What the heck is Endeavour doing right now? [Archive] - Imaginative Worlds Paranormal and Supernatural Forum

johnlear

03-12-2008, 10:56 AM

March 12, 2008 0751 PDT: What Is Endeavour Doing Right Now?

Endeavour has now been in space about 32 hours. Since it only takes 9 minutes to achieve orbit and another 30 minutes to dock, what has Endeavour been doing with the other 31 hours?

And since she is not going to dock until tonight at 11:25 EDT what did she do during that 45 hours from launch?

The NASA disinformation artists would have you believe that all of this time has been spent catching up with the International Space Station. This, of course, is disinformation to keep you, the public, from knowing the truth.

And the truth is that Endeavour, like all other Space Shuttles since its first launch in April of 1981 has been dropping off and picking up cargo from our secret space platforms of which there are about 12.

These secret space platforms include weapons and manufacturing platforms. The weapons platforms are the same as the one used to destroy the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 killing 3000 Americans, when we attacked ourselves to create a threat which did not exist.

The orbiting manufacturing platforms are used to manufacture materials used in the construction of secret military aerial craft and sea going vessels including submarines.

The specifics of the material which comes in bars, extrusions, sheet and rolled product will be covered in another article.

During the 45 hours it will take Endeavour to service several space stations the public will listen to NASA describe how the astronauts are going through 'checklists' preparing to dock with the ISS, exercising on stationary bicycles and trying to catch gumdrops in '0' gravity.

Meanwhile, a Russian Progress rocket will have docked carrying 'food and supplies' and it will allegedly be loaded with 'trash' and will be sent to 'burn up' on reentry.

Of course, all of this is nonsense. The Progress rocket brings up raw materials for the manufacturing platforms and additional astronauts required.

The Space Shuttle which was designed for allegedly 10 astronauts probably can carry several more. Space shuttle launches and landings have at least 5 more astronauts aboard than is told to the public by NASA.

Other rockets launched by NASA or the Air Force or the Navy
can take additional astronauts to the orbiting platforms as does Progress.

I estimate that there are about 1500 astronauts orbiting in the various platforms.

Following the STS-123 docking with the ISS the crew will perform a lot of 'busy' work, installing this and checking out that. Any NASA photos of the ISS will exclude that many space tugs and other space vehicles which constantly dock and undock with the ISS.

The public is made to believe that the only visitors to the ISS are the Russian Progress 'garbage can' and the Space Shuttle and every photo you see of the ISS is carefully choreographed to make you believe that is up their 'alone'.

After a stay of 13 days or so the Space Shuttle will undock with the ISS and, although it takes on 35 minutes to deorbit and land at the Kennedy Space Center it will take more than 2 days to do the checklists required and will also include two eight hour rest periods. So you are told.

Of course, this is nonsense. What is really going on is that the Russian Progress, which arrived several days before the Shuttle, has brought up cargo which needs to be distributed to various other space platforms. During the 13 days at ISS those materials are packed on board the Space shuttle and then off loaded to the other platforms during the 2 day period after undocking.

This two day period after undocking is also used to dock with and perform maintenance on various secret satellites.

After the 2 days of secret docking the Space Shuttle will eventually de-orbit and land at Kennedy Space Center.

Out of sight of the prying eyes of the public 10 to fifteen astronauts will deplane and thousands of pounds of highly classified manufactured material will be unloaded.

But all you will see is the smiling faces of the seven astronauts said to have gone on the mission furiously exercising their bicycles and popping their gumdrops.

snowbird

03-12-2008, 11:11 AM

You mean these space platforms? Here's the info on the latest 2...

http://www.rense.com/general81/myst10.htm
http://www.rense.com/general81/myst9.htm

The rest of the info can be found at the following page on the Jeff Rense site:

http://www.rense.com/Datapages/mystmachinedata.htm

Just goes to show you that nowadays, they can try to hide, but won't be able to from some of the people, who will then spread the word. I think that the society we live in know too much... hence, the dumbing down that is going on.

Alpha

03-12-2008, 11:25 AM

These secret space platforms include weapons and manufacturing platforms. The weapons platforms are the same as the one used to destroy the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 killing 3000 Americans, when we attacked ourselves to create a threat which did not exist.

John, if you have discussed the specifics of the above elsewhere, please point me in the right direction.

If not, my question is whether you can elaborate on these technologies, specifically related to 911?

Secondly, why now? Is it your take that they are planning another "act of terrorism", just in time before Bush leaves office?

johnlear

03-12-2008, 12:04 PM

John, if you have discussed the specifics of the above elsewhere, please point me in the right direction.

Please review this Quit Am Complaint filed in New York District Court. I will be posting my Affidavit regarding the Complaint filed on January 28, 2008 with New York District Court within the next few days.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/QuitAm_Complaint_and_Jury_Trial.htm

You must carefully read every single line of the forty pages. So don't try to skim the document.

If not, my question is whether you can elaborate on these technologies, specifically related to 911?

Please review this site:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/index.html

and page down to:

Weapons In Space: The State of the Art

Secondly, why now? Is it your take that they are planning another "act of terrorism", just in time before Bush leaves office?

Of course. We will keep bombing ourselves until people understand just how serious the threat is from Islamo-Fascism. Then maybe they will realize how important it is to deprive them of their liberties in order to protect them from harm. :)

Divinorumus

03-12-2008, 12:30 PM

They are constructing the weight stations which the reptilians must dock with first and weigh and pay for the humans they will be hauling off to the moon for processing and shrink wrapping and then shipped back to their home world delicatessens. And then later those secret platforms will serve as additional safe havens (in addition to the below ground ones on Earth) for when the asteroids hit Earth in 2011 as we transit through the planet cleansing galactic center. :sconf:

johnlear

03-12-2008, 01:11 PM

Divinorumus

03-12-2008, 01:35 PM

Whoaaaaa! I'm impressed!

If you don't count spelling, grammar, punctuation or intellectual content this is the best post I've seen you make Divinoranus! :)

Ditto. ;) So, has anyone photographed any of these platforms yet? I've seen pictures of the shuttles and ISS from backyard amateur astronomers before. With that many astronauts up there, we should be able to easily see these platforms from earth (not to mention getting a radar fix on them too). And the shuttle while it's docked there too. Out of curiosity, where is any of the evidence of all this. I mean, where did all this info come from? Where is the proof? And how did you get a hold of it, John?

Mcnowhere

03-12-2008, 01:43 PM

Hi John...I don't mean to hijack this thread but I would like to ask you a question and as it also concerns weaponry, it may be somewhat appropriate to ask it here.

Do you think that crop circles could be the result of weapons testing from space for precision purposes?

johnlear

03-12-2008, 02:31 PM

Ditto. ;) So, has anyone photographed any of these platforms yet?

You must be joking.

I've seen pictures of the shuttles and ISS from backyard amateur astronomers before.

You must be joking.

With that many astronauts up there, we should be able to easily see these platforms from earth (not to mention getting a radar fix on them too).

You must be joking.

And the shuttle while it's docked there too.

No kidding Sherlock?

Out of curiosity, where is any of the evidence of all this. I mean, where did all this info come from? Where is the proof? And how did you get a hold of it, John?

Normally I try to have consideration for the less informed, but in your case, Div am going to make an exception. :)

Mcnowhere

03-12-2008, 04:06 PM

Do you think that crop circles could be the result of weapons testing from space for precision purposes?

Dumb question...I guess. :disappoin

Divinorumus

03-12-2008, 04:42 PM

Normally I try to have consideration for the less informed, but in your case, Divinoranus I am going to make an exception. :)

Does your mama know you're playing with a computer, ha?

Seriously, you've got to have some evidence to back all this up, right? Or at least some pretty darn convincing clues and insights to have led you to make these claims, right? Would you mind sharing them with us? Or are we to merely take your word on all this? Something? Anything? What convinced you?

You sound upset about being questioned about this, seeing how you put anus at the end of my handle, or are you just another man that needs to be humored? I can accommodate that too if necessary. :yup:

Really, some of these things you claim, such as the WTC being zapped from outer space, demand you lay your proof on the table, or, you're just acting nutty like me sometimes.

Without any convincing proof, or whatever it is you're holding back that led you to believe or know and make these claims, folks are gonna just laugh at you, or assume you're not on our side sharing this proof with us. If you want to be taken seriously, you're gonna have to act serious and lay it all on the table so we won't think you're some kind of disinfo agent or crazy or just having fun with us. So, can you?

I'll admit my 'humans are cattle for the reptilians' idea is an assumption based upon how humans treat and eat so-called lower life forms themselves, but that's all it is, a sad and sorry assumption based on human comparisons.

So, can you put up? Or what?

WolfPa

03-12-2008, 04:55 PM

Not really. Its possible. The idea of space based weapons tested from the shuttle is possible. But public opinion would prohibit it. NASA is a Civil Project.

Divinorumus

03-12-2008, 05:43 PM

Dumb question...I guess. :disappoin

Not a dumb question at all, since crop circles exist. So, if they aren't created by hooligans playing disinfo tricks on everyone, my first off-world guess would be intelligent life upon a faraway planet are doing it with some kind of long range technologies, such as finely focus laser beams which heat the base of the crop plants near the Earth, causing them to become soft and tip over. It seems like a simple means to contact a civilization on a far off planet that most likely wouldn't have the same kind of radio technology to communicate with (if at all). Technically, that (or a similar technology) should be possible. I would doubt they are created by any local aliens that are already here, or by our government intent on wrecking some farmers field just to test a secret weapon.

johnlear

03-12-2008, 05:49 PM

Does your mama know you're playing with a computer, ha?

Mom passed away in 2001.

Seriously, you've got to have some evidence to back all this up, right? Or at least some pretty darn convincing clues and insights to have led you to make these claims, right? Would you mind sharing them with us?

You might try googling F.A.S.T.

Or are we to merely take your word on all this? Something? Anything? What convinced you?

About what?

You sound upset about being questioned about this, seeing how you put anus at the end of my handle, or are you just another old man that needs to be humored? I can accommodate that too if necessary. :yup:

Just another man who needs to be humored. Take a number and get in line please.

Really, some of these things you claim, such as the WTC being zapped from outer space, demand you lay your proof on the table, or, you're just acting nutty like me sometimes.

Start with the Qui Tam Complaint:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/QuitAm_Complaint_and_Jury_Trial.htm

I would sugggest that if you know how to read that you don't skip a line or try to skim. It will help you understand what is going on.

Without any convincing proof, or whatever it is you're holding back that led you to believe or know and make these claims, folks are gonna just laugh at you, or assume you're not on our side sharing this proof with us. If you want to be taken seriously, you're gonna have to act serious and lay it all on the table so we won't think you're some kind of disinfo agent or crazy or just having fun with us. So, can you?

What exactly would you like convincing proof of?

So, can you put up? Or what?

You will have to be a little more specific, can I put up what? Thanks. :)

Divinorumus

03-12-2008, 05:58 PM

John------

I have enthusiastically followed your work closely via ATS and other places.... Thanks so much for posting here and including us in your discussions. :yup:

I, as well as most everyone here, has at one time or another questioned or dis'd outlandish and preposterous claims made by others. So, I'm curious, why this kind of response from you this time on this one? Want me to guess?

A lot of innocent people were killed on 9-11 because of a bunch of demented terrorists, terrorists that have acknowledged and admitted it was them. To deny the apparently obvious is not only insulting and disrespectful to those that died, but begs one to ask just who's side are you on? Why defend the admitted terrorists with such contrived and unsubstantiated accusations that it was your own citizens that did it instead? Why? And, who are you, really?

More proof humanity has surely lost its integrity and soul.

johnlear

03-12-2008, 06:36 PM

I, as well as most everyone here, has at one time or another questioned or dis'd outlandish and preposterous claims made by others. So, I'm curious, why this kind of response from you this time on this one? Want me to guess?

A lot of innocent people were killed on 9-11 because of a bunch of demented terrorists, terrorists that have acknowledged and admitted it was them.

There were no hijackers and no terrorists, and no, nobody has admitted to 911 thus far. There were no planes and no planes crashed. No planes crashed into the World Trade Center. No plane crashed into the Pentagon. No plane crashed into the field at Shanksville. As far as the Bureau of Transportation records show 2 of the alleged planes (Flight 77 and Flight 175) never even took off. It was all a PsyOp.

To deny the apparently obvious is not only insulting and disrespectful to those that died, but begs one to ask just who's side are you on?

My affidavit in support of the Qui Tam Complaint filed in New York District Court on January 28, 2008 states "on behalf of the United States of America". What did your affidavit say and on whose behalf did you submit it; or do you even know what a Qui Tam Complaint is or what is is all about?

Why defend the admitted terrorists with such contrived and unsubstantiated accusations that it was your own citizens that did it instead? Why? And, who are you, really?

Apparently the New York District Court does not agree with you that the accusations were unsubstantiated because they allowed the Complaint to go forward. Here is a list of the defendants:

Defendants. :
SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.;
APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
NuSTATS; COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.;
DATASOURCE, INC.; GEOSTAATS, INC.;
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP;
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC.; AJMAL ABBASI;
EDUARDO KAUSEL; DAVID PARKS;
DAVID SHARP; DANIELE VENEZANO;
JOSEF VAN DYCK; KASPAR WILLIAM;
ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC;
ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C.;
SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & :HEGER, INC.;
S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP;
TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC.;
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.;
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC.;

Any idea what any of them did or who they were? I thought not.

Let me respectfully suggest that before engaging in a debate about which you know nothing that you do a little research.

More proof humanity has surely lost its integrity and soul.

You can't lose a soul. It always ends up on the Moon. :)

Divinorumus

03-12-2008, 08:03 PM

My affidavit in support of the Qui Tam Complaint filed in New York District Court on January 28, 2008 states "on behalf of the United States of America". What did your affidavit say and on whose behalf did you submit it; or do you even know what a Qui Tam Complaint is or what is is all about?

A Qui Tam Complaint is just legal speak for the type of claim filed in court, used by those DEFENDING the government from fraud, such as suing a contractor who has defrauded the government.

And what do you mean by [my] affidavit? Why would I be suing anyone on behalf of our government? I couldn't care any less about our stinking rotten government. Most Qui Tams are filed by those simply looking for a quick and easy and highly profitable out of court settlement. In other words, in most cases, it's a stinking get rich scheme used by those looking to hassle someone until they are paid off to just go the hell away. It's a civil court thang, NOT a criminal court thang. Qui Tam means you're going after money ~ and not looking to lockup any bad guys.

You can't lose a soul. It always ends up on the Moon. :)

R I G H T . (ha) And how do you know that and nobody else can seem to prove and confirm that to say so too? Does anyone else have the facts on where their (or mine for that matter) soul goes after they die? Show me your proof, your convening evidence, so that I too may know like you. Come on, why don't you convince me with whatever convinced you. I'm open minded ~ just prove it, show me ~ otherwise I'll have to close my mind before my brain falls out too.

Seriously folks, I feel like someone is pulling my leg here.

johnlear

03-12-2008, 10:04 PM

A Qui Tam Complaint is just legal speak for the type of claim filed in court, used by those DEFENDING the government from fraud, such as suing a contractor who has defrauded the government.

All you had to say was you didn't know. And didn't care. But now that is obvious.

And what do you mean by [my] affidavit? Why would I be suing anyone on behalf of our government?

That was the point. All I wanted to show was that you didn't even know who was suing who and why.

I couldn't care any less about our stinking rotten government.

Thats pretty obvious. Nor do you obviously care about finding out specifically what is wrong or what you can do about it. You would rather sit back and complain about things you know nothing about.

Most Qui Tams are filed by those simply looking for a quick and easy and highly profitable out of court settlement. In other words, in most cases, it's a stinking get rich scheme used by those looking to hassle someone until they are paid off to just go the hell away.

You obviously haven't read the complaint. Rule Eleven of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for the United States District Courts provides for sanctions which would make it highly unlikely that this is a 'get rich quick' suit but since you haven't read it there is no way for you to see that.

You seem to think that calling our government "stinking and rotten" is good enough without finding out why or who. Not everybody in the government is "stinking and rotten" and I dare say most of those in government are not "stinking and rotten". Generalizations like that typical of the uninformed.

It's a civil court thang, NOT a criminal court thang. Qui Tam means you're going after money ~ and not looking to lockup any bad guys.

Its too bad you won't read the complaint. A civl suit is what leads to the information used for a criminal complaint.

If ever you have the chance to read the Complaint let me know and I will be happy to discuss it with you. :)

Topper

03-13-2008, 12:43 AM

Please review this Quit Am Complaint filed in New York District Court. I will be posting my Affidavit regarding the Complaint filed on January 28, 2008 with New York District Court within the next few days.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/QuitAm_Complaint_and_Jury_Trial.htm

You must carefully read every single line of the forty pages. So don't try to skim the document.

Please review this site:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/index.html

and page down to:

Weapons In Space: The State of the Art

Of course. We will keep bombing ourselves until people understand just how serious the threat is from Islamo-Fascism. Then maybe they will realize how important it is to deprive them of their liberties in order to protect them from harm. :)

This is going to take me a while with my legal dictionary ... Treble Damages
means three times the actual damages.

Where do you find this stuff?

Divinorumus

03-13-2008, 06:12 AM

If ever you have the chance to read the Complaint let me know and I will be happy to discuss it with you. :)

Seriously, do you too really think that video footage of a plane flying into the WTC was a cartoon? You really think the media was in on this energy weapon from space cover-up deal and were feeding us a cartoon too? What about the eye witnesses that were at the scene and saw it for themselves? Was a cartoon being beamed into their noodle by that energy weapon from space too? Really now, how gullible do you think some humans are? If you believe that, you're insulting the intelligence of the eye witnesses too.

There's nothing credible to discuss here in any of this, that is, not until all is said and done and federal rule #11 for civil procedure is invoked, and then we can all have a good laugh at the plaintiffs expense. :haha:

Oh, BTW, never trust an attorney that has or had federal tax liens filed against them. I wouldn't be surprised if the attorney involved in pursuing this ends up disbarred.

How anyone can defend those mooslim radical terrorists and Bin Looney by attempting to assign blame of 9-11 elsewhere is beyond me, but then again money and notoriety can make some humans do and say almost anything for it. Of course if one thinks their soul goes to the moon after death, what's there to fear and loose in saying and doing whatever one wants in life, huh? :saroll:

Alpha

03-13-2008, 08:02 AM

How anyone can defend those mooslim radical terrorists and Bin Looney by attempting to assign blame of 9-11 elsewhere is beyond me.......

How anyone could actually buy in to the above, specifically with all the evidence and incongruence's in the "official spin" is beyond me as well.....:banghead:

Vive la difference, by choice, I guess.....:aargh4:

Alpha

03-13-2008, 08:06 AM

Please review this Quit Am Complaint filed in New York District Court. I will be posting my Affidavit regarding the Complaint filed on January 28, 2008 with New York District Court within the next few days.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/QuitAm_Complaint_and_Jury_Trial.htm

You must carefully read every single line of the forty pages. So don't try to skim the document.

Please review this site:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/index.html

and page down to:

Weapons In Space: The State of the Art

Of course. We will keep bombing ourselves until people understand just how serious the threat is from Islamo-Fascism. Then maybe they will realize how important it is to deprive them of their liberties in order to protect them from harm. :)

Thank you for the links, John. I will go through them over the weekend...thoroughly when I have a bit more time.

Yes, "problem, reaction, solution" is still a very effective tool....the majority falls for it most of the time, don't they? :sad:

Divinorumus

03-13-2008, 08:46 AM

How anyone could actually buy in to the above, specifically with all the evidence and incongruence's in the "official spin" is beyond me as well.....:banghead:

Where's your proof, your evidence? Convince me with whatever evidence and proof convinced you. Eye witnesses convinced me planes flown into the building brought them down. Are we trying to say all them New Yorkers are lying and in on this energy weapons cover-up thing? Hearsay may fly here, but thankfully it won't fly in any court where it matters. So, where's the damn proof, the evidence? What convinced you that New Yorker eye witnesses are all liars? Why won't anyone show me the proof and evidence that it was a murderous atrocity committed by your own citizens? Why? Why, why, why? WHY? Certainly something convinced you and John. Why won't you share that with us? WHY?

And, why no explanation and proof/evidence of the souls go to the moon thing either?

Poppycock! Balderdash!

Alpha

03-13-2008, 09:04 AM

Where's your proof, your evidence? Convince me with whatever evidence and proof convinced you. Eye witnesses convinced me planes flown into the building brought them down. Are we trying to say all them New Yorkers are lying and in on this energy weapons cover-up thing? Hearsay may fly here, but thankfully it won't fly in any court where it matters. So, where's the damn proof, the evidence? What convinced you that New Yorker eye witnesses are all liars? Why won't anyone show me the proof and evidence that it was a murderous atrocity committed by your own citizens? Why? Why, why, why? WHY? Certainly something convinced you and John. Why won't you share that with us? WHY?

And, why no explanation and proof/evidence of the souls go to the moon thing either?

Poppycock! Balderdash!

There are threads all over the forum on that topic Div, with copious information, links etc.

After you have gone through them, than may I suggest you post your comments or "counter evidence" in the appropriate thread ;)

What we don't have here though, is a thread to support that 911 happened exactly the way the media and government tells us, so if you feel this is true, I would encourage you to start a thread with your supporting documentation to illustrate and prove just that!

I doubt that we will ever know the real truth about who and how 911 was orchestrated.

You believe the "evil doer" story hook line and sinker...well that's your perogative. From what I've read, seen etc., I do not...never will.

johnlear

03-13-2008, 09:04 AM

Seriously, do you too really think that video footage of a plane flying into the WTC was a cartoon?

Yes, it was CGI. How do you explain the 'nose-out' footage?

You really think the media was in on this energy weapon from space cover-up deal and were feeding us a cartoon too?

No.

What about the eye witnesses that were at the scene and saw it for themselves?

They were watching a holograph.

Was a cartoon being beamed into their noodle by that energy weapon from space too?

No.

Really now, how gullible do you think some humans are?

In the extreme.

If you believe that, you're insulting the intelligence of the eye witnesses too.

The eyewitnesses were only reporting what they saw. I am not insulting their intelligence.

There's nothing credible to discuss here in any of this, that is, not until all is said and done and federal rule #11 for civil procedure is invoked, and then we can all have a good laugh at the plaintiffs expense. :haha:

911, whatever the cause is nothing to laugh about.

Oh, BTW, never trust an attorney that has or had federal tax liens filed against them.

Then you would support the Federal Reserve and their tactics?

I wouldn't be surprised if the attorney involved in pursuing this ends up disbarred.

I wouldn't either considering that Gov. Spitzer was trying to go after Larry Silverstein and Alan G. Hevesi.

How anyone can defend those mooslim radical terrorists and Bin Looney by attempting to assign blame of 9-11 elsewhere is beyond me, but then again money and notoriety can make some humans do and say almost anything for it.

911 was a carefully designed PsyOp to implicate bin Ladin, Arab/Muslims as responsible and was the beginning of the War On Terrorism. But thats all it was: a PsyOp.

Of course if one thinks their soul goes to the moon after death, what's there to fear and loose in saying and doing whatever one wants in life, huh? :saroll:

Where do you think the soul goes after death?

Alpha

03-13-2008, 09:25 AM

They were watching a holograph.

John, I've always considered that a distinct possibility. Although I haven't read the links you have provided yet, have you run across anything tangible to support the holograph theory?

I know this thread isn't about 911...perhaps we need to move this to another thread....I can move the pertinent info later ;)

Divinorumus

03-13-2008, 12:58 PM

They were watching a holograph.
Oh really now, that's just too much, don't you think? I don't suppose you have any proof/evidence of that either that you would care to share and convince us with? No? Show me the proof and I'll admit I was wrong and you were right. Show me and put me in my place.

Where do you think the soul goes after death?
I haven't a clue to say so. I have my ideas, but I can't lie and say any of them are so, at least not like you so claim. Why you holding back the proof/evidence that has convinced you of all this? It seems kind of suspicious to keep it a secret all to yourself, unless you have some kind of valid reason to keep it from us. I know I'd share if I claimed I know.

Seems rather odd too that I'm the only one here that seems thinks all this is over the top, and wrong to question any of this. :1zhelp: I wonder why. Hum. :33:

Project

03-13-2008, 02:43 PM

terrorists that have acknowledged and admitted it was them. Got a source on that Div?

Asking for proof is kind of silly since the gov destroyed the physical proof faster than I have ever imagined would be possible.

Unless you want proof like an unscathed passport that blew through an exploding jet and a burning building, to flutter lightly on top of all the debris LOL.

John, I am going to read your material, I don't think you are far off just from what I have read here. I don't know about 'no planes', but I do know 'planes' doesn't make sense to begin with.

The physics-defying section of infrastructure that was last to fall, and fell in on itself, after starting to tilt a certain way definitely leads one to think that there was something destabilizing the foundation of the buildings themselves. This could be bombs (as I currently believe), and it could be more exotic, it could be both, with the bombs being a strawman in case anyone figured out too much...

Thanks for the interesting posts :stretch:

johnlear

03-13-2008, 03:37 PM

I haven't a clue to say so.

Thanks for your input, it is greatly appreciated. :)

Judee

03-13-2008, 05:00 PM

How anyone can defend those mooslim radical terrorists and Bin Looney by attempting to assign blame of 9-11 elsewhere is beyond me, but then again money and notoriety can make some humans do and say almost anything for it.

As someone involved in commercial high-rise construction from the ground up for many years Div, I will say I never for one second believed that those buildings fell as a result of the planes flying into them. I don't have the detailed answers, but I do know in my heart that the laws of normal physics, based on all the building codes and construction material criteria, just didn't apply to what happened.

Mcnowhere

03-13-2008, 05:51 PM

As someone involved in commercial high-rise construction from the ground up for many years Div, I will say I never for one second believed that those buildings fell as a result of the planes flying into them. I don't have the detailed answers, but I do know in my heart that the laws of normal physics, based on all the building codes and construction material criteria, just didn't apply to what happened.
Sure did look like nice, clean implosions to me. I have also seen video of the small explosions that happened in other parts the buildings, seconds before they fell. How can this be explained?

Divinorumus

03-13-2008, 05:57 PM

I don't have the detailed answers, but I do know in my heart that the laws of normal physics, based on all the building codes and construction material criteria, just didn't apply to what happened.

Well there you go, you don't have the detailed answers either. But apparently you at least researched the building codes and construction material criteria, which is at least a start.

BTW, were those old building codes and construction material criteria found online somewhere? I would be interested in looking at them too. Although I'm no engineer like you, and wouldn't know enough to really understand it all myself to come to any similar laws of normal physics conclusion as you have, I do recall hearing that, not long before 9-11 came about, that the recently new owner of those towers was facing quite a significant cost ~ to have all the asbestos in both towers removed and cleaned up ~ way more cost than they could have afforded and justified.

Then of course 9-11 came along and gee, what a lucky break, huh. The cleanup costs could have cost as much as the towers themselves. What a dilemma. Thankfully a space platform energy weapon hologram came along to knock it all down. Silverstein made out pretty good on that investment. Good thing he had Securacom (backed by the Kuwait-American Corp, which is linked financially to the Bush family since the Gulf war) guarding it. It must have been Marvin Bush (George W. Bush's brother) and Wirt Walker III (Marvin’s cousin) that let the spooks in the backdoor (while they guarded it) that planted the explosive charges that the cartoon planes crashed into.

If anything, you have an insurance scam here, with a real terror attack carried out by a bunch of mooslum radicals that were duped into thinking they were attacking America over religious and political beliefs.

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BTW, isn't it odd that that Morgan Reynolds, that filed that QUI TAM complaint, was the former top economist in Bush's Department of Labor once upon a time? Sounds like a good-old-boys network. That filed complaint could be a diversionary thang to take attention away from the true story.

johnlear

03-13-2008, 06:28 PM

BTW, isn't it odd that that Morgan Reynolds, that filed that QUI TAM complaint, was the former top economist in Bush's Department of Labor once upon a time? Sounds like a good-old-boys network. That filed complaint could be a diversionary thang to take attention away from the true story.

And what is the true story? In your opinion of course. :)

(Also, I might as well tell you I am getting tired of you running to Wikepedia every time I ask you a question.)

MuseNoir

03-13-2008, 06:41 PM

If anything, you have an insurance scam here, with a real terror attack carried out by a bunch of mooslum radicals that were duped into thinking they were attacking America over religious and political beliefs.

9-11 was about more than an insurance scam obviously..... we need to keep digging, keep reading, keep trying to connect the dots.... the answers have to be out there.

John thank you for firing up this discussion here again.

The official story is wrong, wrong, wrong. That I do know.

Divinorumus

03-13-2008, 06:47 PM

And what is the true story? In your opinion of course. :)

(Also, I might as well tell you I am getting tired of you running to Wikepedia every time I ask you a question.)

John, what is your problem, man? You've been nothing but personally insulting**edit for flaming**towards me ever since I became curious about your adamant far fetched claims.

You *edit for flaming** who refuses to answer a legitimate question concerning your claims.

What the heck is your problem, dude? **edit for flaming**You need some help or something? I'm concerned about you man, you're loosing it. I'm surprised the mods tolerate your little personal snippets. Can't you be serious and grow up and honestly answer a single question? And knock off the snide insults every time I ask a legitimate question?

I'm beginning to wonder if we aren't dealing with a prankster using Johns name here. What gives man?

**edit**let's stay on the what and not the who, without personal attacks...that is flaming and is not acceptable here:
IW Posting Policy (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6385). If anyone here has personal issues with another member..take it off line**end edit**

MuseNoir

03-13-2008, 07:07 PM

No..... it IS really John Lear..... and he has not broken any rules here. This is a great discussion, let's keep it going. :cool:

Divinorumus

03-13-2008, 07:11 PM

BTW, I went to ATS, and I see that YOUR forum section has been removed. What happened, John? Was it moved elsewhere? I was going to check with the John Lear there to see if YOU HERE are one in the same. ???

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Oh never mind, I found it. They decommissioned his dedicated "Conspiracy Master" forum and moved his threads to the Skunk Works forum.

MuseNoir

03-13-2008, 07:31 PM

As for "Skunkworks", this is how ATS defines that part of their board:
A place where extremely speculative ideas and topics could be embraced and enthusiastically supported.

Let's move on....

I say we leave ATS to ATS and focus on THIS board.

Glad you've stopped by, John.

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And now back to the topic.......... what the heck IS Endeavor doing right now? Has a new "event" been put into motion...? That's what I keep wondering. Any guesses?

johnlear

03-13-2008, 08:34 PM

johnlear

03-13-2008, 09:00 PM

John, what is your problem, man? You've been nothing but personally insulting and rude and a total jackass towards me ever since I became curious about your adamant far fetched claims.

I try to respond in kind. Within obvious limits of course.

You are acting like a defensive childish brat who refuses to answer a legitimate question concerning your claims. And you resort to calling me an anus and whatever instead. Why?

I am used to debating with those who are 'up to speed'. Please accept my apologies if you have taken offense. There are those who would willingly pluck out their eye if only I would say their name.

What the heck is your problem, dude? You need some help or something?

Yeah, about $725 grand. Can you help?

I'm concerned about you man, you're loosing it.

Many, in fact, most, would agree with you.

I'm surprised the mods tolerate your little personal snippets.

"Little personal snippets" are allowed. "Medium personal snippets" you get a warning. "Large personal snippets" you get taken out behind the woodshed.

"Can't you be serious and grow up and honestly answer a single question?"

Dad? Is that you? I thought you died in 1978.

And knock off the snide insults every time I ask a legitimate question?

I excel in snide insults. Its my forte. Its what I live for.

I'm beginning to wonder if we aren't dealing with a prankster using Johns name here. What gives man?

So, I thought you were going to tell us what the truth is about 911? No?

What I mean is Morgan files a 42 allegation Qui Tam Complaint against more than 20 major companies and accuses them of using Directed Energy Weapons to murder over 3000 Americans and further accuses them of the use, development, manufacture and testing of these weapons and that further he accuses the military industrial complex of the dissemination of false news, so-called pschological operations and then lists seven causes of action with accompanying prayer for relief and you say Morgan is 'one of the boys"? And this is just a 'diversion'?

What are you smoking man? :)

Whoops, sorry. I forgot. You didn't read the complaint so how would you know? Please accept my sincerest apologies. :)