The First Message

[caveatipse]

Hello again,
In the year 3,000, the governments of the world will join together as one, the seat of which will be inthe United States. Some countries will be excluded and villified, such as several in the Middle East, who will refuse to conform, and Japan.

This one government will become oppressive and will be led by a single leader named Torkson. He is not the anti-Christ, but simply a dictator. Things will become so bad, that it will resemble the German Nazi Regime of the 1940s. A resistance movement will form, of which I am a member.

The Resistance Base will be located somewhere in Louisiana (I cannot be more specific for secuity reasons). We will resist the Society, as the government will come to be known.

I have been sent here to the past, to warn you of this time that the Society is coming. You, and you alone, can stop the seeds of the Society and perhaps prevent its formation. We know for a fact that the seeds of the Society were planted in this year, 2006. If you can believe me thus far, I have much more to tell you.

Thanks, Matthew

[Captain Beyond]

We seemed to be headed there pretty fast. I f we don't alter the course, we will be there pretty darn quick I think!

[Alpha]

Thanks for sharing this Matthew.

Just curious why you say the "seeds" were planted in the year 2006?

With the Patriot Acts I & II just to name these 2 manifests, one could think the seeds were planted earlier....what has happened in or will happen in 2006 from your perspective?

[caveatipse]

Thanks for sharing this Matthew.

Just curious why you say the "seeds" were planted in the year 2006?

With the Patriot Acts I & II just to name these 2 manifests, one could think the seeds were planted earlier....what has happened in or will happen in 2006 from your perspective?

When I speak of the seeds, I mean that two men are conceived in 2006. They shall grow up and eventually be the patriarchs of the beginning of the governmental consolidation movement.

[Alpha]

When I speak of the seeds, I mean that two men are conceived in 2006. They shall grow up and eventually be the patriarchs of the beginning of the governmental consolidation movement.

Thanks Matthew. That clears up your earlier post :)

What more can you disclose about this Matthew?

From your perspective are these conceptions within what we term and consider the "Illuminati" or the players of the NWO as we define it today..or in other words is there a specific lineage associated with these "births"?

[Project]

I shall simply pepper you with questions if that is alright:

Is Kissinger still around in these times?

How the hell could we survive another 1000 years without learning the dangers of totalitarianism?

How many all-out revolutions are there before then?

What happens to Canada?

Is global warming an actual problem?

Do replicators based on nanotechnology exist?

What is the dominant mode of travel in 3000AD?

[caveatipse]

I am happy to answer your questions.

Is Kissinger still around in these times?

No.

How the hell could we survive another 1000 years without learning the dangers of totalitarianism?

In those thousand years, there will of course be dictators and oppressive governments. But it is not until then that the entire world submits to a sinle tyrannical government.

How many all-out revolutions are there before then?

There are dozens of national revolutions, but the one I am speaking of is a worldwide revolution.

What happens to Canada?

Canada is annexed into the United States in the year 2053.


Is global warming an actual problem?

No.



Do replicators based on nanotechnology exist?

Eventually, yes. Not now.



What is the dominant mode of travel in 3000AD?

Personal aircraft and teleportation.

[Project]

OK, let's get serious.

1. If you took the effort to come back, you must have some idea how to stop this from happening.. What is your plan? Terminator-type regressive assasinations? Destroying Google/SkyNet? Very long-term educational goals?

2. What is the method of your time travel? Give as many specifics as you feel comfortable with, I can grok.

3. Why is the situation you describe such a disaster? When the mongols ruled much of the earth, or the vikings, was that not a commensurate tyranny? Do most humans die? What makes it such a disaster?

I have lots more questions, don't worry :)

[Project]

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[caveatipse]

1. If you took the effort to come back, you must have some idea how to stop this from happening.. What is your plan? Terminator-type regressive assasinations? Destroying Google/SkyNet? Very long-term educational goals?

Simple: I must warn you who live at this time of these two men that you can stop them. How you do it is your choice, but they must be stopped.

2. What is the method of your time travel? Give as many specifics as you feel comfortable with, I can grok.

Time travel, at least the way we do it, involves traveling at the speed of light. Einstein was relatively correct, if you will excuse the pun.

3. Why is the situation you describe such a disaster? When the mongols ruled much of the earth, or the vikings, was that not a commensurate tyranny? Do most humans die? What makes it such a disaster?

It is a disaster because all of mankind is made to suffer under Draconian rule. We feel it is a disaster because it eliminates all human freedom and makes life miserable. In the year 3000, the average human lifespan becomes about 170-200 years, so there is longer to suffer.

I have lots more questions, don't worry :)

I am happy to answer them. That is why I am here.

[Alpha]

From your perspective are these conceptions within what we term and consider the "Illuminati" or the players of the NWO as we define it today..or in other words is there a specific lineage associated with these "births"?

Wonder if you would be good enough to answer my question above Matthew....like Project, I have many more as well :)

[caveatipse]

Wonder if you would be good enough to answer my question above Matthew....like Project, I have many more as well :)

Hi,
I am happy to answer it the best I can. From what I know of history, the Illuminati are real in this time (2006) and for some time into the future, but they are more harmless than is imagined. They consist mostly of wealthy, white, Western men who try to influence the world stage. However, they do not have enough power to control the world as many believe. They will dissipate by the time that the Revolution is here. The people who foster the Great Revolution, and those they are fighting against, come from these two men I have mentioned who have been, or will be, conceived this year. They have no lineage of note as far as I know. They are simply men born at the right time to fulment the Government I made mention of, or at least, to plant the philosophical and political seeds for those who will come in the future and actually implement it. I hope that helps.

Matthew

[Jeri]

caveatipse-
" come from these two men I have mentioned who have been, or will be, conceived this year."
These two men. Where are they from? What are their names? In what year do they begin to rule?

[Dera]

Caveatipse, what a relief to know our world will still be around for at least another thousand years! :arms: :dance: Do the history books, in the year 3000, talk about "The Rapture" or mention things like, "The End Game of The End Times" as some sources talked about in 2006? :thinking:

[Dera]

Hi,
I am happy to answer it the best I can. From what I know of history, the Illuminati are real in this time (2006) and for some time into the future, but they are more harmless than is imagined. They consist mostly of wealthy, white, Western men who try to influence the world stage. However, they do not have enough power to control the world as many believe. They will dissipate by the time that the Revolution is here. The people who foster the Great Revolution, and those they are fighting against, come from these two men I have mentioned who have been, or will be, conceived this year. They have no lineage of note as far as I know. They are simply men born at the right time to fulment the Government I made mention of, or at least, to plant the philosophical and political seeds for those who will come in the future and actually implement it. I hope that helps.

Matthew


Excuse me please, but I always want to know when I use the wrong word. I don't mean to be critical, just trying to help. Hope you are not sensitive. In regard to "fulment", did you mean:

foment
One entry found for foment.
Main Entry: fo·ment
Pronunciation: 'fO-"ment, fO-'
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, to apply a warm substance to, from Late Latin fomentare, from Latin fomentum compress, from fovEre to heat, soothe; akin to Lithuanian degti to burn, Sanskrit dahati it burns
: to promote the growth or development of : ROUSE, INCITE <foment a rebellion>
synonym see INCITE
- fo·ment·er noun

[Captain Beyond]

The big question is, how do you address, alternate time lines? I could make a decision tomorrow that could effect the entire timeline, by just one choice! How do you come to us as this future, when your cannot know how we will react?

No disrespect, but I can change the entire future by my decisions right now! I can alter the future by what I say and do!

If I am wrong, please correct me!

CB

[Alpha]

The big question is, how do you address, alternate time lines? I could make a decision tomorrow that could effect the entire timeline, by just one choice! How do you come to us as this future, when your cannot know how we will react?

No disrespect, but I can change the entire future by my decisions right now! I can alter the future by what I say and do!

If I am wrong, please correct me!

CB

Excellent question CB....what about multi/paralell universe theory Matthew?

Does that exist?...if so, what parallel universe are you from and if not, why does that not exist or why is that not viable.

Please understand this is not a criticism, however a question of clarification and understanding :)

[caveatipse]

caveatipse-
" come from these two men I have mentioned who have been, or will be, conceived this year."
These two men. Where are they from? What are their names? In what year do they begin to rule?

These two men are born in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. They are only the forerunners. But they plant the seeds of the Government. We know their names are John P. and Richard H. Unfortunately, we do not know their full last names.

[caveatipse]

Caveatipse, what a relief to know our world will still be around for at least another thousand years! :arms: :dance: Do the history books, in the year 3000, talk about "The Rapture" or mention things like, "The End Game of The End Times" as some sources talked about in 2006? :thinking:

I know nothing of those names.

[caveatipse]

Excuse me please, but I always want to know when I use the wrong word. I don't mean to be critical, just trying to help. Hope you are not sensitive. In regard to "fulment", did you mean:

foment
One entry found for foment.
Main Entry: fo·ment
Pronunciation: 'fO-"ment, fO-'
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, to apply a warm substance to, from Late Latin fomentare, from Latin fomentum compress, from fovEre to heat, soothe; akin to Lithuanian degti to burn, Sanskrit dahati it burns
: to promote the growth or development of : ROUSE, INCITE <foment a rebellion>
synonym see INCITE
- fo·ment·er noun


You are probably correct. In the year 3,000, and in the year that I was born and grew up, English as you know it will/did not exist, so it is as a foreign language to me.

[caveatipse]

The big question is, how do you address, alternate time lines? I could make a decision tomorrow that could effect the entire timeline, by just one choice! How do you come to us as this future, when your cannot know how we will react?

No disrespect, but I can change the entire future by my decisions right now! I can alter the future by what I say and do!

If I am wrong, please correct me!

CB

I shall answer this and the realted questions. Please give me a day or two to think about how to explain it. It is a difficult concept, but there is an answer.

[Captain Beyond]

I shall answer this and the realted questions. Please give me a day or two to think about how to explain it. It is a difficult concept, but there is an answer.

Sure, no hurry my friend! Take your time, we been here for 2 years, so we can wait a few days if needed!

CB

[Project]

Time travel, at least the way we do it, involves traveling at the speed of light. Einstein was relatively correct, if you will excuse the pun.

I assume you mean faster than light? Since traveliing at the speed of light would not do anything to alter your timespace as far as I understand it... it would alter it relative to people travelling at different speeds or accelerations, but would not greatly alter your place in time... Am I correct in this assumption?

Do you use a craft to travel at this speed?

[caveatipse]

I assume you mean faster than light? Since traveliing at the speed of light would not do anything to alter your timespace as far as I understand it... it would alter it relative to people travelling at different speeds or accelerations, but would not greatly alter your place in time... Am I correct in this assumption?

Do you use a craft to travel at this speed?

Well, the closer a human being gets to light speed, the more time changes. You do not have to actually exceed light speed. In fact, we do not know if that is possible. Nothing yet measured travels faster than light. But when a human eing actually travels at light speed, his molecules swich from solid material form to their purer energy form. In that energy form, those molecules may be manipulated to slow or even prevent the aging process. But to answer your question, all relative speed differences produce minute changes in time for the traveler. But at actual light speed, that time change is the most dramatic. And, the thing is that we have discovered how to mimic light speed without actually moving. So we do not use personal craft, but rather very large "booths" or "stalls," into which the time traveler enters. I will try to explain in more detail later when I think of how best to do it. Thanks for the questions. Keep asking please. Matthew

[Captain Beyond]

One way to go faster than light is to make the light slower! Light in vacuum travels at a speed c which is a universal constant, but in a dense medium such as water or glass, light slows down to c/n where n is the refractive index of the medium (1.0003 for air, 1.4 for water). It is possible for particles to travel through air or water at faster than the speed of light in the medium.

Does this have any implications to time travel? Perhaps time travel in a liquid medium would make faster than light speed possible. Mebbe even make it easier?

[caveatipse]

One way to go faster than light is to make the light slower! Light in vacuum travels at a speed c which is a universal constant, but in a dense medium such as water or glass, light slows down to c/n where n is the refractive index of the medium (1.0003 for air, 1.4 for water). It is possible for particles to travel through air or water at faster than the speed of light in the medium.

Does this have any implications to time travel? Perhaps time travel in a liquid medium would make faster than light speed possible. Mebbe even make it easier?

Our scientists actually found that this is only a relative illusion, that light actually is not traveling faster in a vacuum or liquid, but only appears that way, as I understand it. As I am a messemger and not a scientist, it ia difficult for me to elaborate more. When I do know, however, is that there is no need. At light speed, we travel through time, and so far it works pretty well.

[Alpha]

A few more question for you Matthew...thanks :)

A)What if anything do you know about John Titor, his claims and legitimacy?

B) Where is your time and space located relative to ours or the way we perceive it?

[bagbear]

Matthew, it is interesting to hear from you but... it seems as though you are passing the moral responsibiities for effecting the changes you want onto others who cannot be sure of all the implications. Can you not act yourself? bb

[caveatipse]

My pleasure to answer all questions the best I can:


A)What if anything do you know about John Titor, his claims and legitimacy?

I know he caused quite a stir on here. I actually do not know him or much about him, except that he sounds like he could indeed be ligitimate.

B) Where is your time and space located relative to ours or the way we perceive it?

I am not sure Iunderstand the question. However, if I do, I guess the answer is that I am in the same time-space continuum as you. I am a human being who lives in linear time in the same universe. The only difference is that I have traveled in time. I hope that helps. Please tell me if I have misunderstood the question.

[caveatipse]

Matthew, it is interesting to hear from you but... it seems as though you are passing the moral responsibiities for effecting the changes you want onto others who cannot be sure of all the implications. Can you not act yourself? bb


This is an excellent question, and one that I expected. The answer is that I am designated as Messenger for the Resistance. I am not an Assasin or a Spy. All I am authorized to do is deliver the message. We do have Assasins and other agents who are also on the case. However, we are having trouble finding the two men (babies at this point), if they have even been born. We know only that they shall be born sometime in 2006. Our reasoning is that, with many more people who live in this time looking for them, there is a better chance of finding them. So yes, you are right. If we can find them, then we have the moral obligation to somehow change the outcome of their lives. But we have yet to find them.

Matthew

[Alpha]

My pleasure to answer all questions the best I can.

I am not sure I understand the question. However, if I do, I guess the answer is that I am in the same time-space continuum as you. I am a human being who lives in linear time in the same universe. The only difference is that I have traveled in time. I hope that helps. Please tell me if I have misunderstood the question.

Thanks Matthew.

I'm not a physicist nor a scientist therefore perhaps I misunderstand the space time continuum.

However that said, let me attempt to rephrase. Since the "time-space continuum" combines three-dimensional space and one-dimensional time into a single construct, how do you fragment that to travel?

Also where does your 3rd dimensional space lie relative to our 3rd dimensional space....integreated with it...on top of it...beside it? Is there a magnetic or frequency (vibrational) component to it.

I have more questions, dependent on your response. :)

[Captain Beyond]

Is the universe bigger or smaller than we know it to be now? Has the expansion continued, or has it slowed down to any measurable degree?

Also, what is the current best theory on the universe? What has replaced superstring theory?

What dramatic climatic changes have occurred in the near 1,000 years? Great earth changes etc.?

Thanks for your reply in advance!

[caveatipse]

Thanks Matthew.

I'm not a physicist nor a scientist therefore perhaps I misunderstand the space time continuum.

However that said, let me attempt to rephrase. Since the "time-space continuum" combines three-dimensional space and one-dimensional time into a single construct, how do you fragment that to travel?

Also where does your 3rd dimensional space lie relative to our 3rd dimensional space....integreated with it...on top of it...beside it? Is there a magnetic or frequency (vibrational) component to it.

I have more questions, dependent on your response. :)



Ok now I think I understand. Well, it is not so much that space is three dimensions and time one, but that time is the fourth dimension in the enetire system. It is a part of the system, integral with length, width, and height. Like a mathematical equation, time is one variable of several (there are seven total dimensions). Thus, to alter it affects the others, but the equation may still be balanced by manipulating it to affect the seventh dimension, which is emotion, rather than the first three. This is why time travel is so difficult on the traveler. But by altering emotion, we affect a variable that so far does not seem to matter except to the traveler. Thus, space is not affected. We are living in the same space as you, just at a different time.

[caveatipse]

My pleasure:

Is the universe bigger or smaller than we know it to be now? Has the expansion continued, or has it slowed down to any measurable degree?

In terms of physical space, it is infinite, and always has been, thus it is not bigger or smaller. The expansion of known matter, however, has continued. But 1,000 years is not really significant in terms of the large numbers that govern the universe, so there are no real noticeable changes.


Also, what is the current best theory on the universe? What has replaced superstring theory?

Current theory is remarkably similar to superstring. We know that indeed everything that we know as matter is simply energetic forces in relation to one another. There is not really any true matter. It is all energy, just in a different relative juxtaposition to itself.

What dramatic climatic changes have occurred in the near 1,000 years? Great earth changes etc.?

There have been a few major volcanoes, and periods of cold and then hot, but you would recognize the climate in the year 3,000 as basically the same as now, except ust a little bit hotter.
Matthew

[Alpha]

Ok now I think I understand. Well, it is not so much that space is three dimensions and time one, but that time is the fourth dimension in the enetire system. It is a part of the system, integral with length, width, and height. Like a mathematical equation, time is one variable of several (there are seven total dimensions). Thus, to alter it affects the others, but the equation may still be balanced by manipulating it to affect the seventh dimension, which is emotion, rather than the first three. This is why time travel is so difficult on the traveler. But by altering emotion, we affect a variable that so far does not seem to matter except to the traveler. Thus, space is not affected. We are living in the same space as you, just at a different time.

Thanks Matthew :)

So are you saying then that I higher level of consciousness, awareness...perhaps a meditative state allow one to perceive your "space" without any physicality of travel?

Some theorize today, that there perhaps are 11- 12 dimensions, not just 7.

How do you call / name these dimensions and how would or do you describe them in your time. Are you able to travel freely through and to them? If yes, how?

[caveatipse]

Thanks Matthew :)

So are you saying then that I higher level of consciousness, awareness...perhaps a meditative state allow one to perceive your "space" without any physicality of travel?

Some theorize today, that there perhaps are 11- 12 dimensions, not just 7.

How do you call / name these dimensions and how would or do you describe them in your time. Are you able to travel freely through and to them? If yes, how?

No, actually the space we live in is the same space you live in. There is merely a variable change -- that of time. So it is literally the same space. The seven dimensions that have been proved by the year 3,000 (though there are of course more theorized) are:

1. length
2. width
3. height
4. time
5. relative position
6. energy
7. emotion

[Captain Beyond]

I have a question and it is not necessarily time travel related, but since you say you come from the future, your common knowledge and level of understanding should enlighten us perhaps.

Our science today suggests an approximate age of 13 to 14 billion years,and as I mentioned earlier,we can observe the galaxies getting farther and farther apart for as far as we can see.

My questions then is this, if the "Big Bang" is correct and we can see the near beginnings of the creation of the universe,shouldn't we see something quite different than this huge expanding universe? Should we not see a very small universe since we are essentially looking back in time? Does this not contradict the big bang theory? If so, what is the correct or current best theory?

[caveatipse]

I have a question and it is not necessarily time travel related, but since you say you come from the future, your common knowledge and level of understanding should enlighten us perhaps.

Our science today suggests an approximate age of 13 to 14 billion years,and as I mentioned earlier,we can observe the galaxies getting farther and farther apart for as far as we can see.

My questions then is this, if the "Big Bang" is correct and we can see the near beginnings of the creation of the universe,shouldn't we see something quite different than this huge expanding universe? Should we not see a very small universe since we are essentially looking back in time? Does this not contradict the big bang theory? If so, what is the correct or current best theory?

You flatter me, but remember that I am not a scientist, only a Messenger. But I will try to answer based on the knowledge of the future.
You seem to be right, that, if we are looking back in time, we should see a smaller universe. This is why several scientists have proposed a contracting universe, or one that expands and contracts again and again. In terms of the ultimate origin, no one knows still, and may never. How could anyone know for sure exactly what happened billions of years ago? The Big Bang is still a viable theory, but our scientists have also come to propose the eternity of matter, i.e. that there was no creation at all, but that what we know as matter and the universe (which is actually only energy) has simply always existed, without beginning or end. This does not make sense to our minds, but that does not mean it is not possible.

[Alpha]

No, actually the space we live in is the same space you live in. There is merely a variable change -- that of time. So it is literally the same space. The seven dimensions that have been proved by the year 3,000 (though there are of course more theorized) are:

1. length
2. width
3. height
4. time
5. relative position
6. energy
7. emotion

I was referring to dimensions from a more esoteric point of view.

What I was referring to in addition to what you write is:

8. astral plane with subdimensions or planes
9. mental plane
10. causal plane
11. The source dimension of all of the above

[bagbear]

This is an excellent question, and one that I expected. The answer is that I am designated as Messenger for the Resistance. I am not an Assasin or a Spy. All I am authorized to do is deliver the message. We do have Assasins and other agents who are also on the case. However, we are having trouble finding the two men (babies at this point), if they have even been born. We know only that they shall be born sometime in 2006. Our reasoning is that, with many more people who live in this time looking for them, there is a better chance of finding them. So yes, you are right. If we can find them, then we have the moral obligation to somehow change the outcome of their lives. But we have yet to find them.

Matthew
I hate to spoil all the fun science questions:shhh: but I would feel better if you had not mentioned Assassins. It is sad but not unexpected - that technology can progress so far, and yet people are still willing to kill babies to further a political agenda. If you do not find these children, will you then blow up Cincinnati? Ohio? The entire East Coast? And surely anything so obvious could be noticed and undone by your enemy. Perhaps by traveling to the far future, you could find a more subtle and nonviolent solution. Or perhaps they are still no better than we are! Still "Death to all Tyrants" and may the Good prevail:rambo:

[caveatipse]

I hate to spoil all the fun science questions:shhh: but I would feel better if you had not mentioned Assassins. It is sad but not unexpected - that technology can progress so far, and yet people are still willing to kill babies to further a political agenda. If you do not find these children, will you then blow up Cincinnati? Ohio? The entire East Coast? And surely anything so obvious could be noticed and undone by your enemy. Perhaps by traveling to the far future, you could find a more subtle and nonviolent solution. Or perhaps they are still no better than we are! Still "Death to all Tyrants" and may the Good prevail:rambo:

You have a very valid point. Assasination is not our only answer, but we must keep it as a viable one. Could Hitler have been assasinated at a younger age, would it have been better? The Resistance says yes, though I completely understand how good, fair-minded people would disagree.

[bagbear]

My opinion only, but as long as you believe this, you will be endlessly slaves of your past. bb

[Project]

wouldn't it be better to give Hitler a Jewish best friend, or arrange to have his life saved by a Jew?

Hehe, morality aside, let's assume you are as brutal and human as we are even 1000 years from now.

Have you tried googling for these guys? Maybe there are other rogue groups here trying to accomplish either the same thing, or to thwart your plans?

[caveatipse]

Well, you all make some good points. Even in the future, people are people. But remember, we are dealing with afuture that is, at this point, set. Giving Hitler a Jewish best friend may or may not have changed him. It may have made him worse. Who knows? Assassinating him, however, would have guaranteed that he would have been stopped. Again, I understand that assassination is a drastic measure, and that all human life has value. However, these two men and their philosophical ideas will so terribly harm the world and all people, that the Resistance sees their deaths as a viable possibility, and a real solution.

[Captain Beyond]

Can you address the "Paradox" issue? As I understand it, the only way to get around it is with alternative time lines. Can you elaborate on this issue?

[caveatipse]

Can you address the "Paradox" issue? As I understand it, the only way to get around it is with alternative time lines. Can you elaborate on this issue?


I will try my best. As I understand it, and in line with what I mentioned earlier, time is only one factor in a giant equation. When one variable on one side of an equation is altered, then something on the other side, some othe variable, must be altered as well. There are essentially seven variables (the seven dimensions) in the great equation. Changing one -- time -- requires the equation to balance. And we have found that we can alter the seventh dimension -- emotion -- without harming the others. Now this is hard to grasp, and I do not even really understand it all myself. But I can accept that analogy. So the Paradox issue: by going back in time and changing things that led to my birth, for example, how can I exist? Well, I do not have a satisfying answer unfortunately. All I know is that it defies logic, but it is possible. Again, it is based on the equation analogy.

[Captain Beyond]

Has you time, your science discovered the speed of gravity? No scientist here can tell us. All they can say is " we think it is near the speed of light", but we think is not a very scientific definition by any standards.

If your science has determined this speed, what is it and what is it measured on.

I don't expect you to be a scientist, but we do know here in this time that the speed of light is measured by precise observations under laboratory conditions. Light can be generated, projected, and the time to reception calculated precisely.

So, my question is, what is the speed of gravity, and if you can tell me and elaborate on our current lack of understanding of gravity, and what are it's properties? Is it waves, some yet unknown particle besides photons, or just what is it and how do you measure it's speed and define it's characteristics?

Thanks

CB

[caveatipse]

Has you time, your science discovered the speed of gravity? No scientist here can tell us. All they can say is " we think it is near the speed of light", but we think is not a very scientific definition by any standards.

If your science has determined this speed, what is it and what is it measured on.

I don't expect you to be a scientist, but we do know here in this time that the speed of light is measured by precise observations under laboratory conditions. Light can be generated, projected, and the time to reception calculated precisely.

So, my question is, what is the speed of gravity, and if you can tell me and elaborate on our current lack of understanding of gravity, and what are it's properties? Is it waves, some yet unknown particle besides photons, or just what is it and how do you measure it's speed and define it's characteristics?

Thanks

CB

Ah, a brilliant question. Yes, we have discovered that the speed of gravity is as close to the speed of light as possible without actually reaching that speed. We have found that gravity is a force in all particles of matter that is related to the oneness of all matter. It is a force that is based on the energy of the vibrating string. So it is neither a wave nor a particle, but a force.

[bagbear]

I will try my best. As I understand it, and in line with what I mentioned earlier, time is only one factor in a giant equation. When one variable on one side of an equation is altered, then something on the other side, some othe variable, must be altered as well. There are essentially seven variables (the seven dimensions) in the great equation. Changing one -- time -- requires the equation to balance. And we have found that we can alter the seventh dimension -- emotion -- without harming the others. Now this is hard to grasp, and I do not even really understand it all myself. But I can accept that analogy. So the Paradox issue: by going back in time and changing things that led to my birth, for example, how can I exist? Well, I do not have a satisfying answer unfortunately. All I know is that it defies logic, but it is possible. Again, it is based on the equation analogy.

I always think that to defy logic should be as acceptible an option as to deify it. But your equation/theory is quite understandable and congruent with current physiological psychology if you think of memory. Memory cannot be formed without an emotional interface, and so effectively, without emotion, we have no past. Probably extendable to the future, and micro to macro to micro. However, I must still argue with your intentions. You think that to do this one thing will solve all your problems. We are such clever monkeys! But a Single Cause Theory of History is problematic, and the Universe will continue to provide us with evil dictators so long as we do not transform our nature. End of sermon - Happy Thansgiving! bb

[Captain Beyond]

Ah, a brilliant question. Yes, we have discovered that the speed of gravity is as close to the speed of light as possible without actually reaching that speed. We have found that gravity is a force in all particles of matter that is related to the oneness of all matter. It is a force that is based on the energy of the vibrating string. So it is neither a wave nor a particle, but a force.

Ah, if that be the case, sounds like a wonderful power source. If so, how is it used, (on a simplified level)

[Project]

Well, you all make some good points. Even in the future, people are people. But remember, we are dealing with afuture that is, at this point, set. Giving Hitler a Jewish best friend may or may not have changed him. It may have made him worse. Who knows? Assassinating him, however, would have guaranteed that he would have been stopped. Again, I understand that assassination is a drastic measure, and that all human life has value. However, these two men and their philosophical ideas will so terribly harm the world and all people, that the Resistance sees their deaths as a viable possibility, and a real solution.

But then who is to say Mengele or Hesse or Goehring would not be the fuhrer? Is Hitler a person or a social consciousness that HAD to be manifested, as you say your future is set.

If you kill your grandfather, maybe someone with identically compatible genetics impregnates your grandmother instead?

[Marlantis Buzz]

I just found this thread yesterday and logging in that I've read it and comparing certain matters of interest. :cool:

[lastconundrum]

Let's see... you go back in time and you desperately want people to believe who you are. How about telling them about a soon to happen event that isn't affected by human actions, such as "volcano --- will erupt on --- date" or "there'll be an earthquake of magnitude --- at --- on --- date"? Naw, too easy.

Sorry, bunch of BS.

[Mcnowhere]

Let's see... you go back in time and you desperately want people to believe who you are. How about telling them about a soon to happen event that isn't affected by human actions, such as "volcano --- will erupt on --- date" or "there'll be an earthquake of magnitude --- at --- on --- date"? Naw, too easy.

Sorry, bunch of BS.
Facinating thread but highly unlikely. My question would be, why would this person not know the last names of the 2 antichrists who were born in 2006?

[Marlantis Buzz]

Facinating thread but highly unlikely. My question would be, why would this person not know the last names of the 2 antichrists who were born in 2006?

Thoughts...

If this is real thus far, I'd wonder if this is a test of an (OUR) alternative world line created to thus see the out come and if such out come is favored by those making it (discovering it ?) and altering it, they would be able to move to it and escape the one they are in. If so, we probably are not the master world...master recording...deep, yes this is deep but worth thinking on. Such actions might fall under WARS OF GODS AND MEN...not the book so much but the title.

I complement all those members invoved with questions. Not one has asked selfish questions as we saw with the TITOR case.

As for the last name issue. I suspect that issue is more directed toward a limited group of person(s) that they would understand...or if not, perhaps orphen issue is invoved here in an odd way wherein, our alternative world line that might have just split recenty didn't provide an answer yet for our Matthew to respond upon from under the direction of whom he answers to.

Now, when time travel is invoved, I have to ask myself...does the person in transit hold a soul? Or is he a duplication of the real...wherein, the transportation may not take place unless a sample of there body/DNA/ is available for record to re-appear/rebuild/re-construct at the receiving end. Perhaps mummy is a clue for us to use in finally figuring that out when the time comes. Anubis comes to mind.

Never the less, this whole thing would continue to support the goal of the games we tackle...life...ahhh maybe I'm saying that too soooooon for even me to understand.

Now....will I receive any comments from Matthew on these issues...let's say within ahhhh 9 hours and ohh let's say 3 minutes just to make things difficult.

Will I, we get credit for the movie...

Or have I just killled my other self in another world line...after birth?


:wizard:

[www.valiens.com]

So in the year 3,000 we're still using the word "shall?"

Why is it that whenever someone writes from the perspective of the future, they sound like they're doing bad Lord Of The Rings dialogue?

[Intervene]

Although I'm a year late replying to this posting (I just found it) I have to say that it's a little difficult to believe.

Look at it hypothetically. You would be unable to think of any better way to influence these events, beyond going back a thousand years, referencing two men in the year they were born, only somewhere on your 5th or 6th posting mentioning their names; you would know the year of their births but not their last name(s); you would post in a forum such as this, as if THIS is the place to go, to influence world events?

Those requiring this type of attention would typically use stronger measures to get their point across. They would more or less force people to believe them. There would be a certain urgency about their mission. So these two guys are born this year - what will anybody here do with this information except wait, 30 years, 40 years, until they become politically active, at which point most reading this stuff will have long forgotten it.

Nobody who was serious about this type of mission would do this. They would get down to business and do what they came here to do. Namely, show up when these two first begin to have an impact, or just go eliminate them at birth somehow.

My vote is, 100% b.s.

[Random]

My Question Matt should you Choose to Confer at this point is What year did we solve the OIL crisis? What Year did our Troops leave Iraq?

[TRAVISJAMES03]

If the future that you are warning is about is still in existence in your time, then nothing was done to prevent it (that or something was done to prevent it and it split into another universe and you are not affected).

[jonah0julian]

Caveatipse so do these two dangerous men live for a thousand years or will they live the current life span?

What will happen to religion in 3000 A.D.?

Have you happen to know anything significant, immense, or exciting that happens between 2000 and 2100?

What will happen in terms of extraterrestrial contact?

[Hadriana]

What if there IS no freaking antichrist because Paul (of Tarsus)was a prick SOB - what if PAUL was the anti-christ? What if HE were the great deciever of the world?

What if Paul (of Damascus, was ACII?)

Now THAT is a theory, that **I** could buy. Works for me.