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Alpha
11-11-2007, 02:04 PM
I'm sure this is being done already, however here is one article that supports human cloning under certain criteria.

Do you support human cloning? If so why?...if not...why?

Where does the human soul/essense...whatever one calls it, if one exists fit in to this, when we begin to manufacture "humans" just to harvest them?

What do you think?

World should ban human cloning, except medical: U.N.

Source: Reuters

OSLO (Reuters) - The world should quickly ban cloning of humans and only allow exceptions for strictly controlled research to help treat diseases such as diabetes or Alzheimer's, a U.N. study said on Sunday.

Without a ban, experts at the U.N. University's Institute of Advanced Studies said that governments would have to prepare legal measures to protect clones from "potential abuse, prejudice and discrimination".

"A legally-binding global ban on work to create a human clone, coupled with freedom for nations to permit strictly controlled therapeutic research, has the greatest political viability of options available," the study said.

"Whichever path the international community chooses it will have to act soon -- either to prevent reproductive cloning or to defend the human rights of cloned individuals," said A.H. Zakri, head of the Institute, which is based in Yokohama, Japan.

Almost all governments oppose human cloning and more than 50 have legislation outlawing cloning. But negotiations about an international ban collapsed in 2005 because of disagreements over research cloning, also known as therapeutic cloning.

Research cloning can produce tissues that are a perfect genetic match of a person and so help grow cells to treat diseases such as strokes, spinal injuries, diabetes, Parkinson's or Alzheimer's, according to the study, which was made available in Oslo.

The United Nations in 2005 agreed a non-binding declaration to ban human cloning but left many ambiguities. "The declaration in itself is not an adequate response," said Brendan Tobin, an author of the study from the National University of Ireland.

"This has left us in a situation where maverick scientists can carry on with their research and that is likely to lead to an eventual cloning," he told Reuters.

The authors said laws should grant clones full human rights to protect from discrimination.

Otherwise, opponents of clones in an inheritance dispute, for instance, might say that a clone and the person from whom their cells were grown should only get a half share each.

"In the same way as an identical twin is an individual, a clone would be an individual," Tobin said.

The report noted that clones have been made of mice, sheep, pigs, cows and dogs and that U.S. researchers last year achieved the first cloning of a primate -- a rhesus monkey embryo cloned from adult cells and then grown to generate stem cells.

It said that national bans on cloning could be skirted since researchers could simply move elsewhere.

"Disgraced South Korean medical researcher Woo Sook Hwang, whose human clone claims were unsubstantiated, reportedly continues his work in Thailand," the U.N. study said.

Divinorumus
11-11-2007, 02:56 PM
Is this for us to decide? Why not ask the clones about all this? Shouldn't they have the final say in all this? Why do some humans think they have a right to determine and control the fate of another? I'd love to have a whole army of cloned me.

Random
11-11-2007, 03:01 PM
I think they should bad Whole Human cloning COMPLEATLY ,,BUT if they can Clone a Persons OWN organs from Healthy cells it could save ALLOT of lives and organ Donation would not be as Crucial as it now is.


But On a Conspritital note (Project your gonna love this ;) ) When a Soldier goes into the Service since the Inception of DNA testing DNA samples have been taken form our fighting Men and Women(to Prevent unknown Soldiers). I got to thinking about it For a long time I thought A take over by the Illuminati or one world government would be an impossibility because the amount of people they would need to enforce it would be huge and as Americans our men and women of the Military service would not go along with the subjugation of the general population..But then I remembered the Samples (DNA) That have been taken from every Man and Woman who has Joined the Service in the past 15-20 years Imagine them using that DNA to Clone an Army of there Own Raised and taught by them for complete Obedience (If anyone has seen the Movie SOLDIER with Kurt Russell this is kinda what I am picturing people who do not value freedom librity or anything else in our constitution because they were raised to fight and Follow Orders PERIOD that many people brainwashed with absolutely NO Values wow its Scary and you know if I have thought of it...Im sure they have.

Phil

Alpha
11-20-2007, 11:29 AM
Is this for us to decide? Why not ask the clones about all this? Shouldn't they have the final say in all this? Why do some humans think they have a right to determine and control the fate of another? I'd love to have a whole army of cloned me.

Does the beg the question of who the "creator' or "creators" are?

Even so.....cloning flesh is short of cloning a "being"....what inhabits this cloned entity relative to essence/soul/energy or whatever one calls it?

Alpha
11-20-2007, 11:50 AM
I think they should ban Whole Human cloning COMPLEATLY ,,BUT if they can Clone a Persons OWN organs from Healthy cells it could save ALLOT of lives and organ Donation would not be as Crucial as it now is.




Phil

I agree with you Random...something about the entire human cloning topic doesn't sit well with...both with the physical and spiritual aspect.

Organ cloning though would be a godsend...I doubt if the pharmaceutical cartel would like that though....think of all the Rx's that would no longer be required ;)

Divinorumus
11-20-2007, 09:22 PM
Does the beg the question of who the "creator' or "creators" are?

Even so.....cloning flesh is short of cloning a "being"....what inhabits this cloned entity relative to essence/soul/energy or whatever one calls it?

On second thought, put me down for a dozen of them clones, and call me when my stem cells are ready. Oh, and add another dozen or so to become my domestic servants too. Well heck, if I'm paying for them they are mine to do with as I please and . . . . and . . . hey, you're pretty cute. I'll trade you two of my clones for one of yours.

VOguy
11-20-2007, 09:28 PM
Interesting concept, Div. There are those in science who feel that not only can they clone a beautiful person, but also manipulate traits so you could have a "perfect person".

I can just see Dera ordering a Chippendale guy who doesn't fart on the couch or complain about taking out the garbage. :)

Which begs the question, I wonder what traits people would place at the top of the list for their "specialize" clone.

Dera
11-20-2007, 10:02 PM
Interesting concept, Div. There are those in science who feel that not only can they clone a beautiful person, but also manipulate traits so you could have a "perfect person".

I can just see Dera ordering a Chippendale guy who doesn't fart on the couch or complain about taking out the garbage. :)

Which begs the question, I wonder what traits people would place at the top of the list for their "specialize" clone.

Hmmm. I've always thought it is wrong to fool with Mother Nature, but you are definitely beginning to give me something to reconsider....


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Divinorumus
11-20-2007, 10:21 PM
Hmmm. I've always thought it is wrong to fool with Mother Nature, but you are definitely beginning to give me something to reconsider....


Make sure he can beat his chest without inadvertently punching himself in the face first. The human gene pool is in enough trouble already. And, you might want to check his loafers too and spare yourself some disappointment.

Dera
11-20-2007, 10:39 PM
Make sure he can beat his chest without inadvertently punching himself in the face first. The human gene pool is in enough trouble already. And, you might want to check his loafers too and spare yourself some disappointment.




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Divinorumus
11-20-2007, 10:55 PM
Thank goodness for gene slicing. "Science announces the discovery of the Dera gene. There is now hope after all:" :yup: :biggrinjester: Tomorrows woes: "Science calls for stricter control of medical waste." ;)

Alpha
05-12-2008, 07:58 AM
One has to wonder how many of these so called "experiments" have not been aborted and home many genetically "altered" humans are walking on this planet, bu the human hand of science?

From: timesonline.uk


Scientist team creates first GM human embryo
Sarah-Kate Templeton

Scientists have created what is believed to be the first genetically modified (GM) human embryo.

A team from Cornell University in New York produced the GM embryo to study how early cells and diseases develop. It was destroyed after five days.

The British regulator, the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA), has warned that such controversial experiments cause “large ethical and public interest issues”.

News of the development comes days before MPs are to debate legislation that would allow scientists to use similar techniques in this country.

The effects of changing an embryo would be permanent. Genes added to embryos or reproductive cells, such as sperm, will affect all cells in the body and will be passed on to future generations.

The technology could potentially be used to correct genes which cause diseases such as cystic fibrosis, haemophilia and even cancer. In theory, any gene that has been identified could be added to embryos.

Ethicists warn that genetically modifying embryos could lead to the addition of genes for desirable traits such as height, intelligence and hair colour.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, which will have its second reading this week, will make it legal to create GM embryos in Britain.

The bill will allow GM embryos to be created only for research and will ban implantation in the womb. Ethicists, however, say that the legislation could be relaxed in the future.

The HFEA has said that it is preparing for scientists to apply for licences to create GM embryos. A paper, published by the authority, states: “The bill has taken away all inhibitions on genetically altering human embryos for research. The Science and Clinical Advances Group [of the HFEA] thought there were large ethical and public interest issues and that these should be referred for debate.”

The Cornell team, led by Nikica Zaninovic, used a virus to add a gene, a green fluorescent protein, to an embryo left over from in vitro fertilisation.

The research was presented at a meeting of the American Society of Reproductive Medicine last year but details have emerged only after the HFEA highlighted the work in a review of the technology.

Zaninovic pointed out that in order to be sure that the new gene had been inserted and the embryo had been genetically modified, scientists would ideally need to grow the embryo and carry out further tests.

The Cornell team did not have permission to allow the embryo to progress, however.

Scientists argue that the embryos could be used to study how diseases develop. They also say GM embryos could be more efficient in generating stem cells.

However, Dr David King, director of Human Genetics Alert, warned: “This is the first step on the road that will lead to the nightmare of designer babies and a new eugenics. The HFEA is right to say that the creation and legalisation of GM embryos raises ‘large ethical and public interest issues’ but neglects to mention that these have not been debated at all.”

He added: “I have been speaking to MPs all week and no one knows that the government is legalising GM embryos. The public has had enough of scientists sneaking these things through and then presenting us with a fait accompli.”

WolfPa
05-13-2008, 09:32 AM
"The Island" comes to mind in all this. If you haven't seen it yet. See it, it's and eye openner on Human cloneing.