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    Can Entities Hurt?

    Although I usually enjoy North's articles, I found this one to be totally closed minded to the point that I was getting angry at his unifaceted POV.

    Anyway, this brings up the question....

    Can Entities Hurt?

    Have any of you had any personal experience or know of others who have? What do you think....who are they, what are they, do they exist and can they both physically manifest, interact and even hurt??

    From:worldpress.com

    CAN ENTITIES HURT?







    Psychic entities can come in many forms, varying from incubi, to ghosts, to aliens, and even the ‘hallucinations’ conjured up by a magical adept. Yet the most virulent tend to appear during poltergeist infestations.


    Occasionally such entities go further than simply being seen. There are attested cases of such entities actually hurting people, even leaving marks on the body. Does this suggest the entities are real, or can other elements explain the phenomenon?


    To me, such entities are basically hallucinations.





    The mind constantly interprets the data received from the senses, but should that data be interrupted, such as through tiredness, altered states, natural illusion, etc, a strange phenomenon occurs.


    The mind begins to fill in the gaps of the missing data. This additional material can come from culture, or the person’s own fears. But what is then experienced is more than what is actually out there. Such a process is not ‘madness’, or anything like that, but what I class as a moment of sensory re-calibration.


    What properties does such a hallucination have?

    Most people think of a hallucination as something seen. In most cases, this is, indeed, all that is experienced. But a particularly intense hallucination can be much more than this.


    It can have an effect on all the senses. In other words, it can be seen, heard, smelled, and even felt. And it is in this last sensory element that the question – can entities hurt – takes on a new meaning.


    If something can be felt, does it work the other way round?

    In other words, can you feel it if it touches you? Certainly, pleasure can be experienced through entity hallucination. This is often recounted in cases of incubi and succubi – entities that come at night and have sex with you.
    Hence, if it can happen in terms of pleasure, it can surely happen in terms of hurt. So if all the senses are involved, and you hallucinate an entity which scratches you, for instance, then it is likely you would feel it.





    Bearing this in mind, would it leave a scar?

    Well, according to the testimony of many who have experienced the poltergeist, yes it can – the marks I have already alluded to.



    But how is this possible? Surely this is going further than simple sensory stimuli.


    Hypnosis may be able to help here. It is known that, in certain circumstances, a hypnotized person has experienced suggested pain, and had a bodily reaction to go along with it. The suggestion of burning, for instance, has produced marks on the body.


    Indeed, there is one phenomenon where such bodily reactions are infamous, even to the point of bleeding. This is Stigmata – the manifestation of the wounds of Christ.


    No one knows exactly how Stigmata work, but that it does is well attested.


    And the most likely answer to the phenomenon is hysterically based religious fervour - in other words, a deep cultural belief.


    Applying this process to entities, then yes, a hallucinated entity could well hurt, and leave marks as if it was real. But rather than automatically accepting it as a definite supernatural being, it can just as easily be psychological in nature. It’s just that psychology is rather more virulent than we presently accept.

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    alpha, i'm not sure if i understand the question: are you asking if they can be hurt or if they can hurt you?
    if it's the former, i do have some personal experience as i have recollections of dying from my past life. i also have memories of the after-life that followed that incarnation. i was still sporting the wounds that killed me, and would exhibit them as proof that i was still corporeal.
    "see, i'm a real person! look at this massive wound in my chest!" to the best of my knowledge, i don't think that you can do them any more harm once they've passed over. you can only help them to find the way to the light (or whatever you'd like to call it).
    if it's the latter question, sure, they can hurt you. if they can dredge up enough energy/attention, they can affect objects on the physical plane. there have been tons of scratches, beatings, even rapes archived. the movie "the entity" was based on a true story (loosely), as was the movie "an american haunting" (the only known case of a "ghost" killing some one, and much of the phenomena was recorded by a us senator, can't remember which one and witnessed by a future president, jackson, i believe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by teresius View Post
    if it's the latter question, sure, they can hurt you. if they can dredge up enough energy/attention, they can affect objects on the physical plane. there have been tons of scratches, beatings, even rapes archived. the movie "the entity" was based on a true story (loosely), as was the movie "an american haunting" (the only known case of a "ghost" killing some one, and much of the phenomena was recorded by a us senator, can't remember which one and witnessed by a future president, jackson, i believe).
    Since everything in the Universe is energy, including ourselves, it makes sense that an entity, (if as you said, builds up enough energy itself), could do physical harm to us in this dimension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teresius View Post
    alpha, i'm not sure if i understand the question: are you asking if they can be hurt or if they can hurt you?
    if it's the former, i do have some personal experience as i have recollections of dying from my past life. i also have memories of the after-life that followed that incarnation. i was still sporting the wounds that killed me, and would exhibit them as proof that i was still corporeal.
    "see, i'm a real person! look at this massive wound in my chest!" to the best of my knowledge, i don't think that you can do them any more harm once they've passed over. you can only help them to find the way to the light (or whatever you'd like to call it).
    if it's the latter question, sure, they can hurt you. if they can dredge up enough energy/attention, they can affect objects on the physical plane. there have been tons of scratches, beatings, even rapes archived. the movie "the entity" was based on a true story (loosely), as was the movie "an american haunting" (the only known case of a "ghost" killing some one, and much of the phenomena was recorded by a us senator, can't remember which one and witnessed by a future president, jackson, i believe).
    T my original question was if any of you felt that other entities could hurt those hear in the physical by manifesting energy, acts, physical body sensation and actual physical evidence/damage.

    North's article seems to express his POV which is one, that the individual and her/her psyche make that happen...a POV which I'm sure can be the case sometimes, however not in the majority of cases.

    I guess though that the question is valid on both sides.....if they can interact, even hurt us, then I suppose we could/would be able to do the same if we understand their "space" and vibration etc.

    As you point out, like the movie "The Entity" and in other documented cases, there are many manifests of something no longer of this dimension interacting with those here...and not always in a positive way.

    Have any of you ever had any experiences in this area?

    Why do you think some people have these and others do not? Perhaps in certain cases it is relative to location rather than person.....

    It has been said that one needs to either open a portal, invite or allow this type of interaction, however I'm still on the fence on that train of thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judee View Post
    Since everything in the Universe is energy, including ourselves, it makes sense that an entity, (if as you said, builds up enough energy itself), could do physical harm to us in this dimension.
    That makes perfect sense Judee...that logic would also indicate that the converse it true as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    It has been said that one needs to either open a portal, invite or allow this type of interaction, however I'm still on the fence on that train of thought.
    I believe this is true. Not 'inviting' it necessarily, but it goes back to that simple thing of 'everything is energy'. Some people emit different energy fields that may be inviting to something from another dimension. Some people would think this is boogedy-boo stuff, but it's really simple science. Like attracts like. It's the law of the Universe.
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    I believe that entities can hurt humans. My sleep paralysis demon succubus "friend" has poked and slapped me, and it hurt, so I believe it.

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    I think that not only can they sometimes touch, but they can cause other things to happen. Such as spilling something off a counter that you slip on, or cause a door to close just as your turn around and start to enter.
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    I tried an experiment once some time back. I was just sitting there at the mall waiting for the kids to finish their shopping or whatever somewhere. I sat there just watching all the hordes of people going back and forth, each after something or another, all circumnavigating each other, sometimes bumping into each other, other times pushing around each other. Then I began to imagine tiny little mall gnomes running all about, in-between all the shoppers feet. About 6 inches or so in height mall gnomes, all of them also trying to get to and fro, but having to avoid getting stepped upon in doing so. Then I began imagining every once in a while a human would occasionally trip over one of these mall gnomes. Then it happened. I noticed someone walking along right in front of me suddenly trip, like they tripped over their own foot. I also saw the angry mall gnome she tripped over go rolling across the floor. They always stop for a second to look back to see what they tripped over, but of course they never see anything. .. Only I can see the mall gnomes, as well as can the other mall gnomes. They always look kind of foolishly embarrassed when they can't find any logical explanation why they must have tripped over their own foot. Don't bother looking, it wasn't a loose shoelace or anything like that this time, and it wasn't a loose piece of carpet or your own feet you just tripped over ... it's them .. us ... the spooky creepy ones .. messing with ya'll in your dreams. BOO! Hey, try this sometimes. Really, if you get good at it, you can make a whole bunch of them all trip at the same time. When that happens, look for the one laughing!

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    I was awoke one night a few years ago to a sudden blow to the stomach. When I caught my breathe I looked around, but sawe nothing. What was weird was I was laying down on my stomach at the time. Whatever hit me had to have come up through the floor.
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    I believe they can, yes, if they are powerful enough.

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    I suspect that there is a lot of fluffy bunny-ness in metaphysical lore today. It's as if someone has tried to subvert the scariest aspects of the supernatural so it is accepted more easily by the masses. It makes selling tv shows and courses and books and wicca 101 classes a lot easier.

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