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Captain Beyond
03-01-2007, 11:22 PM
Actual conversations and comments from the firefighters and rescue people who were at ground zero. The families had to actually take legal action to get these tapes and transcripts.

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Mcnowhere
03-02-2007, 12:45 AM
I will listen tomorrow at work to both of these vids. My computer at home just ain't cooperating. :disgust:

Mcnowhere
03-02-2007, 12:19 PM
I admit I had some doubts that 911 was an inside job. I wanted to keep the door open for something to come in that would prove that is wasn't.

After viewing both of these videos there is no doubt in my mind that this was an inside job. The falling of Bldg. 7 is the most compelling evidence I've seen to date. A person could say that the firefighter's voices on the tapes talking about explosives in the buildings were fake if you wanted to, but there is no getting around building 7 and how it starts to collapse in the middle so that the sides fall inwards and not outwards, a typical demolition. Always wondered why the falling of bldg. 7 was hardly ever shown on TV. This is the first time that I've seen images of this building falling. They saturated us with images of the Twin Towers.

We seldom saw the Pentagon tapes either. There was a lot there that was suspect as well. Maybe when there is a change of government the real truth will be known and the culprits brought to justice.

Alpha
03-02-2007, 02:39 PM
I admit I had some doubts that 911 was an inside job. I wanted to keep the door open for something to come in that would prove that is wasn't.

After viewing both of these videos there is no doubt in my mind that this was an inside job. The falling of Bldg. 7 is the most compelling evidence I've seen to date. A person could say that the firefighter's voices on the tapes talking about explosives in the buildings were fake if you wanted to, but there is no getting around building 7 and how it starts to collapse in the middle so that the sides fall inwards and not outwards, a typical demolition. Always wondered why the falling of bldg. 7 was hardly ever shown on TV. This is the first time that I've seen images of this building falling. They saturated us with images of the Twin Towers.

We seldom saw the Pentagon tapes either. There was a lot there that was suspect as well. Maybe when there is a change of government the real truth will be known and the culprits brought to justice.

McNo, if you havent' seen Von Kleist's video " In Plane Site", here it is:

Duration: 1 hr 12 min 11 sec

-8585976043115686394&q=in+plane+site

Also check out Alex Jone's 911 Road to Tyranny..one of the first and best docs done on the subject:

-6517776133137328105&q=911+road+to+tyranny

Mcnowhere
03-02-2007, 09:32 PM
Alpha...Mercifully it was a slow day at work so I was able to watch the Kleist vid. Will watch the Jones one on Monday.

After I finished watching the Kleist vid, I felt like throwing up. I do not usually pay much attention to conspiracy stuff as there are so many pros and cons from both sides and both have merit. Ya just can't ever seem to get to the truth, therefore, in my mind it is futile to frustrate oneself with it all.

I did go and check out the hoax theories on this one and once again they were there in full glory. One that I read said that the producer's of this vid had in fact, omitted the flame that was seen on impact into the towers, from the original vid as they admitted that it had been enhanced or tampered with. I would like to know your thoughts on this Alph? And anybody else who has some thoughts on this. :thinkerg:

BenSlain
03-03-2007, 11:17 PM
In the Von Kleist's video one of the first interview is of 9News Mike Walters interview with CNN who states " it was like a cruse missile with wings" Then they cut away. This statement is also on every 911 conspiracy page.

They never show you the whole statement.

" I knew it was a big commercial airline. I saw the AA on the side so I knew it was an American Airlines passenger jet. I was surprised at how graceful and slow the banking of the jet appeared to be, and how quickly it accelerated after it had lined up the Pentagon."...Mike Walters

QUESTION: What do you remember most about it?

MIKE WALTER: I just remember thinking that I have to remember all of this; I have to take it all in. I just remember most that it struck very low into the Pentagon. I also will never forget seeing that AA insignia.

QUESTION: Have you ever been approached by people with theories that contradict what you saw?

MIKE WALTER: I’ve only been interviewed by people about this as I described earlier. In fact it seems like I do more interviews about the conspiracy now then I do the attack. It’s strange.

MIKE WALTER: I know a lot of people have different theories about what happened that day. I don’t have any theories, I just have two eyes! I saw what I saw. It was an American Airlines jet that slammed into the Pentagon that day. I have nothing to gain or lose by saying this. The truth is the truth, that’s what happened. The reason why I’ve consented to this interview is because I’ve learned a lot as a result of that day. I’m a guy who grew up reading books, newspapers, and magazines. I’m a guy who watches television and listens to the radio. Those are the mediums that I’m comfortable with and understand. I’ve written for radio, TV, newspapers and even contributed to two books. Having said that, I understand the power of the web, and did before 9-11. But it really hit home afterwards. So many websites have critiqued my words, and added meaning to statements I made by taking them out of context. Some how I’ve been trapped on the World Wide Web and my words have been used to promote this theory or that. I’ve been criticized and critiqued. I’m not sure what the theory will be on this website, in fact I don’t really care what it is. All I know is someone was kind enough to ask me to answer their questions instead of just jumping to conclusions, and for that I thank you. I know people tend to gravitate towards conspiracy theories, I can’t stop them. People will believe what they want to believe, but I know what I saw that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk


Hmmm

lastconundrum
03-04-2007, 07:11 PM
One of my friends still has nightmares about 911; she gets scared if a plane flies low over downtown Manhattan.

Von Kleist comes across as reasonable and believable but, as BenSlain said, some of his "facts" aren't correct. I don't know what to believe.