Tulpas and Native Aliens: From "The Mothman Prophecies"

[Grim Jim]

I recently listened to Tim's BinallofAmerica interview with Mac Tonnies regarding Cryptoterrestrials (excellent interview btw) and it reminded me of a passage that I had read in John Keel's "The Mothman Prophecies".

In a brief nutshell (I'm sure that I am leaving parts out) Mac Tonnies' interview outlined "The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis" which asks the question "could so-called extraterrestrial visitation actually be visitation from entities native to our planet?"

He wonders if these entities might be using or possibly creating the "extraterrestrial" explanation of UFO's as a smoke screen or diversionary tactic to hide the fact that they are an ancient presence native to this planet. John Keel in his book "The Mothman Prophecies" proposes this idea as well as you can see in the scans below.

In addition to this possibility, he brings up another intriguing idea to explain "paranormal" events by introducing a Tibetan concept called tulpas. Tulpas are essentially subconcious thought projections that can take material form.


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Could tulpas be an explanation for many situations that we call paranormal?

Read section III from this excerpt I scanned and tell me what you guys think about the idea of "native aliens" and tulpas...

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[Captain Beyond]

This is quite an interesting topic, and some could argue that it is more plausible than visitors from light years away. Ancient being could have took refuge inside caverns or underground places, or perhaps have had enough time to evolve into inter dimensional beings.

As for the tulpas, I just don't know. I guess I find it hard for manifestations that take on the likeness of what we call "paranormal" without manifestations of many other forms occurring as well. Why would many of our other subconscious thoughts be projected as well? Then again, perhaps we do, and our reality is nothing more than the sum of our collective subconscious minds. If that were the case though, why would we have entire continents living in a reality of death and starvation that we created?

A real head scratcher!

[Alpha]

Most interesting Grim Jim.

I will need to listen to Binnall's program on the topic.

I had forgotten about the concept or theory of the "tulpas"

I guess my first question would be why would the subconscious mind project these types of thoughts/images?

I'd like to learn more about this. I thought I'd share something I was reading today on the subject:



On the Creation of Tulpas

However interested we may feel in the other strange accomplishments with which Tibetan adepts of the secret lore are credited, the creation of thought forms seems by far the most puzzling.
...
Phantoms, as Tibetans describe them, and those that I have myself seen do not resemble the apparitions, which are said to occur during spiritualist séances.


As I have said, some apparitions are created on purpose either by a lengthy process resembling that described in the former chapter on the visualization of Ydam or, in the case of proficient adepts, instantaneously or almost instantaneously. In other cases, apparently the author of the phenomenon generates it unconsciously, and is not even in the least aware of the apparition being seen by others.


However, the practice is considered as fraught with danger for every one who has not reached a high mental and spiritual degree of enlightenment and is not fully aware of the nature of the psychic forces at work in the process.


Once the tulpa is endowed with enough vitality to be capable of playing the part of a real being, it tends to free itself from its maker¹s control. This, say Tibetan occultists, happens nearly mechanically, just as the child, when his body is completed and able to live apart, leaves its mother¹s womb. Sometimes the phantom becomes a rebellious son and one hears of uncanny struggles that have taken place between magicians and their creatures, the former being severely hurt or even killed by the latter.


Tibetan magicians also relate cases in which the tulpa is sent to fulfill a mission, but does not come back and pursues its peregrinations as a half-conscious, dangerously mischievous puppet. The same thing, it is said, may happen when the maker of the tulpa dies before having dissolved it. Yet as a rule the phantom either disappears suddenly at the death of the magician or gradually vanishes like a body that perishes for want of food. On the other hand, some tulpas are expressly intended to survive their creator and are specially formed for that purpose.
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Must we credit these strange accounts of rebellious "materializations", phantoms which have become real beings, or must we reject them all as mere fantastic tales and wild products of imagination?
Perhaps the latter course is the wisest. I affirm nothing. I only relate what I have heard from people whom, in other circumstances, I had found trustworthy, but they may have deluded themselves in all sincerity.
Nevertheless, allowing for a great deal of exaggeration and sensational addition, I could hardly deny the possibility of visualizing and animating a tulpa. Besides having had few opportunities of seeing thought-forms, my habitual incredulity led me to make experiments for myself, and my efforts were attended with some success. In order to avoid being influenced by the forms of the lamaist deities, which I saw daily around me in paintings and images, I chose for my experiment a most insignificant character: a Monk, short and fat, of an innocent and jolly type.


I shut myself in tsams and proceeded to perform the prescribed concentration of thought and other rites. After a few months the phantom Monk was formed. His form grew gradually fixed and lifelike looking. He became a kind of guest, living in my apartment. I then broke my seclusion and started for a tour, with my servants and tents.


The Monk included himself in the party. Though I lived in the open, riding on horseback for miles each day, the illusion persisted. I saw the fat tulpa; now and then it was not necessary for me to think of him to make him appear. The phantom performed various actions of the kind that are natural to travelers and that I had not commanded. For instance, he walked, stopped, looked around him. The illusion was mostly visual, but sometimes I felt as if a robe was lightly rubbing against me, and once a hand seemed to touch my shoulder.


The features which I had imagined, when building my phantom, gradually underwent a change. The fat, chubby-cheeked fellow grew leaner, his face assumed a vaguely mocking, sly, malignant look. He became more troublesome and bold. In brief, he escaped my control. Once, a herdsman who brought me a present of butter saw the tulpa in my tent and took it for a living lama.


I ought to have let the phenomenon follow its course, but the presence of that unwanted companion began to prove trying to my nerves; it turned into a "day-nightmare". Moreover, I was beginning to plan my journey to Lhasa and needed a quiet brain devoid of other preoccupations, so I decided to dissolve the phantom. I succeeded, but only after six months of hard struggle. My mind-creature was tenacious of life.
There is nothing strange in the fact that I may have created my own hallucination. The interesting point is that in these cases of materialization, others see the thought-forms that have been created.

Alexandra David-Neel
Magic and Mystery in Tibet.
University Books Inc., 1965

[Boomer]

On the Creation of Tulpas

They created one of these during the Montauk Project, it ran amuck and destroyed alot of the installation, there's a photo of this being they called the 'Phantom' if memory serves me in one of the Moon-Nichols books on Montauk. They also tried to create an automobile, which they did but it gradually faded away.:robot:

[Grim Jim]

The Tulpa's are definitely an interesting topic, however it seems like the subject of a native intelligence (variously named Ultraterrestrials, Cryptoterrestrials, etc.) has been cropping up in everything I read lately.

After rereading John Keel's "Mothman Prophecies" I finally got around to reading the last few chapters of "The Hunt For the Skinwalker" and what do you think was talked about in the first chapter I left off on?

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Not long after reading this I rewatched the ending of the movie "The Forgotten" which happened to be playing on Fox last night. If you haven't watched it yet and don't want the ending revealed to you then read no further...

SPOILER ALERT---SPOILER ALERT---SPOILER ALERT---SPOILER ALERT---




At the end of the movie they reveal that the people who took Julianne Moore's child are a group of beings who either look human or can take human form. Gary Sinese tells Julianne's character that they have been here a very long time on this planet, perhaps forever. He says that he is one of the few humans that know about them. They cannot be stopped and the best that he can do is to minimize the damage they create when conducting their "experiments". The experiment that this particular being was conducting was to determine if the bond between mother and child can be dissolved. For whatever reason Julianne was the only mother in the experiment who never forgot her son no matter the means that "they" used to try and dissolve the bond.

At the risk of sounding weirder than I already do, it is like fate has put this topic in front of me everywhere I turn :scratchch . I have been looking into the paranormal since I was a kid in the 70's (not as long as some of you I suppose) and for whatever reason this concept of of a race of ancient beings native to Earth has never come up on my radar. Now it seems to be everywhere I turn...

[Boomer]

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Not to take anything from this thread but I find a remarkable resemblance of this drawing with that of my former mother-in-law who at this moment if we do indeed have a 'Just God' now resides in the Bowels of the Abyss.

[maryals]

Well this is very interesting. I know nothing about this so I am just jumping in, like a kid filled with simple questions.
For example, if this Being created by, lessay my Imagination and whatever, starts acting up because it wants to be free, then, instead of dissolving it, why couldn't I just set it free?
I mean, if the reason it becomes mean and nasty is because it wants it's freedom, like any caged animal might act that just wants to be free, why couldn't I just say, "Ok, you are set free from me"?
Is there any empirical evidence that shows that, if set free, this Being would continue being troublesome?

Thanks :)

MaryAlice I wanna go home :very_first_smiley:

[Grim Jim]

MaryAlice: I really don't know much about them as I only first read about them recently. I would imagine that if the scanned story above about the Tulpa (which is in the form of "The Shadow" from the classic radio drama) is true then the entity can outlive its creator.

Boomer:: :lmao: IDK where that pic came from (I suspect a little bit of Alpha's magic). Too funny :lmao:

Did anyone get a chance to give the Cryptoterrestrial episode of Binnallofamerica a listen yet? Click here for the show... (http://www.binnallofamerica.com/boaa3.17.7.html)

[DarkoMarco]

I'm new here, but not new to this subject.
I'm not personally fond of the "Tulpa" explanation as presented by Keel. I think it is kind of just another attempt to take limited data and formulate it into something that is consumer friendly. The high strangeness that swirls in abundance is going to be of varied sources that make the minds exposed to these sources truly bend.

I do not think one size will fit all. Quite the contrary, I believe explanations will be as varied as there are high strangeness encounters to report.

Further more, in Keel's "mothman" book, the instances of high strangeness are geographically centralized to a small town in West Virginia, which, the Native American population has been reporting similiar instances of since before white settlers arrived here.
Similiar instances of strangeness were reported by George Knapp and Colm Keheller in thier book, "hunt for the skinwalker". The strangeness occured in north eastern Utah.


I like your Cthulu Avatar at the bottom of your page headings. It brings to my mind the story by HP Lovecraft called "The Mound" I highly suggest it, you can find it free on the internet now days. The story is very much iin line with what you discuss as far as earth bound beings whom we may mistakingly refer to as extra terestrials. The story is concerned with a geographically specific area,,,,(just like "Mothman" and "hunt for the skinwalker") an opening in Olkahoma guarded by various sentinals that take wild imaginitive forms to scare off intruders. The opening guarded by the sentinals leads to a subteranean city of terribly ancient and sophisticated beings whose technology and personal devolopment would make us mistake them for Gods.

[fabucat]

Hi DarkoMarco! I really enjoy the depth and breadth of your knowledge. Thank you!

[Dakota]

I'm new here, but not new to this subject.
I'm not personally fond of the "Tulpa" explanation as presented by Keel. I think it is kind of just another attempt to take limited data and formulate it into something that is consumer friendly. The high strangeness that swirls in abundance is going to be of varied sources that make the minds exposed to these sources truly bend.

I do not think one size will fit all. Quite the contrary, I believe explanations will be as varied as there are high strangeness encounters to report.

Further more, in Keel's "mothman" book, the instances of high strangeness are geographically centralized to a small town in West Virginia, which, the Native American population has been reporting similiar instances of since before white settlers arrived here.
Similiar instances of strangeness were reported by George Knapp and Colm Keheller in thier book, "hunt for the skinwalker". The strangeness occured in north eastern Utah.


I like your Cthulu Avatar at the bottom of your page headings. It brings to my mind the story by HP Lovecraft called "The Mound" I highly suggest it, you can find it free on the internet now days. The story is very much iin line with what you discuss as far as earth bound beings whom we may mistakingly refer to as extra terestrials. The story is concerned with a geographically specific area,,,,(just like "Mothman" and "hunt for the skinwalker") an opening in Olkahoma guarded by various sentinals that take wild imaginitive forms to scare off intruders. The opening guarded by the sentinals leads to a subteranean city of terribly ancient and sophisticated beings whose technology and personal devolopment would make us mistake them for Gods.

I think someone should have some of the elders come and talk about this. Mabye someone like Red Elk is he's still around or one of the Hopi Elders. Been a while since any of them have been on a show. Knapp should do the show too because of his book and research. He knows more about it than George does.

[DarkoMarco]

I think someone should have some of the elders come and talk about this. Mabye someone like Red Elk is he's still around or one of the Hopi Elders. Been a while since any of them have been on a show. Knapp should do the show too because of his book and research. He knows more about it than George does.

For real,,,,,,,that would be awesome :yup::yup:

The terra papers (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/The_Terra_Papers_Parts_1_and_2.pdf)

written by robert morning sky, tells the story of how an alien supposedly crash landed on a reservation and was hidden there by the natives. It's entertaining if nothing else, but agrees with a lot of stuff out there

[Dakota]

For real,,,,,,,that would be awesome :yup::yup:

The terra papers (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/The_Terra_Papers_Parts_1_and_2.pdf)

written by robert morning sky, tells the story of how an alien supposedly crash landed on a reservation and was hidden there by the natives. It's entertaining if nothing else, but agrees with a lot of stuff out there

Tx for the link man. Awesome!! That file is HUGE. Can't wait to read this stuff.