attention courtesy of John Hammell, president of the International Advocates for Health Freedom. Mr. Hammell has been following the planned North American Union very closely, especially as it relates to the destruction of health freedom in America. He is actively helping our Congressional leaders see the light and needs your support. Urgent action (http://www.ymlp.com/pubarchive_show_message.php?jham+525) is needed by American citizens to stop this illegal shadow government.

NewsWithViews authors have been warning readers of this insidious plan to undermine our nation’s sovereignty for some time, including recent articles by Patrick Wood and Tom DeWeese. Americans need to make this the most important issue in the coming elections.

The Elite Control of Healthcare and Health Options



The public health agenda is typically driven by secretive “national security” plans that, in the current political climate, are governed by the military, Big Pharma, the Department of Homeland Security and the FDA. As I explain in Fight for Your Health: Exposing the FDA’s Betrayal of America, these seemingly different branches of government and industry are seamlessly blended into one operational unit for the benefit of the elite. Public health has almost nothing to do with your personal health. In fact, totalitarian governments place the control of your health options at the top of their list.

Any North American Union will have military, political, economic, social, and healthcare strategies for implementation. The secret meeting held in Canada this past week brings to light just how seriously and quickly the Bush administration is moving on this issue. It also underscores the importance of a needed Congressional inquiry into the illegal collusion by the FDA and related agencies in Canada and Mexico known as the Trilateral Cooperation Charter (http://www.fda.gov/oia/charter.html).

The FDA, along with Canadian and Mexican health agency partners, has taken a blood oath to keep their activities secret (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/intactivit/trilateral-coop/confidentialit_e.html). The FDA did not post this secretive Confidentiality Commitment on their website, apparently Canadian law made them post it. Why would the FDA omit letting Americans know that they are bound to secrecy? What rights do these government organizations have to conspire and plot behind the backs of citizens? They claim their agenda is to stamp our heath fraud—is it really???



Fraud is Now in the Eyes of the Beholder



The FDA tells us that the top priority of this collaboration is enforcement action on fraudulent weight loss products, especially those promoted on the internet.

The FDA plans to trample the rights of American citizens with their campaign. The FDA, Canada, and Mexico plan to define fraud in violation of United States law. Their definition: “The false, deceptive, or misleading promotion, advertisement, distribution, sale, possession for sale, or offering for sale of products or provision of services, intended for human use, that are represented as being safe and/or effective to diagnose, prevent, cure, treat, or mitigate disease (or other conditions), to rehabilitate patients or to provide a beneficial effect on health.”

The FDA is circumventing existing U.S. law known as DSHEA, which gives Americans access to many health options and information on how they work in the body. It is redefining U.S. law as fraud. Especially dangerous is the statement “to provide a beneficial effect on health.” Hundreds of different nutrients provide dramatic beneficial effects on health. Everyone knows that, especially the FDA and Big Pharma. Under the FDA definition of fraud, if the FDA has the opinion that a statement is misleading (and they always negate supplements no matter what evidence is shown to them) then they will brand a product as fraudulent and remove it from the market. This could easily be a highly effective nutritional supplement, a real threat to Big Pharma.

This is nothing but an effort to stamp out all competition to Big Pharma, which of course owns the FDA, a majority of the members of Congress, and the White House (it plans to own any administration that is elected). Big Pharma has billions tied up in weight loss drug development, drugs that will never work because they have dramatic and serious side effects.

As a clinical nutritionist I have helped thousands of people safely and effectively lose weight. I have formulated through my company, Wellness Resources, various products that when used in conjunction with diet and exercise have major beneficial effects on health, including products that assist healthy weight loss. Many other nutritional companies make excellent weight loss products. As the leading nutritional expert on the fat-hormone leptin, I know from first hand experience that individuals have many safe and effective natural options to lose weight and improve metabolism. I see it all the time. Hundreds of thousands of Americans know this to be true and can testify to notable improvements.

The government, especially the FDA, is actually a major contributor to the obesity epidemic. The FDA condones massive adulteration of our food supply to protect the profits of multinational agribusiness and junk food producers at the expense of human health, which are actually a major cause of obesity. Metabolism of our children is seriously damaged by government condoned chemicals. How can the FDA possibly define disease or judge fraud when they are actively causing disease and promoting real fraud?

There is no question that nutritional supplementation offers hope to undo the massive damage our government has done, help restore energy production in the human body, and help repair the human body to get some level of functional health back. The truth is nutritional supplements have a major ability to prevent many diseases and the science to back up the claims.

The FDA is doing everything in its power to prevent Americans from knowing how to get well, under the false guise of consumer protection or consumer safety. Nothing could be a greater health fraud than the FDA claiming to be an agency that cares about consumer safety. Americans are sick and tired of being poisoned to death by billions of dollars of truly fraudulent drugs by an agency that is now bent on becoming a drug company and by the highly toxic food supply condoned by the same agency.

United States courts have routinely ruled against the FDA’s perverse interpretation of DSHEA. To sidestep U.S. law, the FDA is now going into secret arrangements with Canada and Mexico to create a set of regional laws that they will seek to implement into the United States as part of the “harmonization” process of the North American Union and eventual world-wide harmonization through other regional trade agreements and Codex. Thus, cleaning up the filth at the FDA is a front line battle in preventing the North
American Union.

Full article with all links: http://www.truthinwellness.com/articles/rumsfield_meeting.php

[Dera]

The New World Order

[Alpha]

Now I'm copying this article and the only point I differ on is that this is not specficially what Bush wants because IMHO he is only the current head puppet on the stage.

I wasn't sure whether to place this here or in Who Runs the Word? Want to know? (http://www.imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4930) as it would fit equally in both areas.

Get ready folks...it is coming :zx11pisse
DEATH OF THE DOLLAR
THAT'S WHAT BUSH WANTS

By: Alan Stang

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/stang122906.shtml

Many people wonder these days about the bizarre fiscal policy of the U.S. government. They wonder how it is that they can see where that policy is taking us but President George W. Bush cannot. In personal finance, if you keep spending more than you receive, you will go broke; and the same principle applies to government spending.

In fact, government is making the situation considerably worse because only government has the power to ruin the medium of exchange. The cumulative, federal debt and the annual deficits are now routinely so huge the numbers become meaningless. We are talking about trillions of “dollars.” It is obvious to all they can never be repaid. District of Criminals policy is now causing the dollar to fall faster than the World Trade Center on Nine Eleven.

It now becomes realistic to talk about a possible collapse of the dollar. Why can’t Bush see that? The question assumes that as a loyal American Bush does not want the dollar to collapse; that if only he understood what is happening, he would take the necessary action to save it. Much time, effort and money are spent trying to inform him. Only people who have no understanding of the conspiracy for world government could ask that question and waste so much effort.

The truth of course is that Bush knows perfectly well what is happening, and it is happening because that is what he wants. Remember that the next step in the conspiracy for world government is the amalgamation of the three nations of North America – these united States, Canada and Mexico – into a single country. Right now, they are calling the new country the North American Union (NAU).

I call it Canusexico, which is a lot snappier and includes parts of the names of the three former countries. It also includes sex, without which the experts tell us you can’t sell a product. Remember, when you start to hear Limbag use it, you heard it first here.

A change so dramatic naturally has many parts. One part is the monster freeway system presently under construction from Laredo to the Canadian border, the hub of which will be Mexican territory in Kansas City. It will confiscate thousands of acres from Texas farmers and ranchers, destroy whole towns and facilitate the importation of illegal aliens and dangerous drugs.

To qualify as a real country, NAU needs its own money. Without its own money, NAU could not be launched. Sure enough, the communist world government traitors advancing this scheme have a new “money” waiting in the wings. It is called the “amero.” You say no one ever heard of the “amero,” so it will never take off? Until a few years ago, you had never heard of the Euro. Has it taken off? Has it taken off after years of propaganda about it?

Admittedly, Americans, however much they are brainwashed, would never permit the “amero” to replace the dollar unless – unless – unless confronted with a cataclysmic emergency. Suppose the dollar were suddenly to collapse. Suppose nationwide panic were to erupt. Suppose el presidente Jorge W. Boosh were to address the nation and reassure us that he has a solution. Suppose the media were to drench us in propaganda about the “amero’s” benefits.

Could the nation then give up the dollar and turn in desperation to the “amero?” Could that happen especially were stability to return with the introduction of the new monetary unit? I believe it could and would. I believe that Boosh & Company are deliberately collapsing the dollar for that purpose. Obviously, you can’t impose a “solution” until you have a problem, and Boosh is presently exacerbating the problem.

Here we have another demonstration of the fact that if you do not understand the conspiracy – especially if you don’t even know there is one, or deny it – you have no hope of understanding events all around you. You will forever be asking silly, naïve questions like, “Doesn’t Bush know what is happening? If only we could reach him!” Remember one of the basic principles of our law: A man is presumed to intend the natural consequences of his act.

For instance, in July, 1944, during World War II, delegates from around the world met at Bretton Woods, New Hampshire to plan the post-war financial system. At that conference, the leader of our delegation was Harry Dexter White. As Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, White ran that Department for Secretary Henry Morgenthau, who gave him full authority. Harry Dexter White was a Soviet spy, who took orders from Stalin. He suffered a “fatal heart attack” on his way to testify about his treason.

At that conference, White created the International Monetary Fund. On September 30, 1963, President Jack Kennedy addressed an I.M.F. conference. Here is what he told the finance ministers and bankers who represented the then 102 members:

“Twenty years ago, when the architects of these institutions met to design an international banking structure, the economic life of the world was polarized in overwhelming, and even alarming measure on the United States. So were the world’s monetary reserves. The United States had the only open capital in the world apart from that of Switzerland. Sixty percent of the gold reserves of the world were here in the United States . . . .”

As the most powerful nation on earth – we had, after all, just defeated three of the most powerful nations on earth almost alone – we had the most wealth. Notice that Kennedy believes this was a problem, requiring a solution. Why was it a problem? What solution did the President of the United States propose?

“. . . There was a need for redistribution of the financial resources of the world . . . .” How do you define communism? Isn’t one definition the redistribution of the wealth? Isn’t that what Marx demanded? So here we have the President of the United States openly calling for communism. Why did our wealth need to be redistributed? He believed the answer was too obvious to explain, so he didn’t bother. There should have been a firestorm of outrage. Of course there was not.

How was the redistribution of our wealth accomplished? Kennedy told the delegates to the I.M.F. conference: “This has come about. It did not come about by chance but by conscious and deliberate and responsible planning. . . .” Please look at these two brief sentences carefully. I recommend that you read them over and over again, until their significance permeates your mind.

What did Kennedy mean by “this” and by “it?” He was referring to the “redistribution” of your resources. He says that redistribution did not happen by accident, but as the implementation of a conscious and deliberate and responsible plan. Doesn’t this confession, this admission by the President of the United States kick the Accidental Theory of History into the gutter?

According to the Accidental Theory, everything happens by accident. There is no planning, no coordination. There certainly is no conspiracy. People just accidentally happen to run into each other at international conferences they don’t know are taking place. “Hello, my dear Dr. Kissinger. Imagine seeing you here in town!” The conferences accidentally are surrounded by armed guards to prevent press coverage. The sessions make decisions that accidentally are implemented and that affect the lives of every human being on the planet.

Yes, that is what the conspirators expect us to believe. They deride the so-called “conspiracy theory of history” as simple-minded, as attributing every development to one cause, when exactly the opposite is true. They attribute only one cause to everything: accident, happenstance.

On the contrary, the “conspiracy theory” requires an enormous amount of study and investigation, in which career conspiratologists investigate who belongs to what, who was where and with whom, and who agreed to do what. The “conspiracy theory” requires a considerable knowledge of history to determine who is guilty and who is innocent.

The conspirators denounce the so-called “conspiracy theory of history” for the obvious reason that they fear what you could do if you find out who they are; if you find out that our country is being redistributed down the tubes not by a causeless, spontaneous historical cycle you can do nothing about, but by men with names and addresses you can seek out, men with faces you would recognize.

Now consider again the present dissolution of the dollar. Yes, Jorge W. Boosh, M.B.A., Yale, and the other communist world government traitors who presently control our government are certainly smart enough to recognize the effect of their fiscal policies. They are at least as smart as we are. If we know what is happening, they do.

They are deliberately ditching the dollar to pave the way for the “Amero,” which would be the Western Hemisphere’s version of the Euro. Eventually, of course, those two monetary units would be merged into a single world currency when the world government is finally imposed.

So what should you do? I suggest that now is a good time to ditch the dollar yourself. Consider other currencies and investments not denominated in dollars. Especially consider precious metals. Remember that there has never been a time when they were worthless. Of course, if you don’t believe any of this – if you believe it is all happening by accident – I suggest you do nothing.

[Delphine]

I was totally unaware of the SPP until I heard something about it on the radio today. I am a bit ashamed, as I consider myself well-informed. Also, I see that it has been discussed on page one of this thread. A little googling brought up the following article about a Freshman Representative from Utah who is trying to fight it.


From: Desertnews.com
Wednesday, January 17, 2007

Lawmaker Assails Trade Accord
He says deal may lead to elimination of borders

A freshman conservative legislator says the United States should get out of a North American trade and security agreement before the countries morph into a European Union-type organization that could take away some of the United States' sovereignty.

Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Provo, has introduced HCR7, which asks Congress to withdraw from, or at least take oversight control of, a 2005 agreement that was signed by President Bush and the leaders of Mexico and Canada.

While at first glance the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" may seem harmless, said Sandstrom, it could lead "to the elimination of our borders" in the name of free trade.

"It could well perpetrate our illegal immigrant problem. We could end up like the EU, even have a common currency," he said.

However, Joe Reyna, chairman of the Utah Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, doubted America's border with Mexico would be opening up any time soon.
"I don't think it would happen in the next 100 years," :rolleyes: Reyna said. "Our cultures are so different."

Reyna said the SPP agreement is beneficial to the United States, particularly when it comes to security provisions, which include sharing intelligence on terrorism. "It creates a partnership, an agreement to protect our borders so the flow of goods and services runs without any interruption," he said. "You cannot have trade without security."

Since Democrats now control both houses of Congress, Sandstrom doesn't think his resolution will be taken seriously by national lawmakers.

"But at least we can raise the awareness" of what the SPP could mean down the road, he said.

The Utah Legislature has gotten into some real scrapes over seemingly-innocuous resolutions sent to Congress. Several years ago legislators debated whether Utah should recommend that the United States get out of the United Nations.

But principled stands should be taken, says Sandstrom. For example, his resolution says that a super, secure highway could be built from Mexico to Canada across the middle of America, leading to all kinds of troubles, especially if the U.S. lost control of how it would operate.

Alex Segura, head of the anti-illegal immigration group Utah Minuteman Project, agrees with Sandstrom. "It's a very scary thing that they are doing this without the consent of the American public," Segura said. "It's to create commerce ... even at the price of community."

Segura admits that it may seem far fetched that the United States would join a European Union style commerce organization, but he says the nation is heading toward open borders for people and goods. "I just hope they'll take (Sandstrom's) bill and look at it seriously," Segura said.

The resolution goes on to say: "Whereas, the gradual creation of such a North American Union from a merger of the United States, Mexico, and Canada would be a direct threat to the United States Constitution and the national independence of the United States and would imply an eventual end to national borders within North America."

"At least the Congress should take a vote on this — it has never gone to it," Sandstrom said.

The agreement could bring far-reaching implications that few people are looking at, he said. "The EU has not been good for some countries in Europe —you have Germany with loose immigration, and that impacting France and England," where they are having problems with their immigrants, he said. "It can become a real societal issue we should look at."

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The only other lawmaker I know about who is seriously fighting the border problem with Mexico is Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) of Colorado. Rep. Tancredo, highly regarded among conservatives for his uncompromising stances on immigration reform, says he will run for President.

IF, (is this true?) most Americans want the border with Mexico tightened, where are our government representatives who should be listening?

And, is something happening to our Constitution?

[Project]

Seriously, watch this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/398640/border_patrol_ordered_not_to_arrest_illegal_border _crossers/

[Alpha]

It's getting closer folks....should make us all a bit more than afraid.

To protect us...my as*!!

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on integration

Source: Ottawa Citizen

CanWest News Service

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican politicians discussed using "stealth" to overcome public resistance to the integration of the three countries at a confidential meeting last year, according to documents just released under U.S. Freedom of Information laws.

08/02/07 "Ottawa Citizen" -- -- Top military brass, corporate executives and diplomats also attended the meeting in Banff, Alta., where participants discussed everything from the harmonization of food and drug standards, to common immigration policies, and the pooling of energy resources.


The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

Presentation outlines for the forum acknowledge that the concept of North American integration - which some call a "North American Union" - is unpopular, and note that it might be tough to sell as a concept.
"While a vision is appealing, working on the infrastructure might yield more benefit and bring more people on board ('evolution by stealth')," the notes said.

"Evolution by stealth" means using regulatory changes, such as food- and drug-safety benchmarks, which don't require parliamentary approval, to lay the infrastructure for North American integration. This allows for change with little or no public debate, critics say.

Media were excluded from the September forum, and Day, who gave a speech at the event, declined to reveal the contents of his talk.

"It was meant as a private meeting," said Melisa Leclerc, a spokeswoman from Day's office, although she conceded he attended "in his capacity as minister for public security."

"It is not encouraging to see the phrase 'evolution by stealth' in reference to important policy debates such as North American integration," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a Washington-based conservative watchdog group that obtained the documents last week.

But, former finance minister John Manley, who attended the meeting, said the forum was "not part of a nefarious plan to yield sovereignty to the U.S. .... It was just some informed private citizens and government officials having a conversation" on how best to co-operate to ensure their citizens enjoyed a safe and prosperous future.

In fact, he said, Canada comes out stronger than ever from such meetings, which force "some senior American officials to think about Canada for a few days."

However, Maude Barlow of the Council of Canadians said the reference to stealth is "a very telling and important statement."

Many of the politicians who attended the forum have been pursuing "integration by stealth" for the past two years, she said, pointing to a little-known but top-priority agreement called the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

The accord, kickstarted by U.S. President George W. Bush, then-prime minister Paul Martin and former Mexican president Vicente Fox at a 2005 meeting in Waco, Texas, is designed to streamline everything from food and drug safety standards to counter-terrorism measures.

Government officials from the three countries are expected to meet in Ottawa later this month. However, Foreign Affairs spokespeople said they did not yet know when it would be held or who would attend.

The partnership's stated goal is to protect North America from security threats such as terrorism and flu pandemics as well as economic threats from new global-market giants such as China.

Many of the accord's measures are not contentious, such as plans to improve water quality, reduce sulphur in fuels, and co-ordinate efforts to fight pandemics and avian flu. But it also covers a host of hot-button issues such as plans to enhance data-sharing on high-risk travellers, revamp safety and environmental regulations, centralize the assessment of new chemicals and rework food safety standards.

Most of the 300 policy recommendations within the accord may not require legislative changes, the Council of Canadians said.

Ottawa Citizen
© CanWest News Service 2007

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Safe and propserous for whom??

[Alpha]

Seriously, watch this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/398640/border_patrol_ordered_not_to_arrest_illegal_border _crossers/

Cleary P, this is all part of "The Plan".

Looks like they're paying border security to let the "illegal aliens" is, as apposed to either keeping them out or keeing the borders safe.....quelle surprise ;)

And I thought your link was going to be to a video of the guy who crossed the border with an elephant and a mariachi band and now one stopped him!!!!!

[Dark Skies]

The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

Stock Day use to live a few blocks from my parents. I remember him and his family coming to their house during the local municipal campaigns many moons ago. Eventually he became the provincial finance minister for the Conservative party then spearheaded the national Alliance Party and failed miserably via his daily political blunders across the country. I had to look twice when I saw his name on this list cause I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. He's in way over his head with that group of people listed.

[Alpha]

Stock Day use to live a few blocks from my parents. I remember him and his family coming to their house during the local municipal campaigns many moons ago. Eventually he became the provincial finance minister for the Conservative party then spearheaded the national Alliance Party and failed miserably via his daily political blunders across the country. I had to look twice when I saw his name on this list cause I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. He's in way over his head with that group of people listed.

I agree Dark Skies....he just be there for a reason.....easy and convenient puppet perhaps?!

[Alpha]

Since Ian's hosting this topic tonight on 7.7.7., I thought I'd bump this thread up for those who may have missed it.

[Delphine]

Thanks, Alpha. I just spent a long time reading all of this, again. ...Or maybe I should thank you for the anxiety attack I'm having....breathe into a paper bag, right? :dance:

[Boomer]

With regards to that map I've noticed allot of road re-construction on I-94, I live near it midway between Chicago and Detroit. In some cases I see no reason at all for what they are doing to perfectly good road and in other areas there are massive changes being made like the intersection of I-94 and US-131. They tore out overpasses and are putting in new ones and adding more lanes, too early to tell yet and this is the 2nd summer they've been working on it. What does arouse my curiosity are the concrete barrier walls in one area that stand 15-20 feet high and are well away from the road itself, can't say how long these wall are going to be as it's still ongoing. I should also add this construction is going on in many locations on I-94.

[Topper]

Wonder how long it will take the North American Union to develop and print its new currency and coin? The maple leaf mexican flag dollar.

[MuseNoir]

So what kind of events will take place to spread fear through the masses in order for this to go forward? My guess is a Port "terror" incident or two. This would make an alternative to ports seem necessary.

[Boomer]

Wonder how long it will take the North American Union to develop and print its new currency and coin? The maple leaf mexican flag dollar.

Heh heh heh...I remember a poster 15 years or so ago who worked at a US Mint saying he and others were moving pallets around and he saw some paper currency that was remarkably different, he asked a supervisor about it and the reply he got was "it's for future use". That always stuck in my mind, I only wish I could remember what else he said, it wasn't typical US Currency.

[Captain Beyond]

Heh heh heh...I remember a poster 15 years or so ago who worked at a US Mint saying he and others were moving pallets around and he saw some paper currency that was remarkably different, he asked a supervisor about it and the reply he got was "it's for future use". That always stuck in my mind, I only wish I could remember what else he said, it wasn't typical US Currency.

Yes Boomer, I heard the same thing. The currency is already printed. It makes sense. You can't crash the US dollar and not have a replacement ready. I suspect something like a 10 to 1 exchange. 10 old dollars for one new one.

They will use this crisis to pay off much debt and make the Americans,Canadians, and Mexicans equal monetarily. There goes that retirement account. And you know what? We deserve it here in Amerika. We have sat on our asses way too long and it's probably too late.

[Delphine]

And you know what? We deserve it here in Amerika. We have sat on our asses way too long and it's probably too late.

You're right, Captain. We've long been too complacent. But...AND THIS IS REALLY A QUESTION....Is it really too late? Have we no fight left in us?

[Delphine]

We do have friends in high places:

The NAFTA Superhighway

by Ron Paul

October 31, 2006

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.


Dr. (medical) Ron Paul is a Republican candidate running for President. The Republican Party has asked him to NOT participate in further debates since polls revealed he "won" the first.


By now many Texans have heard about the proposed “NAFTA Superhighway,” which is also referred to as the trans-Texas corridor. What you may not know is the extent to which plans for such a superhighway are moving forward without congressional oversight or media attention.

This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside.

This will require coordinated federal and state eminent domain actions on an unprecedented scale, as literally millions of people and businesses could be displaced. The loss of whole communities is almost certain, as planners cannot wind the highway around every quaint town, historic building, or senior citizen apartment for thousands of miles.

Governor Perry is a supporter of the superhighway project, and Congress has provided small amounts of money to study the proposal. Since this money was just one item in an enormous transportation appropriations bill, however, most members of Congress were not aware of it.

The proposed highway is part of a broader plan advanced by a quasi-government organization called the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” or SPP.

The SPP was first launched in 2005 by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco.

The SPP was not created by a treaty between the nations involved, nor was Congress involved in any way. Instead, the SPP is an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several governments. One principal player is a Spanish construction company, which plans to build the highway and operate it as a toll road. But don’t be fooled: the superhighway proposal is not the result of free market demand, but rather an extension of government-managed trade schemes like NAFTA that benefit politically-connected interests.

The real issue is national sovereignty. Once again, decisions that affect millions of Americans are not being made by those Americans themselves, or even by their elected representatives in Congress. Instead, a handful of elites use their government connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our Constitution – which expressly grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade.

The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated North American Union – complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether.

A new resolution, introduced by Representative Virgil Goode of Virginia, expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway, or enter into any agreement that advances the concept of a North American Union. I wholeheartedly support this legislation, and predict that the superhighway will become a sleeper issue in the 2008 election.

Any movement toward a North American Union diminishes the ability of average Americans to influence the laws under which they must live. The SPP agreement, including the plan for a major transnational superhighway through Texas, is moving forward without congressional oversight – and that is an outrage. The administration needs a strong message from Congress that the American people will not tolerate backroom deals that threaten our sovereignty.

LOCATION OF ARTICLE
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul349.html

[Boomer]

Dr. (medical) Ron Paul is a Republican candidate running for President. The Republican Party has asked him to NOT participate in further debates since polls revealed he "won" the first.

You can thank the head of the Republican Party in Michigan for that.


This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside.

I thought of this today as I was watching "Red Dawn" on the AMC Channel. As lousy as Mexico is with all their corruption this would certainly open the door for terrorists on an unprecedented scale. Then you can slide over to the old conspiracies of China slipping it's troops into Mexico and dispersing at locations all over the US while nuking the west coast. In an event like this the only thing we have going for us is the populace is armed, the Japanese once said the only reason they didn't invade the US Mainland was everybody had a shotgun or handgun. Better buy some ammo I guess, if not for an invasion it might be needed for the proliferation of these gangs when they start creeping out of the intercity, so if you don't own a firearm...you might want to think about it and don't think 911 is faster than a speedy bullet, you're only fooling yourself.

Jesus...now I'm sounding like a "good ole boy redneck":shocked:

Oh...and I want to thank Bill Clinton for NAFTA:cussing:

[Grim Jim]

It's all part of the plan to break the US and Canadian sovereignty over their knee like dry kindling.

I hate to say it but it will eventually come down to armed conflict. On some level that may be what this country needs. What is it that Art used to say? Something about "the blood of tyrants needing to be spilled and running up the Jolly Roger"? I think it was a derivation of the quote by Thomas Jefferson regarding the Tree of Liberty needing to be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants. They need to be reminded of what happens when they take it too far.

They say they want to level the playing field but do you really think that they will be able to bring Mexico up to our standard of living?
Our food and drug safety requirements?
Our standard of medicine?
Our political rights?

You can already see the process has been underway for some time when you look around at the crap they have slowly been getting away with over the years. The weakening of our civil rights, our legal rights, our medical establishments, our border security, the allowance of slave labor to flow freely into our country and lower the average citizens ability to find work and earn a living wage when it is found.

No we will have to lower our standards to meet them halfway. Not for the benefit of the people but to enhance the bottom line for the corporations that run our country.

[Boomer]

This must be where we stand now...

[Alpha]

It's all part of the plan to break the US and Canadian sovereignty over their knee like dry kindling.

I agree with you here GJ...this is not just a US issue, it is a much larger one globally and it's now hitting North America as it did in Europe


I hate to say it but it will eventually come down to armed conflict. On some level that may be what this country needs. What is it that Art used to say? Something about "the blood of tyrants needing to be spilled and running up the Jolly Roger"? I think it was a derivation of the quote by Thomas Jefferson regarding the Tree of Liberty needing to be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants. They need to be reminded of what happens when they take it too far.It's not just your country, it's all the citizens of this planet :banghead:

Sorry, Art Bell has a very myopic view and has had, for a very long time relative to the USA. There are larger global implications and relationships here.


They say they want to level the playing field but do you really think that they will be able to bring Mexico up to our standard of living?
Our food and drug safety requirements?
Our standard of medicine?
Our political rights? And why would "THEY" want to do that? Perhaps the larger question is "who is THEY" ????

My suggestion would be to follow the $$ and who gets what for what....complex, however this is not solely an American issue.


You can already see the process has been underway for some time when you look around at the crap they have slowly been getting away with over the years. The weakening of our civil rights, our legal rights, our medical establishments, our border security, the allowance of slave labor to flow freely into our country and lower the average citizens ability to find work and earn a living wage when it is found.

No we will have to lower our standards to meet them halfway. Not for the benefit of the people but to enhance the bottom line for the corporations that run our country.Yup, yours, mine and others as well. Look what has been happening in Britain, Europe, Canada, Australia.....this is a global issue and has been played and orchestrated for a very long time....IMHO and the puppeteers are global as well...always have been.

The local politicians are the smoke and mirrors...an illusion.

The Global BIG boys call all the shots....always have.

The only difference now, is that right now it's hitting our continent for the first "visible" time since 911....in our face big time....time for all of us to wake up, me thinks ;) :sad:

[Grim Jim]

It's not just your country, it's all the citizens of this planet

Yeah it sounds like you Canadians will be getting a taste of what our border states have been getting for awhile via a pipeline directly into your country.

I started out the post in reference to both Canada and the US but after a few edits I forgot to switch to both. However, I totally agree about it being a worldwide problem. Once the Globalists that run Plantation Earth have finished breaking down the First World countries into easy to manage bite-sized Third World pieces then their true work can begin. What easier way to accomplish this than with a civil war between the races?

The sad thing is that we could all take up arms and take down the visible perpetrators of these crimes but we would still never be able to touch those behind the curtain. Those who have allegience to no country. Those who would throw their grandmother under a bus for a little more power.

I liken it to weeding out your garden. Its a job that is necessary from time to time but a job that never ends. Unfortunately, it seems like we are being forced to go the violence route as a matter of survival. Are we playing right into their hands? Maybe, but what alternative is there?

I just hope and wish there is some way around it. From the previous posts there seem to be a few in power who have spoken up but it seems that they are vastly outnumbered.

[Captain Beyond]

Welcome to the New World Order!

[Delphine]

In an event like this the only thing we have going for us is the populace is armed, the Japanese once said the only reason they didn't invade the US Mainland was everybody had a shotgun or handgun. Better buy some ammo I guess, if not for an invasion it might be needed for the proliferation of these gangs when they start creeping out of the intercity, so if you don't own a firearm...you might want to think about it

I don't know if anyone has heard of the ATF closing gun shops. I may be aware of it because one of the stores closed was no more than two miles from where I live. It had been in operation for YEARS.

What concerns me is the NUMBER of stores being closed...far more than in past years.


US focus Turns to Policing Gun Shops
A small number of stores and pawn shops account for a large number of weapons used in crime in the US. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is trying to close some of them down

By David Caruso
AP, NEW YORK
Tuesday, Jul 17, 2007

When criminals need guns, they have plenty of options in a country with nearly 100,000 licensed gun stores. But drug dealers and other crooks do not shop just anywhere. They have their favorites.

In Compton, California, gangsters preferred Boulevard Sales & Service, a shop police said was so felon-friendly, some salesmen offered tips on how to buy a gun despite a criminal record.

In Philadelphia, shady gun buyers sent girlfriends to a suburban pawn shop, Lou's Loan, where the staff would not raise a fuss if a young woman came by a few times a month to purchase cheap handguns.

***And on the outskirts of New Orleans, killers-to-be armed themselves at Elliot's Gun Shop. Over the past five years, the store was the source of 2,300 weapons later linked to crime, including an astonishing 125 homicides, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

In fact, government figures show that an extremely small number of gun shops account for a spectacularly large number of weapons used in crimes.

Stores like these have long occupied protected territory. The products they sell are legal. The US Congress has sheltered them from lawsuits and limited the power of regulators. It can take years for the ATF to revoke a dealer's license.

But there are signs that scrutiny is on the rise.

Over the past three years, ATF agents have cracked down on some of the stores most notorious for selling large numbers of weapons used in street crime. In 2005 and last year, some 220 firearms dealers had their licenses revoked -- 20 more than in the previous eight years combined.

More than two dozen stores have also been hit with lawsuits, most notably by the city of New York, where Mayor Michael Bloomberg has made gun control a talking point of what could be a nascent presidential campaign.

The pickup in enforcement action has delighted gun-control groups -- and dismayed Second Amendment advocates, who say law-abiding merchants are being driven out of business.

"I've never run into a situation where a dealer has intentionally violated the law," said Richard Gardiner, a Virginia lawyer who represents gun dealers.

If guns are being bought at these stores by criminals, "it is because they are being exploited by people who know how to beat the system," he said.

FULL ARTICLE: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2007/07/17/2003370001

The only place I could find an article on this was in the "Taipei Times"???? I don't think I trust what's going on......Especially, with the following:

OSHA Infringing on Constitutional Rights

South Coast Today
July 15, 2007 6:00 AM

OSHA, the Occupational Safety Hazard Adminiatration, is attempting to prevent the delivery of ammunition to hunters.

One measure prohibits delivery drivers from leaving "explosives" unattended. This would prevent UPS, FedEx or similar delivery services from delivering gunpowder, primers or ammunition to dealers. Not only would the ruling make it impossible for retailers to sell ammunition (unless the dealer was within driving distance of the manufacturer), it would end catalog sales as well.

OSHA also proposes that ammunition and smokeless propellant (powder) manufacturers would have to shut down and evacuate a factory or retail location when a thunderstorm approached. Further, customers would not be allowed within 50 feet of any ammunition - displayed or stored - without first being searched for matches or lighters.

Are we to understand that we'll be frisked for matches and lighters before entering a gun shop or sporting goods store that sells guns or ammo? And that the store will have to employ a male frisker for the men and a female frisker for the women?

The National Shooting Sports Foundation and other experts in the firearms industry say that the costs associated with compliance with the proposed rules could easily exceed $100 million dollars. This would force the closure of nearly all ammo manufacturers as the costs are "beyond what the market would bear."

FULL ARTICLE: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070715/SPORTS/707150362



Jesus...now I'm sounding like a "good ole boy redneck":shocked:


That's okay, with me, Boomer. I'm counting on those "good ole boy rednecks" to be ARMED AND DANGEROUS, if we need them!:laugh:


Oh...and I want to thank Bill Clinton for NAFTA:cussing:

Ah, yes, Bill and NAFTA...what a SWEET DEAL.....

[Boomer]

[B][U][I]I don't know if anyone has heard of the ATF closing gun shops. I may be aware of it because one of the stores closed was no more than two miles from where I live. It had been in operation for YEARS.

That's okay, with me, Boomer. I'm counting on those "good ole boy rednecks" to be ARMED AND DANGEROUS, if we need them!:laugh:


I'm beginning to think we need to buy long guns and ammo from a gun show as I don't think there are records kept on these, only handguns, and coat and wrap them in cosmoline/heavy waxed paper and bury them. If you have a hand gun there should be a record and you could get a knock on the door. There's a city just east of me that finally figured it out that they have a Gang problem, as bright as law enforcement is there I can see a ban on guns coming. There never was a problem until all the Mexicans started moving in, mind you I'm not racist and never was but it's the damn Truth!

Thank you Lyndon B. Johnson for the Welfare State!

[Boomer]

Just in...

[williamstade]

Personally, I am going to become the male version of The Gorillas in the Mist lady, go to the North Pole (if that's where they even are) and film Polar Bears on the Ice. LOL.

William

[Captain Beyond]

I'm beginning to think we need to buy long guns and ammo from a gun show as I don't think there are records kept on these, only handguns, and coat and wrap them in cosmoline/heavy waxed paper and bury them. If you have a hand gun there should be a record and you could get a knock on the door. There's a city just east of me that finally figured it out that they have a Gang problem, as bright as law enforcement is there I can see a ban on guns coming. There never was a problem until all the Mexicans started moving in, mind you I'm not racist and never was but it's the damn Truth!

Thank you Lyndon B. Johnson for the Welfare State!

If you buy from a dealer at a gunshow, there IS paperwork. Find individuals who come there to sell or trade. Also, buy all your ammo with cash, no credit cards.

The PTB will definitely attempt to disarm us before they begin to round us up into FEMA camps. They already did it during Katrina. You will need much ammo, and supplies to clean your weapons as well.

There are three main reasons to own firearms.
1. To fight against domestic and foreign tyranical factions.
2. Protection during an economic collapse or catastrophic event from looters and criminals
3. Hunting for food if necessary and protection from wild animals

I think you all know how I feel! :censored:

[Hadriana]

As I recall - feel free to correct me if I am wrong - while President Clinton did sign NAFTA, it was developed under George Bush Sr. -Clinton inherited it & he ratified it.
Of course Clinton did not stop it. I just feel there needs to be equal blame!
And while I will probably vote Democratic (If R.P. doesn't get the nomination) ...I won't vote for another Clinton. It is sounding too much like a monarchy already to me.

Not that I'm convinced my vote goes anywhere but into the virtual recycle bin.

I think it is too late. Between the electronic voting, and how the entire militia movement got crushed like a ripe blackberry underfoot....I don't know how people would really ever do anything EXCEPT for civil disobedience....but you can't even be gauranteed that will be covered by the mainstream media.

The 'people' have very little communication network as it is- oh we have youtube and we can rant and rave online, but it is all an open book.

I keep thinking just work within the system as it is....keep sharing news and truth with others - as some of you guys do - stock up on food, water, salt and soap, and try to live a good life....you know, just keep your eyes open.

...and get away from the coasts and cities. :)

Sometimes I hope that they are at least thinking they are doing the right thing - you know - raising the standard of living for the world's poor - that's noble - but I really feel in my heart it is some sort of greed driving it. For what I don't know - these people are already richer than rich! But then, I know a local man who is a millionaire many times over, and he just loves to play with real estate on the local scene - destroying some businesses and building others is great fun to him - like he is playing the ultimate chess. It is a power trip that is worse than alcoholism.

But then, I think - so even if their hearts are in the right place - don't they realize that if you level things out, with the US being on top of the developed world, as it is, that it is WE who get brought down a few notches?

[Delphine]

Hadriana, I often feel hopeless, also. But, I visited http://www.outragedpatriots.com/ again this morning. There are links there to other helpful sights. A grassroots campaign has begun....


WND Exclusive: PREMEDITATED MERGER

10,000 protesters expected at North America Summit

Bush to Attend Meeting Critics View as Stepping Stone to Continental Union

Posted: July 17, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

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Some of the groups that organized a 2004 protest against President Bush in Ottawa are behind a planned demonstration against the Security and Prosperity Partnership next month.

Protesters believe as many as 10,000 people could assemble in Quebec to demonstrate against the third summit meeting of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, the trilateral group some critics see as a stepping stone to a "North America Community."

Canadian state and national police are preparing for a possible violent confrontation when President Bush joins Mexican President Felipe Calderon and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper Aug. 20, 21 in Montebello, Québec, at the Fairmont Le Château Montebello resort.

Stuart Trew, a spokesman for the Council of Canadians, said his group plans to hold a public forum in Ottawa Sunday, Aug. 19, at about 4:00 p.m., bringing together speakers from the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

"We are then going to encourage people to head to Montebello on Monday and get as close they can to the Fairmont resort where the SPP meeting is going to be held, so they can protest at the site of the summit," he said.

Trew said some of the same groups that brought 15,000 people to Ottawa to protest President Bush's Nov. 30, 2004, meeting with then-Prime Minister Paul Martin are organizing the demonstration against the SPP summit. CBC News estimated the number of protestors in 2004 at closer to 5,000.

Frederic Castonguay, the town general manager of Papineauville, Quebec, told WND in a telephone interview that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Sûreté du Québec will set up operations in a town community facility that adjoins a local high school.

"Papineauville is located about six kilometers from the Montebello resort where the summit meeting will be held," Castonguay told WND, "and the Canadian national and state police have evidently decided that our town facility will be their command center."

Castonguay suggested the Canadian police may try to maintain a 25-kilometer protest-free zone around the Montebello summit meeting site.

Castonguay affirmed to WND that a deposit to lease the facility to the Council of Canadians the day before the SPP summit meeting had to be returned at the insistence of the Canadian police, but he denied a report in the Canadian press that the U.S. Army would be part of the security detail at the Papineauville community center facility.

"That's a game the Canadian press likes to play," Castonguay told WND. "The RCMP said U.S. and Mexican security forces would be involved, but they did not specifically mention the U.S. Army."

The PGA Bloc Montreal has organized a mock website designed to model Canada's SPP governmental website. The group is calling for Aug. 20 at 3 p.m. to be a "Day of Action" organized against the SPP.

The PGA Bloc Montreal is a Canadian group affiliated with the Peoples' Global Action, a worldwide group organized to protest globalism and war.

"We are calling for a convergence on Montebello, or as close to Montebello as possible, on the 20th, in the afternoon," a PGA Bloc Montreal spokesman explained to WND in an e-mail. "People are invited to come as close as possible to Montebello to demonstrate against the SPP and its promoters. Mass transportation will be organized from Montreal, but we are not planning a peace march."

"If they will not let us demonstrate peacefully in Montebello, as we have the full right to do," the PGA Bloc Montreal spokesman continued, "it is imaginable that some outraged people would want to disrupt the summit by various means."

WND previously reported a large number of Canadian activist groups are expected to join the protests.

The meeting, closed to the press, is expected to include the 30 international business leaders who comprise the SPP North American Competitiveness Council.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met July 6 in Washington with Canadian Foreign Minister Peter MacKay and Mexican Foreign Minister Patricia Espinosa to prepare for the Quebec summit.

The July meeting followed an earlier Feb. 24 meeting of the three ministers in Washington to set the stage for the summit.

Since its creation in February 1998, the Peoples' Global Action has held large street protests around the world in opposition to meetings held by various international organizations, including the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization and the G-8.

Protestors website: http://www.psp-spp.com/?q=en

[Delphine]

COLLAPSED BRIDGE ON SUPERHIGHWAY


We're all aware of the terrible tragedy in Minneapolis yesterday. My heart goes out to those caught on the collapsing bridge and their families.

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As it was announced that the investigation is beginning, I searched for a map, and saw that the bridge was on I-35 West. This seems to be part of the SUPERHIGHWAY and Minneapolis is one of the inland ports...if I'm looking at the SUPERHIGHWAY map correctly.

Why DID it collapse? I believe it was being repaired (built in 1967.) Will a completely new, possibly stronger structure be put in its place?


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[Captain Beyond]

I-35 is where the new Super Corridor will cross the river in Minnesota. Coincidence?:eek:

[Captain Beyond]

Here is another map.


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[Captain Beyond]

One eyewitness said they felt a vibration before the collapse. Now we have this for your consideration.

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Reports from Russia’s Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics located in Irkutsk are reporting today that their Siberian Solar Radio Telescope (SSRT) detected a ‘massive’ ultra low frequency (ULF) ‘blast’ emanating from Latitude: 45° 00' North Longitude: 93° 15' West at the ‘exact’ moment, and location, of a catastrophic collapse of a nearly 2,000 foot long bridge in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

To the horrific destruction of the Interstate 35W Bridge which spanned the Mississippi River we can read as reported by the Star Tribune News Service:

"The 1,907-foot bridge fell into the Mississippi River and onto roadways below. The span was packed with rush hour traffic, and dozens of vehicles fell with the bridge leaving scores of dazed commuters scrambling for their lives.

Nine people were confirmed dead as of 4 a.m. today. Sixty were taken to hospitals and 20 people were still missing this morning. Authorities said they expected the death toll to rise."

Russian Military reports state that the total collapse of such a massive bridge, and in the absence of evidence linking its destruction to terrorist activity, could only have been accomplished by an acoustic weapon, of which the United States Military is known to possess.

These reports further state that one of the United States primary research organizations into acoustic weapons research is Augsburg College, and which is located in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and most importantly less than 1 mile from the Interstate 35W Bridge collapse.

To the exact reason of why, and what exactly happened in this catastrophe we can only speculate, but, with what is known about the United States past history of using sophisticated weapons on their own citizens for ‘research’ purposes it certainly lies in the realm of possibility that this horrific tragedy is rooted in the use of ULF weapons.

To the past usage of these new types of weapons we can read even back into the 1980’s of the United States research into their use as reported by the CNN News Service:

"Imagine the implications of a weapon with no visible trace -- a weapon that could knock out tanks, ships, and planes as fast as the speed of light. The same technology, with modifications, could disorient and even tranquilize military personnel, rendering them virtually helpless in the battle zone. These are the new weapons of war we will examine in this series.

For the past 40 years, the world has been riveted by the threat of nuclear war, and more recently by the prospect of space defenses using lasers and other modern technologies.

Lightning is the most dramatic form of energy to be found in nature. Scientists have succeeded in creating limited types of artificial lightning. And some think that these could be the forerunners of a new type of directed-energy weapon, part of a family of weapons that operate within the radio frequency segment of the electromagnetic spectrum, and are thus referred to as radio frequency weapons."

To the dangers of ULF weapons being used against civilians we can read the warnings of Dr. Rauni Leena Kilde, MD, the former Chief Medical Officer for Lapland (northern Finland), who warned in 1999:

"When the use of electromagnetic fields, extra-low (ELF) and ultra-low (ULF) frequencies and microwaves aimed deliberately at certain individuals, groups, and even the general population to cause diseases, disorientation, chaos and physical and emotional pain breaks into the awareness of the general population, a public outcry is inevitable."

To the exact reason of why the United States would be targeting Minneapolis with such a massive ULF ‘blast’ we can find in the exact neighborhoods that surround the Interstate 35W Bridge, and which are home to one of the largest Muslim populations in the United States, including over 30,000 Somalis who are outraged by the US sponsored invasion of their home Nation by Ethiopian forces.

For the American people as a whole, this catastrophe provides yet another example of the consequences of their allowing their Military Forces to gain total control over their economy and lives, and which history has long shown leads always towards total destruction.

[Captain Beyond]

Also, note that this immediate area holds one of the largest Muslim populations in the US, and is represented by Keith Ellison, a muslin who was elected to congress.
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All coincidence, right?:argue:

[Alpha]

Great find CB....wouldn't doubt it for a moment!!:AR15firin


To the exact reason of why, and what exactly happened in this catastrophe we can only speculate, but, with what is known about the United States past history of using sophisticated weapons on their own citizens for ‘research’ purposes it certainly lies in the realm of possibility that this horrific tragedy is rooted in the use of ULF weapons.

To the past usage of these new types of weapons we can read even back into the 1980’s of the United States research into their use as reported by the CNN News Service:

"Imagine the implications of a weapon with no visible trace -- a weapon that could knock out tanks, ships, and planes as fast as the speed of light. The same technology, with modifications, could disorient and even tranquilize military personnel, rendering them virtually helpless in the battle zone. These are the new weapons of war we will examine in this series.

We all should be very afraid!!!!

[Boomer]

To the exact reason of why, and what exactly happened in this catastrophe we can only speculate, but, with what is known about the United States past history of using sophisticated weapons on their own citizens for ‘research’ purposes it certainly lies in the realm of possibility that this horrific tragedy is rooted in the use of ULF weapons.

While all this could be a possibility combined with the fact some of us have little trust in our government or secret government, we should look at the evidence. My guess is the one side of the bridge could have been overstressed with traffic while the other side was being worked on. The bridge was decades old and with that in mind any steel encased in concrete could have deteriorated to the point of failing. I was involved in the remodeling of an old four story hotel that was being converted to an office building. In a conversation with the architect he told me one end of the building was twisted because of a tornado that went through the city 6-7 years prior and the stanchions had to be inspected. The contractor chiseled the concrete off the stanchions or columns for inspection and found the steel had deteriorated enough they had to be stripped of rust and more steel welded onto them to insure strength and integrity, they were bad.

Another problem that comes up from time to time is some contractors due to the constraints of time and money may use a short-cut or two. If it's freezing weather some contractors will put chloride in concrete to keep it from freezing and thus weaken the concrete somewhat, not on purpose but they want the job done, or put a set in the concrete to make it cure more rapidly, this is not good either. Concrete must naturally cure for thirty days with no undue stress for optimum strength. The problem again is 'time', they want it done 'Now'. I'm no engineer but I've been around this stuff enough to know a little about it.

If this was conspiracy related I think we would have had more of an explosion as these terrorists cells wouldn't have advanced technology. Give it some time and witnesses will come forward like they did with the Murrah Building and Flight 800 if indeed it was conspiratorial.

[Alpha]

Boomer, I think the question may be, WHO are the real "terrorists"?...if they are even applicable in this case.

I agree that there is a multitude of reason and circumstance for what happened here.

Sadly, I don't believe anything anymore at what the media presents at "face value" and haven't for a very long time.

I guess my question is "evidence" and by "whom"??

Don't we already have more than a laundry list, commissions and other BS over many decades??? ...how do we ever get to the bottom of it all!!?? :arg: :angryfire

[Boomer]

Boomer, I think the question may be, WHO are the real "terrorists"?...if they are even applicable in this case.

I agree that there is a multitude of reason and circumstance for what happened here.

Sadly, I don't believe anything anymore at what the media presents at "face value" and haven't for a very long time.

I guess my question is "evidence" and by "whom"??

Don't we already have more than a laundry list, commissions and other BS over many decades??? ...how do we ever get to the bottom of it all!!?? :arg: :angryfire

All your points are well taken. Personally I think we're SCREWED! Nothing is going to happen unless we get rid of the entire Congress and many Bureaucrats and we know none of this will ever happen. They always say "well you can vote", vote for what, it doesn't take a freshman congressman long to realize if he wants to stay in office he or she better learn how to "play the game" and that game isn't with the constituency, it's with fellow congressmen and big corporations. There isn't anyway to vote the entire Congress out of office or to fire bureaucrats. We've all been had for decades if not centuries and our rights have been eroded to the point we could easily get that 'knock on the door' one night. We're just screwed and there isn't a damn thing that can be done. Welcome to Amerika!

[Tara]

holee molee, cb, that is a find alright!! you de man.
damn, i've been feeling edgey lately.

do you have a link for that article?

wow, just wow.:yikes:

[Captain Beyond]

July 31st, the phrase "twinkle twinkle little star" was broadcast on "Showbiz Tonight". That old ditty keeps coming up just before some disaster, over and over again.

Awake you sleeper agents and do the bidding of the NWO Lizard Bastards!

[Hadriana]

Mica, mica, parva stella,
Miror quaenam sis tam bella.

If anyone is a reptile, it is Rumsfeld. I was watching congress this morning doing the hearing about firing of the attorneys. Even if they aren't reptiles, they sure do remind me of reptiles.

[Delphine]

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:lmao:

[Tara]

Sorcha Faal? Yeah right. :evil:

[Delphine]

I cannot find an article, but I've heard this twice...once on Fox News TV and once on our local dominant station WWL:

A copy of the images taken of the Minneapolis bridge collapsing by the security camera was turned over to the press anonymously. The person who made them available wanted someone besides the government to have a copy of them.

Rather interesting, wouldn't you say?

[Boomer]

I cannot find an article, but I've heard this twice...once on Fox News TV and once on our local dominant station WWL:

A copy of the images taken of the Minneapolis bridge collapsing by the security camera was turned over to the press anonymously. The person who made them available wanted someone besides the government to have a copy of them.

Rather interesting, wouldn't you say?

I think that should always be done, especially with all the mistrust in our leaders and government that is so prevalent today.

[Hadriana]

I think that person was a real patriot.

Everyone says there are 3 checks and balances of our government system. However, a free and capable media has the potential to be the 4th check and balance.

We need that 4th balance. Congress is corrupt. The president is a shape shifting reptile, and the Supreme Court is stacked.

[Boomer]

I think that person was a real patriot.

Everyone says there are 3 checks and balances of our government system. However, a free and capable media has the potential to be the 4th check and balance.

We need that 4th balance. Congress is corrupt. The president is a shape shifting reptile, and the Supreme Court is stacked.

The media is the big problem in my opinion. The liberals have a real audience with the media in general. You have talk radio where the conservatives pretty much own that. TV networks are owned by the liberals with the exception of Fox news which for some very strange reason always costs more to get, Fox news pretty much tells it like it really is. Newsprint media is pretty much liberal. Here I'am rambling on when the whole program in this country is such a convoluted mess you have to suspect everything your hear is a lie.

With regard to shapeshifting reptiles...what would be fun is to abduct a bunch of these alleged shapeshifters, lock them up and just feed them something like Cheerios for a couple months and see who reverts back to a reptilian for the lack of human flesh to eat. I've read where you can piss them off and their pupils will get verticle:scared1:

[Delphine]

NAFTA Superhighway Tied to Bridge Collapse
WND Uncovers Federal Study Warning of High Risk in 1998

Posted: August 5, 2007
5:45 p.m. Eastern

LINK TO ARTICLE (Corsi has some very interesting, supportive links there.)
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57017

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Evidence of increasing international trade truck traffic on Interstate 35 through Minnesota raises concerns that NAFTA Superhighway traffic contributed to last week's collapse of the freeway bridge in Minneapolis.


WND has unearthed a FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION REPORT dating back to 1998 that warned increasing NAFTA truck traffic was expected to create a safety concern with bridges in states along the I-35 NAFTA Superhighway, including Minnesota.


The study concluded that, "The I-35 Corridor's multimodal transportation hubs – where air, rail, river, and truck cargo converge – make I-35 ideally positioned to be a major route for what is expected to be increasing levels of international trade activity."


The study warned that, "Over the next few decades, about 65 percent of I-35 will require major upgrades, however the entire route will have a continued need for rehabilitating pavements, resurfacing sections of the highway, and providing replacements of some bridge decks. Bridge substructures and superstructures will also need to be maintained, requiring repairs to maintain the integrity of the bridges."


The FHWA STUDY was conducted in conjunction with the Departments of Transportation in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa and Minnesota, and assessed I-35 from Laredo, Texas, to Duluth, Minn.


A comprehensive study of freight traffic conducted by the Federal Highway Administration, or FHWA, shows conclusively a large percentage of the freight carried through Minnesota is carried by truck.


FHWA data show that in 2002, a total of 280.7 million tons of freight moved through Minnesota, 86 percent of which was carried by truck.


The trend line shows dramatic increases projected, with freight traffic through Minnesota expected to double by 2035, to a total of 551.5 million tons, of which 88 percent will be carried by truck.


The bridge collapsed at rush hour, with an estimated 100-150 trucks and trains on the structure in bumper-to-bumper traffic.


Officials in Minnesota had been warned since 1990 that the bridge was "structurally deficient" and severely fatigued from the increasing volume of traffic the bridge, which spans the Mississippi River along Interstate 35, was receiving.


North America's SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc. (NASCO), a Dallas-based trade association, also designates I-35 as a NAFTA Superhighway.



NASCO'S WEBSITE states, "There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway – it exists today as I-35."

The ORIGINAL 2005 NASCO WEBSITE opened with a graphic map of I-35 that highlighted in yellow the continental nature of the I-35 NAFTA Superhighway, illustrating clearly the highway's links into Mexico and Canada.




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President George W. Bush, aboard Marine One, takes an aerial survey of the Interstate 35W bridge collapse in Minneapolis, Saturday, Aug. 4, 2007

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NASCO's original map highlighted the I-35 corridor from Mexico to Canada

(http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55945)

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WND has previously reported the Minnesota Department of Transportation joined NASCO as a member in 2006, after a heavy lobbying campaign launched by NASCO executive director Tiffany Melvin.


As fully documented on the Texas Department of Transportation website, the department plans to build a new Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate 35, and NASCO has yet to repudiate these new superhighway construction plans.


The debate whether or not to build a new TTC-like NAFTA Superhighway parallel to I-35 or to repair and rebuild I-35 to accommodate NAFTA and other global trade traffic required by 2025 and beyond, including projections of international truck and train freight travel, is now being debated by the states north of I-35.


As WND has reported, Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett has repudiated his signing in 2004 of a document described as "The Declaration of North American Integration."
Cornett told WND he was opposed to the creation of a North American Union or the extension of TTC-35 into Oklahoma, "if the whole point is to make it cheaper to transport containers from China coming through Mexican ports."

(http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55795)
WND has also reported Oklahoma House Speaker Lance Cargill has invited to Oklahoma Robert Poole, a prominent expert advising states to build toll roads as "public-private partnerships," complete with financing from private investment consortia seeking long-term operating leases on the new highways once completed, according to the Trans-Texas Corridor model.

[Alpha]

This is a long yet excellent article on how this all came to be:

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Toward a North American Union s
By: Patrick Wood
Editor, The August Review


Good evening, everybody. Tonight, an astonishing proposal to expand our borders to incorporate Mexico and Canada and simultaneously further diminish U.S. http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifSovereignty (javascript:void(0)). Have our political elites gone mad?
Lou Dobbs on Lou Dobbs Tonight (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ldt.01.html), June 9, 2005
Introduction





The global elite, through the direct operations of President George Bush and his Administration, are creating a North American Union that will combine Canada, Mexico and the U.S. into a superstate called the North American Union (http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifNAU (javascript:void(0))). The NAU is roughly patterned after the European Union (EU). There is no political or economic mandate for creating the NAU, and unofficial polls of a cross-section of Americans indicate that they are overwhelmingly against this end-run around national sovereignty.
To answer Lou Dobbs, "No, the political elites have not gone mad", they just want you to think that they have.


The reality over appearance is easily cleared up with a proper historical perspective of the last 35 years of political and economic manipulation by the same elite who now bring us the NAU.
This paper will explore this history in order to give the reader a complete picture of the NAU, how it is made possible, who are the instigators of it, and where it is headed.


It is important to first understand that the impending birth of the NAU is a gestation of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, not the Congress. This is the topic of the first discussion below.


The next topic will examine the global elite's strategy of subverting the power to negotiate trade treaties and international law with foreign countries from the Congress to the President. Without this power, http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifNAFTA (javascript:void(0)) and the NAU would never have been possible.


After this, we will show that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is the immediate genetic and necessary ancestor of the NAU.
Lastly, throughout this report the NAU perpetrators and their tactics will be brought into the limelight so as to affix blame where it properly belongs. The reader will be struck with the fact that the same people are at the center of each of these subjects.


The Best Government that Money Can Buy

Modern day globalization was launched with the creation of the http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifTrilateral Commission (javascript:void(0)) in 1973 by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski. Its membership consisted of just over 300 powerful elitists from North America, Europe and Japan. The clearly stated goal of the Trilateral Commission was to foster a "New International Economic Order" that would supplant the historical economic order.


In spite of its non-political rhetoric, The Trilateral Commission nonetheless established a headlock on the Executive Branch of the U.S. government with the election of James Earl Carter in 1976. Hand-picked as a presidential candidate by Brzezinski, Carter was personally tutored in globalist philosophy and foreign policy by Brzezinski himself. Subsequently, when Carter was sworn in as President, he appointed no less than one-third of the U.S. members of the Commission to his Cabinet and other high-level posts in his Administration. Such was the genesis of the Trilateral Commission's domination of the Executive Branch that continues to the present day.


With the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, Trilateral Commission member George H.W. Bush was introduced to the White House as vice-president. Through Bush's influence, Reagan continued to select key appointments from the ranks of the Trilateral Commission.


In 1988, George H.W. Bush began his four-year term as President. He was followed by fellow Trilateral Commission member William Jefferson Clinton, who served for 8 years as President and appointed fourteen fellow Trilateral members to his Administration.


The election of George W. Bush in 2000 should be no surprise. Although Bush was not a member of the Trilateral Commission, his vice-president Dick Cheney is. In addition, Dick Cheney's wife, Lynne, is also a member of the Commission in her own right.


The http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifHegemony (javascript:void(0)) of the Trilateral Commission over the Executive Branch of the U.S. government is unmistakable. Critics argue that this scenario is merely circumstantial, that the most qualified political "talent" quite naturally tends to belong to groups like the Trilateral Commission in the first place. Under examination, such explanations are quite hollow.
Why would the Trilateral Commission seek to dominate the Executive Branch? Quite simply - Power! That is, power to get things done directly which would have been impossible to accomplish through the only moderately successful lobbying efforts of the past; power to use the government as a bully platform to modify political behavior throughout the world.
Of course, the obvious corollary to this hegemony is that the influence and impact of the citizenry is virtually eliminated.


Modern Day "World Order" Strategy

After its founding in 1973, Trilateral Commission members wasted no time in launching their globalist strategy. But, what was that strategy?
Richard Gardner was an original member of the Trilateral Commission, and one of the prominent architects of the New International Economic Order. In 1974, his article "The Hard Road to World Order" appeared in Foreign Affairs magazine, published by the Council on Foreign Relations. With obvious disdain for anyone holding nationalistic political views, Gardner proclaimed,

"In short, the 'house of world order' would have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."1 [emphasis added]
In Gardner's view, using treaties and trade agreements (such as General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs or http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifGATT (javascript:void(0))) would bind and supercede constitutional law piece by piece, which is exactly what has happened. In addition, Gardner highly esteemed the role of the United Nations as a third-party legal body that could be used to erode the national sovereignty of individual nations.
Gardner concluded that "the case-by-case approach can produce some remarkable concessions of 'sovereignty' that could not be achieved on an across-the-board basis"2


Thus, the end result of such a process is that the U.S. would eventually capitulate its sovereignty to the newly proposed world order. It is not specifically mentioned who would control this new order, but it is quite obvious that the only 'players' around are Gardner and his Trilateral cronies.
It should again be noted that the formation of the Trilateral Commission by Rockefeller and Brzezinski was a response to the general frustration that globalism was going nowhere with the status quo prior to 1973. The "frontal assault " had failed, and a new approach was needed. It is a typical mindset of the global elite to view any roadblock as an opportunity to stage an "end-run" to get around it. Gardner confirms this frustration:

"Certainly the gap has never loomed larger between the objectives and the capacities of the international organizations that were supposed to get mankind on the road to world order. We are witnessing an outbreak of shortsighted nationalism that seems oblivious to the economic, political and moral implications of interdependence. Yet never has there been such widespread recognition by the world's intellectual leadership of the necessity for cooperation and planning on a truly global basis, beyond country, beyond region, especially beyond social system."3
The "world's intellectual leadership" apparently refers to academics such as Gardner and Brzezinski. Outside of the Trilateral Commission and the http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifCFR (javascript:void(0)), the vast majority of academic thought at the time was opposed to such notions as mentioned above.


Laying the Groundwork:

http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifFast Track (javascript:void(0)) Authority

In Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, authority is granted to Congress "To regulate commerce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause) with foreign nations." An end-run around this insurmountable obstacle would be to convince Congress to voluntarily turn over this power to the President. With such authority in hand, the President could freely negotiate treaties and other trade agreements with foreign nations, and then simply present them to Congress for a straight up or down vote, with no amendments possible. This again points out elite disdain for a Congress that is elected to be representative "of the people, by the people and for the people."


So, the first "Fast Track" legislation was passed by Congress in 1974, just one year after the founding of the Trilateral Commission. It was the same year that Nelson Rockefeller was confirmed as Vice President under President Gerald Ford, neither of whom were elected by the U.S. public. As Vice-President, Rockefeller was seated as the president of the U.S. Senate.
According to Public Citizen, the bottom line of Fast Track is that...

"...the White House signs and enters into trade deals before Congress ever votes on them. Fast Track also sets the parameters for congressional debate on any trade measure the President submits, requiring a vote within a certain time with no amendments and only 20 hours of debate."4
When an agreement is about to be given to Congress, high-powered lobbyists and political hammer-heads are called in to manipulate congressional hold-outs into voting for the legislation. (*See http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifCAFTA (javascript:void(0)) Lobbying Efforts) With only 20 hours of debate allowed, there is little opportunity for public involvement.


Congress clearly understood the risk of giving up this power to the President, as evidenced by the fact that they put an automatic expiration date on it. Since the expiration of the original Fast Track, there been a very contentious trail of Fast Track renewal efforts. In 1996, President Clinton utterly failed to re-secure Fast Track after a bitter debate in Congress. After another contentious struggle in 2001/2002, President Bush was able to renew Fast Track for himself in the Trade Act of 2002, just in time to negotiate the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) and insure its passage in 2005.


It is startling to realize that since 1974, Fast Track has not been used in the majority of trade agreements. Under the Clinton presidency, for instance, some 300 separate trade agreements were negotiated and passed normally by Congress, but only two of them were submitted under Fast Track: NAFTA and the GATT http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifUruguay Round (javascript:void(0)). In fact, from 1974 to 1992, there were only three instances of Fast Track in action: GATT Tokyo Round, U.S.-Israel Free Trade Agreement and the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement. Thus, NAFTA was only the fourth invocation of Fast Track.
Why the selectivity? Does it suggest a very narrow agenda? Most certainly. These trade and legal bamboozles didn't stand a ghost of a chance to be passed without it, and the global elite knew it. Fast Track was created as a very specific legislative tool to accomplish a very specific executive task -- namely, to "fast track" the creation of the "New International Economic Order" envisioned by the Trilateral Commission in 1973!


Article Six of the U.S. Constitution states that "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." Because international treaties supersede national law, Fast Track has allowed an enormous restructuring of U.S. law without resorting to a Constitutional convention (Ed. note: Both Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski called for a constitutional convention as early as 1972, which could clearly be viewed as a failed "frontal assault"). As a result, national sovereignty of the United States has been severely compromised - even if some Congressmen and Senators are aware of this, the general public is still generally ignorant.


North American Free Trade Agreement


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NAFTA was negotiated under the executive leadership of Republican President George H.W. Bush. Carla Hills is widely credited as being the primary architect and negotiator of NAFTA. Both Bush and Hills were members of the Trilateral Commission!
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NAFTA "Initialing" Ceremony: From left to right (standing)
President Salinas, President Bush, Prime Minister Mulroney
(Seated) Jaime Serra Puche, Carla Hills, Michael Wilson.


With Bush's first presidential term drawing to a close and Bush desiring political credit for NAFTA, an "initialing" ceremony of NAFTA was staged (so Bush could take credit for NAFTA) in October, 1992. Although very official looking, most Americans did not understand the difference between initialing and signing; at the time, Fast Track was not implemented and Bush did not have the authority to actually sign such a trade agreement.
Bush subsequently http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifLOST (javascript:void(0)) a publicly contentious presidential race to democrat William Jefferson Clinton, but they were hardly polar opposites on the issue of Free Trade and NAFTA: The reason? Clinton was also a seasoned member of the Trilateral Commission.
Immediately after inauguration, Clinton became the champion of NAFTA and orchestrated its passage with a massive Executive Branch effort.


Some Unexpected Resistance to NAFTA

Prior to the 1992 election, there was a fly in the elite's ointment -- namely, presidential candidate and billionaire Ross Perot, founder and chairman of Electronic Data Systems (EDS). Perot was politically independent, vehemently anti-NAFTA and chose to make it a major campaign issue in 1991. In the end, the global elite would have to spend huge sums of money to overcome the negative publicity that Perot gave to NAFTA.


At the time, some political analysts believed that Perot, being a billionaire, was somehow put up to this task by the same elitists who were pushing NAFTA. Presumably, it would accumulate all the anti-globalists in one tidy group, thus allowing the elitists to determine who their true enemies really were. It's moot today whether he was sincere or not, but it did have that outcome, and Perot became a lightning rod for the whole issue of free trade.


Perot hit the nail squarely on the head in one of his nationally televised campaign speeches:

"If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory south of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, hire young -- let's assume you've been in business for a long time and you've got a mature workforce - pay a dollar an hour for your labor, have no health care - that's the most expensive single element in making a car - have no environmental controls, no pollution controls, and no retirement, and you didn't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south..."5 [emphasis added]
Perot's message struck a nerve with millions of Americans, but it was unfortunately cut short when he entered into public campaign debates with fellow candidate Al Gore. Simply put, Gore ate Perot's lunch, not so much on the issues themselves, but on having superior debating skills. As organized as Perot was, he was no match for a politically and globally seasoned politician like Al Gore.


The Spin Machine gears up


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To counter the public relations damage done by Perot, all the stops were pulled out as the NAFTA vote drew near. As proxy for the global elite, the President unleashed the biggest and most expensive spin machine the country had ever seen.
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NAFTA/NAU Emblem


Former Chrysler chairman Lee Iacocca was enlisted for a multi-million dollar nationwide ad campaign that praised the benefits of NAFTA. The mantra, carried consistently throughout the many spin events: "Exports. Better Jobs. Better Wages", all of which have turned out to be empty promises
Bill Clinton invited three former presidents to the White House to stand with him in praise and affirmation NAFTA. This was the first time in U.S. history that four presidents had ever appeared together. Of the four, three were members of the Trilateral Commission: Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush. Gerald Ford was not a Commissioner, but was nevertheless a confirmed globalist insider. After Ford's accession to the presidency in 1974, he promptly nominated Nelson Rockefeller (David Rockefeller's oldest brother) to fill the Vice Presidency that Ford had just vacated.


The academic community was enlisted when, according to Harper's Magazine publisher John MacArthur,

...there was a pro-NAFTA petition, organized and written my MIT's Rudiger Dornbusch, addressed to President Clinton and signed by all twelve living Nobel laureates in economics, and exercise in academic logrolling that was expertly converted by Bill Daley and the A-Team into PR gold on the front page of The New York Times on September 14. 'Dear Mr. President,' wrote the 283 signatories..."6


Lastly, prominent Trilateral Commission members themselves took to the press to promote NAFTA. For instance, on May 13, 1993, Commissioners Henry Kissinger and Cyrus Vance wrote a joint op-ed that stated:

"[NAFTA] would be the most constructive measure the United States would have undertaken in our hemisphere in this century."7
Two months later, Kissinger went further,

"It will represent the most creative step toward a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the Cold War, and the first step toward an even larger vision of a free-trade zone for the entire Western Hemisphere." [NAFTA] is not a conventional trade agreement, but the architecture of a new international system."8 [emphasis added]
It is hardly fanciful to think that Kissinger's hype sounds quite similar to the Trilateral Commission's original goal of creating a New International Economic Order.
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On January 1, 1994, NAFTA became law: Under Fast Track procedures, the house had passed it by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor) and the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38.
That Giant Sucking Sound Going South
To understand the potential impact of the North American Union, one must understand the impact of NAFTA.
NAFTA promised greater exports, better jobs and better wages. Since 1994, just the opposite has occurred. The U.S. trade deficit soared and now approaches $1 trillion dollars per year; the U.S. has lost some 1.5 million jobs and real wages in both the U.S. and Mexico have fallen significantly.
Patrick Buchanan offered a simple example of NAFTA's deleterious effect on the U.S. economy:

"When NAFTA passed in 1993, we imported some 225,000 cars and trucks from Mexico, but exported about 500,000 vehicles to the world. In 2005, our exports to the world were still a shade under 500,000 vehicles, but our auto and truck imports from Mexico had tripled to 700,000 vehicles.
"As McMillion writes, Mexico now exports more cars and trucks to the United States than the United States exports to the whole world. A fine end, is it not, to the United States as "Auto Capital of the World"?
"What happened? Post-NAFTA, the Big Three just picked up a huge slice of our auto industry and moved it, and the jobs, to Mexico."9
Of course, this only represents the auto industry, but the same effect has been seen in many other industries as well. Buchanan correctly noted that NAFTA was never just a trade deal: Rather, it was an "enabling act - to enable U.S. corporations to dump their American workers and move their factories to Mexico." Indeed, this is the very spirit of all outsourcing of U.S. jobs and manufacturing facilities to overseas locations.
Respected economist Alan Tonelson, author of The Race to the Bottom, notes the smoke and mirrors that cloud what has really happened with exports:

"Most U.S. exports to Mexico before, during and since the (1994) peso crisis have been producer goods - in particular, parts and components sent by U.S. multinationals to their Mexican factories for assembly or for further processing. The vast majority of these, moreover, are reexported, and most get shipped right back to the United States for final sale. In fact, by most estimates, the United States buys 80 to 90 percent of all of Mexico's exports."10


Tonelson concludes that "the vast majority of American workers have experienced declining living standards, not just a handful of losers."
Mexican economist and scholar Miguel Pickard sums up Mexico's supposed benefits from NAFTA:

"Much praise has been heard for the few 'winners' that NAFTA has created, but little mention is made of the fact that the Mexican people are the deal's big 'losers.' Mexicans now face greater unemployment, poverty, and inequality than before the agreement began in 1994."11


In short, NAFTA has not been a friend to the citizenry of the United States or Mexico. Still, this is the backdrop against which the North American Union is being acted out. The globalization players and their promises have remained pretty much the same, both just as disingenuous as ever.


Prelude to the North American Union

Soon after NAFTA was passed in 1994, Dr. Robert A. Pastor began to push for a "deep integration" which NAFTA could not provide by itself. His dream was summed up in his book, Toward a North American Union, published in 2001. Unfortunately for Pastor, the book was released just a few days prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York and thus received little attention from any sector.
However, Pastor had the right connections. He was invited to appear before the plenary session (held in Ontario, Canada) of the Trilateral Commission on November 1-2, 2002, to deliver a paper drawing directly on his book. His paper, "A Modest Proposal To the Trilateral Commission", made several recommendations:

"... the three governments should establish a North American Commission (NAC) to define an agenda for Summit meetings by the three leaders and to monitor the implementation of the decisions and plans.
A second institution should emerge from combining two bilateral legislative groups into a North American Parliamentary Group.
"The third institution should be a Permanent Court on Trade and Investment
"The three leaders should establish a North American Development Fund, whose priority would be to connect the U.S.-Mexican border region to central and southern Mexico.
The North American Commission should develop an integrated continental plan for transportation and infrastructure.
"...negotiate a Customs Union and a Common External http://www.augustreview.com/mambots/content/glossarbot/info.gifTariff (javascript:void(0))
"Our three governments should sponsor Centers for North American Studies in each of our countries to help the people of all three understand the problems and the potential of North America and begin to think of themselves as North Americans"12 [emphasis added] Pastor's choice of the words "Modest Proposal" are almost comical considering that he intends to reorganize the entire North American continent.


Nevertheless, the Trilateral Commission bought Pastor's proposals hook, line and sinker. Subsequently, it was Pastor who emerged as the U.S. vice-chairman of the CFR task force that was announced on October 15, 2004:

"The Council has launched an independent task force on the future of North America to examine regional integration since the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement ten years ago... The task force will review five spheres of policy in which greater cooperation may be needed. They are: deepening economic integration; reducing the development gap; harmonizing regulatory policy; enhancing security; and devising better institutions to manage conflicts that inevitably arise from integration and exploit opportunities for collaboration."13
Independent task force, indeed! A total of twenty-three members were chosen from the three countries. Each country was represented by a member of the Trilateral Commission: Carla A. Hills (U.S.), Luis Rubio (Mexico) and Wendy K. Dobson (Canada). Robert Pastor served as the U.S. vice-chairman.
This CFR task force was unique in that it focused on economic and political policies for all three countries, not just the U.S. The Task Force stated purpose was to

"... identify inadequacies in the current arrangements and suggest opportunities for deeper cooperation on areas of common interest. Unlike other Council-sponsored task forces, which focus primarily on U.S. policy, this initiative includes participants from Canada and Mexico, as well as the United States, and will make policy recommendations for all three countries."14 [Emphasis added]
Richard Haass, chairman of the CFR and long-time member of the Trilateral Commission, pointedly made the link between NAFTA and integration of Mexico, Canada and the U.S.:

"Ten years after NAFTA, it is obvious that the security and economic futures of Canada, Mexico, and the United States are intimately bound. But there is precious little thinking available as to where the three countries need to be in another ten years and how to get there. I am excited about the potential of this task force to help fill this void,"15
Haass' statement "there is precious little thinking available" underscores a repeatedly used elitist technique. That is, first decide what you want to do, and secondly, assign a flock of academics to justify your intended actions. (This is the crux of academic funding by NGO's such as Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, Carnegie-Mellon, etc.) After the justification process is complete, the same elites that suggested it in the first place allow themselves to be drawn in as if they had no other logical choice but to play along with the "sound thinking" of the experts.


The task force met three times, once in each country. When the process was completed, it issued its results in May, 2005, in a paper titled "Building a North American Community" and subtitled "Report of the Independent Task Force on the Future of North America." Even the sub-title suggests that the "future of North America" is a fait accompli decided behind closed doors.


Some of the recommendations of the task force are:

"Adopt a common external tariff."
"Adopt a North American Approach to Regulation"
"Establish a common security perimeter by 2010."
"Establish a North American investment fund for infrastructure and human capital."
"Establish a permanent tribunal for North American dispute resolution."
"An annual North American Summit meeting" that would bring the heads-of-state together for the sake of public display of confidence.
"Establish minister-led working groups that will be required to report back within 90 days, and to meet regularly."
Create a "North American Advisory Council"
Create a "North American Inter-Parliamentary Group."16
Sound familiar? It should: Many of the recommendations are verbatim from Pastor's "modest" presentation to the Trilateral Commission mentioned above, or from his earlier book, Toward a North American Union.
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Shortly after the task force report was issued, the heads of all three countries did indeed meet together for a summit in Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The specific result of the summit was the creation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPPNA). The joint press release stated
"We, the elected leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, have met in Texas to announce the establishment of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.
"We will establish working parties led by our ministers and secretaries that will consult with stakeholders in our respective countries. These working parties will respond to the priorities of our people and our businesses, and will set specific, measurable, and achievable goals. They will outline concrete steps that our governments can take to meet these goals, and set dates that will ensure the continuous achievement of results.

"Within 90 days, ministers will present their initial report after which, the working parties will submit six-monthly reports. Because the Partnership will be an ongoing process of cooperation, new items will be added to the work agenda by mutual agreement as circumstances warrant."17


Once again, we see Pastor's North American Union ideology being continued, but this time as an outcome of a summit meeting of three heads-of-states. The question must be raised, "Who is really in charge of this process?"


Indeed, the three premiers returned to their respective countries and started their "working parties" to "consult with stakeholders." In the U.S., the "specific, measurable, and achievable goals" were only seen indirectly by the creation of a government website billed as "Security and Prosperity Partnetship of North America." (www.spp.gov) The stakeholders are not mentioned by name, but it is clear that they are not the public of either of the three countries; most likely, they are the corporate interests represented by the members of the Trilateral Commission!


The second annual summit meeting took place on March 30-31, 2006, in Cancun, Mexico between Bush, Fox and Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper.

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The Security and Prosperity Partnership agenda was summed up in a statement from Mexican president Vicente Fox:

"We touched upon fundamental items in that meeting. First of all, we carried out an evaluation meeting. Then we got information about the development of programs. And then we gave the necessary instructions for the works that should be carried out in the next period of work... We are not renegotiating what has been successful or open the Free Trade Agreement. It's going beyond the agreement, both for prosperity and security."18 [emphasis added]
Regulations instead of Treaties

It may not have occurred to the reader that the two SPP summits resulted in no signed agreements. This is not accidental nor a failure of the summit process. The so-called "deeper integration" of the three countries is being accomplished through a series of regulations and executive decrees that avoid citizen watchdogs and legislative oversight.19


In the U.S., the 2005 Cancun summit spawned some 20 different working groups that would deal with issues from immigration to security to harmonization of regulations, all under the auspices of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (www.spp.gov). The SPP in the U.S. is officially placed under the Department of Commerce, headed by Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez, but other Executive Branch agencies also have SPP components that report to Commerce.


After two years of massive effort, the names of the SPP working group members have not been released. The result of their work have also not been released. There is no congressional legislation or oversight of the SPP process.


The director of SPP, Geri Word, was contacted to ask why a cloud of secrecy is hanging over SPP. According to investigative journalist Jerome Corsi, Word replied

"We did not want to get the contact people of the working groups distracted by calls from the public." 20
This paternalistic attitude is a typical elitist mentality Their work (whatever they have dreamed up on their own) is too important to be distracted by the likes of pesky citizens or their elected legislators.
This elite change of tactics must not be understated: Regulations and Executive Orders have replaced Congressional legislation and public debate. There is no pretense of either. This is another Gardner-style "end-run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece."


Apparently, the Trilateral-dominated Bush administration believes that it has accumulated sufficient power to ram the NAU down the throat of the American People, whether they protest or not.


Robert A. Pastor: A Trilateral Commission Operative

As mentioned earlier, Pastor is hailed as the father of the North American Union, having written more papers about it, delivered more testimonies before Congress, and headed up task forces to study it, than any other single U.S. academic figure. He would seem a tireless architect and advocate of the NAU.


Although he might seem to be a fresh, new name to in the globalization business, Pastor has a long history with Trilateral Commission members and the global elite.


He is the same Robert Pastor who was the executive director of the 1974 CFR task force ( funded by the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations) called the Commission on US-Latin American Relations - aka the Linowitz Commission. The Linowitz Commission, chaired by an original Trilateral Commissioner Sol Linowitz, was singularly credited with the giveaway of the Panama Canal in 1976 under the Carter presidency. ALL of the Linowitz Commission members were members of the Trilateral Commission save one, Albert Fishlow; other members were W. Michael Blumenthal, Samuel Huntington, Peter G. Peterson, Elliot Richardson and David Rockefeller.


One of Carter's first actions as President in 1977 was to appoint Zbigniew Brzezinski to the post of National Security Advisor. In turn, one of Brzezinski's first acts was to appoint his protege, Dr. Robert A. Pastor, as director of the Office of Latin American and Caribbean Affairs. Pastor then became the Trilateral Commission's point-man to lobby for the Canal giveaway.


To actually negotiate the Carter-Torrijos Treaty, Carter sent none other than Sol Linowitz to Panama as temporary ambassador. The 6-month temporary appointment avoided the requirement for Senate confirmation. Thus, the very same people who created the policy became responsible for executing it.


The Trilateral Commission's role in the Carter Administration is confirmed by Pastor himself in his 1992 paper The Carter Administration and Latin America: A Test of Principle:

"In converting its predisposition into a policy, the new administration had the benefit of the research done by two private commissions. Carter, Vance, and Brzezinski were members of the Trilateral Commission, which provided a conceptual framework for collaboration among the industrialized countries in approaching the full gamut of international issues. With regard to setting an agenda and an approach to Latin America, the most important source of influence on the Carter administration was the Commission on U.S.-Latin American Relations, chaired by Sol M. Linowitz."21
As to the final Linowitz Commission reports on Latin America, most of which were authored by Pastor himself, he states:

"The reports helped the administration define a new relationship with Latin America, and 27 of the 28 specific recommendations in the second report became U.S. policy."22
Pastor's deep involvement with Trilateral Commission members and policies is irrefutable, and it continues into the present.
In 1996, when Trilateral Commissioner Bill Clinton nominated Pastor as Ambassador to Panama, his confirmation was forcefully knocked down by Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC), who held a deep grudge against Pastor for his central role in the giveaway of the Panama Canal in 1976.


The setback obviously did not phase Pastor in the slightest.


Where from here?

The stated target for full implementation of the North American Union is 2010.

"The Task Force proposes the creation by 2010 of a North American community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity. We propose a community based on the principle affirmed in the March 2005 Joint Statement of the three leaders that 'our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary.' Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America." 23
Don't underestimate the global elite's ability to meet their own deadlines!


Conclusion

This paper does not pretend to give thorough or even complete coverage to such important and wide-ranging topics as discussed above. We have shown that the restructuring of the United States has been accomplished by a very small group of powerful global elitists as represented by members of the Trilateral Commission.


The Trilateral Commission plainly stated that it intended to create a New International Economic Order. We have followed their members from 1973 to the present, only to find that they are at the dead center of every critical policy and action that seeks to restructure the U.S.


Some critics will undoubtedly argue that involvement by members of the Trilateral Commission is merely incidental. However, the odds for their involvement at random is too large to be even remotely understandable; it would be like winning the lottery jackpot five times in a row, with the same numbers!


The credo of The August Review is "Follow the money, follow the power.


" In this view, the United States has literally been hijacked by less than 300 greedy and self-serving global elitists who have little more than contempt for the citizens of the countries they would seek to dominate.



According to Trilateralist Richard Gardner's viewpoint, this incremental takeover (rather than a frontal approach) has been wildly successful.
To again answer Lou Dobbs question, "Have our political elites gone mad?"


-- No Lou, they are not "mad", nor are they ignorant. To look into the face of these global elites is to look into the face of unmitigated greed, avarice and treachery.

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**Key Point - as you can see, it doesn't matter what political party is in power, bet they Democrat, Republica, Conservative, Liberal or other...they are all the same coin, different spin and all working together** This is one of the the reasons that discussion of partisan politics is ....well just let's leave it at that!! ;)

[Delphine]

Good news for a change? I suppose we'll have to wait and see.


Government stepping up immigration efforts



Associated Press
August 9, 2007



WASHINGTON — The Bush administration plans to step up immigration enforcement by raising fines on employers who hire undocumented workers, overhauling temporary worker programs and speeding up deployment of border agents, according to a summary of the plans.


Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez planned to announce broad immigration changes at a news conference Friday.


Some of the initiatives are similar to proposals contained in recent immigration legislation, although they are not nearly as sweeping as the bill that failed to pass the Senate. Other measures are already under way.


An outline of the announcement, obtained by The Associated Press from a congressional aide, said the administration plans to expand the list of international gangs whose members are automatically denied admission to the U.S., reduce processing times for immigrant background checks and install, by the end of the year, an exit system so the departure of foreigners from the country can be recorded at airports and seaports.


In addition, employers will face possible criminal sanctions if they don't fire employees unable to clear up problems with their Social Security numbers.


Also, the Homeland Security Department will ask states to voluntarily share their driver's license photos and records with the agency for use in an employment verification system. The sharing is meant to help employers detect fraudulent licenses, according to the summary.


A spokesman for the Homeland Security Department declined to comment because the announcement had not been made. The Commerce Department press office also declined comment.


Chertoff alluded to the new enforcement tactics in a speech in Boston on Wednesday, calling to it "tool sharpening."


"We shouldn't have a patchwork of laws. We should be doing a comprehensive federal solution, but we haven't got that thing done," Chertoff said. "What I can tell you is we will certainly use every enforcement tool that we have, and every resource that we have available, to tackle the problem."


President Bush suffered a major political defeat when Senate immigration legislation failed to pass this year.


The legislation was opposed by many conservatives who complained that Americans don't trust the government to start new immigration programs because existing immigration laws are not being enforced.


The Senate bill would have allowed millions of illegal immigrants to obtain legal status and eventually apply for legal residency. It also would have created a guest worker program and stepped up border security.


Some members have kept up efforts to tighten the border. Last month, the Senate added $3 billion to a Homeland Security bill to be used for U.S.-Mexico border security.

[Dera]

At last, a wee glimmer of hope :fing02: I hope I hope I hope. :slaphappy

[Alpha]

The Big Picture behind North American Integration (http://oldthinker.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/the-big-picture-behind-north-american-integration/)

Aug 13, 2007 in North American Union (http://wordpress.com/tag/north-american-union/)

Elites plan for regional rule under one-world government
Old-thinker news | August 14, 2007 (http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/big_picture_of_north_america.htm)
By Daniel Taylor


Is there a plan to divide the world into economic and political regions under a world government?

Is the North American Union part of this plan?


In 1954, the Bilderberg group held its first meeting at the Hotel de Bilderberg in the Netherlands. It was during this meeting that the first discussions of European integration were held.


Thanks to BBC radio 4 (http://oldthinkernews.com/audio/bbc_radio_4_bilderberg.mp3), documents were discovered which detailed what went on inside the extremely secretive conference. The host of the BBC radio program reads from the 1954 document, which states, “Some sort of European Union has long been a utopian dream, but the conference has agreed that it is now a necessity of our time.”



Since 1954, the European Union has become a reality. Will the global elite continue to divide the world?


Today, the creation of an African Union is underway. As with the European Union, the African Union is to have a common currency, along with a unified military.


As Jerome Corsi reports (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57018),
“Advancing the movement toward economic and political globalism, the African Union is moving down the path of regional economic integration, with the expected end result of continental economic and political integration.”


“And while the AU is still in a formative state, it’s already officially designated by an emblem, a flag, an anthem, a central bank, and unified continental military force.”


“The goal of the African Central Bank is to create an African Single Currency. African Union planners are currently calling the African continental currency the “Gold Mandela.”"


The creation of regional currencies, and the removal of “unwanted currencies” is necessary, according to Benn Steil. Writing in the Council on Foreign Relations publication (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070501faessay86308/benn-steil/the-end-of-national-currency.html), Foreign Affairs, Steil states that, “The world needs to abandon unwanted currencies, replacing them with dollars, euros, and multinational currencies as yet unborn.” “Countries should abandon monetary nationalism,” says Steil.


Members of the Council on Foreign Relations have made statements regarding the goals of the Council, which mirror current agendas of the group.


“The Council on Foreign Relations is the American Branch of a society which originated in England… (and) …believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established.”


- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations, mentor to Bill Clinton
“The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government.”


- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy


In 1999, the Bilderberg group met in Sintra, Portugal, where they discussed plans for a new economic world order.



Thanks to Jim Tucker’s infiltration of the secretive group, we are able to get an idea of what was talked about inside the meeting.



Writing in his book, Bilderberg Diary, Tucker says,
“Kenneth Clarke, a member of the British Parliament and former chancellor for the exchequer , had called for a new “international financial architecture” at the 1999 meeting of Bilderberg. The world should have three major regional currencies, Clarke told his Bilderberg colleagues.



The first is already on the world scene: The European euro. And Britain will join in the European common currency, he said. Clarke said he would like to see the pound grow weaker to facilitate Britain’s entry into the common currency…



The next step is toward a second great regional currency in the Western Hemisphere, Clarke said. The “amerijo” will come about by the “dollarization” of Latin America.”


Tucker continues,
“Bilderberg colleagues agreed that the emerging regional currencies, which will be identified with no specific country, will do much to eliminate “nationalism” and the “antiquated notions of sovereignty.”


The elite’s plans have changed slightly over the years, but at their core they remain the same. The “amerijo” discussed by Bilderberg in 1999 appears to have transformed into the common currency for North America called the “amero,” as coined by Herbert Grubel, and supported by Robert Pastor.


Steve Previs spoke of the amero and its far reaching implications for Canada, Mexico and the United States on CNBC.





The proposed North American Union has not been popular among informed Americans and Canadians. This has not gone un-noticed to the elite.


As reported here last week (http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/globalist_think_tank.htm), a conference was held in 2002 during which recommendations were given by CFR members on how to best propagandize Americans into a “North American Consciousness.”


The ultimate goal?

In 1973 the Club of Rome issued a report titled the “Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System.” In this report a map is shown which divides the world into 10 political/economic regions.
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Will the North American Union fall in line with the elite’s ultimate goal? Only time will tell. Until then, there is still time to resist (http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/defeating_the_north_american_uni.htm).

[Delphine]

Alpha, in your map, do you know why Mexico isn't included with the U.S. and Canada?

[Alpha]

Alpha, in your map, do you know why Mexico isn't included with the U.S. and Canada?

No I don't Delphine...I was curious about that as well.

It doesn't jive with the other information and goings on, does it!

[Alpha]

I'm infuriated that no-one in the Canadian News has the balls to really talk about what this meeting is about...it's about the NAU...the PLAN!!

Many news articles on this one...here's just one of them!!

New North American trade proposal draws fire at Montebello
http://www.nupge.ca/images_2007/spp_protest.jpgProposed Security and Prosperity Partnership is described as NAFTA on drugs

Montebello (21 August 2007) - Police and protestors clashed in this small Quebec resort town as Prime Minister Stephen Harper welcomed George Bush and Felipe Calderon to a North American leaders' summit to discuss Canada-U.S.-Mexico issues behind closed doors, especially the secrecy-shrouded Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP).
Described by critics as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) on drugs, the SPP is the latest trade initiative that the corporate world is attempting to push into law with the co-operation of the three leaders.

Everything possible is being done during the summit to minimize opposition to the SPP. For example, Maude Barlow, chair of the Council of Canadians, was prevented Monday – despite prior arrangements – from delivering a 10,000-signature petition at the gates of the Montebello resort.

Police in riot gear, armed with batons, shields and gas masks, fired tear gas and jostled with protesters after 20 busloads of demonstrators arrived in Montebello, approximately 70 kilometres east of Ottawa. The protesters marched toward the historic log resort, ringed in advance of the summit by a four-metre-high steel security fence.

Demonstrators shouted slogans and carried banners, one reading, "Say no To AmeriCanada." The marchers included numerous labour representatives, headed by the Canadian Labour Congress.

"According to the corporate elites behind the scheme, the SPP is just a shot of what business needs to perform better and make corporate profits higher, faster and stronger. The only problem is they won’t tell us what this involves," the congress says.

"Ask any of the hundreds of thousands of workers in Canada who no longer have a good job in manufacturing or forestry and they’ll tell you that life is hard enough under NAFTA. Ask the millions of people who can see how fast our standards for everything from protecting the environment, to retirement security, to transportation infrastructure like trains and bridges have fallen in recent times. They’ll tell you the SPP is just the latest corporate party drug."

Harper greeted Bush warmly when he arrived at the resort early Monday afternoon. Asked for his reaction to the demonstrations, Harper was dismissive. “I’ve heard it’s nothing. It’s sad,” he told reporters.

NUPGE

The National Union of Public and General Employees (NUPGE) is one of Canada's largest labour organizations with over 340,000 members. Our mission is to improve the lives of working families and to build a stronger Canada by ensuring that our common wealth is used for the common good. NUPGE

[Delphine]

Alpha,
Fox News in the US had an item on it on TV and DID mention briefly that some think it's the beginning of a North American Union. It was treated quite seriously, but was followed by sentence that the PTB say that's ridiculous. I can't find the subject mentioned on the Fox News website now.

At least it was in the "mainstream" news for a moment.



This is online. The website is crosswalk.com. (The intersection of Faith and Life.) That makes it look like the Christian "right" have lost their collective mind....


Leading Conservatives Denounce Bush on 'North American Union'


Ottawa, Ontario (CNSNews.com) - President Bush is meeting with other world leaders in Canada this week to establish, in part, a "New World Order" that subverts national sovereignty, according to some leading American conservatives who have taken a hard stance against the president over the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP).

President Bush is meeting in Quebec Monday and Tuesday with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon to discuss the SPP, which the U.S. government's Web site describes as a cooperative effort among Canada, the United States, and Mexico to "increase security and enhance prosperity ... through greater cooperation and information sharing."

Yet Howard Phillips, chairman of the Conservative Caucus, said at a news conference in Ottawa Monday that Bush is trying to develop a "New World Order" of centralized world government controlled by super-national bureaucracies. Phillips said some of the bureaucracies already exist, including the International Monetary Fund, World Bank and United Nations.

"George Bush and his daddy [former President George H. W. Bush] have both used the term 'New World Order.' It was used by Woodrow Wilson. It was used by Adolf Hitler. It was used by a number of people, and the New World Order relates to the desire of many people in the world to submerge national sovereignties to international institution."

Other conservatives who joined Phillips at the news conference included author and columnist Jerome Corsi; John McManus, president of the John Birch Society; Tom DeWeese, president of the American Policy Center; and Bob Park, founder of Veterans for Secure Borders.

The SPP meetings (the fourth since 2005) have afforded little access to the media and no access to the general public except for leaders of some large corporations taking part in the concurrent North American Competitiveness Council. The secrecy has led activists on both sides of the political aisle to develop ideas about what might be happening behind closed doors.

Responding to protests stated in Ottawa Sunday by leftist, anti-government, anti-corporate activists, Phillips acknowledged a difference of approach. But, he said, "if we're all firing in the same direction, let's work together."

Conservative author Jerome Corsi criticized supporters of the SPP for labeling opponents "conspiracy theorists."

"We're the Internet black helicopter conspiracy theorists?" asked Corsi. "What's going on over in Montebello behind closed doors? Is that not the real conspiracy?"

"Only to call us names does not answer the arguments we're making," he said. "We're called names because those supporting the Security and Prosperity Partnership wish to keep their secret agenda being advanced in secret, and we've ruined the party by exposing it."

Most recently, U.S. Ambassador to Canada David Wilkins called the opposition to the SPP "conspiracy theories." In an editorial in the Ottawa Citizen Monday, Wilkins said that "while conspiracy theories abound, you can take it to the bank that no one involved in these discussions is interested in, or has ever proposed, a 'North American Union,' a 'North American super highway' or a 'North American currency.'"

Wilkins further wrote that "security with prosperity remains the defining vision of the leaders' meeting" and that "each [nation] will continue to protect its own interests, but it makes sense, as friends and neighbors, to sit down together and see what we might accomplish better together."

Phillips responded by noting that Wilkins was appointed by Bush and represents an administration that "does not have a reputation for straight talking or accuracy ... ." And it_s high time for the SPP organizers to "tear down the wall of silence and let the people see what you are scheming to do," he said.

[Alpha]

FOR MONTHS WE'VE ALL HEARD STORIES ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE UNITED STATES, CANADA AND MEXICO WOULD BE "MERGED" INTO A NEW SOVEREIGN ENTITY CALLED THE "NORTH AMERICAN UNION" . . . . .

From: halturnershow.com

GOVERNMENTS DENIED IT PUBLICLY AND OTHERS CALLED US "CONSPIRACY NUTS."

WE FINALLY HAVE PROOF: THEY ARE COINING MONEY IN THE NAME OF THIS NEW ENTITY!!!!

"The Hal Turner Show" has received images of the new unit of currency they are planning. It is called "the Amero" which will replace the "Dollar" and the "peso" in all three countries once they are merged out of existence!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/20AmeroCoin.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/100AmeroCoin.jpg

They are even coining "Ameros" in Collectable precious metals like Silver as the "Proof" coin shown below!!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/PureSilver100AmeroCoin.jpg

More details are pending. One thing is absolutely clear: The governments of the USA, Canada & Mexico are engaged in a conspiracy to merge the three countries without the knowledge or consent of "The People."

In furtherance of this conspiracy, the government of the United States is intentionally spending the nation into absolute, unrecoverable Bankruptcy with the intention that the monetary system collapses.

When the U.S. currency collpases, it will take with it, both the Canadian dollar and Mexican Peso because both countries are so heavily invested in the U.S. dollar through trade with the US.

During such a collapse, when hundreds of millions of average citizens face absolute destitution because their currencies have been wiped out, these Conspirators will turn to 'The People" of each nation and say "your only hope is to merge all three countries and make a new start."

The thinking is that the populations will rush to embrace the merger and forget all about our individual history, rights and systems. In one fell swoop, the Conspirators will clobber us into absolute despotism and we will be helpless to do anything because our money will have become worthless!

While you're gasping for air at this, did you happen to notice the DATES on these coins? 2007

Gee whiz, this plan seems awfully far along. I guess this means the collapse will be this year? Maybe that's why the housing market was allowed to "tank?" Maybe that's why the Stock Markets are dropping hundreds of points per day lately? Maybe this is why oil has increased in price. . . . because the oil nations already know they're going to take a bath on the currency change when they have to exchange "Dollars" they're already holding which will be worth only "pennies" on the "Amero?"

Are you starting to grasp why so many things are going wrong lately? Does a lot of it start to make sense when put in the context of wiping out currencies in the name of globalization? It's the bankers, folks. Another banking scam designed to enrich the few at the utter devastation of the rest!

This is betrayal folks! Betrayal by our highest elected officials! Deliberate, intentional despicable deceit!

This is EVIL treachery on such a massive scale that the only proper response may be to simply KILL everyone involved.

Additional details are starting to come out and more information will be posted as it becomes available!!! Check back often.

Pictures also available at these links
http://halturnershow.com/20AmeroCoin.jpg
http://halturnershow.com/100AmeroCoin.jpg
http://halturnershow.com/PureSilver100AmeroCoin.jpg

[Topper]

Here's another angle; Russia, China, Saudi all have no need to be part of the Euro community ... neither does the United States, Canada or Mexico.

Is this move for global monetary dominance or oil?

I welcome good honest debate, don't attack me for thinking outside
the box.

[Dera]

Here's another angle; Russia, China, Saudi all have no need to be part of the Euro community ... neither does the United States, Canada or Mexico.

Is this move for global monetary dominance or oil?

I welcome good honest debate, don't attack me for thinking outside
the box.

All of the above. It is spelled: P-O-W-E-R

[Boomer]

Kinda looks like a financial fix for our 7-10 trillion dollar debt. It also looks like you can say goodbye to the old USA and it's gonna get crammed down our throats rather than try to payoff the National Debt, maybe the debt is at a level we can's even keep up with it if we tried.

[Alpha]

Kinda looks like a financial fix for our 7-10 trillion dollar debt. It also looks like you can say goodbye to the old USA and it's gonna get crammed down our throats rather than try to payoff the National Debt, maybe the debt is at a level we can's even keep up with it if we tried.

I don't know if it's a fix Boomer or the way 'The Larger Plan" (NWO?Globlaization) was orchestrated. ;)

See the below:

Still Don't Believe The NAU
Super Highway Is Coming?
Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway
By Jerome R. Corsi
8-15-7 Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn. http://www.rense.com/general77/nafta_map.jpg

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman's Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation's most modern highway straight into the heart of America.

The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new "SENTRI" system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush.

The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming "North American Union (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965)" that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the construction of the planned international corridor through the center of the country.

NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition In (http://www.nascocorridor.com/)c., is a "non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world's first international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation system along the International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America." Where does that sentence say anything about the USA?

Still, NASCO has received $2.5 million in earmarks from the U.S. Department of Transportation to plan the NAFTA Super Highway as a 10-lane limited-access road (five lanes in each direction) plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas. One glance at the map of the NAFTA Super Highway on the front page of the NASCO website will make clear that the design is to connect Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. into one transportation system.

Kansas City SmartPort Inc (http://www.kcsmartport.com/). is an "investor based organization supported by the public and private sector" to create the key hub on the NAFTA Super Highway. At the Kansas City SmartPort, the containers from the Far East can be transferred to trucks going east and west, dramatically reducing the ground transportation time dropping the containers off in Los Angeles or Long Beach involves for most of the country.

A brochure (http://www.kcsmartport.com/pdf/SmtPrtOneRoute.pdf) on the SmartPort website describes the plan in glowing terms: "For those who live in Kansas City, the idea of receiving containers nonstop from the Far East by way of Mexico may sound unlikely, but later this month that seemingly far-fetched notion will become a reality."

The U.S. government has housed within the Department of Commerce (DOC) an "SPP office" that is dedicated to organizing the many working groups laboring within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada to create the regulatory reality for the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

The SPP (http://www.spp.gov/) agreement was signed by Bush, President Vicente Fox, and then-Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Tex., on March 23, 2005. According to the DOC website, a U.S.-Mexico Joint Working Committee on Transportation Planning has finalized (http://www.spp.gov/report_to_leaders/index.asp?dName=report_to_leaders) a plan such that "(m)ethods for detecting bottlenecks on the U.S.-Mexico border will be developed and low cost/high impact projects identified in bottleneck studies will be constructed or implemented." The report notes that new SENTRI travel lanes on the Mexican border will be constructed this year. The border at Laredo should be reduced to an electronic speed bump for the Mexican trucks containing goods from the Far East to enter the U.S. on their way to the Kansas City SmartPort.

The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is overseeing (http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/about/) the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) as the first leg of the NAFTA Super Highway. A 4,000-page environmental (http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/projects/ttc35/deis.aspx) impact statement has already been completed and public hearings (http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/publications/files/NR%20announce%20pub%20hearing%20list.pdf) are scheduled for five weeks, beginning next month, in July 2006.

The billions involved will be provided by a foreign company, Cintra Concessions de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A. of Spain. As a consequence, the TTC will be privately operated, leased to the Cintra (http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/publications/files/NR%20announce%20pub%20hearing%20list.pdf) consortium to be operated as a toll-road.

The details of the NAFTA Super Highway are hidden in plan view. Still, Bush has not given speeches to bring the NAFTA Super Highway plans to the full attention of the American public. Missing in the move toward creating a North American Union is the robust public debate that preceded the decision to form the European Union. All this may be for calculated political reasons on the part of the Bush Administration.

A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks. ------------------------------------------
NBCSanDiego.com


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Images: Border Shutdown (Aug. 31, 2007) (http://nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/14021482/detail.html)
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Images: Border Patrol Uniforms Get New Look (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/13911014/detail.html)
Images: Protest Closes Border Crossing (June 2007) (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/13455015/detail.html)
Images: Rookie Border Agents Seize SUVs Loaded With Pot (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/14007876/detail.html)
Images: Smuggled Birds Returned To Nature (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/13951599/detail.html)



Union: Mexican Trucks Begin Crossing Border Saturday

Union Asks Court To Block Mexican Trucks

POSTED: 9:32 am PDT August 29, 2007
UPDATED: 11:33 am PDT August 30, 2007


WASHINGTON -- The Teamsters Union said it has been told by officials in the Transportation Department's Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration that the first Mexican trucks will be coming across the border on Saturday.
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The union said Wednesday it would ask a federal appeals courts to block the Bush administration's plan to begin allowing Mexican trucks to carry cargo anywhere in the United States.

Teamsters leaders said they planned to seek an emergency injunction Wednesday from the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
Prior Immigration Protests In San Diego County:
Protest Closes Border Crossing (June 2007) (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/13454721/detail.html)
Immigration Protest Turns Unruly (May 2006) (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9145429/detail.html)
Hundreds Protest New Immigration Legislation (March 2006) (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/8295005/detail.html)
"What a slap in the face to American workers, opening the highways to dangerous trucks on Labor Day weekend, one of the busiest driving weekends of the year," said Teamsters President Jim Hoffa.

Joining the Teamsters in seeking the emergency stay were the Sierra Club and Public Citizen.

"Before providing unconditional access throughout the country to tens of thousands of big rigs we know little to nothing about, we must insure they meet safety and environmental standards," Sierra Club executive director Carl Pope said.The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, in a statement, said it was working closely with the department's inspector general "as his office completes an additional assessment of the program and we prepare a detailed response to that report.

"The Bush administration said last week it would start the cross-border program once the Transportation Department's inspector general certifies safety and inspection plans.

Leslie Miller, a Teamsters spokeswoman, said attorneys for the federal truck safety agency advised the union's lawyers that they expect to get that certification on Friday. She said the Teamsters also were told by the agency attorneys that limited authority for trucks to begin crossing the border will be approved Saturday.

Supporters of the plan say letting more Mexican trucks on U.S. highways will save American consumers hundreds of millions of dollars.Labor and driver-owner groups have been fighting the measure -- part of the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement -- since it was first proposed, saying the program will erode highway safety and eliminate U.S. jobs.

A one-year demonstration project would allow 100 Mexican motor carriers full access to U.S. roads. It can begin as soon as the inspector general certifies that safety and inspection plans and facilities are sufficient to ensure the Mexican trucks are as safe as U.S. trucks.Since 1982, Mexican trucks have had to stop within a buffer border zone and transfer their loads to U.S.

trucks.According to the CHP, 18 percent of Mexican carriers were sidelined in 2006. That figure stands in contrast with the 19 percent of American companies.Previous Stories:


August 18, 2007: U.S. Roads May Open To Mexican Truckers (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13922678/detail.html)
August 17, 2007: Plan To Open Borders To Mexican Trucks Moving Forward (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/13920784/detail.html)
April 23, 2007: Mexican Trucks May Be Driving Across U.S. Soon (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/12944339/detail.html)

[Divinorumus]

The governments of the USA, Canada & Mexico are engaged in a conspiracy to merge the three countries without the knowledge or consent of "The People." They have my consent. We're gonna need all that cheap south of the border labor here in the USA if we ever hope to compete economically with China within the world economic markets, and if we are ever going to pay back this huge national debt we owe China too. We can't keep hiring Americans in this country and ever hope to survive, nobody around the world is going to want to buy $1,500 made in America by real Americans iPods!

[Delphine]

Alpha,
Since your posting of the coin images above, a coin arrived from the Treasury "connection" and images are posted on (scroll toward bottom of page):

http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

I can't seem to post the images correctly here. One has a "D" in the lower right "corner", indicating that it was minted in Denver.

[Divinorumus]

Pretty cool. So, how should one play out this change? Would it be best to convert all your US dollars to pesos before the switch, or buy as much land with your greenbacks first and then sell it for Ameros after the merger? I'll have to put some careful thought into this to maximize any benefit from all this. Regardless, this is a good idea and will bring the price of American and Canadian beer inline with Mexican beer. Wow, imagine, you'll be able to pickup a six pack of Bud for just over the equivalent of a buck after all is said and done. Cool. Neat idea. And GWB came up with this idea? Go figure. The guy is a genius. ;)

[lastconundrum]

Take a look at your coins; the surfaces are smooth and reflective. This is because the coins are stamped from blanks in a press with highly polished dies. The images Turner shows are like that BUT the "real" coin is has rough surfaces because it is cast, not stamped. IMO fake.


Pretty cool. So, how should one play out this change? Would it be best to convert all your US dollars to pesos before the switch, or buy as much land with your greenbacks first and then sell it for Ameros after the merger? I'll have to put some careful thought into this to maximize any benefit from all this. Regardless, this is a good idea and will bring the price of American and Canadian beer inline with Mexican beer. Wow, imagine, you'll be able to pickup a six pack of Bud for just over the equivalent of a buck after all is said and done. Cool. Neat idea. And GWB came up with this idea? Go figure. The guy is a genius. ;)

Old survivalist motto, "To prepare for bad times, buy guns, gold and grub". Any beer available after the NWO takeover will probably be imported from China. :sour:

[Hadriana]

buy soap too - in survival times, it becomes a very precious thing.

[Alpha]

They have my consent. We're gonna need all that cheap south of the border labor here in the USA if we ever hope to compete economically with China within the world economic markets, and if we are ever going to pay back this huge national debt we owe China too. We can't keep hiring Americans in this country and ever hope to survive, nobody around the world is going to want to buy $1,500 made in America by real Americans iPods!

I guess my response to you is why did we ever need to compete economically with China, why did the US ever put themselves to be held hostage to the Chinese economically?!?!?!.....poor planning or part of a larger plan?

We don't seem to give a rat's ass that media darlings are paid millions for a single episode of network TV, nor do we squawk when some idiot steriod gets several million $$/year, or when we borrow $$ that no-one can prove really exists, yet expect a vast amount of the population to live on WalMart wages, yet support all the service industries in NA, nevermind try to survive with decent housing, sustinence etc.

Why did the unions extort manufacturing out of this continent? Why did we give up our power and economic independence to the third world? Why were we not willing to do some of the jobs that it seems other of the worlds population seem more than willing to do for a bit less?

The PTB are still making their profits and more than handsomely.

And now not only we here in NA but those globally need to give up their heritage and nationality as well?!?!?!?:rocketwho:rocketwho

[Mcnowhere]

We don't seem to give a rat's ass that media darlings are paid millions for a single episode of network TV, nor do we squawk when some idiot steriod gets several million $$/year, or when we borrow $$ that no-one can prove really exists, yet expect a vast amount of the population to live on WalMart wages, yet support all the service industries in NA, nevermind try to survive with decent housing, sustinence etc

Why did the unions extort manufacturing out of this continent?
The Unions were a valuable contribution to the economically rich times we had through the turn of the century to the 80's. This past "voice of the people" certainly helped to maintain a decent standard of living overall. The Unions were eroded because of pure greed and the need for power over the populace. Could we ever expect that corporations would just hand out decent wages without a collective body of working people to demand it? Or that the Government would arbitrarily enforce fair wages and working conditions? No, because of the strong marriage between corporations and government. During the years that Unions had some semblance of power, the west was rich and economically sound. The successful war on Unions, along with outsourcing of manufacturing, as well as lax immigration policies, has created the shrinking of the middle class. These sinister strategies created and implemented by the PTB, are working to perfection.

[Alpha]

The Unions were a valuable contribution to the economically rich times we had through the turn of the century to the 80's. This past "voice of the people" certainly helped to maintain a decent standard of living overall. The Unions were eroded because of pure greed and the need for power over the populace. Could we ever expect that corporations would just hand out decent wages without a collective body of working people to demand it? Or that the Government would arbitrarily enforce fair wages and working conditions? No, because of the strong marriage between corporations and government. During the years that Unions had some semblance of power, the west was rich and economically sound. The successful war on Unions, along with outsourcing of manufacturing, as well as lax immigration policies, has created the shrinking of the middle class. These sinister strategies created and implemented by the PTB, are working to perfection.

McNo, I have no issue with the contribution and the value of trade unions post the exploitation of adults and children at the beginning of the "Industrial Revolution".

They were needed and valuable as they provided people with much needed human rights, the ability to be protected from exploitation and to be paid a fair wage, to have safe working conditions etc. etc., etc.

Somewhere from it's inception, it went way out of control IMHO.

I have worked as a unionized worker, as a union rep and also from the other side as a manager with HR and Industrial relations...and in between.

To a large degree many unions priced NA out of the global market place, paying unskilled workers $25-35 +, providing the inability for anyone who worked hard to succeed if they didn't have seniority and giving a "get out of jail free" card to those who had a lot.

Sadly, IMHO it became a pseudo super bowl between the unions and the corporations, where both became rich at the expense of the average human employee.

Also sadly, due to global inequity, we now have human sweat shops in other parts of the world, with no unions, just like we had over a century ago with the inception of the industrial revolution here and in Europe....where people are so desperate to eat that they will work crazy hours, be enslaved by their employers just to provide them and theirs the basic necessities of life...if that.

As long as these disparaging inequities exist, this is not the first or the last time we will see this in our life time or beyond.

The global rich don't really care what part of the world gets screwed or which humans do, as long as they keep taking it to the bank...seems they always have and continue to do so....:angryfire


These sinister strategies created and implemented by the PTB, are working to perfection.

Very well said!!!...I couldn't have said it better :notworthy :notworthy

[Mcnowhere]

Also sadly, due to global inequity, we now have human sweat shops in other parts of the world, with no unions, just like we had over a century ago with the inception of the industrial revolution here and in Europe....where people are so desperate to eat that they will work crazy hours, be enslaved by their employers just to provide them and theirs the basic necessities of life...if that.


I too worked as a union job steward in the logging industry and participated in many hours of negotiations between the corps and the union. I was appointed to represent the Union in negotiations with the Provincial Government concerning working conditions for a few thousand log scalers. I also assisted in evaluating grievances and tossed some out as they were not worth the paper they were written on. I am well aware of the imperfections of Unions. But IMO, they are a necessary evil. At this point in time, it's all we have!

Do we want to see sweatshops and desperate people in the west? This is what they are working us towards. What is the answer in stopping it from happening here? The middle class is the 'elephant backbone' of society. If we break the elephant's back, what could this lead us to? Anarchy?

[Divinorumus]

I guess my response to you is why did we ever need to compete economically with China, why did the US ever put themselves to be held hostage to the Chinese economically?!?!?!.....poor planning or part of a larger plan?
Well, a few things led to this situation.

The first was "US" wanting cheaper junk to fill our homes with. If you were to go out and buy a new computer, would you choose the $1,000 model manufactured and imported from some asian nation, or the equivalent $5,000 model built by IBM using only domestic components and home grown citizen labor?

And, if you couldn't afford the $5,000 model, would you be a good patriot and go home empty handed until someday you could save enough and afford it? Or would you borrow money to buy something you didn't really need today, thus further reducing your future spending power? And, in order to afford that $5,000 domestic computer, would you have your union go on strike until your wages are increased even more, thus further pushing up the cost of domestic production and our own products?

And of course another cause of this import and trade imbalance is "OUR" unrealistic wage and compensation expectations. It is our domestic labor force and their unions which have priced our own products out of all world markets, and also out of our own homeland markets.

Fact of the matter is we've become spoiled in this country, by expecting high wages and cheaper products to spend it on (and most of the junk we buy we don't even need). And, we have "employees/laborers" in this country that seem to think they are entitled to live a lifestyle which only an "employer/entrepreneur" should be able to afford.

And easy credit is also to blame. The only kind of personal or business credit that should be available in this country should be for revenue generating purposes, such as for a home (which appreciates in value), and maybe automobiles (which get you to work), and factory equipment, etc. Only a fool would buy unnecessary stuff on credit, such as iPods and home entertainment centers and computers and fancy cloths and home furnishings. You're selling out your future when you buy depreciating needless crap on credit, and especially imported crap.


We don't seem to give a rat's ass that media darlings are paid millions for a single episode of network TV, nor do we squawk when some idiot steriod gets several million $$/year, or when we borrow $$ that no-one can prove really exists, yet expect a vast amount of the population to live on WalMart wages, yet support all the service industries in NA, nevermind try to survive with decent housing, sustinence etc.
Don't get me started on Hoolywood , ha. What a bunch of vain degenerates. And as for Wal-Mart employees, those jobs "shouldn't" pay a living wage ~ they are brainless part-time and children jobs. When I was a kid, moms worked as store clerks when the kids were in school, and after school the teens worked those jobs when the moms went home to prepare supper. Nobody should be able to support themselves and a household by putting boxes on shelves and pushing cash register buttons ~ that's a job for teens to pay for their first car or how moms earned some personal pocket change for themselves outside of the household budgets.

To support a household, you must have a trade or professional income. Hell, if we could support ourselves by only sweeping floors, we'd all just be floor sweepers.


Why did the unions extort manufacturing out of this continent? Why did we give up our power and economic independence to the third world? Why were we not willing to do some of the jobs that it seems other of the worlds population seem more than willing to do for a bit less?
Blame that on our own greed, blame that on a stock clerk iPod boy who couldn't afford not only a domestic iPod, but neither an imported iPod, so he used some of this nations limited credit to buy one from a Chinese worker who's laughing all the way to the bank because they realize one day they will own this country and iPod boys ass too.


rocketwho:rocketwho Rocketfeller? Hey, if iPod boy is willing to drop his fiscal shorts and bend over and grab his ankles just for a cheap affordable good time today, I'll have no pity for him tomorrow. When I see someone loose their home and notice them carrying out a large screen entertainment center and a pool table and fancy furnishings, I'm laughing my ass off!

[Mcnowhere]

And as for Wal-Mart employees, those jobs "shouldn't" pay a living wage ~ they are brainless part-time and children jobs. When I was a kid, moms worked as store clerks when the kids were in school, and after school the teens worked those jobs when the moms went home to prepare supper. Nobody should be able to support themselves and a household by putting boxes on shelves and pushing cash register buttons ~ that's a job for teens to pay for their first car or how moms earned some personal pocket change for themselves outside of the household budgets.

I am one of those members of society that believes that if a segment of our fellow citizens lack the intellectual capacity or financial means to acquire skills that would garner them higher wages, they should not be forced to live in misery, poverty and suffer less than humane working conditions. Somebody has to do it Div. And if you and I choose not to, then there should be a value to society for those that will. All workers need to be recognized for their own individual value to production by ensuring that basic human rights exist for all. Or...we end up with sweatshops and starving babies.

To support a household, you must have a trade or professional income. Hell, if we could support ourselves by only sweeping floors, we'd all just be floor sweepers.

No Div, I for one would not be sweeping floors. I have worked in the manufacturing industry making good wages and it wasn't enough of a challenge for me, personally.

[Divinorumus]

Could we ever expect that corporations would just hand out decent wages without a collective body of working people to demand it? Or that the Government would arbitrarily enforce fair wages and working conditions? Ah hell, you don't need no stinking union, not unless you're a crappy worker.

Back in the early 80's I got a union job with an airlines and I immediately despised the union. Sure, they were able to get the horrible employees a higher wage than I would have thought they were worth, but that same union was keeping the better workers down and were limiting what they were worth. I knew I was worth more than the highest paid union worker with 15 years in that department, so 18 months later I moved into management and them same union employees that had been working there for many years were now working for me. Screw unions ~ they only serve the best interests of the inferior workers while keeping the superiors workers down.

Not every employee is gong to be an equal worker, and unions only serve to keep them all paid the same, which sucks. Everyone should be paid what "they" are actually worth and can negotiate for themselves! Bottom feeder crappy workers are the only ones that thrive under unions at the expense of everyone else.

[Divinorumus]

I am one of those members of society that believes that if a segment of our fellow citizens lack the intellectual capacity or financial means to acquire skills that would garner them higher wages, they should not be forced to live in misery, poverty and suffer less than humane working conditions. Somebody has to do it Div. .I reiterate: Not every employee is gong to be an equal worker, and everyone should be paid what "they" are actually worth and can negotiate for themselves! If you do not think this is fair and just, then YOU split your earned apple pie with the lazy and inferior workers.

If your only ambitions in life is to put boxes on shelves or sweep floors until your 80 years old, that's your choice, and mistake, and nothing I'm willing to pay for. An adult working a kids or college students job shouldn't receive an encouraging wage! To turn these bottom level jobs into a living wage job will only turn more people into bottom feeders. Insufficient compensation should always remain a motivating reason to force us to strive for more.

[Hadriana]

There's a lot of people trapped in low paying jobs. I believe a lot of this has to do with our reliance on an expensive higher education system, and some absurd notion that one can measure competency via degrees. THis is sad, as a lot of people are educated beyond their level of competency, and a lot of competent people never had the chance , money, or patience to get a degree.

There are people in the US trained and able to do tech jobs...but those jobs went overseas because there is no minimum wage laws there, no unemployment insurances, taxes, ect.

We are not on an equal playing field. Americans are not imcompetent or lazy. I get tired of hearing that. That's crazy. Don't listen to that.

Most new inventions and innovations are STILL coming out of the US. (Although in a lot of cases, they don't receive support or funding here, so it seems like they come out of Japan, which they don't. IE Fuzzy logic.)

I myself don't value money enough I guess. I really don't even like it. Even talking about money seems to make a lot of people judgemental and sometimes even hateful.

and WTF is any human WORTH? What amount of money?

[Mcnowhere]

I myself don't value money enough I guess. I really don't even like it. Even talking about money seems to make a lot of people judgemental and sometimes even hateful.
Guess I don't either Hadriana as I gave up a career that I disliked. It paid a lot more money than I make now. But I am content in my job. To be able to get up in the morning and not dread going to work is worth it's weight in gold!

[Divinorumus]

There's a lot of people trapped in low paying jobs. I believe a lot of this has to do with our reliance on an expensive higher education system, and some absurd notion that one can measure competency via degrees. THis is sad, as a lot of people are educated beyond their level of competency, and a lot of competent people never had the chance , money, or patience to get a degree.
Trapped in a low paying job? How many job applications are they sending out each day, in an attempt to move on up? When I got out of the military back in the beginning of 1980, we were in a recession, and I had to take a night shift janitorial job for about 6 months just to eat while living in a week-to-week motel while submitting applications all over the place looking for a data network tech or computer programming job. Eventually I got a network tech job with an airlines, and then even then I didn't stop looking for something more and better, eventually proving myself to be a more competent computer programmer than your typical computer science degreed college grad. And, I did that all on my own, having taught myself computer programming. Trapped? Nobody is trapped unless they want to merely believe that they are a prisoner of their own lack of ambition. And, once I got into that programming field, I actually fired degreed grads that were so incompetent they were not even worth the paper their (paid for) degree was printed on. Sad, huh?

I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. If all anyone can come up with is excuses instead of solutions to their predicament, then I don't even want to hear about them and their situation. This is America, and if you can't get what you want out of life HERE, then the issue certainly ain't for a lack of opportunity!


There are people in the US trained and able to do tech jobs...but those jobs went overseas because there is no minimum wage laws there, no unemployment insurances, taxes, ect. The issue is a little more complicated than just that. Anyhow, not every tech job can leave, only those simple minimal paid ones where some warm body is merely reading solutions to some consumer over the phone out of a book. Having someone who only knows how to read "have you tried to reboot your system yet?" does not make them a tech, which is what most of them lost so-called tech jobs were. You still need network technicians here to design, install, configure, and support hardware located within our borders. And, maybe there are just too many techs than there are real tech jobs for. And maybe some aren't really technicians at all, they just think they are because a piece of paid for paper says they are. I've met so-called techs that didn't even know what an oscilloscope was. Go figure!


We are not on an equal playing field. Americans are not imcompetent or lazy. I get tired of hearing that. That's crazy. Don't listen to that. Yeah, we're definitely not on an equal playing field, but that's where a One World Order fixes all of that. Once we have our OWO, all governments can disappear, leaving behind only a police/peace force, and then the rest is up to us individually and our own merit and worth.

Oh, and contrary to what you said, there ARE too many lazy Americans these days. Just scan the welfare rank and file. Just look at an American early 20 year old baggy pants hip-hopper iPod boy that would rather sit around selling crack than take a hard working farming job away from an illegal immigrant farm worker!


I myself don't value money enough I guess. I really don't even like it. Even talking about money seems to make a lot of people judgemental and sometimes even hateful. I don't care much for the stuff either, but I know it's easy to come by if you're willing to do what's necessary to get some. Personally, I prefer contentment and a simple life now. The minimal basics and a couple of toys (a computer and my photography gear) is enough for me, while my investment assets do all the actual work to feed and cloth me now, ha.


and WTF is any human WORTH? What amount of money?
Good question, we'll have to ask the hungry reptilians when they eventually return for the harvest! ;)

Anyhow, I already can see what is ahead for us all, and all I can say is this socialist mentality is certainly on the way out. The era of burdens and a free lunch and ride upon the backs of others is soon to be no more. The era of the OWO is upon us! You either learn to swim or else ...

[Hadriana]

It is not true that only the simpliest tech jobs are able to be done overseas. There's been lots of security jobs moved - firewall administrators, technical writers, network monitors, web design, graphics and animation design.... software engineering...to name a few.

[Divinorumus]

It is not true that only the simpliest tech jobs are able to be done overseas. There's been lots of security jobs moved - firewall administrators, technical writers, network monitors, web design, graphics and animation design.... software engineering...to name a few.
Well yeah, yet still, anyone who is worth their asking price can still command a descent job here still.

Anyhow, you can see the necessity of a One World Order now, can't you? For the sake of eliminating this huge trade imbalance AND reducing our glutinous Earth destroying lifestyles AND elimination of living on credit AND for the sake of global equality and fairness, a rather drastic change and rude awakening is just around the corner for us all.

I doubt very much we'll make it to Santa's birthday before the stock markets crash, the banks close, and all but those employed in necessary industries and services are S.O.L. ~ like so many of our south of the border neighbors. If it doesn't happen before then, then certainly just after the new year begins. These domestic techies would do well to learn about farming now! And baggy pants iPod boys might want to trade their iTunes in for some suspenders and farming boots now while they have the chance. I have a feeling the only thing China may want to buy from us with all that debt we owe them is food (or all of our lands and homes if we want to sell them that instead).

Once the markets crash, our old funny money will be no good around the world, and a gallon of gas will cost $12 or more (when even available), and the days of the highlife living on credit will be long gone. And, those who owe anything on their plastic cards will become slaves until they pay back what they owe. Seriously, if you have any unsecured debt, pay that off now, before the markets crash and the OWO enslaves you for what you owe the rest of the world for all that crap Americans bought from around the world on credit.

[lastconundrum]

Well yeah, yet still, anyone who is worth their asking price can still command a descent job here still.

In 1980 the government took 16% of my income in taxes. Now it's about 50%. That "decent job" doesn't give the skilled worker (or a busness owner) the same lifestyle or the chance to save for the future.


Anyhow, you can see the necessity of a One World Order now, can't you? For the sake of eliminating this huge trade imbalance AND reducing our glutinous Earth destroying lifestyles AND elimination of living on credit AND for the sake of global equality and fairness, a rather drastic change and rude awakening is just around the corner for us all.

Why should the oligarchs of the NWO do any of that? They lust for power, and more power means the ability to do more than they can now. Once they have their power they can continue the wasteful, planet-raping lifestyle they enjoy without concerned citizens (like you) having any say in what they do.


I doubt very much we'll make it to Santa's birthday before the stock markets crash, the banks close, and all but those employed in necessary industries and services are S.O.L. ~ like so many of our south of the border neighbors. If it doesn't happen before then, then certainly just after the new year begins. These domestic techies would do well to learn about farming now! And baggy pants iPod boys might want to trade their iTunes in for some suspenders and farming boots now while they have the chance. I have a feeling the only thing China may want to buy from us with all that debt we owe them is food (or all of our lands and homes if we want to sell them that instead).

Once the markets crash, our old funny money will be no good around the world, and a gallon of gas will cost $12 or more (when even available), and the days of the highlife living on credit will be long gone. And, those who owe anything on their plastic cards will become slaves until they pay back what they owe. Seriously, if you have any unsecured debt, pay that off now, before the markets crash and the OWO enslaves you for what you owe the rest of the world for all that crap Americans bought from around the world on credit.

Good advice about paying off debt. IMO the aim of the NWO isn't to bankrupt the US, it's to destroy the form of government established by our constitution; once that's done they expect they can treat us as serfs in their NWO plantation. Farm boots are not what you want to wear when you retire. :yuck:

[Hadriana]

Well this is the way I see it - they want to raise the standard of living in the 3rd world -so they can harness all that buying power that is UNTAPPED - in other words, they want the average income of the global citizen to go up.

The problem with 'averages' is that when you are at the TOP of the range, you don't get "brought up" - you get "taken down"

[lastconundrum]

Hadriana, I think you're being much too optimistic. If there is an economic collapse in the US the economies of the rest of the world will also be destroyed. IMO the NWO oligarchs don't care about raising the standard of living in the 3rd world; they've been working to concentrate economic and political power in their own hands for decades and they see the US, with it's traditions of freedom and social mobility, as their biggest problem.

[Hadriana]

Maybe I am being too optimistic - if I am, that's very sad - because I do not think that the US average citizen is going to be enjoying freedom or prosperity anytime in the near future.

Everything seems terribly dismal to me - and we're ok. I can only imagine what the very poor and desperate must already be feeling.

[Divinorumus]

If there is an economic collapse in the US the economies of the rest of the world will also be destroyed. IMO the NWO oligarchs don't care about raising the standard of living in the 3rd world; they've been working to concentrate economic and political power in their own hands for decades and they see the US, with it's traditions of freedom and social mobility, as their biggest problem.
Well, certainly those in many 3rd world nations could do with a little boost in their living standards, but it's the glutinous 1st world elitist nations that need to be taken down a few notches or more, or we're all doomed. We may look and point to China and proclaim they are the worst polluters of planet Earth, but it is our demand for all that needless junk they are making for us which is the cause of all that pollution and our global ecological crisis, in addition to our economic crisis. A One World Order will fix so many problems and level the playing field, but no so much by raising everyone else's standard of living, but by lowering ours. With an ever increasing Earth population there are only two choices: kill off half the humans, or cut our consumption in half. Personally, I'd like to have more elbow room around here, but I suspect that won't be everyone else's first choice, so ~ ~ ~ Since nobody will willingly give up their elitist (relative to much of the rest of the world) lifestyles here in the USA, there is no other choice but to crash the economy to make this happen. Best one can do now is be ready for it. Pay of any debt now, because after the cutbacks, it will seem like any debt you have now will have doubled overnight and take you twice as long to payoff. Destroy all your plastic enslavement credit cards, for they are evil!

[VOguy]

You can tell a lot about a country and it's laws, as well as how they enforce the laws it has in place for the protection of it's citizens.

Imagine a country with laws like this.



1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.

2. Foreigners will not have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.

3. Foreigners will never be able to hold political office.

4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers: No welfare; no food stamps; no health care; nor any other government assistance programs.

5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay. but options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations; no waving a foreign flag; no political organizing; no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Harsh laws? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of Mexico.

One has to question the sanity, as well as the wisdom of our government leaders in these times. I think we are in store for rough times, because once you let the genie out of the bottle, you pay with your blood to get him back in.

[Mcnowhere]

As with some laws in our own countries, there are loopholes. ;)

Owning waterfront property in Mexico. Snippet
http://www.bacalarviews.com/legalities.html

In 1917, the Mexican Constitution was drafted and passed into law. In the Mexican Constitution, there was a provision that created what is called the restricted Zone. The Zone is 100km (62miles) from the borders and 50 (31miles) from the coasts. In this Restricted Zone, only Mexicans could own land. This was done for their own protection, and at the time, it made sense.

However, in file 70´s they realized that there was a lot more money outside of Mexico than inside. So, in 1970, a Bill was passed into law, which created a legal loophole. This Bill stated that the trust, called a ¨FIDEICOMISO¨ could be set up, with the foreigner as the sole and exclusive beneficiary. Since a Mexican bank holds the title and must administrate this trust, it satisfies the requirements to purchase land in the restricted zone. The beneficiary (foreigner) could control the land by retaining it, improving it, selling it, etc.). Cancun is 32 years old. Because of the 1970 Bill, major foreigner investment flowed into Mexico and we saw not only Cancun, but also Cozumel, Acapulco, Puerto Vallarta, Ixtapa, etc. take off.

[Dera]

Well, certainly those in many 3rd world nations could do with a little boost in their living standards, but it's the glutinous 1st world elitist nations that need to be taken down a few notches or more, or we're all doomed. We may look and point to China and proclaim they are the worst polluters of planet Earth, but it is our demand for all that needless junk they are making for us which is the cause of all that pollution and our global ecological crisis, in addition to our economic crisis. A One World Order will fix so many problems and level the playing field, but no so much by raising everyone else's standard of living, but by lowering ours. With an ever increasing Earth population there are only two choices: kill off half the humans, or cut our consumption in half. Personally, I'd like to have more elbow room around here, but I suspect that won't be everyone else's first choice, so ~ ~ ~ Since nobody will willingly give up their elitist (relative to much of the rest of the world) lifestyles here in the USA, there is no other choice but to crash the economy to make this happen. Bestone can do now is be ready for it. Pay of any debt now, because after the cutbacks, it will seem like any debt you have now will have doubled overnight and take you twice as long to payoff. Destroy all your plastic enslavement credit cards, for they are evil!

Guess we are a sticky bunch, huh?

glu·ti·nous (glūt'n-əs) pronunciation
adj.

Of the nature of or resembling glue; sticky.

[Middle English, from Latin glūtinōsus, from glūten, glūtin-, glue.]
glutinously glu'ti·nous·ly adv.
glutinousness glu'ti·nous·ness or glu'ti·nos'i·ty (-ŏs'ĭ-tē) n.



Right. I guess most of us will stick to our present lifestyles, freedom, and liberty and fight to the death to keep what Americans have fought for over these last 200-plus years.

There are still many places on earth where there is lots of "elbow room". Anyone who is interested right now could probably find a way to get there and live "minimally" forever after and be free of all the tacky* trappings of civilization.

*tack·y1 (tăk'ē) pronunciation
adj., -i·er, -i·est.

Slightly adhesive or gummy to the touch; sticky.



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[Divinorumus]

Right. I guess most of us will stick to our present lifestyles, freedom, and liberty and fight to the death to keep what Americans have fought for over these last 200-plus years.
Ah, that's so precious. Cute too! Can I take a picture of that, you? "The last great final act of defiance!" Bless you willing volunteers! We'll miss you all. (NOT! Maybe. We'll see, eh? ha) Good luck! (you'll need it if you think you stand a chance against nature and the natural order of all things) Have you ever wondered why the universe appears so quiet?

[Dera]

Oh, for heaven's sake, Div. Lighten up a little bit. I still love you!

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Are you old enough to remember Doris Day? Que sera, sera!


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[Divinorumus]

Are you old enough to remember Doris Day? Ah, those long ago early days of ignorance and innocence. And then came the indoctrinations. Little did I realize what I was getting mixed up in back then. THEY tricked me back then! How was I to know any better back then what Doris Day was getting us all involved in and what all that was gong to lead to, ha. (note to self: as soon a time travel is invented, go back and eliminate Hoolywood and kidnap Doris. And Dorothy too!) :dance:

[Delphine]

Imagine a country with laws like this.

6. ... You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.


No, No. That's okay. They can buy mine. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/AnnabelleL/C2C/laughing.gif Well, it's not really waterfront, yet. But, I have high hopes!

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[Captain Beyond]

Hi! Neighbors gone for a few days so can access their internet.

I hate to burst a few bubbles, but this country is already toast. See ya in the soup lines or the FEMA camps!:439:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=271533227232616148&q=dumb+americans&total=1050&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCoVaeYHzWA

[Divinorumus]

See ya in the soup lines or the FEMA camps! Not if the carnivorous get to you first. I'm not kidding you, some humans have turned to cannibalism in the past for reasons we can only wonder about. Children, run for your lives when the oil stops and the food machines stop. You youngsters are no match against a hungry cranky gang of grups. Run, hide. :17:

[Dera]

Hi! Neighbors gone for a few days so can access their internet.

I hate to burst a few bubbles, but this country is already toast. See ya in the soup lines or the FEMA camps!:439:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=271533227232616148&q=dumb+americans&total=1050&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCoVaeYHzWA

Well hi, CB! Good that you could come back and help Div cheer us up on this fine holiday weekend! Hope you've been well? :05:

[Divinorumus]

Brains, BRAINS ... delicious brains. Avoid the meat camps ~ refuse to board the so-called relocation boxcars ... err I mean trains.

[Delphine]

The super highway and rail system will transport goods from Mexico and Central America up the long corridor through the US and into Canada.

No longer will Union driivers be needed to transport the goods made in China, Mexico and other areas....

This is the very reason for the so-called amnesty of illegial immigrants.

AND...IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HERE.....


Truckers Protest Mexican Competition


Associated Press
Thu Sep 6, 7:22 PM ET

LAREDO, Texas - Dozens of truckers rallied at Mexican border crossings in California and Texas Thursday to protest a pilot program to allow up to 100 Mexican trucking companies to haul their cargo anywhere in the United States.

Carrying signs reading "NAFTA Kills" and "Unsafe Mexican Trucks," a few dozen protesters circled in the heat for two hours at Laredo's port of entry on the U.S.-Mexico border.

"What do we want? Safe highways. When do we want them? Now!" they chanted.

The U.S. Transportation Department said no Mexican trucks had arrived under the program as of late Thursday afternoon. But 38 Mexican firms were poised for U.S. permits, said Melissa Mazzella DeLaney, a spokeswoman for the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which regulates truck safety.

The Teamsters union, Sierra Club and watchdog group Public Citizen sued to stop the program, arguing there won't be enough oversight of drivers, but a federal appeals court ruled the Bush administration could move ahead.

(How do we fight this legislating from the Bench???)

Government lawyers said the program is a necessary part of the North American Free Trade Agreement and the trucks would meet U.S. regulations.

Near San Diego's Otay Mesa border crossing, dozens of truckers led by the Teamsters mixed with anti-illegal-immigration activists. Business was uninterrupted, said Lt. Hector Paredes of the California Highway Patrol, which inspects about 3,000 trucks a day at the crossing.

"We're already inspecting Mexican trucks and will continue to inspect them the same way," Paredes said. "These trucks already haul product from Tijuana to San Diego. Now they will be able to go beyond San Diego."

Critics such as Teamsters organizer Hugo Flores doubt that Mexican drivers will be held to the same rules, such as the length of work shifts and drug testing.

"There are no means to regulate these guys. Bush has opened up highways to unsafe trucks," Flores said at the Laredo protest. "I don't want them sharing the roads with my family."

NAFTA requires that all roads in the United States, Mexico and Canada be opened to carriers from all three countries. Canadian trucking companies already have full access to U.S. roads, but Mexican trucks can travel only about 20 miles inside the country at certain border crossings.

The one-year pilot program is designed to study whether opening the U.S.-Mexico border to all trucks could be done safely.

The government says it has imposed rigorous safety protocols in the program, including drug and alcohol testing for drivers done by U.S. companies. Additionally, law enforcement officials have stepped up nationwide enforcement of a law requiring interstate truck and bus drivers to have a basic understanding of written and spoken English.

Besides the safety issues, Flores said there are also concerns about job security and pollution from emissions.

"Now they're trying to export all our driving jobs to Mexico," Flores said. "That's one less American job."

At a Petro truck stop near El Paso along Interstate 10, reactions to the program were mixed.

Carlos Moreno, who has been a truck driver for nearly four decades, said he doesn't begrudge anyone trying to make a living. "There's enough for all of us," said Moreno, an El Paso resident. But he is concerned that some of the drivers from Mexico can't read highway signs written in English. "You can always tell in construction zones," he said.

Omar Nunez, a 34-year-old driver from Pecos, said he worries that freight prices will drop as shippers turn to Mexican trucking companies that may offer cheaper services. "As it is, I'm barely making it right now," he said.

Among those most concerned were a group of drivers gathered at the Flying J truck stop in Edinburg, Texas. Much of their business has come from picking up loads that Mexican drivers previously had to leave at the border.

"That's my business," said Gerald Fernow, 36, from Flatonia, Texas. "What am I supposed to do? I'm screwed."

[Dera]

Regarding, http://www.imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?p=167829&highlight=Amero#post167829

Check this out. Especially, read the last paragraph that refers to Daniel Carr.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/amero.asp

[Project]

the amero is a hypothetical idea of what will happen. It is not fictitious, it is prescient. Amero

Brave new world did not try to literally spell out the future, but in generalities, it is exact.

All things staying the same, it will logically happen.

[Delphine]

This is from that Wikipedia link....serves to add to my confusion.

Amero coins in circulation

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/96/100_and_20_amero_coins_amerocurrency_com.JPG/200px-100_and_20_amero_coins_amerocurrency_com.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:100_and_20_amero_coins_amerocurrency_com.JPG ) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:100_and_20_amero_coins_amerocurrency_com.JPG )
100 and 20 Amero coins




In August (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August) 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), rumors and conspiracy theories began circulating across the Internet regarding alleged United States Treasury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Treasury) issued "amero" coins.

On August 31 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_31), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), conspiracy theorist and Internet broadcaster Hal Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner) claimed to have arranged for a United States Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Government) minted "amero" to be smuggled out of the Treasury Department (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasury_Department) by an employee of that organization. To date, no information has come to light substantiating Turner's claims. Overwhelming evidence appears to contradict his story.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero#_note-4)

The items in question are collectible coins or medallions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medallion) manufactured independently by a company called DC (Designs Computed) coins, Denver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver), Colorado (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado).

The designer, Daniel Carr, in fact, also crafted the New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York) and Rhode Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island) state quarters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_quarter) issued by the United States Mint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Mint), circulated in 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001). Carr described the amero coins as "prototypes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype)."[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero#_note-5)

Following Turner's assertions of federal minting of ameros, a web site marketing the curio coins released a statement repudiating Turner's claims of a government cover up regarding DC Coin's amero products.

[VOguy]

Euro enjoys another dollar high
Thursday, 27 September 2007, 13:52 GMT

The euro has climbed to yet another all-time high against the dollar, as dealers anticipated the publication of weak US macroeconomic data.

In early Thursday trading the euro reached $1.4189 , beating the $1.4162 record set on Wednesday morning.

Figures on new US home sales are due later, with analysts expecting more gloomy economic news.

If the figures are weak, it will raise expectations that the Federal Reserve will cut interest rates still further.

Export concerns

Already this week, figures have indicated that US consumer confidence has fallen to a near two-year low, while house prices have seen the sharpest drop in 16 years.

The Fed cut US interest rates to 4.75% from 5.25% last week - the first US rate cut in four years - in a move aimed at restoring confidence in both the housing and financial markets.

The high value of the euro has caused concern among European exporters, as it makes their products more expensive in the US.

Planemaker Airbus has already warned that jobs could be affected if the euro remains so strong.

[VOguy]

Dollar in Free Fall? Another New Low
For Six Straight Trading Days, the Dollar Has Fallen to New Lows vs. the Euro
BERLIN Sep 27, 2007 (AP)

The dollar reached yet another low Thursday, its sixth consecutive trading day searching for, and finding, a new bottom against the euro.

The dollar made some gains later in the face of data showing that new U.S. home sales have tumbled.

The euro rose as high as $1.4189 up from $1.4136 in New York late the previous day and above its previous peak of $1.4162, which it had reached early Wednesday.

However, it dropped back to $1.4146 in late-afternoon European trading.

The dollar has hit a series of new lows against the euro since the U.S. Federal Reserve cut interest rates by a larger-than-expected half percentage point last week. Disappointing U.S. economic data have underlined the possibility of more cuts.

Lower interest rates, used to jump-start an economy, can weaken a currency as investors transfer funds to countries where their deposits and fixed-income investments bring higher returns.

On Thursday, the U.S. Commerce Department reported that the economy grew at a 3.8 percent annual rate in the April-to-June quarter, the strongest showing in just over a year but below a previous estimate of a 4 percent growth rate.

Another report showed that fewer people signed up for unemployment benefits last week, raising hopes that the recent weakness in the jobs market would not last long.

However, Thursday also brought data showing that new-home sales tumbled in August to the lowest level in seven years, a stark sign that the credit crisis, triggered by bad U.S. mortgages, is aggravating an already painful housing slump.

In other trading Thursday, the British pound rose to $2.0222 from $2.0155 in New York late Wednesday. The dollar rose to 115.63 yen from 115.43 yen.

[VOguy]

Government shuts down NetBank
Mortgage defaults cited as FDIC named receiver, ING takes over deposits
AP Wire - 09/28/2007 @ 2213 Eastern - BULLETIN

WASHINGTON - NetBank Inc., an online bank with $2.5 billion in assets, was shut down by the government on Friday because of an excessive level of mortgage defaults.

It was the largest savings and loan failure since the tail end of the industry's crisis more than 14 years ago. Federal regulators appointed the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. as a receiver for Alpharetta, Ga.-based NetBank.

Customers with less than $100,000 deposited with NetBank will be protected by FDIC insurance.

While dozens of mortgage companies have closed due to soaring defaults of home loans made to borrowers with weak, or subprime, credit, those problems previously had occurred among non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. NetBank, in contrast, is federally regulated.

Loose mortgage standards in recent years — especially among lenders catering to subprime borrowers — have resulted in a spike in home loan defaults.

Bert Ely, a banking consultant based in Alexandria, Va., said NetBank was in "deep trouble" before the subprime mortgage market's woes accelerated this year. Regulators, he said, "should have closed it a long time ago."

While some Internet-only banks are successful, he said, operating one without retail branches can be a difficult strategy to maintain.

ING assumes insured deposits

The FDIC said Friday that $1.5 billion of NetBank's insured deposits will be assumed by ING Bank, also a major online bank that is part of Dutch financial giant ING Groep NV. ING will pay $14 million for the deposits and receive 104,000 new customers.

NetBank, which had no physical branches, sustained significant losses last year "primarily due to early payment defaults on loans sold, weak underwriting, poor documentation, a lack of proper controls, and failed business strategies," the Office of Thrift Supervision said in a statement.

The FDIC said NetBank had $2.5 billion in total assets and $2.3 billion in deposits as of June 30.

The OTS oversees about 830 savings and loan institutions, or thrifts, ranging in size from giants like Seattle-based Washington Mutual Inc. to small community banks. By law, thrifts must have at least 65 percent of their lending in mortgages and other consumer loans.

The last major thrift to be closed by regulators was Superior Bank of Hinsdale, Ill. It had total assets of $1.9 billion and was shut down in July 2001. Its failure has so far cost the FDIC's insurance fund an estimated $273 million.

In June 1993, regulators shut down Western Federal Savings and Loan Association, which had total assets of $3.8 billion. That thrift's owners included former Treasury Secretary William Simon and former Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Preston Martin.

Sale of assets fell through

NetBank had reached a deal to sell its deposit accounts and other assets to privately held EverBank of Jacksonville, Fla., but EverBank announced this month that the deal fell through.

EverBank in July completed its acquisition of NetBank's mortgage servicing business, and the FDIC said Friday that EverBank will purchase about $700 million in mortgage loans.

"Customers of NetBank should have confidence and security knowing that they will have access to their insured funds in a timely and orderly manner," FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said in a prepared statement.

The FDIC insures bank deposits of up to $100,000.

NetBank had $109 million in deposit accounts that exceeded the FDIC limit. Those customers will become creditors in NetBank's receivership, the FDIC said.

The FDIC has a toll-free number for customers affected by the failure: 1-888-256-6932.

[VOguy]

I was chatting with two Canadian pilots who were at the same place where I had breakfast, and we got on the subject of the economy. They were talking about the feeling they had from their customers in Canada, mostly high profile business people. As I'm mentioned before, you can pick up a lot of info just by listening.

The one fellow mentioned that there had been a story overnight on the VOA Europe Service. It's not a news source that I normally monitor, but I found the story and it's posted below.

Greenspan was quoted in February of this year in both USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-02-26-greenspan_x.htm) and MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17343814/) as saying that there is the potential for recession of depression like status. But till now, I've hear


Former US Treasury Secretary Says 50 Percent Chance of US Recession
By Barry Wood, VOA Washington

Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers is predicting there is a 50-50 chance high oil prices and the weak housing sector will drive the U.S. economy into a recession. VOA's Barry Wood reports.

The weakness in the U.S. housing sector was underscored Thursday by a report showing that new home sales declined again last month, registering their steepest drop in seven years. The housing sector is predicted to remain weak for another year.

In addition, oil prices have risen considerably and, at today's prices of $82 per barrel, are 32 percent higher than they were a year ago.

Larry Summers, an economics professor at Harvard University and treasury secretary under President Clinton, says in these conditions, there is a high risk of recession.

"I've said that it is probably not quite 50 percent," he said. "But it is somewhere in that neighborhood."

Summers says the likelihood of recession has increased in recent weeks.

"It's certainly the most dangerous moment in terms of the risk of recession since the aftermath of 2001," he said.

Summers spoke on Bloomberg Television.

But the economic news is not all negative. The Commerce Department reported that the U.S. economy grew by a revised three point eight percent in the second quarter of this year. Growth is likely to have slowed only modestly during the current third quarter.

A recession occurs when the economy declines for six consecutive months. The last US recession was a relatively short and shallow one in 2001.

AUDIO (http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/english/2007_09/Audio/Mp3/Copy%20of%20LCR%20Wood%20US%20Econ%202342660%20092 707%20%20%20jdc.Mp3)

[Divinorumus]

hat there is the potential for recession of depression like status I'd say it might be a bit worse than just a little old fashioned depression or recession. Major civil chaos and anarchy and major panic are closer to what you can expect.

[Alpha]

Vicente Fox admits that he and George W. Bush have ’agreed’ on common currency, North American Union


EBWIRE (http://www.webwire.com/) – Tuesday, October 09, 2007 Contact InformationJ. AbarbanelMarketing DirectorWND Books310-961-4170marketing@worldahead.com Los Angeles, CA (Oct. 10, 2007) -- Speaking on the Larry King show, former Mexican President Vicente Fox confirmed every assertion made by Jerome Corsi in his new book, NY Times bestseller "The Late Great U.S.A: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada" (WND Books, ISBNs 0-9790451-4-2, $25.95, July 2007).


Not only did Fox admit that he and George W. Bush have "agreed" to create a common currency, the Amero, he contended that a North American Union is "inevitable" That’s something that Jerry Corsi takes issue with while applauding Fox’s openness on national television.



"At last we have public confirmation of the pernicious secret activity that’s been going on towards merging Mexico, Canada and the United States" declares Corsi, whose book became a bestseller shortly after publication. "Personally, I’d like to thank Vincente Fox. His candor about this merger is what’s going to stop it dead in its tracks"



Corsi continues, "Fox’s appearance with Larry King and, of all places, on The Daily Show constitutes the first time a leader of Mexico, Canada or the U.S. has openly confirmed a plan to create a regional currency called the Amero -- a plan I document in detail in ’The Late Great U.S.A.’"



Fox went on to explain how current regional trade agreements between the United States and its hopelessly corrupt neighbor to the south are intended to evolve into other previously hidden aspects of North American integration.



As reported in WorldNetDaily, Larry King, near the end of the broadcast, asked Fox a question e-mailed from a listener: "I would like to know how you feel about the possibility of having a Latin America united with one currency"



Fox answered in the affirmative, admitting he and George W. Bush had "agreed" to pursue the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas – a free-trade zone extending throughout the Western Hemisphere – and that part of the plan was to institute a regional currency from Canada to the tip of South America!



"Long term, very long term" he said. "What we proposed together, President Bush and myself, it’s ALCA, which is a trade union for all the Americas"

According to Corsi, Fox has indeed performed a public service. "George W. Bush is president of the United States, not king. He has utterly no right to enter into any such agreement with a foreign country, particularly a hostile one" During Fox’s tenure as Mexican president, millions of Mexicans entered the United States illegally. In Corsi’s view, this constitutes an invasion that has cost American taxpayers billions of dollars while destroying schools and bankrupting hospitals and municipal governments across the country…and is only a taste of what a merger would bring.



"Finally" says the author of "The Late Great U.S.A" "here is unequivocal proof, straight from the mouth of Mexico’s former president, that Bush’s goal is to erode United States sovereignty in order to create free movement for Mexico’s peasant class across our border, in the process flooding us with even more anchor babies and illiterates ready and willing to take advantage of our country’s all-too-generous welfare programs"



Mexico’s invasion of America can and must be stopped, but in order to do so, every citizen must rise up and demand an end to it. "George W. Bush has been bought lock, stock and barrel by the elite and multi-national corporations pushing for a merger with Mexico, but he has utterly no right under the Constitution to push for a merger of the U.S with Mexico or any other country"



Fox’s comments are part and parcel of Mexico’s ongoing campaign to destroy American sovereignty to its benefit. "Going by what Fox has said on national television, it’s clear that Mexico has declared war on the United States" Corsi asserts. "It’s the only way such words can be interpreted. Since Bush has no interest in protecting our interests, and since all too few legislators have stepped up to condemn a North American Union and shared currency, it’s up to we the people"



Thanks to Corsi’s book "The Late Great U.S.A" "more and more patriotic Americans are learning the truth about our ’good neighbor’ to the south, the one George W. Bush can’t do enough for at the expense of every American’s future. In just two unguarded interviews, Vincente Fox has confirmed every aspect of the ugly future that I’ve laid out in "The Late Great U.S.A" It’s past time we put a stop to his dream - and George W. Bush’s"

[Delphine]

Vicente Fox admits that he and George W. Bush have ’agreed’ on common currency, North American Union



You're right, Alpha...it's getting out there now...thank goodness.

Excerpts from an article by:

Larry Fester
Published October 10
usadaily.com

The full article has a revealing video of Fox, which I don't know how to post here. :01: Perhaps someone can do it for me.

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=119275

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"Former Mexican president Vincente Fox calls Americans wanting to reform immigration ‘racist’ and ‘xenophobes’ on the Daily show. Ironically recent Mexican Presidents have made racist remarks telling Mexicans living in America to vote Mexico’s interests.

Fox called for ‘New Vision to go further integrating” than NAFTA. Fox also said illegal aliens should be given drivers license’s and argued for unfettered massive immigration. He claimed that terrorism was not connected to immigration."

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Terrorism is not connected to immigration? I thought Bush was ignoring the plea of Americans. They both think we're all idiots.
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"The proposed North American Union (http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=59199) is an attempt to replace all three branches of the U.S. government without congressional approval or a constitutional convention. It appears to be an attempt mainly through executive branch initiatives and treaties of essentially replacing the U.S. government over time without the consent of the governed.

The executive branch of government does not appear to have any constitutional authority to plot against the current form of Republican government that is in existence within the United States.

Fox told Larry King that he and President Bush had been working on plans for a single currency and implied a regional currency similar to the Eurodollar."

There is no "constitutional authority". ??????????

"CNN.com - Transcripts

FOX: Long term, very long term. What we propose together, President Bush and myself, it's ALCA, which is a trade union for all of the Americas. And everything was running fluently until Hugo Chavez came. He decided to isolate himself. He decided to combat the idea and destroy the idea...

KING: It's going to be like the euro dollar, you mean?

FOX: Well, that would be long, long term. I think the processes to go, first step into is trading agreement. And then further on, a new vision, like we are trying to do with NAFTA.

President Bush has denied that any plans for a North American Union exist and has called it a conspiracy theory.

To date there has been no federal investigations into what may actually be attempts to undermine U.S. representative government via the executive branch of government, at least Fox’s comments imply as much.

Fox blamed Hugo Chavez for disrupting the plans for one currency.

NAFTA was passed by President Bill Clinton wiith Vice President Al Gore as the deciding vote in the Senate.

In each century of its existence the United States has legally expanded by adding new territories and states into the Union following constitutional procedures.

To Date Republican presidential candidates Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, and Tom Tancredo have opposed a North American Union"

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Then Vice-President Al Gore cast the deciding vote in the Senate..so it was a tie.

[Divinorumus]

Most of us are already using the One World Order currency: plastic. Your deposits are not dollars in a vault, but rather digits in a computer. Think of those digits as your performance score while playing capitalism. And, how much booty those digits are really worth have nothing really to do with what country currency those digits represents, but rather how much stuff you can trade it all in for and what that stuff is worth. Heck, many of you who are paid by direct deposit receive those deposits through a bank in China. (I bet most didn't know that, and why)

[Alpha]

Well folks, if the PTB know something we don't, it looks like 2012, isn't much to worry about ;)

Vision 2020 - Northcom

NORTHCOM: NAU Martial Law Appartus By 2020
Lee Rogers
Intel Strike Blog Network
October 16, 2007

The commander of NORAD and USNORTHCOM General Victor E. Renaurt recently made public a 10 page document called Vision 2020 which outlines strategic goals for both NORAD and USNORTHCOM leading up to the year 2020.

The document advocates strengthening relations with Canada Command, developing a closer relationship with Mexico’s armed forces and establishing an effective continental defense against assorted threats.

The focus of the Vision 2020 document is on protecting the continental perimeter of North America and not the United States.

Even more disturbing is that the document also outlines
goals to provide timely and effective support for civil authorities in the wake of catastrophic events through the integration of USNORTHCOM’s
resources.

Essentially, they are envisioning the role of USNORTHCOM by 2020 to serve as a North American martial law apparatus that will have operational integration with current civil and military authorities in Canada, Mexico and the United States.

One of the vision statements of the Vision 2020 document states the following.

We must constantly challenge “the way it is” in favor of “the way it ought to be.”

As we look to the year 2020, we ensure success by creating, refining and transforming our operations as necessary to achieve unity of effort and unity of results.

Innovation is key, as we continually reevaluate our processes, procedures and organizations, ensuring all efforts lead effectively to the best possible defense and security of our homelands.

Our charter is clear—we must actively seek and aggressively advocate solutions that serve the best collective interests of national security and
continental defense.

Why do they talk about continental defense? This question is answered later in the document when it lists the partners that NORAD and USNORTHCOM hopes to rely upon in the future.

The next two paragraphs are taken from the
document describing the partners that NORAD and USNORTHCOM hope to work with.

Our Commands fully rely on the relationships we maintain with partners in the United States, Canada, Mexico and the many government and non-government agencies who are stakeholders in continental defense, security and civil
support.

We are united in purpose to provide increased security and defense of North America.

We will leverage the experience, expertise and capabilities of all potential partners, incorporating these into our plans, training, exercises and operations.

Whether operating in a supported or supporting role, the forces employed for homeland defense or civil support must be able to team with every government, service and agency that provides capabilities which contribute to homeland and continental defense, security and support operations.

They admit that they will maintain relationships with partners in Canada, Mexico and the United States as well as government and non-government agencies with a stake in continental defense.

They make it quite clear that they want to be working with institutions in all three countries government or private to work towards this goal of increased security for North
America.

Essentially this means that USNORTHCOM and NORAD will seek to work with the military industrial complex that exists in all three countries in both the public and private sectors.

If this push for a continental defense perimeter is finally implemented, the sovereignty of all three countries
will be eroded and more money will find their way into the hands of private military contractors.

USNORTHCOM has a second core mission responsibility to support civil authorities by providing specialized skills and assets to rapidly stabilize and improve the situation in the wake of catastrophic events.

At the direction of the President or Secretary of Defense, USNORTHCOM provides this support as part of a comprehensive national response to manage the
consequences of an attack or a disaster.

When civilian responders request assistance, we will anticipate being directed to provide our support and
unique capabilities.

Our ability to rapidly respond with the full range of
military capabilities can be critical in saving lives; protecting critical infrastructure, property and the environment; containing the event; and preserving national security.

Even more disturbing is that they plan on participating in future national level civil support exercises like TOPOFF-4 & Vigilant Shield 08.

They also plan on providing command and control of military forces in large interagency operations as well as integrating military capabilities with civil authorities.

They also plan on standardizing operational concepts in
civil support operations as is described in the next paragraph under how USNORTHCOM will provide timely and effective civil support.

Prior planning and anticipating the types of requests that may arise in order to posture the appropriate military capabilities is critical for a timely response.

Our support planning recognizes the possibility of
multiple, simultaneous incidents in the homeland and the imperative to be prepared to support civilian responders in mass-casualty events.

We will continue to participate in national level civil support exercises, integrating all military capabilities and will provide command and control of federal military forces in large complex interagency operations.

Along with others in the Department of Defense, we will work with government agencies and relevant stakeholders to increase their capacities and capabilities and the ability to work together.

We will leverage our strengths and expertise in such areas as planning, training and command and control in support of our interagency partners.

Effective civil support operations also require standardizing operational concepts, establishing rapid assessment capabilities, employing a common operating picture,
developing compatible technology solutions, and coordinating planning
efforts.

Military support of civilian authorities, integrating with civilian
authorities and standardizing operational concepts in regards to joint operations working with civilian authorities is a description for a martial law apparatus.

Clearly the goal of USNORTHCOM according to Vision 2020 is to have the capabilities of a militarized internal police force combined with civilian and military authorities in Canada, Mexico and the United States that will enable them to enforce martial law.

We are essentially looking at USNORTHCOM outlining a goal to be the command and control foundation of a militarized police state within a regional North American Union government.

The stated goals of the Vision 2020 document, raises many questions on what USNORTHCOM’s true purpose is.

The Posse Comitatus Act forbids the military from enforcing law within the U.S. and the stated goals of Vision 2020
appear not to take that law into consideration.

In fact the very existence of USNORTHCOM should be questioned as it pertains to that law. In addition,
the Constitutionality of our military working with government and non-government agencies in Mexico and Canada should also be questioned.

This holds especially true since the last goal of USNORTHCOM according to the Vision 2020 documen

Considering how corrupt Mexico’s government is, why would one of USNORTHCOM’s stated goals includes working closer with this government’s armed forces unless there are secret deals being made behind closed doors?

Considering the secrecy behind the Security and Prosperity Partnership, the Council on Foreign Relations stated goal of a North American Community by 2010, the rampant illegal immigration coming into the U.S. from Mexico and the lack of U.S. border security between Canada and Mexico the possibility of North American integration into a North American Union cannot be
considered a conspiracy theory.

Vision 2020 outlines goals for a common martial law apparatus and a continental defense perimeter for all three
countries.

This document certainly raises many questions about the goal of NORAD and USNORTHCOM as well as the possibility of a North American Union ruled by an iron fist.

[Judee]

This document certainly raises many questions about the goal of NORAD and USNORTHCOM as well as the possibility of a North American Union ruled by an iron fist.

Leaves no doubt in my mind of what is going on today, in preparation for all of this. Sounds like the three countries are going to become one big prison system, and we'd better do what we're told, or else! :rocketwho

[Mcnowhere]

The cops in both countries who are using deadly weapons (Tasers) on the unarmed public, is just practice and experimentation in my mind. Rounding up the sheeple with cattle prods is what it boils down to.

[Delphine]

The cops in both countries who are using deadly weapons (Tasers) on the unarmed public, is just practice and experimentation in my mind. Rounding up the sheeple with cattle prods is what it boils down to.

Can citizens carry Tazers?

[Dera]

Can citizens carry Tazers?

Delphs, I think it may depend on which state you live in. As you are probably aware, different states have different laws regarding weapons. For example, here in Arizona if I took a class, I could obtain a "Permit to Carry A Concealed Weapon". I could be a "SOGPP" (Silly Old Grandma With a Pistol in Her Purse). That couldn't happen in a lot of states.

Some member here, maybe one of the guys, probably knows a lot more about it. :thinking:



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2207/1753660640_154b86a48b.jpg

[Mcnowhere]

Can citizens carry Tazers?
In Canada, I would imagine that you would have to have a special permit and a good reason to carry one. But I doubt many ordinary people would get one.

These things are illegal here:
• any device that is designed to be capable of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating a person or an animal by discharging an electrical charge produced by means of the amplification or accumulation of the electrical current generated by a battery, where the device is designed or altered so that the electrical charge may be discharged when the device is of a length of less that 480 mm, or any other similar device;

[Delphine]

I'm still looking about the legality, but I found this interesting blog between police officers on Police Magazine....It's a discussion of what their obligations, rights might be if a citizen has a Tazer.

http://www.policemag.com/Forums/Legal-Matters/Questions/Civilians-with-Tasers/139.aspx

[Delphine]

We look at the border problem from many perspectives. Here is an article from TODAY'S TRUCKING online. I have sympathy for the American citizens who make a living bringing goods to the consumer...not the unions, perhaps, but those who try to make their living this way.


November 6, 2007


U.S. to track Mexican trucks with GPS technology


WASHINGTON -- Mexican trucks crossing into the U.S. as part of a controversial pilot project will monitored by GPS satellite technology beginning this month.


The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) announced the plan to track the trucks as they pick up and deliver their loads. The decision to require the installation of satellite tracking -- to be provided by Qualcomm -- was made after members of Congress expressed a desire to know whether Mexican participants in the demonstration program are

complying with U.S. federal safety and trade laws.


FMCSA says it will initially spend approximately $367,000 (that's our money!) to outfit all trucks from the U.S. and Mexico that take part in the program, and use the information gathered from the equipment to ensure trucks comply with hours-of-service laws and rules that govern the trips into and out of the country.


The GPS-based technology also will allow real-time tracking of truck location, documenting every international-border and state-line crossing.
The agency adds that the systems will be used to track trucks by vehicle number and company only; no driver information will be collected.


Despite bitter opposition from owner-op groups and unions, the FMCSA and Mexican authorities successfully launched this September the start of the year-long cross border project, which allows U.S. trucking companies to operate in Mexico for the first time and about 100 Mexican carriers to haul freight beyond the 20-mile commercial border zone.


However, there's no guarantee that the pilot will complete its first year. Another round of legislation that would cut off federal funds for the project is expected to be voted on by Congress in the coming weeks.



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There was a poll on this site: 83% of those who voted did not want the border open because they said it would errode their domestic linehaul rates. One more way to ruin our economy.

HOW CAN I RUIN THEE...LET ME COUNT THE WAYS...




And, remember, we still don't have a fence....


GOP Push for Money for US-Mexico Fence


November 7, 2007
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans cried foul Wednesday after Democrats cut money for a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border from a defense spending bill. :11: WHAT?

The $3 billion in fence money, aimed at seizing "operational control" over the southern border, is likely to pass later in the year as part the Homeland Security Department's spending bill.

The money would pay for additional Border Patrol agents, vehicle barriers, border fencing and observation towers. It also would be used to pursue immigrants who had entered the United States legally but overstayed their visas.

The border security money was included in Bush's broader immigration bill that collapsed in June. It was to be financed by fines and fees on illegal immigrants.

After that measure fell apart, Republicans moved to attach the border security plan to the homeland security measure and succeeded by an 89-1 vote in July.

That vote was so impressive that it became clear that Bush's promised veto of Democrats' homeland security budget would be easily overridden by Republicans eager to demonstrate toughness on immigration.

That led Senate Republicans to add the fence money to the defense spending bill in September.

Democrats stripped the money from the defense bill at a House-Senate negotiating committee Tuesday, leading to an outcry among Republicans.

"It is clear across the country that the American people want to secure our borders first," said Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C. "They want to enforce our laws. And this really is an amazing thing that's happened today."

The White House has signaled Bush will accept the additional $3 billion, even though it also exceeds his budget.

The border fence idea was the GOP's chief immigration initiative of last year, pushed hard by House conservatives as an alternative to the Senate's immigration bill.
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Watch out...we don't have it, yet.

[Delphine]

Watch out...we don't have it, yet.

See what I mean? They're messing with us, again...

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Bill Guts border fence requirement
Would eliminate 854-mle barrier approved by Congress Posted: December 17, 2007
10:02 p.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Republican presidential hopeful Duncan Hunter is blasting a Democrat-sponsored bill that would eliminate the requirement passed by Congress to build a double-layered fence covering 854 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border.

"By eliminating the double fence requirement, the Democratic Congress is going to make it easier for drug and human smugglers to cross our Southern land border," said Hunter. "This goes against the interests of any family that has been touched by illegal drugs or any American who has seen their job taken by an illegal alien."

The Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations bill would specifically eliminate the mandate of the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

As WND reported last week, an amendment submitted by Sen. Kay Bailey ,R-Texas, and co-sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, for the Department of Homeland Security 2008 budget was aimed at gutting the already-approved Secure Fence Act, which was adopted with the promise hundreds of miles of physical fencing would help secure the U.S. border with Mexico.

The Hutchison amendment allows the secretary of Homeland Security to use discretion in deciding whether a fence was the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control along the border with Mexico.

DHS is on record as preferring in many instances the construction of "pedestrian fences" or "virtual fences" instead of double-layered barriers as required in the 2006 law.

"The Hutchison amendment gives DHS virtually total discretion over how and where the fence is built," said Steve Elliott, president of the activist group Grassfire.org (http://www.grassfire.org/index.htm).
He explained the DHS would not be required to build fencing in any particular location and the double-layer mandate would be "totally gone."

"I find it odd that such an important amendment which releases DHS from specific requirements of an existing law would be passed by a simple voice vote in the Senate and then buried in the massive omnibus bill," Elliott said.

"The American people reasonably expect that a double-layer fence will be built, but Congress has always had other plans," he argued. "This amendment should be stripped from the bill."

Hunter agreed.

"The success of the San Diego Border Fence demonstrates the overall effectiveness of the
double-layered approach and the importance of extending this infrastrutcture across our southern land border," Hunter said.

"Pulling back from the double-fence mandate is a prescription for failure that will only allow more smugglers, criminals and illegal aliens to enter the United States through our land border with Mexico," the California congressman added.

"If enacted," Hunter concluded, "this legislation would represent a significant step

backwards in the effort to secure our borders."

Grassfire.org (http://www.grassfire.org/index.htm) is running a campaign to encourage citizens to fax Congress to demand "the fence be built as promised."

[Delphine]

As WND reported last week, an amendment submitted by Sen. Kay Bailey ,R-Texas, and co-sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, for the Department of Homeland Security 2008 budget was aimed at gutting the already-approved Secure Fence Act, which was adopted with the promise hundreds of miles of physical fencing would help secure the U.S. border with Mexico.

The Hutchison amendment allows the secretary of Homeland Security to use discretion in deciding whether a fence was the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control along the border with Mexico.

DHS is on record as preferring in many instances the construction of "pedestrian fences" or "virtual fences" instead of double-layered barriers as required in the 2006 law.

"The Hutchison amendment gives DHS virtually total discretion...



FUNDING FOR THE FENCE IS GONE. While the citizens were busy with Christmas and the media was busy showing the Iowa Caucus....

U.S. Senate Turns Back On Border Fence
By: Joe Murray, The Bulletin
01/02/2008




In a quiet act of defiance, the Senate approved a $555 billion omnibus spending bill that removed legal requirements mandating the federal government fund 854 miles of a double layer border fence spanning America's southwestern border.

The funding requirement was codified into law when Congress passed, and President George W. Bush signed, the Secure Fence Act (SFA) in 2006.

When the spending bill, which combines appropriations for a number of federal agencies, reached the Senate, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) attached S.Amdt. 2466 to the measure in order to silently gut the SFA's spending requirement.

The Hutchison amendment reads, "Nothing in this paragraph shall require the secretary of homeland security to install fencing, physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras and sensors in a particular location along an international border of the United States, if the secretary determines that the use or placement of such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control over the international border at such location." Thus, critics argue the amendment results in a de facto repeal of the SFA.

"The Hutchison amendment gives DHS virtually total discretion over how and where the fence is built," commented Steve Elliott, president of Grassfire.org. "In fact, DHS would not be required to build fencing in any particular location - and the double-layer mandate is totally gone."

The double-layer border fence, which was premised on the fence erected outside San Diego, consists of two layers of fencing with a border patrol access road separating the fencing. California Congressman Duncan Hunter, who is also running for the Republican nomination, was instrumental in building the fence in San Diego and boasts the fence reduced the smuggling of drugs and people into San Diego by 90 percent. Mr. Hunter further contends his fence is virtually impenetrable.

"If you get over my fence, we sign you up for the Olympics immediately," Mr. Hunter repeatedly jokes on the campaign trail. The success of the San Diego fence was so great that Mr. Hunter wrote the SFA to extend it all the way across the southwest border.

But with the Senate's amendment, the fate of the fence remains in limbo and sets the stage for another congressional showdown on immigration now that the amended Senate version comes back to the House for consideration.

"Congress truly pulled the rug out from under us while we were doing our last-minute holiday shopping, deceiving the American people and only showing goodwill to the 12 million lawbreakers living among us," sates Chris Simcox, president of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. Mr. Simcox had pledged to rally his Minutemen to secure funding for the fence, and Mr. Hunter is prepared to do battle as well.

"If Congress is to reverse its border stance after just one year, what message does that send to illegal immigrants and drug smugglers who are watching to see how serious we are about protecting America's borders?" Mr. Hunter asked.

[VOguy]

And we should REMEMBER what the Senate did, and let the present officials know our dislike. And then tell all other politicians, (Congress, State Congress, etc), that they will suffer too if they have a link to the Senate's party or programs.

[VOguy]

It's Blue Monday, and the markets are sinking. To steal Art's phase in a form, "are you ready for the ride?"

How nuts is it getting? The losses on the blue-chip stock indexes of Germany, Britain and France alone amounted to more than $350 billion, or roughly the size of the combined economies of New Zealand, Hungary and Singapore.

[Divinorumus]

:dance: :sadwavey: :D

[VOguy]

Ahhhhh!! The Good Humor man is in the house.

[Alpha]

It's Blue Monday, and the markets are sinking. To steal Art's phase in a form, "are you ready for the ride?"

How nuts is it getting? The losses on the blue-chip stock indexes of Germany, Britain and France alone amounted to more than $350 billion, or roughly the size of the combined economies of New Zealand, Hungary and Singapore.

It's quite frightening VO...the markets in Asia just opened ....it's Tuesday about 12:30 a.m. EST and the downward spiral continues.

Some are predicting a huge global recession....or worse...I'm hearing "global meltdown" on the radio right now...

[Divinorumus]

:sgrin: :sadwavey: :yup:

[VOguy]

It was a brutal day today on the markets. Even those overseas.

Nikke 12573.05 (-752.89)
Hang Seng 21757.63 (-2061.23)

In the U.S.

Dow 11,971.19 (-128.11)
Nasdaq 2,292.27 (-47.75)
S&P 1,310.50 (-14.69)

I think tomorrow would be a good time to change some funds around. Alpha, even my Canadian railroad stock took a dump.

[CosmicMessenger]

This is why we need a president that understands the economy and can help us from not reliving the 1930's.

[Divinorumus]

This is why we need a president that understands the economy and can help us from not reliving the 1930's.
Too late. :wave: :sad6: :Flush:

[Captain Beyond]

This is just too much. South Africa has closed it's gold and platinum mines because of the lack of electricity!:aargh4: So much for finding some salvation with precious metals. Gold is at all time high now and likely to stay that way for some time.

Bottom line is, the crooks are going to get your money one way or another and what jobs are left will go to illegals or overseas.

[Judee]

This is just too much. South Africa has closed it's gold and platinum mines because of the lack of electricity!:aargh4: So much for finding some salvation with precious metals. Gold is at all time high now and likely to stay that way for some time.

Bottom line is, the crooks are going to get your money one way or another and what jobs are left will go to illegals or overseas.

'Lack of electricity'??? Who's kidding who? Too transparent for me! You are so right... they are going to get our money one way or another. We are being sucked dry, and it has all been perfectly planned right down to the last little detail!

[LadyArwen]

I'm not sure what year Rick Perry attended, but I saw his name on the list. This is not surprising. Wish I has known all about this before I moved to Texas and voted for the guy Like there was a real choice anyway. Haaaa) DO YOUR HOMEWORK before casting your votes my friends. I learned my lesson.:zx11pisse

[Dera]

I'm not sure what year Rick Perry attended, but I saw his name on the list. This is not surprising. Wish I has known all about this before I moved to Texas and voted for the guy Like there was a real choice anyway. Haaaa) DO YOUR HOMEWORK before casting your votes my friends. I learned my lesson.:zx11pisse

Hello LadyArwen. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4615/welcome6ld.gif to Imaginative Worlds. Sorry, I had to Google your Rick Perry. I'm not up on all the 50 govs! My bad, huh? Many others here at IW will be happy to discuss your angst at having a Bilderburger for a gov. My sympathies are with you. It sure would be hard to tell just where to move these days! :no:

[Debunkinit]

Someone early in this topic posted something about unions and people not supporting American products.

Having been in a union and having a father who has spent his entire career in a union I can say with some degree of knowledge that unions are the very reason many U.S. made vehicles are so inflated in price. I watched my fathers union run one of their companies out of business through their demands. Fortunately another conglomerate picked them up but it wasn't long before they too were broke and sold off.

I think unions could be a good thing but for the most part unions only serve the unions. The only time I ever saw the union involved where I worked was when it was time to collect dues.

Unions are to thank for jacking the price of your products through the roof. Put yourself in the shoes of the company. How do you compete in the U.S. market place and sell a cheap product when you're first expense is government regulation, second, taxes and thirdly, keeping up with unrealistic and continuing demands of unions? I don't think you'd do anything different than shut down and move your business somewhere that allows you to function without the undo government regs and outrageous taxes. Somewhere that your employees do not demand more than your company is earning. The greed of unions and government pressure ran these companies out of the U.S.

Quite frankly U.S. automakers do not have the superior product...which would be OK if they stood behind their product but they don't even do that. You buy a lemon, you get a lemon and a big one fingered salute from the auto maker. They seem to believe that you should feel grateful that they sold you a vehicle, forget that it has numerous flaws, hell, it's union made, be proud. Bullshit. My next vehicle will be an all foreign made vehicle from a company who's employees have their jobs because they do a good job, not because the union keeps even the worst slough off in his position.

[Dera]

Someone early in this topic posted something about unions and people not supporting American products.

Having been in a union and having a father who has spent his entire career in a union I can say with some degree of knowledge that unions are the very reason many U.S. made vehicles are so inflated in price. I watched my fathers union run one of their companies out of business through their demands. Fortunately another conglomerate picked them up but it wasn't long before they too were broke and sold off.

I think unions could be a good thing but for the most part unions only serve the unions. The only time I ever saw the union involved where I worked was when it was time to collect dues.

Unions are to thank for jacking the price of your products through the roof. Put yourself in the shoes of the company. How do you compete in the U.S. market place and sell a cheap product when you're first expense is government regulation, second, taxes and thirdly, keeping up with unrealistic and continuing demands of unions? I don't think you'd do anything different than shut down and move your business somewhere that allows you to function without the undo government regs and outrageous taxes. Somewhere that your employees do not demand more than your company is earning. The greed of unions and government pressure ran these companies out of the U.S.

Quite frankly U.S. automakers do not have the superior product...which would be OK if they stood behind their product but they don't even do that. You buy a lemon, you get a lemon and a big one fingered salute from the auto maker. They seem to believe that you should feel grateful that they sold you a vehicle, forget that it has numerous flaws, hell, it's union made, be proud. Bullshit. My next vehicle will be an all foreign made vehicle from a company who's employees have their jobs because they do a good job, not because the union keeps even the worst slough off in his position.

Unions had their day - a useful day - a bygone day! Once again, Debunkinit, you have shown your crystal clear vision and understanding of today's issues! Please don't ever waver! http://www.forumup.com/images/smiles/slider_thankyou.gif

[Captain Beyond]

The jobs would have left with or without the unions. The unions just hastened their departure. NAFTA was the real culprit and China's "most favorer nation trade status" was also a part of the plan.

It was GREED! Payback for all those political contributions stuffing the pockets of their buddies! :poke:

[Dera]

The jobs would have left with or without the unions. The unions just hastened their departure. NAFTA was the real culprit and China's "most favorer nation trade status" was also a part of the plan.

It was GREED! Payback for all those political contributions stuffing the pockets of their buddies! :poke:

Oh, absolutely, CB! We all know that it was NAFTA what done us in! No American workers even had a chance! Discounting your shoulder disability, I know you would never be able to find a decent job because of those rascals! Damnitall, anyhow!

[Captain Beyond]

Oh, absolutely, CB! We all know that it was NAFTA what done us in! No American workers even had a chance! Discounting your shoulder disability, I know you would never be able to find a decent job because of those rascals! Damnitall, anyhow!

Oh, you can find a job but it will average about $9 an hour. Figure in taxes, gasoline and your lucky to walk away with $250-$275 per week. Even then, if you have had bad health in the past, smoke of several other criteria, you need not apply!

[Dera]

Oh, you can find a job but it will average about $9 an hour. Figure in taxes, gasoline and your lucky to walk away with $250-$275 per week. Even then, if you have had bad health in the past, smoke of several other criteria, you need not apply!

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm the last one to welcome illegal aliens to our country and workforce. I was being righteous and not facing reality. I honestly do not know what jobs have become unavailable to you and others with your skills and abilities. I was just thinking about the fruit and veggie pickers, the waiters, waitresses, maids, janitors, etc. I am fully aware that many Americans really need those jobs, and at a livable salary.

[Alpha]

One more brick in the wall....or should I say "road" to the NAU :yell:

Canada, U.S. agree to use each other's troops in civil emergencies
David Pugliese Canwest News Service
Friday, February 22, 2008
From: canada.com


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CREDIT: HandoutAmerican soldiers arrive on board the HMCS TORONTO as part of a training exercise in carrying out a NATO presence patrol in the Indian Ocean near Somalia. A new agreement between the U.S. and Canadian militaries has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.


Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.


The U.S. military's Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.


The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.
The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which is campaigning against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, is raising concerns about the deal.


"It's kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites," said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.


Trew said there is potential for the agreement to militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. He noted that work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.


"Are we going to see (U.S.) troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?" he asked.


Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. "We don't know the answers because the government doesn't want to even announce the plan," he said.


But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.


He said the agreement is "benign" and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.


"But there's no agreement to allow troops to come in," he said. "It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The 'allow' piece is entirely up to the two governments."


If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.


News of the deal, and the allegation it was kept secret in Canada, is already making the rounds on left-wing blogs and Internet sites as an example of the dangers of the growing integration between the two militaries.


On right-wing blogs in the U.S. it is being used as evidence of a plan for a "North American union" where foreign troops, not bound by U.S. laws, could be used by the American federal government to override local authorities.
"Co-operative militaries on Home Soil!" notes one website. "The next time your town has a 'national emergency,' don't be surprised if Canadian soldiers respond. And remember - Canadian military aren't bound by posse comitatus."


Posse comitatus is a U.S. law that prohibits the use of federal troops from conducting law enforcement duties on domestic soil unless approved by Congress.


Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.


Scanlon said the actual agreement hasn't been released to the public as that requires approval from both nations. That decision has not yet been taken, he added.

[Divinorumus]

Why don't you sheeple do something and shut down these governments? :AR15firin :banghead:

[Alpha]

Well, well, well...no surprised here....


From: Prison Planet

New Documents Reveal North American Union PR Campaign
Journalist acquires memos detailing secretive group's efforts to counter critics

Steve Watson
Infowars.net (http://infowars.net/index.html)
Friday, March 7, 2008







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New documents have been uncovered that reveal how heads of state of the U.S., Mexico and Canada are beseeching business leaders they privately meet with to launch public relations campaigns in order to counter critics of the secretive Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP).

The documents detail how corporate representatives have been urged to "humanize" North American integration, promote NAFTA success stories to employees and unions and evolve the harmonization agenda "without fueling protectionism".

The documentation consists of internal memos from Canada's Foreign Affairs and Internal Trade ministry, which were obtained by the World Net Daily reporter Jerome Corsi (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58244) under an Access to Information Act request.

"The text of the undated memo is an internal government summary of the third SPP summit meeting held Aug. 20-21, 2007, in Montebello Quebec," writes Corsi.

The memo details the SPP's behind closed doors inaugural meeting with the North American Competitiveness Council (http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2007/june/13/businessmembers/) (NACC), an advisory Council Comprised of 30 senior private sector representatives of North American corporations that were selected by the American, Canadian and Mexican governments at the June 2006 trilateral meeting in Cancun, Mexico.

The "PR offensive", as Corsi puts it, is detailed in the several paragraphs of the memo, the author of which and the persons referred to within are unknown.
Excerpts of the memo read:


"Leaders had a successful meeting with the members of the NACC, which had been launched at the leader's meeting in Cancun in March 2006, to counsel governments on how they might enhance North American competitiveness,"


"He also urged NACC members to assist in confronting and refuting critics of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP)."

"In closing, all leaders expressed a desire for the NACC to play a role in articulating publicly the benefits of greater collaboration in North America."


"Leaders discussed some of the difficulties of the SPP, including the lack of popular support and the failure of the public to understand the competitive challenges confronting North America."


"Governments are faced with addressing the rapidly evolving competitive environment without fueling protectionism, when industry sectors face radical transformation."


"In terms of building public support, President Bush suggested engaging the support of those who had benefited from NAFTA and from North American integration (including small business owners) to tell their stories and humanize the impressive results."


"NACC members should have a role in communicating the merits of North American collaboration, including by engaging their employees and unions."

The NACC is expected to meet annually with SPP ministers and will engage with senior government officials on an ongoing basis.

The media and the public are not invited to participate in or observe the meetings and the minutes of the meetings are to be kept secret.


The memo highlights how those advancing the North American integration agenda are concerned about the exposure and subsequent public backlash they have encountered recently.



The initial Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement was signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005. It established working groups, under the North American Free Trade Agreement office.

Jerome Corsi brought attention to the SPP two years ago when he obtained SPP documents, (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52164) under the freedom of information act, showing that a wide range of US administrative law is being re-written in stealth under a program to "integrate" and "harmonize" with administrative law in Mexico and Canada, just as has become commonplace within the EU.

The documents contained references to upwards of 13 working groups within an entire organized infrastructure that has drawn from officials within most areas of administrative government including U.S. departments of State, Homeland Security, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, Transportation, Energy, Health and Human Services, and the office of the U.S. Trade Representative.


More recently representatives within Congress (http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/200807SPP.htm) have petitioned the government on the secretiveness of the SPP and multiple states have introduced resolutions calling on their federal representatives to halt work on the so called "North American Union".


Related: Dear Deluded Mass Media, North American Union Agenda Exists
(http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/031207NAU.htm)

[kittyboo]

I've been concerned about this for a long time telling everyone I know that these countries are going to take away our sovereignty (sp?)....

[Captain Beyond]

DAs7XZVgKhI

[Alpha]

I have to wonder, with the state of events today, where and how this will unfold or not....and/or?

Where does President Obama stand on this, along with the potentially larger picture?

Thoughts?

[SquidInk]

Where does President Obama stand on this, along with the potentially larger picture?


I think Obama stands wherever he's told to stand. He may be a kinder, gentler criminal globalist, but the end result will be the same. Good cop, bad cop.

It's likely that the NAU is still on track, but the Amero may be scrapped in favor of some sort of SDRs (http://www.answers.com/topic/special-drawing-rights) issued by the World Bank. Then, a Euro-Asian economic bloc (as soon as all "rogue" nations are brought into line)...

Speaking of which -

Have you seen THIS ONE? (http://www.military.com/news/article/joint-forces-warns-of-mexico-collapse.html)


Joint Forces Warns of Mexico Collapse


January 14, 2009
El Paso Times

EL PASO, Texas -- Mexico is one of two countries that "bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse," according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats.

The command's "Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)" report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. "In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico.

"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."

So, who is down Mexico way causing "internal conflict" which may require "an American response" - namely, an occupation force?

More intervention by the American government, thinly disguised as the "War on Drugs". A few false flag operations along the border (in Juarez, maybe? (http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_11469579)), and *PRESTOMUNDO*, Mexico becomes an unacceptable "security risk". The NAU will be an anti-terrorist measure, to protect the "Homeland".

WHY IS MEXICO BEING LUMPED IN WITH IRAN & PAKISTAN ALL OF THE SUDDEN? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-lt-mexico-besieged,0,7717669.story)


MEXICO CITY (AP) — Indiscriminate kidnappings. Nearly daily beheadings. Gangs that mock and kill government agents.

This isn't Iraq or Pakistan. It's Mexico, which the U.S. government and a growing number of experts say is becoming one of the world's biggest security risks.

The prospect that America's southern neighbor could melt into lawlessness provides an unexpected challenge to Barack Obama's new government. In its latest report anticipating possible global security risks, the U.S. Joint Forces Command lumps Mexico and Pakistan together as being at risk of a "rapid and sudden collapse.
...

Retiring CIA chief Michael Hayden told reporters on Friday that that Mexico could rank alongside Iran as a challenge for Obama — perhaps a greater problem than Iraq.

The U.S. Justice Department said last month that Mexican gangs are the "biggest organized crime threat to the United States." National security adviser Stephen Hadley said last week that the worsening violence threatens Mexico's very democracy.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff recently told The New York Times he ordered additional border security plans to be drawn up this summer as kidnappings and killings spilled into the U.S.
...

But the U.S. government is extremely supportive of the Mexican president, recently handing over $400 million in anti-drug aid. Obama met briefly with Calderon in Washington last week and promised to fight the illegal flow south of U.S. weapons that arm the Mexican cartels."

Blame it on the Zapatista "terrorists". Show "the people" a black hooded man (probably a CIA operative standing in a sound studio in Burbank) wielding a scary looking Kalashnikov rifle, and then when the polls are right...mobilize! Commence Operation Aguila Ardiente!


http://etnoecomerida.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ezln.jpg
Look! Scary Mexican terrorists! They keep shouting, "Ya Basta!" - I think it means "kill the freedom loving gringos"...



end of rant... apologies

[Divinorumus]

I think Obama stands wherever he's told to stand. He may be a kinder, gentler criminal globalist, but the end result will be the same.
He could be exactly what the PTB was looking for .. to keep the wool pulled over the sheoples eyes. Bush certainly failed in that arena (but he certainly accomplished the other things they wanted done to us all).

[SquidInk]

I agree, Div. :suspect:

[Judee]

Squid, Div... There is indeed something wrong. I'm not sure how to put it into words. It just doesn't feel right. Why? I just don't know. All I do know is there's something wrong. I should feel happy (?) , but I don't. He is nothing more or less than a member of the Red Tie Society. My fervent wish is that this man will indeed lead us to change for All!!! And that he will indeed stop the wars that are so evil.

[Divinorumus]

Squid, Div... There is indeed something wrong. I'm not sure how to put it into words.

It may be an instinctive feeling, like how the critters can sense winter is coming. The real truth behind all of this and what has been going on IS related to the galactic equinox! Obama KNOWS the cold hard truth .. that MOST can not be saved. There isn't time, there isn't the resources, to do so. He of course will be among all the other human seeds that will be saved and preserved, while the rest left up on the surface of the Earth either end up harvested by the reptilians right before the crossing, or will perish during the crossing. I know this may sound ridiculous to some, but there is enough information out there to put all the pieces of the puzzle together.

[maryals]

Squid, Div... There is indeed something wrong. I'm not sure how to put it into words. It just doesn't feel right. Why? I just don't know. All I do know is there's something wrong. I should feel happy (?) , but I don't. He is nothing more or less than a member of the Red Tie Society. My fervent wish is that this man will indeed lead us to change for All!!! And that he will indeed stop the wars that are so evil.

I hear you Judee, but I think it's a Forlorn Hope :sad: TPTB want us to put our fervent wishes and hopes in our new President, it's all part of the Plan.
So, let's be happy with the friendships we have, with the Good Times we've had and have now.
Then again, my "fault" is that I'm often too willing to just give in to the inevitable.

Mary and Bessie :bad:

[Alpha]

Take a look at this!!....note that many of the clips are from major media sources!!!!

North American Union, RFID & Amero EXPOSED


TH9VwxIPD6k

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH9VwxIPD6k)

[Alpha]

Somehow I stumbled upon a link to Steve Quayle's website with this breaking story.....


Leaked Amero photos


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3327/3646826799_6bd76bd8fa.jpg?v=0


ORIGINAL CAPTION: (FEDERALJACK) These pictures were sent to me a little over two weeks ago.

Before posting them I made sure that I looked them over with extreme prejudice. I have seen other photos of supposed Ameros before so I wanted to make sure these weren’t some crappy homemade hoax.

I have to tell you, after hours of checking them over, they look like the real deal. A few examples of why I came to this conclusion are the water marks and the special light reactive paper they use to make the bills.

There are some shots of the money in natural light and you can see, under close inspection that the security features on our new 20’s and 5’s match up with the security features on the Amero’s.

You will notice the world bank in print and used as a watermark. You will also notice the logo of the “North American Union”. Don’t take my word for it, check them out yourself. Take the time to look at them very carefully. You can decide for yourself, but as for me, I believed they were real enough to post the photos. More photos here (http://www.voteronpaul.com/newsDetail.php?The-AMERO-Leaked-Photos-1187).

Article and Photos (http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Photo_of_Day/090618.photo.of.day.html)

Notice some of the symbology being used!!

[earthist]

Somehow I stumbled upon a link to Steve Quayle's website with this breaking story.....



Notice some of the symbology being used!!
By symbology, I assume you mean using the portraits of Charles Mellen, JP Morgan, Nelson Aldrich, Paul Warburg, and John D. Rockefeller? I couldn't make out the guy on the $10, it's William somebody.

I think the NAU is coming, but don't you find that a little too obvious? I have to say, it looks like something the Onion would put out. :shrug:

[Divinorumus]

I have to tell you, after hours of checking them over, they look like the real deal.
Funny, ha. So, how does one know what the REAL DEAL looks like to even make such a comparison and comment?

[Alpha]

Worth a 10 minute watch...nice summary, specifically the mainstream media "in plain site" references/coverage!!

I think the title is flawed for the video though...it really should be titled NAU and NWO although essentially one is part of the other.

Lh4JHB3yo0s

[maryals]

Once again, Alpha comes thru for us. A most excellent video.
It wasn't that long ago when folks who said "New World Order" were scoffed, laughed at, ridiculed.

Mary and Bessie :wall:

[GuitarCrazyo]

now,50 of the concrete in the wolrd is consumed by China.

So, I am afraid that perhaps 50 of buildings& infrastructures under construction in the world are located in China too.

[GuitarCrazyo]

now,50 of the concrete in the wolrd is consumed by China.

So, I am afraid that perhaps 50 of buildings& infrastructures under construction in the world are located in China too.

[Divinorumus]

now,50 of the concrete in the wolrd is consumed by China.

So, I am afraid that perhaps 50 of buildings& infrastructures under construction in the world are located in China too.

Are you one of those moron chinese autobots? Go talk to this: http://www.cleverbot.com/

[agonry]

What if, within the next decade, we do the Mars plan dubbed "One Man, One Way". We send one guy up there, and he sets up shop and makes a base and other stuff to help people going there after him.

Doesnt matter which country does this, but what happens next?

[anopalfumma]

Very interesting thread. I wnated to tell to you thanks for the information.

[mefBromegef]

Has anyone heard more recent information on this?

[Alpha]

Another kick at that can? ....anyone saying "Problem, Reaction, Solution"...AGAIN!!!! :aargh4:


A North American Security Perimeter on the Horizon (http://www.infowars.com/a-north-american-security-perimeter-on-the-horizon/)


NAFTA has extended from economic integration into a political and regional security pact which has been achieved through the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America, Plan Mexico, as well as other initiatives. Various pieces of legislation and reports, along with influential individuals have called for closer trilateral cooperation regarding common rules for immigration and security enforcement around the perimeter of the continent. A major part of the U.S. security agenda already includes the defense of North America, but a full blown security zone would bring Canada and Mexico further under its control. A Fortress North America poses a serious threat to our sovereignty and would mean the loss of more civil liberties

Plans for a North America security perimeter might have seemed like a pipe dream just a short time ago, but it could become a reality sooner than one thinks. Some believe that a perimeter approach to security would be a more effective way of providing safety while ensuring the free flow of trade and investment. For those pushing for deep continental integration, this move is seen as the next logical step......................

A North American security perimeter would be one of the final steps needed in the creation of a North American Union.

Some of the recommendations from the 2005 report, Building a North American Community (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/nafta_gatt/community.html)co-sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations, included a unified border, a North American border pass, a single economic space, as well as a common security perimeter by 2010. Many of the task force recommendations in areas of trade, transportation, energy, immigration and security became part of the SPP agenda. Despite the demise of the SPP, many of its key objectives continue to move forward under the North American Leaders Summit, as well as through other initiatives.......................

The Merida Initiative, also known as Plan Mexico is an extension of NAFTA and has its roots in the SPP. It is based on America’s failed war on drugs, which has been costly and ineffective. The Merida Initiative relies primarily on military and law enforcement solutions and is advancing police state measures. In a recent interview, Laura Carlsen (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16654) director of the Americas Policy Program in Mexico City described how Plan Mexico, “was designed in Washington as a way to ‘push out the borders’ of the US security perimeter, that is, that Mexico would take on US security priorities including policing its southern border and allowing US companies and agents into Mexico’s intelligence and security operations.”.............

We are well on the way towards a North American security perimeter where trade and investment will be able to roam freely, while we are all forced to endure new security practices dominated by U.S. interests.

Full Article (http://www.infowars.com/a-north-american-security-perimeter-on-the-horizon/)

Also take note....this is 2 years old!!!

Welcome to the North American Army (http://www.infowars.com/welcome-to-the-north-american-army/)

[Judee]

I'm starting to feel like a cow that has been rounded up from the free range and put into a holding corral for fattening up... Wonder what B.S. we'd get from our 'political representatives' (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one BTW), if we emailed them asking about this?

[Alpha]

I'm starting to feel like a cow that has been rounded up from the free range and put into a holding corral for fattening up... Wonder what B.S. we'd get from our 'political representatives' (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one BTW), if we emailed them asking about this?

Probably some BS, although that said, talk of the NAU, the NWO has been referenced often and publically in speeches by politicians, globally.

What bothers me most, is that the average citizen doesn't know anything about any of this...what is really being done to the global economy and just plain seem not to care or bother wanting to know.....:aargh4: :sad:

[VOguy]

What bothers me most, is that the average citizen doesn't know anything about any of this...what is really being done to the global economy and just plain seem not to care or bother wanting to know.....:aargh4: :sad:

It's probably because they don't care. It's not at the top of their important things to do. Simply, people have no investment in their lives in these times.

[Bleflyplayesk]

Wait...
I dont get it.

How do you figure that Veidts plan will allow...wait...I think I know what youre saying.

Youre saying that he made his plan work by creating teleportation machines which will now be the ultimate weapon and all hells going to break loose.

I think that makes sense...

Lazlo 1985 wrote:

[Alpha]

Wait...
I dont get it.

How do you figure that Veidts plan will allow...wait...I think I know what youre saying.

Youre saying that he made his plan work by creating teleportation machines which will now be the ultimate weapon and all hells going to break loose.

I think that makes sense...

Lazlo 1985 wrote:

:confused:

Welcome...I think Bleflyplayesk......your response to this thread and the subject matter within it, makes no sense to me......

Think I know what's going on here, however I'll give it/you this one shot....

Lazlo 1985, Veidt's plan??....o.k. let's see some meat here if you really have something to say...

[Dakota]

294sfKENSAA

Alex does a good job with his documentary

x-CrNlilZho

For the New World Order, a world government is just the beginning. Once in place they can engage their plan to exterminate 80% of the world's population, while enabling the "elites" to live forever with the aid of advanced technology. For the first time, crusading filmmaker ALEX JONES reveals their secret plan for humanity's extermination: Operation ENDGAME.

Jones chronicles the history of the global elite's bloody rise to power and reveals how they have funded dictators and financed the bloodiest wars—creating order out of chaos to pave the way for the first true world empire. * Watch as Jones and his team track the elusive Bilderberg Group to Ottawa and Istanbul to document their secret summits, allowing you to witness global kingpins setting the world's agenda and instigating World War III. * Learn about the formation of the North America transportation control grid, which will end U.S. sovereignty forever. * Discover how the practitioners of the pseudo-science eugenics have taken control of governments worldwide as a means to carry out depopulation. * View the progress of the coming collapse of the United States and the formation of the North American Union.

[moorey]

294sfKENSAA

Alex does a good job with his documentary

x-CrNlilZho

For the New World Order, a world government is just the beginning. Once in place they can engage their plan to exterminate 80% of the world's population, while enabling the "elites" to live forever with the aid of advanced technology. For the first time, crusading filmmaker ALEX JONES reveals their secret plan for humanity's extermination: Operation ENDGAME.

Jones chronicles the history of the global elite's bloody rise to power and reveals how they have funded dictators and financed the bloodiest wars—creating order out of chaos to pave the way for the first true world empire. * Watch as Jones and his team track the elusive Bilderberg Group to Ottawa and Istanbul to document their secret summits, allowing you to witness global kingpins setting the world's agenda and instigating World War III. * Learn about the formation of the North America transportation control grid, which will end U.S. sovereignty forever. * Discover how the practitioners of the pseudo-science eugenics have taken control of governments worldwide as a means to carry out depopulation. * View the progress of the coming collapse of the United States and the formation of the North American Union.

Blew my mind man. Thanks.

[Alpha]

I'm sure they haven't given up on this yet....


WikiLeaks Exposes North American Integration Plot (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/7336-wikileaks-exposes-north-american-integration-plot)

As early as January of 2005, high-ranking officials were discussing (http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/01/05OTTAWA268.html) the best way to sell the idea of North American “integration” (http://www.slideshare.net/miscott57/the-north-american-union-the-new-american-magazine-special-issuepdf) to the public and policymakers while getting around national constitutions. The prospect of creating a monetary unit to replace national currencies was a hot topic as well. Some details of the schemes were exposed in a secret 2005 U.S. embassy cable (http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/01/05OTTAWA268.html) from Ottawa signed by then-Ambassador Paul Cellucci. The document was released by WikiLeaks on April 28. But so far, it has barely attracted any attention in the United States, Canada, or Mexico beyond a few mentions in some liberty-minded (http://www.dailypaul.com/163246/wikileaks-cable-confirms-north-american-initiative-union-single-market-currency-border-plans) Internet (http://iheartfreedom.ca/personal-freedoms/38-personal-freedoms-news/191-wikileaks-cable-confirms-north-american-initiative-union-single-market-currenc) forums (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?289963-Do-you-remember-that-whole-North-American-Union-conspiracy-It-may-not-be).

Numerous topics are discussed in the leaked document — borders, currency, labor, regulation, and more. How to push the integration agenda features particularly prominently.

Under the subject line “Placing a new North American Initiative in its economic policy context,” American diplomatic personnel in Canada said they believed an “incremental” path toward North American integration would probably gain the most support from policymakers. Apparently Canadian economists agreed.

The cable also touts the supposed benefits of merging the three countries and even mentions what elements to “stress” in future “efforts to promote further integration.” It lists what it claims is a summary of the “consensus” among Canadian economists about the issues, too.

Merging the United States, Canada, and Mexico

Integration is a little-used term employed mainly by policy wonks. But while it may sound relatively harmless, it generally describes a very serious phenomenon when used in a geopolitical context — the gradual merging of separate countries under a regional authority.

Similar processes are already well underway in Europe (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/2509-lisbon-treaty-builds-eu-super-state), Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union), and South America (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/6786-south-american-union-selects-socialist-leaders). And according to critics, the results — essentially abolishing national sovereignty in favor of supranational, unaccountable governance — have been an unmitigated disaster. But the U.S. government doesn’t think so.

In North America, integration has been proceeding rapidly for years. The New American magazine was among the first to report on the efforts (http://www.slideshare.net/miscott57/the-north-american-union-the-new-american-magazine-special-issuepdf) to erect what critics have called a “North American Union,” encompassing Canada, the United States, and Mexico. But more recently, the topic has received more attention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3E4s4JTzsY&feature=player_embedded).

After the creation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) — similar in many ways to the European Common Market that preceded the political union in Europe (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/2509-lisbon-treaty-builds-eu-super-state) — the integration scheme has only accelerated. And the bipartisan efforts have been going on for years.

Under President George W. Bush, integration occurred through the little-known “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North (http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/spp-psp.nsf/eng/home)America (http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/spp-psp.nsf/eng/home).” And with the Obama administration (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/02/04/declaration-president-obama-and-prime-minister-harper-canada-beyond-bord), the process, now virtually out in the open, is only accelerating (http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/6274-us-a-canada-agree-to-common-perimeter-biometric-tracking).

Back in 2005, the cable released recently by WikiLeaks explained how it would be done. And looking back, the document was right on the mark.

Moving Forward

The best way forward, according to the cable, is via gradual steps. “An incremental and pragmatic package of tasks for a new North American Initiative (NAI) will likely gain the most support among Canadian policymakers,” the cable states in its summary.

“Our research leads us to conclude that such a package should tackle both ‘security’ and ‘prosperity’ goals,” the document claims, using the two key words that have been emphasized at every step along the way. “This fits the recommendations of Canadian economists who have assessed the options for continental integration.”

Toward the end, the cable offers more advice on how to advance the integration agenda by tailoring the narrative. “When advocating [the North American Initiative to integrate the three countries], it would be better to highlight specific gains to individual firms, industries or travelers, and especially consumers,” the cable states, noting that it’s harder to “estimate the benefits” on a national or continental scale.

Unsubstantiated Claims

In a section headlined “North American Integration: What We Know,” the cable offers nothing but praise for the merging of the continent’s once-sovereign nations that had already been achieved.

“Past integration (not just NAFTA but also many bilateral and unilateral steps) has increased trade, economic growth, and productivity,” it claims, despite the fact that countless economists disagree (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch20.html). Of course, true free-trade advocates also correctly point out (http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/why-managed-trade-is-not-free-trade/) that the thousands of pages of regulations making up the agreements should hardly be considered examples of genuine free trade.

So-called “security,” the other big integration selling point, is featured prominently in the document as well. “A stronger continental ‘security perimeter’ can strengthen economic performance,“ the cable states. “It could also facilitate future steps toward trilateral economic integration, such as a common external tariff or a customs union.”

And law enforcement “cooperation” is good too, the embassy and the U.S. ambassador claim matter-of-factly.

“Cooperative measures on the ‘security’ side, a critical focus of current bilateral efforts, can deliver substantial, early, and widespread economic benefits,” the cable alleges, offering no evidence to substantiate the assertions.

“Security and law enforcement within North America have evolved rapidly since 9/11,” it continues. “Collaboration to improve these processes could yield efficiency improvements which would automatically be spread widely across the economy, leading to general gains in trade, productivity, and incomes.”

The Alleged “Consensus”

According to the document, “many” economists agree with the scheme. The cable says they support the principle of “more ambitious integration goals” such as a customs union, a single market, and even a continental currency to replace the dollar. On top of that, they supposedly believe such a union should involve all three major North American countries — the United States, Mexico, and Canada.

The cable cautions, however, that “most” of the economists believe the gradual approach is “most appropriate” — for now, at least. And all of them apparently agree that such an approach “helps pave the way to these goals if and when North Americans choose to pursue them.”

The embassy cable also included a summary of what it calls the “professional consensus” among Canadian economists on various issues related to integration.

“At this time, an ‘incremental’ approach to integration is probably better than a ‘big deal’ approach,” the document states under the “process” subheading, supposedly referring to the economists’ opinions. “However, governments should focus on choosing their objectives, and not on choosing a process.”

Next in the cable is the question of “border vs. perimeter,” as the formerly secret document puts it. “Even with zero tariffs, our land borders have strong commercial effects,” the embassy said. However, “some” of the effects — such as law enforcement and “data gathering” — are described as “positive.”

“Canada and the United States already share a security perimeter to some degree; it is just a question of how strong we want to make it,” the 2005 document notes. Apparently Canadians’ main reason for seeking a perimeter approach to security and borders, as opposed to a border between the two nations, is to avoid the “risk” that “discretionary” U.S. decisions to stop terror or disease might impede commerce. And evidently, the nations’ rulers did decide to make the perimeter stronger.

As The New American reported (http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/6274-us-a-canada-agree-to-common-perimeter-biometric-tracking) in February, U.S. President Barack Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper met in Washington, D.C., to hammer out a deal (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/02/04/declaration-president-obama-and-prime-minister-harper-canada-beyond-bord) on solidifying the common “perimeter” around the two countries. Also part of the agreement, which conspicuously bypassed both countries’ legislatures, was a diminished role for the nations’ shared border. The development of a biometric system to track North Americans was agreed to as well, as were numerous other controversial measures.

In terms of labor markets, the so-called “consensus” among the unidentified Canadian economists is also — surprise! — the pursuit of even more integration. “Many Canadian economists point to labor markets — both within and among countries — as the factor market [sic] where more liberalization would deliver the greatest economic benefits for all three countries,” the document states.

Next, the cable release by WikiLeaks highlights another startling proposition about how to achieve an end-run around the Canadian Constitution. “Inter-provincial differences [in regulation] are important here, since Canada's federal government does not have the benefit of a U.S.-style ‘interstate commerce’ clause,” the document states. “While much of the problem is domestic in nature, an international initiative could help to catalyze change.”

Yes, the U.S. embassy referred to the wildly abused and misapplied “commerce clause” (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/3278-obamacare-and-the-commerce-clause) as a “benefit” that Canada lacks. And it actually suggested, hiding behind unnamed “economists,” that the constitutional “problem” could be minimized by foisting an “international initiative” on the Canadian people.

The cable also claims the “economists” support a customs union, a feature developed in the European Union once the integration process was well established. “A common external tariff, or a customs union which eliminated NAFTA's rules of origin (ROO), is economically desirable,” it states.

And finally, the document summarizes the “consensus” on the subject of a currency union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/4591-waking-up-to-a-world-currency). It said the supposed economists were “split” on the issues of returning to fixed exchange rates or even abolishing Canada’s fiat dollar and replacing it with American Federal Reserve fiat currency.

The cable gives the final word on the topic of a currency union to the Canadian central bank boss. He is quoted as saying that "monetary union is an issue that should be considered once we have made more progress towards establishing a single market."

Secrets, Backers

The scheme to merge North America into a political unit with its own legislature (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Senator+Hugh+Segal+advocates+closer+North+American +Community/4261041/story.html) and currency is largely the brainchild of the world government-promoting Council on Foreign Relations (http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102). But though documents leaked earlier this year revealed (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/934675--the-federal-government-deliberately-kept-negotiations-on-a-border-deal-with-washington-secret-canad) that governments were trying to keep the process under wraps, integration is now proceeding (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/02/04/declaration-president-obama-and-prime-minister-harper-canada-beyond-bord) out in the open for the most part.

Where the campaign will eventually end remains to be seen. But if North American Union advocates get their way, the U.S. Constitution and its Mexican and Canadian counterparts could soon be rendered irrelevant. After that, plugging the regional units into a global system would be a relatively simple matter, critics and supporters both argue.


Full Article (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/7336-wikileaks-exposes-north-american-integration-plot)

[Alpha]

I haven't heard anything about this in the MM...not surprising though....wouldn't fly well at all :no: :no:

U.S.-Canada Perimeter Security and the Consolidation of North America (http://www.infowars.com/u-s-canada-perimeter-security-and-the-consolidation-of-north-america/)


Dana Gabriel
Infowars.com
September 20, 2011

The U.S. and Canada are very close to unveiling a North American perimeter security deal that would promote greater integration between both countries. This includes expanding collaboration in areas of law enforcement and intelligence sharing which could dramatically affect sovereignty and privacy rights. While there is a need for more public scrutiny, incrementalism has been used to advance North American integration. In many ways this has kept the agenda under the radar. Much like NAFTA and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, a U.S.-Canada perimeter security agreement would represent another step in the consolidation of North America.

During his speech at a recent meeting of northern border states, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder (http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2011/ag-speech-110914.html) told participants that the U.S. and Canada are set to launch a pilot project next year which will allow law enforcement officers to operate on both sides of the border. Holder explained that, “the creation of ‘NextGen’ teams of cross-designated officers would allow us to more effectively identify, assess, and interdict persons and organizations involved in transnational crime.” He went on to say, “In conjunction with the other provisions included in the Beyond the Border Initiative, such a move would enhance our cross-border efforts and advance our information-sharing abilities.” The declaration, Beyond the Border: Shared Vision for Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness (http://pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=3938) issued by President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Stephen Harper last February, identified joint law enforcement operations and information sharing as a high priority. There are already examples of what we could expect from a security perimeter as some Canadians have been denied entry into the U.S. after their records of mental illness were shared (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/08/f-border-mental-health-privacy.html) with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

While further details of the new joint law enforcement project are not yet available, Stuart Trew of the Council of Canadians (http://canadians.org/blog/?p=10480) pointed out that the plans are well advanced. This prompted him to question, “why is Harper consulting with Canadians on a done deal? We haven’t had a chance to yea or nay the perimeter agreement which is expected to be released as an ‘action plan’ within weeks. But a pilot project that legalizes and normalizes US policing activities in Canada is already set to begin next year.” He added that this confirms, “the Harper government will use its limited public consultations earlier this year to move ahead quickly with whatever new cross-border policing and information sharing commitments it wants, regardless of privacy and other concerns.” Last month, the Canadian government released two reports (http://www.borderactionplan-plandactionfrontalier.gc.ca/psec-scep/index.aspx?lang=eng) which summarized public input received concerning regulatory cooperation, as well as security and trade across the border. While improving the movement of goods and people was the priority for business groups, many individuals expressed concerns over the loss of sovereignty, along with the protection of personal information.


On top of announcing plans to create teams of cross-designated officers, Attorney General Eric Holder took time to praise bilateral relations between the two countries, but acknowledged, “there are areas in which the U.S. and Canada can enhance cooperation in criminal investigations and prosecutions. And I believe we must consider how extradition, and mutual legal assistance, processes could be streamlined.” He also stated, “As Canada’s national government considers various anti-crime policies and approaches, we will continue working to implement a comprehensive anti-crime framework.” Does this mean that as part of a security perimeter, Canada would have to change its legal system to better reflect U.S. laws? As the fall session of Parliament gets underway, the Harper government is set to table tough new criminal reform legislation (http://www.canada.com/news/Conservatives+table+controversial+crime+laws+early +agenda/5421518/story.html).


In the report entitled Shared Vision or Myopia: The Politics of Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness (http://www.rideauinstitute.ca/file-library/shared-vision.pdf), former Foreign Service officer Gar Pardy warns that a perimeter security deal with the U.S. could sacrifice Canadians privacy while doing nothing to improve the flow of trade across the border. In his report, Pardy reveals that “The concessions the Americans want is the transfer of enormous amounts of information about Canadians and others about whom Canada collects information. It is evident that to meet such expectations Canadian privacy laws will need to be ignored, violated or weakened.” He also stated that, “The Shared Vision approach essentially promotes the idea that in order to restore the status quo ante implicit in the free trade agreements there have to be large political concessions by Canada that will satisfy American security concerns.” This could explain the Conservative government’s announcement that it will reintroduce anti-terrorism measures (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/06/harper-911-terrorism-islamic-interview.html) which have expired and are on par with sections of the liberty-stripping U.S. Patriot Act. The move is tied to plans for a security perimeter and is aimed more at satisfying U.S. fears.


In his report released by the Rideau Institute, Gar Pardy also warns that, “when Canada–United States privacy protection principles are under bilateral discussion, privacy protection will not be increased. A more likely result is that existing Canadian privacy laws, as flawed as they are, will erode to meet the demands of the United States.” As part of his report, he recommended measures that would better protect privacy rights and encourage transparency. This included all new agreements with the U.S. affecting the privacy rights of Canadians, be reviewed by the Privacy Commissioner. Pardy called for the creation of a single authority to oversee all federal police and security organizations participating in information transfers between both countries. He also recommended a separate treaty that would protect personal information transferred to the U.S. for national security purposes. With regards to a perimeter security deal, Pardy concluded that, “If Canadian concessions on security and privacy rules do result in the lessening of American border restrictions and controls then such results would always be hostage to future events over which Canada has no control.”


It is important to keep in mind that the move towards a North American security perimeter is being done without congressional or parliamentary approval. There is no reason to trust that our governments will strike any kind of balance between security and freedom. That is why it is imperative that we demand more transparency and input. With a joint action plan expected to be released soon, it is my hope that Canadians and Americans will reject any perimeter security deal that reduces privacy rights and further puts our sovereignty at risk.


Article (http://www.infowars.com/u-s-canada-perimeter-security-and-the-consolidation-of-north-america/)

[Alpha]

Looks like this is still in the works....don't think most Canadians would want any part of it....no offense to my wonderful American friends.

Redefining the U.S.-Canada Border: The End of Canada as a Sovereign Nation?


March 13, 2012

Through a series of bilateral meetings, U.S. and Canadian officials are busy working out the details of the perimeter security action plan. This includes a recent joint crime forum which dealt with border and law enforcement issues. These various discussions are part of the implementation process which when finished would bring about the complete transformation of the northern border and another step closer in the creation of a fully integrated North American security perimeter.

In early March, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano met with Canadian Justice Minister Rob Nicholson and Public Safety Minister Vic Toews as part of the Cross-Border Crime Forum (http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2012/nr20120302-eng.aspx?rss=false). On the agenda was, “transnational crime issues such as organized crime, counter-terrorism, smuggling, economic crime and other emerging cross-border threats.” Both countries also signed a memorandum of understanding on the Dissemination and Exchange of Information (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/opa/mou-hstc-rcmp-exchange-of-information.pdf) to combat human smuggling and trafficking. The meetings were used as an opportunity to further advance U.S.-Canada cooperation in areas of law enforcement, criminal justice and intelligence. This ties in with my previous article which detailed (http://beyourownleader.blogspot.com/2012/02/counter-terrorism-and-northern-border.html) the Obama administration’s new counter-narcotics strategy for the northern border that includes closer collaboration with Canada in the war on drugs. Much of the joint crime forum discussions focused around the progress being made on the Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness Action Plan (http://actionplan.gc.ca/eng/feature.asp?mode=preview&pageId=337), announced in December 2011.

A readout (http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/March/12-ag-277.html) of Attorney General Holder and Secretary Napolitano’s visit to Ottawa explained that talks with their Canadian counterparts centered largely around promoting the perimeter security agreement. It highlighted, “efforts to develop the next-generation of integrated cross-border law enforcement operations, and improve information sharing practices.” Attorney General Holder stated, “Our productive discussions today at the Cross Border Crime Forum go a long way toward advancing a key pillar of the Beyond the Border initiative that President Obama and Prime Minister Harper announced last year: integrated law enforcement that adds value to our relationship by leveraging shared resources, improving information sharing and increasing coordination of efforts.” Secretary Napolitano emphasized that, “We will continue to work with Canada to further enhance information sharing and integrate our cross border law enforcement operations, strengthening the national and economic security of both our nations.” As part of the perimeter security deal, both countries are moving ahead with harmonizing intelligence sharing capabilities.

The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) recently hosted (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/national/02292012_2.xml) stakeholder meetings regarding programs and initiatives found in the Beyond the Border action plan. CBP Acting Deputy Commissioner Thomas Winkowski confirmed that the, “agreement forged by President Obama and Prime Minister Harper is about strengthening and expediting trade and travel between our countries.” He went on to say, “It’s about finding common-sense solutions to our most complicated problems. And it’s about extending national security for both of our nations, well away from the border.” CBSA President Luc Portelance acknowledged, “As these joint meetings with stakeholders indicate, we are committed to working with our U.S. partners to bring about greater consistency, efficiency and predictability in the management of our shared border.” The perimeter security deal will mean deeper integration between both border agencies. Some have warned that it might force Canada to harmonize its immigration and refugee policies with U.S. practices. Over a period of time, this could lead to the creation of a binational institution that would manage the northern border.

Steven Chase of the Globe and Mail reported (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/pmo-cool-to-us-officials-norad-border-musings/article2356680/) that during recent border security discussions, Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary of International Affairs, Alan Bersin commented on how, “he believes the time will come when Canada and the United States have a joint organization to handle border controls – what he described as a NORAD border.” Bersin is quoted as saying, “Why should we have separate admissibility processes … if, in fact, North American security would suggest that a Canadian and a U.S. immigrations and customs official ought to be working together to clear people in Frankfurt who are coming into Canada, to clear them such that they would be able then to come seamlessly across (the joint border into) the United States.” An article (http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=8734) by Christopher Sands of the Hudson Institute also included another top level Homeland Security official using the same NORAD analogy to describe future joint border controls. David Heyman explained that this, “could be a model for how the two countries might handle the protection of citizens against 21st-century threats from terrorism, pandemics, cyberattacks, and organized crime.”

On February 16, the Conservative government introduced the Protecting Canada’s Immigration System Act (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-02-16.asp). The legislation proposed, “reforms to the asylum system to make it faster and fairer, measures to address human smuggling, and the authority to make it mandatory to provide biometric data.” The new changes would put Canada in line with the U.S. and other international partners. Immigration Minister Jason Kenney praised the use of biometrics as an, “important new tool to help protect the safety and security of Canadians by reducing identity fraud and identity theft.” He added, it “will improve our ability to keep violent criminals and those who pose a threat to Canada out. In short, biometrics will strengthen the integrity of Canada’s immigration system while helping facilitate legitimate travel.” Under the section about sharing relevant information to improve immigration and border determinations, the U.S.-Canada action plan (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/wh/us-canada-btb-action-plan.pdf) calls for implementing, “systematic and automated biographic information-sharing capability by 2013 and biometric information-sharing capability by 2014.” There are fears that a joint biometric identification system would be used to track Canadians and Americans alike.

U.S.-Canada bilateral dialogue on strategic issues concerning the Beyond the Border deal continues as the action plan lays out deadlines where initiatives will be incrementally implemented over the next several years. The proposed changes promise to bring about a radical transformation of the northern border. This will further bring Canadian security practices in line with American ones and under the reach of the Department of Homeland Security.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSWw2Tb57g0

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From 2011

Harper Lies About Canada-U.S. Border Deal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVi1ERORD1E&feature=related

Stephen Harper Has Single Handedly Redefined The Word Sovereignty To Mean "Enlightened Sovereignty" Which Is Why He Can Say The Following...

"A new Canada-U.S. agreement on border security won't jeopardize Canadian sovereignty"

This not simply about the free flow movement of goods and people across our borders, they don't need any "new deal" for that as we already have many "trusted traveler programs" in place and running that people haven't even begun to really take advantage of yet. Programs like the NEXUS lanes at the borders and in our airports that allows people willing to submit to background checks to cross the border and board a plane much faster. The fact that these programs already being promoted by government are not yet running at 100% capacity or expanding demonstrates that there is a limited demand for this type of service.. regardless, our government seeks to use us as their excuse, in the name of making it easier for Canadians to access the United States.

Make no mistake, this is not about making anything easier for us! Its about making it easier for corporations that operate out of both Canada, United States and Mexico and hold very little thought on the sovereignty and independence of any of their host nations. An Independent and sovereign Canada is not in their business model but rather a trade barrier that must be overcome.

In order to thin the borders, remove "red tape", allow for shipments to go from Mexico all the way into Canada without having to stop for multiple inspections, they are willing to tell American and Canadian Citizens that they must be Bio-metrically Tracked In Real Time.

This Is Not A North American Community.. This Is Fortress North America!
This is a direct threat to national sovereignty. The definition of sovereignty is the ability a nation to act on its own accord, to do whats in the best interest of that country, the right of self determination. I would like to ask the government, how do we maintain national sovereignty when we sign an international treaty obligating us to act in accordance with that agreement? Obligated once signed under law no longer simply MOU's and discussions.
By very definition this is an erosion of our sovereignty, our ability to act in the best interest of Canada in future situations that may effect us differently from the United States, possibly due to our differences in foreign policy.

For Example Cuba.. Canada has no problems dealing with Cuba, the United States Does.. With A Common Security Perimeter, How Does The U.S. Protect Itself From Imports Into Canada from Cuba..

With A Common Security Perimeter around North America and the thin internal borders where trucks are allowed to go from Mexico into the United States and then all the way up into Canada unchecked, in a time when our leaders proclaim we must strengthen security doesn't make any logical sense at all.

Perhaps our interpretation of the common security perimeter in Canada and the U.S. is followed a little more closely then our Mexican "partners" or due to corruption in Mexico.. dangerous goods or people are able to enter from the south.. then can now simply go unchecked all the way up through the states.. possibly stopping to pick up more dangerous things or people then keep on a trucking straight up into Canada is a very scary proposition!

Finally, let us not forget 9/11 was based on lies! Even the 911 commission themselves admits the review was a scam! We are now going to give up our sovereignty in order to better protect ourselves from a pack of lies?
Where is the threat? A failed Diaper Bomber? A bunch of fake printer bombs? A Firecracker In A Shoe? Our Prime Minister And The President of the United States sit down on a very frequent basis with other world leaders via the G8/G20 and United Nations. The world biggest nations are all participating.. Are We Under Threat By Any Of These Leaders? We Sit Down Next To Them At The Big Tables.. There Is No Threat!

The only threat remaining is our sovereignty, Constitution, freedoms and independence which all stand in their way of their North American consolidation agenda. This is not a "theory". The President of Mexico and the Prime Minister of Canada in the summer of 2010 called for the Consolidation of North American right from the floor of the house on national television!

Its Time For Canadian and American Citizens To Stand Up And Demand Our Governments Cease And Desist Immediately!

[Judee]

I don't have time to digest this thoroughly right now. I'll come back to it at some other time and read in in depth. This is a very important piece! And NO! I don't think Canadians or Americans would want any part of it. :yell:

[Project]

As usual they use the fake terrorism to justify complete and total change to our existing systems, and if you protest you are a) with the terrorists and b) A terrorist yourself.

[Alpha]

As usual they use the fake terrorism to justify complete and total change to our existing systems, and if you protest you are a) with the terrorists and b) A terrorist yourself.

:sigh: ...yeah. What blows my mind is that this "terrorism" schtick is still working. It's been over a decade now since ...well you know.....

[Alpha]

Tuesday, May 1, 2012

New Obama Executive Order Pushes Us Closer to a North American Union and a One World Economic System (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us.html)


http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/New-Obama-Executive-Order-Pushes-Us-Closer-To-A-North-American-Union-And-A-One-World-Economic-System1-300x199.jpg (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us-closer-to-a-north-american-union-and-a-one-world-economic-system/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us-closer-to-a-north-american-union-and-a-one-world-economic-system-2)

Michael Snyder, Contributor
Activist Post (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us.html)

When it comes to Barack Obama, one of the most important things to understand is that he is a committed globalist. He firmly believes that more "global governance" (the elite don't like to use the term "global government") will make the world a much better place. Throughout his time in the White House, Obama has consistently sought to strengthen international institutions such as the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO.

At every turn, Obama has endeavored to more fully integrate America into the "global community". Since he was elected, Obama has signed a whole host of new international economic agreements. He regularly speaks of the need for "cooperation" among global religions and he has hosted a wide variety of different religious celebrations at the White House.

Obama once stated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKb2TBUqpCQ&feature=player_embedded) that "all nations must come together to build a stronger global regime". If you do not want to live in a "global regime" that is just too bad. To globalists such as Obama, it is inevitable that the United States of America will be merged into the emerging global system.

Just this week, Obama has issued a new executive order that seeks to "harmonize" U.S. economic regulations with the rest of the world. This new executive order is yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system. Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.


The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world. The globalization (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/what-is-globalization) of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to "harmonize" their work with the international community. The following is how this new executive order was assessed in a recent Businessweek article (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-01/obama-order-urges-rule-review-to-boost-u-dot-s-dot-company-trade)....


Obama’s order provides a framework to organize scattered efforts to promote international regulatory cooperation, the chamber’s top global regulatory official said today.



'Today’s executive order marks a paradigm shift for U.S. regulators by directing them to take the international implications of their work into account in a consistent and comprehensive way,' Sean Heather, vice president of the chamber’s Center for Global Regulatory Cooperation, said in an e-mailed statement.


Members of the Obama administration are touting this as a way to "reduce regulation", but the truth is that this is much more about aligning ourselves with the rest of the world than anything else.

Obama's "Information Czar", Cass Sunstein, authored a piece in the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304811304577369934135888006.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion) on Monday in which he stressed the need to eliminate "unnecessary regulatory differences across nations" so that the United States can compete more effectively in our "interdependent global economy". The end result of this process will be that we will now do things much more like how the rest of the world does things....


In an interdependent global economy, diverse regulations can cause trouble for companies doing business across national boundaries. Unnecessary differences in countries' regulatory requirements can cost money, compromising economic growth and job creation. Think of divergent requirements for car headlights, or the labeling of food, or standards for container sizes.


Recognizing this, President Obama's Jobs Council has called for U.S. agencies to better align U.S. regulations with those of our major trading partners. And today the president is issuing an executive order, "Promoting International Regulatory Cooperation," with a simple goal: to promote exports, growth, and job creation by eliminating unnecessary regulatory differences across nations.

But a one world economic system is not going to arrive overnight. Initially, it is much more likely that there will be a very strong push toward North American integration first. The goal will be to shape North America into an integrated regional economic unit similar to the EU. Cass Sunstein discussed how this new executive order will affect North American integration on the White House website on Tuesday (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/05/01/reducing-red-tape-regulatory-reform-goes-international)....


The new Executive Order will build on work that is already underway. We have started close to home, with President Obama launching Regulatory Cooperation Councils with Prime Minister Harper of Canada and President Calderon of Mexico. The Councils are implementing work plans to eliminate or prevent the creation of unnecessary regulatory differences that adversely affect cross-border trade; to streamline regulatory requirements; and to promote greater certainty for the general public and businesses, particularly small- and medium-sized enterprises, in the regulation of food, pharmaceuticals, nanotechnology, and other areas. The United States and Canada released the United States-Canada Regulatory Cooperation Council (RCC) Joint Action Plan last December. In February, we announced the United States-Mexico High-Level Regulatory Cooperation Council (HLRCC) Work Plan.


Most Americans have absolutely no idea how far plans to integrate the United States, Canada and Mexico have advanced.

Last year, Barack Obama signed an agreement to create a "North American security perimeter (http://www.wnd.com/2011/02/261477/)" and most Americans never even heard about it because the mainstream news networks almost entirely ignored it.

But this is exactly what the globalists want. They don't want people to become alarmed by these moves toward North American integration. In fact, a document uncovered by Wikileaks shows that those involved in the effort to integrate North America believe that an "incremental" approach is best. Apparently they believe that small moves toward integration are less likely to alarm the general population. The following is from an article that appeared in The National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/02/leaked-u-s-cable-lays-out-north-american-%E2%80%98integration%E2%80%99-strategy/) last year....


The integration of North America’s economies would best be achieved through an 'incremental' approach, according to a leaked U.S. diplomatic cable.



The cable, released through the WikiLeaks website and apparently written Jan. 28, 2005, discusses some of the obstacles surrounding the merger of the economies of Canada, the United States and Mexico in a fashion similar to the European Union.



'An incremental and pragmatic package of tasks for a new North American Initiative (NAI) will likely gain the most support among Canadian policymakers,' the document said. 'The economic payoff of the prospective North American initiative … is available, but its size and timing are unpredictable, so it should not be oversold.'


If the people of Canada, the United States and Mexico were told that there was a plan to merge all three economies, there might be massive protests to stop it, and the globalists do not want that.

A few years ago, the "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America" (SPP) that was being promoted by President George W. Bush started to generate quite a bit of negative publicity. That caused those seeking to integrate the economies of North America to back off for a little while.

But as an article by Jerome Corsi (http://www.wnd.com/2011/02/261477/) last year detailed, the eventual goal is to turn North America into another version of the eurozone. That includes a common currency for North America called the "amero"....


The SPP in the administration of President George W. Bush appeared designed to replicate the steps taken in Europe over a 50-year period following the end of World War II to transform an economic agreement under the European Common Market into a full-fledged regional government, operating as the European Union, with its own currency, the euro, functioning as the sole legitimate currency in what has become known as 'the eurozone.'
The concern under the SPP has been that the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, could be evolved into a regional government, the North American Union, with a regional currency, the amero, designed to replace the U.S. dollar, the Mexican peso and the Canadian dollar.

So will we ever see the "amero" replace the U.S. dollar?

Hopefully not.

If the globalists try to introduce the "amero", it would probably be after a horrible financial crisis in which the U.S. dollar falls apart. The "amero" would be heralded as the "solution" to the problems that were plaguing the dollar.

If there ever is a move to get rid of the U.S. dollar for an international currency of some kind, the American people will need to resist it with all of their might.

The more integrated the world becomes (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-un-plan-for-running-the-world-global-carbon-taxes-global-safety-nets-and-a-one-world-green-economy), the more likely it becomes that we will see nightmarish global tyranny someday. It is very frightening to think of what someone very evil might do if they had the chance to run the entire planet.

Once our national sovereignty is gone, it will be incredibly difficult to get back. If the American people don't take a stand while they still can, their children may wake up someday as citizens of a very oppressive "global regime".

This article first appeared here at the American Dream (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us-closer-to-a-north-american-union-and-a-one-world-economic-system?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us-closer-to-a-north-american-union-and-a-one-world-economic-system). Michael Snyder is a writer, speaker and activist who writes and edits his own blogs The American Dream (http://endoftheamericandream.com/) and Economic Collapse Blog (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/). Follow him on Twitter here (http://twitter.com/Revelation1217).

Article (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/new-obama-executive-order-pushes-us.html#more)

[Judee]

Not sure why people single out individual president's when it comes to a One World Order. Every president that has been has done others bidding when it comes to a OWO. People give the President (any president) too much credit for having the power to accomplish this on their own. Just my opinion.

[Alpha]

Not sure why people single out individual president's when it comes to a One World Order. Every president that has been has done others bidding when it comes to a OWO. People give the President (any president) too much credit for having the power to accomplish this on their own. Just my opinion.

As a headline perhaps :dunno:

Seems to me that since this threads inception in 2006, what it clearly shows is that it doesn't matter who sits in the "oval office", on Sussex Dr etc., whether the current political climate is red or blue, the agenda marches on, regardless which puppet is currently hosting the show. One only needs to briefly look at the attendees/members of the "G" summits, The Bilderberg Pow Wows, CFR, UN, Trilateral Commission etc., to see who owns whom and what IMO. We truly do live in "Oz" and most buy into the show.

[Project]

People like to complain about the puppet in office, this is part of the plan, blame the individual and miss the big picture... "That socialist Obama" when he is just continuing what all other leaders have done in the past.

What drives me crazy is that "executive orders" are taken as law now, a loophole that severely discredits and destroys the entire concept of the USA.

[Alpha]

People like to complain about the puppet in office, this is part of the plan, blame the individual and miss the big picture... "That socialist Obama" when he is just continuing what all other leaders have done in the past.

What drives me crazy is that "executive orders" are taken as law now, a loophole that severely discredits and destroys the entire concept of the USA.

:notworthy

The terminology "executive order" is very clever and seems that it is also very effective. How many Americans actually know what their Constitution actually states and once/should still guarantee?