Thoughts? Strange experience with entity

[Hadriana]

I had a rather strange day in which I meditated about 6 hours out of the day. It was a good day and overall very positive.

I laid down for a nap last night and went quickly to sleep but I was very aware, like one is in an astral projection. I was aware that I was hovering right on top of my body, while it slept. OK.

So suddenly, a black smoke-wispy appearing entity was flying around me, very quickly, circling me. I wasn't scared, but I was aware of it. There was no low vibration, no humming, nothing like THAT, nothing like that comes with the shadow people.

He started speaking - it was a young male's voice. I would say not past a teenager, because his voice was not deep like a man's, but definitely male. It had an english accent.

He was challenging me. Who WAS I, What did I think I was doing blah blah.

Ok at this point I got mad and was trying to grab him by the non-existant throat if I could but of course it was not something that could be held, or choked, so I had no choice really but to talk to him if I wanted to make any peace there. I knew I didn't want to wake up because then I might be stuck with him hanging around and maybe attached to me.

So I asked him why wasn't he on my side? and every question I asked HIM, he just challenged me. I challenged him right back. Finally he sorta yelled that "Why do you have to textualize so much?" and I said "Why do you have to talk so funny?" and finally he dissapaited and flew away.

I'm not sure what to make of it. I was, to be honest, not sure what textualize meant. I had to look it up. It happens that on Thanksgiving my dad, who is a big churchgoer, has a new wife who is MORE religious. He kept asking me questions about the bible and I was quoting scripture, which my ability to do that, has always pleased my father. I normally do not make a practice of it as I do not believe in being a literalist anyway.

It had me thinking somewhat. What if....you know who they tell Christians to stay away from the occult, oijua boards, stuff like that? What if that is an easy out? A sure "SAFE" but a safe that leaves someone like me unsatisfied and only able to live up to part of my potential.

In any event, my challenging young guy really got me thinking. The thing is though, I have no idea what sort of entity he was. I have never encountered one like him.

[williamstade]

Hi Hadriana,

Your full potential? Sounds nice. What were you aiming for as your ideal scenario of full potential? Psychic skills?

Oh, and Christianity "vs." Paranormal experiences, I'm still not sure how far to trust any Christian sentiment stating fear for your soul or more lunatic-ish ravings which I imagine just might still exist to a small degree in the world. There's always the God of that mysterious (four letter) word Love. Just might be the reality too. I tend to paint it as such. And if He really does have any difficulty with us as a people exactly as we are then the topic was never worth a penny ever. One opinion. We find out only after we die so any claims are always a little ludicrous.

What a topic.

William

[Hadriana]

Hi Hadriana,

Your full potential? Sounds nice. What were you aiming for as your ideal scenario of full potential? Psychic skills?

Oh, and Christianity "vs." Paranormal experiences, I'm still not sure how far to trust any Christian sentiment stating fear for your soul or more lunatic-ish ravings which I imagine just might still exist to a small degree in the world. There's always the God of that mysterious (four letter) word Love. Just might be the reality too. I tend to paint it as such. And if He really does have any difficulty with us as a people exactly as we are then the topic was never worth a penny ever. One opinion. We find out only after we die so any claims are always a little ludicrous.

What a topic.

William

I'd have to disagree. I would consider full potential as enlightenment, and yes, I do think it is possible before we die. I don't think it is a given after we die. I do remember lives before, and it hasn't happened to me yet such that it lasted....but I have glimpsed it and so I do think it can.

And yes, fear for my soul...lol...It is a concern a LOT of people bring up when one discusses occultism.
As for lunatic ravings, I suppose I often qualify.

[VOguy]

And yes, fear for my soul...lol...It is a concern a LOT of people bring up when one discusses occultism.
As for lunatic ravings, I suppose I often qualify.

Fearful of repercussions, or because you might be reincarnated back into some who is a complete opposite?

[Hadriana]

Fearful of repercussions, or because you might be reincarnated back into some who is a complete opposite?

Oh always fear of repercussions. Not me personally - it isn't MY fear. If I were afraid of such, I'd go down another path.

But how others respond is a constant concern, even as one tries to stay to themselves and keep quiet on such things day to day as a practical course.

I'm actually pretty traumatized this week as it is. My husband and I have been 'out of the broom closet' for years with friends, but not family. THIS week, we came out with the family. No one has spoken to us since. But the psychoanalysis is tangential.

What sort of entity is very fast, like black smoke, communicates like a human, and completely challenging? A Jinn is all I can come up with.

[williamstade]

I'd have to disagree. I would consider full potential as enlightenment, and yes, I do think it is possible before we die. I don't think it is a given after we die. I do remember lives before, and it hasn't happened to me yet such that it lasted....but I have glimpsed it and so I do think it can.

And yes, fear for my soul...lol...It is a concern a LOT of people bring up when one discusses occultism.
As for lunatic ravings, I suppose I often qualify.

Smile. Enlightenment? As in the final attainment of that Nirvanic realm of the Buddhas? That place is just as myth laden as the mystery of God. I often think that they must be synonymous though have never read or heard that stated.

I wonder if Enlightenment is surprisingly attainable. The idea of working towards a happier self (I like the words spirit and soul as synonyms) by way of The Noble Truths and the Paramitas. I believe that this alone is a valid Enlightenment.

Lunatic ravings. Usually emotions running high with a spark of anger.

Geez. Some of these discussion threads can be more difficult than I had spent time to think of. I say this because now I'm looking at the analysis of personal beliefs especially ones that place the conscious self or ego on percieved as shaky philosophical ground when opposed in statement. I guess it becomes what an old friend called reality testing though someone previous to her may have coined the phrase.

I've had a couple of lucid astral projections with thug-like beings in recent weeks. They have the ability to invade my emotions and manipulate them towards depression and discouragement at will. Angers and depresses me further upon noticing and experiencing that my inmost self is also being violated at those times. Then add their ability to render me awake but paralyzed and powerless at will. That was an element also. Their selves seem to take these kinds of abilities as molesters of the inner self as a sick victory of sorts.

Your English accented being? I wasn't there so I don't know. Most of my experiences are with beings whose hearts actually are poisoned by their mythologized legendery Fall.

William

[VOguy]

I'm actually pretty traumatized this week as it is. My husband and I have been 'out of the broom closet' for years with friends, but not family. THIS week, we came out with the family. No one has spoken to us since. But the psychoanalysis is tangential.

Had, for what it's worth, I'm convinced that people who can't understand or come to grips with a situation have two ways to deal with it ... they ignore it, or they try to debunk it.

Be it your belief of witchcraft, or my belief of EVPs, it's usually a predictable facet of life to have "some" people either ignore you or try to paint what you believe as being evil or wrong.

As long as I have been alive I've been the complete opposite, and when I don't understand something I generally want to learn and challenge my thoughts. Most of the time it's one of those "oh, that's what it means" moments, but sometimes you really have to look back and are pained because it goes against personal history.

I have a lot of friends, personally and professionally, who have distanced themselves from me because of the EVPs. And one family member who has not spoken to me because they consider this kind of research "playing with the devil". Again, if you lack the initiative to learn, or you're too lazy to learn, the easiest option is to debunk and ridicule.

Hang in there kid. Be compassionate to those that don't understand, but understand that it's their choice what actions they take.

[williamstade]

Thanks VOGuy. Laugh. "You can 'see the light' in the strangest of places if you look at it right", including the etiology of that rock and roll maybe somewhat drug inspired lyric. Though, it sounds like something that may have wound up on the cutting room floor of archaic religious texts. Too radical. LOL. I believe people forget the profundity of expansiveness easily attributable to the Mind of God when it comes to the, at the very least theological conjecture of the perspective. Though, while easily possibly true, I suspect it's still like speaking a stigmatized version of a foreign language. One out of a hundred might understand, possible more.

Just this Internet post writer's opinion and I hate resting reality on opinion.

William

[Hadriana]

Thanks VOGuy. Laugh. "You can 'see the light' in the strangest of places if you look at it right", including the etiology of that rock and roll maybe somewhat drug inspired lyric. Though, it sounds like something that may have wound up on the cutting room floor of archaic religious texts. Too radical. LOL. I believe people forget the profundity of expansiveness easily attributable to the Mind of God when it comes to the, at the very least theological conjecture of the perspective. Though, while easily possibly true, I suspect it's still like speaking a stigmatized version of a foreign language. One out of a hundred might understand, possible more.

Just this Internet post writer's opinion and I hate resting reality on opinion.

William

Well there is reality, and then there is ReALiTy. ;0 I have tried to get 'evps' but if I got them I'd never know it - I need to go digital with that so I can quickly get a visual of any occurance, because I have tried manually listening to 2-4 hours of tape recordings before and I quickly forget to listen.

I believe that what happens on the astral is it's own reality, William, or so I think. And there's actually very little out there to educate us about it. It maybe possible for some to just let it slip away, like a dream, or to observe it, forget it, and not pick it apart, but that's not useful for my purposes.

In the past, on such a level, I met an angel that I believe favors me and thus watches out for me, who is drawn to me, because of certain personality traits that I have. (In my case, it is a striving to learn.)

In this case, I felt like this entity had been with me a long time, and was drawn to me in such the same way, although in his case, I am not sure what the draw is, or what his name is. I am trying to wrap my hands around it, lol, figuratively, since I can't possibly get my hands on it. If I COULD get my hands on it, that would be normal operating reality, wouldn't it? But that is not the reality that I operate in at times.

So, lol, I may be operating in a reality that is not shared by most, but if one is functional in those realities, as well as THiS physical one, could one be considered then a raving lunatic, or a mere adept? I assure you I am perfectly functional in all regards, even if I hold some unconventional beliefs.

So I've spent several hours on this, going through this book, that one, to see what others may have brought back.

I think what I have met was a jinn, and my qareen, my genius (or Juno).
Now what to do with him....he was difficult, and impatient, and a know it all, but he was certainly not committed to being evil.

He has taught me a lot already.

[VOguy]

You'll find all sorts of reactions from people that run the gamut from ignoring you to outlandish anger. The best thing to do is ignore their reaction.

If they really respect you, they will make an attempt to understand and open dialog with you. If they don't care to respect you, then you'll get the silence or the anger. Either way, it's their choice.

[MuseNoir]

Hang in there, Hadriana -- I have plenty of experience with those in my life who don't agree with my decisions or beliefs, so I understand all the complexities of dealing with their emotions. In the long run they usually come around because they see I am happy. Just give them some time and they might surprise you.

[Hadriana]

Oh I could care more.... I live the life of a hermit and have ignored them all for years, turn about it just fair play. My dad's state of mind is all i really care about; he's old and I would not worry him if it could be prevented in anyway.

So much for trying to discuss the nature of an unknown entity.

[earthist]

It's incredibly difficult to be sure that one of these entities seen and described by a person is the same as another one seen and described by someone else. I think we tend to 'read into' the non-physical experiences to one degree or another even when we feel we're describing objectively. In other words, I can't tell whether I've seen what you've seen. My experience looks similar to me, but that's not convincing evidence.

With that caveat, I'll still risk suggesting that I have experienced something like Had's smoky entity. I wouldn't have come up with Djinn, but on inspection, I think that's a reasonable interpretation of what I 'psaw' (psychically saw). Even assuming they are similar entities, I don't have a lot of info for you.

In my experience, I determined that the 'guy' was a liar and a bit of a joker. No, I don't mean liar in the sense of the devil -- I don't even believe in a devil -- I just mean that it had an agenda, and didn't mind mis-representing itself to achieve it. I don't think it could have been particularly harmful so much as it could have sent me on 'wild gose chases' searching for 'truths' that didn't exist, and maybe convincing me I was under attack when I wasn't. I suppose paranoia might have been a danger, but it really didn't seem effectual enough to succeed.

Anyway, what I did was ask it to tell me its name. I did that three times, and got a great deal of resistance, and it only answered once. I sent it away and went to 'consult' with some other entities I have 'known' for years, and trust. That's where I got the info I described above. When 'he' returned later, I sent 'him' away, and have never pseen 'him' since.

Don't mean to ignore you, williamstade, but I have nothing resembling what you describe.