Palming Obama...and Hitler

[teresius]

I don't care if it's only a little bit about killing .. I spit on it all until the day they remove all that crap from their version of spirituality. I will not respect anything that demands compliance and invokes threats. Spirituality for me is all that which is good and pure. Spirituality to me has nothing to do with eternal damnation and beheadings and forced worship and compliance. All religions SUCK and can kiss my excretion hole, and so can their make-believe god(s).

so would you like to amend your earlier post to include all practitioners of all religions in your group of evil people that deserve to be killed? that's nice to know. be careful. your "anti-religion" could easily become a cult and then you'd have to kill yourself!
you're not prejudiced, you hate everybody!!!
it's like i said before: if they use it as a starting point and not a destination, i can't begrudge them that. i, too, have a problem with many tenets of organized religion. but if they expound on the basic principles and actually bring themselves closer to "god" by becoming better people, why would you spit on that? because lesser minds can misread analogies or insist on following practices that were prevalent in times gone past but have become obviously out-moded in today's day and age? or because some a$$wipe purposefully misleads them for purposes of their own? i pity them in their ignorance.

[Divinorumus]

you're not prejudiced, you hate everybody!!!

I hate those that think I should be beheaded or tossed into a fire for not bowing down to their dogma and spook, those that think I deserve to go to hell and burn forever for the same too. Religion SUCKS, PERIOD. I'll change my opinion of THAT and THEM that practice and worship that crap once they get rid of all that damnation and HATE CRAP in their DOGMA and PREACHING! There is no way that anyone can deny that religion is all about THREATS and HATE .. HATING those that won't bow down to their beliefs! FACT! PERIOD! CASE CLOSED! RELIGION SUCKS! Oh, and if HATE and THREATS of beheadings and eternal damnation brings them spiritually closer to their made up belief in some imagined god, well, I pity them and their beliefs and spiritual ways. Why don't they just get rid of all that threatening and hateful and eternal damnation crapola? Hum?

[Divinorumus]

Good grief ... .. weird world.

[teresius]

I hate those that think I should be beheaded or tossed into a fire for not bowing down to their dogma and spook, those that think I deserve to go to hell and burn forever for the same too. Religion SUCKS, PERIOD. I'll change my opinion of THAT and THEM that practice and worship that crap once they get rid of all that damnation and HATE CRAP in their DOGMA and PREACHING! There is no way that anyone can deny that religion is all about THREATS and HATE .. HATING those that won't bow down to their beliefs! FACT! PERIOD! CASE CLOSED! RELIGION SUCKS! Oh, and if HATE and THREATS of beheadings and eternal damnation brings them spiritually closer to their made up belief in some imagined god, well, I pity them and their beliefs and spiritual ways. Why don't they just get rid of all that threatening and hateful and eternal damnation crapola? Hum?

have you not been taking your meds again, div? religion is all about hate and threats? you must be very religious. you started off your post describing those that you hate. earlier you wanted to kill all of those that commit evil acts (and i assume that you're the one that decides what evil is).
you post that video and make the comment that it's a weird world like you weren't advocating killing a bunch of people just a couple of pages back. why don't you lead by example? if you really want others to "get rid of all that threatening and hateful" "crapola," why don't you show them how it's done? as it stands, if we really do enter some kind of age of enlightenment, you'll lose at least one of your personalities. you've shown, just in this thread, that you exhibit those very traits that you claim to despise. no wonder you're so distraught, you must loathe yourself! i feel for you. please let me know if there's any way that i can you to remedy this situation. seriously.

[Divinorumus]

Hey, my hate is in response to those that preach that those that do not play make-believe should go to hell and suffer forever and/or have their heads chopped off. Listen, this is no different than owning a gun! I do not like guns, but it is BECAUSE of those that do like guns that force me to have to have one. I do not want to hate, nor even think about putting a bullet through the head of a thief. Don't you see, I am filled with reciprocal hate for those that feel I am doomed for hell or that they should have what is mine for themselves. If THEY knock that crap off, I would have no need to hate or to have to keep a loaded gun handy in every room. Does this make any sense to you? I'm not about to let anyone chop off my head or pick my pockets or whatever. Once the religious crowd stops with the hate filled threats of damnation, and the socialists get their damn hands out of my pockets, then I'll relax. Get the evil ones to stop and I'll stop with my reciprocal and deterrent attitude! Kapesh? It's because of this b.s. in the world that I hate most humons and think they suck (not everyone of course, just those that do suck, the ones we always have to keep an eye out for, least we get stabbed in the back, robbed, and/or banished into hell forever, ha).

[teresius]

oh yes, i get what you're saying:
it's ok to hate as long as they hated you first.
that's what you're saying, boiled down to it's essentials. now that you've read it spelled out that way, do you not recognize it for the illogical nonsense that it is?
secondly, no one can FORCE you to do anything. you can't be forced to hate someone. that's a cop-out. just own it.

[Divinorumus]

secondly, no one can FORCE you to do anything. you can't be forced to hate someone. that's a cop-out. just own it.

You mean, if you saw a monster going after your children that you wouldn't feel forced to .. .. well what I mean is you wouldn't .. .. .. ah hell, never mind .. you probably wouldn't. Yeah, now I understand you too. Stay away from me, ha.

[teresius]

You mean, if you saw a monster going after your children that you wouldn't feel forced to .. .. well what I mean is you wouldn't .. .. .. ah hell, never mind .. you probably wouldn't. Yeah, now I understand you too. Stay away from me, ha.

you're treading on dangerous ground, div. first and only warning.

and you're confusing your analogies again, so see the other thread. it's a tired argument that holds no merit.

[Divinorumus]

it's a tired argument that holds no merit.

In your opinion, LOL. And spare me your futile warnings, humon. ha ha ha

[teresius]

Stay away from me, ha.

i'm not sure what the "ha" is all about. the rest is infantile gibberish. do you mean "don't post in threads where i am" or what, exactly. not that it really matters. i'm being civil and will remain so unless you cross some mighty big line. even then i wouldn't spaz out on the forum, so relax. i'm not going anywhere.

[teresius]

In your opinion, LOL.

actually, i back up my arguments with facts and relevant analogies (relevant being the key word). you should try it sometime.

[maryals]

have you ever noticed the difference between bbc news and the news that we get here? here's a snippet from the associated press website:
"The Associated Press is the backbone of the world's information system serving thousands of daily newspaper, radio, television and online customers with coverage in all media and news in all formats. It is the largest and oldest news organization in the world, serving as a source of news, photos, graphics, audio and video."
". AP is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. They elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative."
in a very literal sense, there's really no denying that america is #1 at propaganda. we are a world-wide media powerhouse. we have made "the american dream" a global mis-nomer. advertising is propaganda. surely a reasonable gent such as yourself can see this is true.
div, i would echo project's point above. religions are just man-made, mere artifice. we cannot hope to explain the mind and will of god with simple words, so any organized religion must fall short. for many, it's a starting place and not the destination, so i can't begrudge them that. it seems silly to me to condemn the entire religion just because some have been manipulated with it to commit atrocious acts.

you keep using that word "specious" like it's some kind of defense. first with judee and now with me. let's be clear. i've known a few devout muslims. they were very peaceful and in touch with themselves and expressed nothing but love and tolerance. i know that this is not the case with all muslims. so what? if you'd like a real example of a specious argument, look to your "hyperbole" that you mentioned earlier. i'd imagine that we can agree that we shouldn't stoop to the level of the terrorists. so is there any real point in comparing what some nutjobs (who happened to be muslims) did to some americans (ie, chopping off heads) and what we do to them (ie waterboarding)? no, there's really no point. see? it looks like a plausible argument when you first look at it (that's because of the extreme visceral reaction, i believe), but it's really completely inconsequential and almost diversionary.
and finally, i don't really like to think of it in terms of "winning" or "losing" at all. i like to think that i use logic, facts, and analytical thinking to persuade others out of their emotional, knee-jerk stances. if it gives you a moment's pause, i'd be happy. and it was very nice of you to admit that you think that i'm winning.

Show me in my posts were I admit that you are winning? I posted no such thing. Let's agree, for the sake of discussion, that "...religions are man made mere artifices...". That is irrelevant to the Fact that enough people in the World are taking their Religion seriously enough to use it as their reasoning for terrorizing and murdering others.
Yes I know there are many peaceful and loving Muslims. I have never in any post condemned ALL People of a certain Group "fill in the blank". Even in those cases where I may use the term "most people..." that word "most" does not imply "all". "Most" allows for exceptions. So, even if we agree that "most" Muslims are Peaceful People who Love ALL people, that allows for exceptions. Those exceptions are causing the trouble around the world today.
Not The Irish Republican Army
Not Colombian Drug Lords
Not "fill in the blank" Mafia

You write that I "...keep using that word "specious" like it's some kind of defense." That tells me that you are making the assumption that I feel under attack. Far from it. I'm engaged in a discussion and do not feel the need to defend myself as I do not believe I am under any sort of attack.

Mary and Bessie

[maryals]

and here's one that i'd love to hear maryals answer:
if, as you believe, torture is not only acceptable sometimes, but necessary, WHY NOT MAKE SOME LEGAL ALLOWANCE FOR IT? why should it be illegal at all? why should we try to exploit legal loopholes by having these "detention centers" in other countries or on ships that cruise in international waters? if it's right, why wouldn't you want it to be legal?

Because legalizing certain things does, IMO and based on my Life Experience, create a slippery slope.
Let me give you an example. Religious Beliefs aside (that's another whole discussion) every one has the Right to Die. Whether you are suffering from a chronic and very painful illness, or dying, everyone has the right to determine their fate.
Now I don't mean to open up THIS discussion, just to use this to answer your question teresius.
I also believe that Assisted Suicide should NOT be made legal. Why? because there is very fine line and slippery as hell slope between "Right to Die" and "Obligation to Die".
So, if my son were suffering and begged me help him die or even to kill him, I would. And then I would fully expect to go to jail for the crime.

I hope this analogy somehow explains where I'm coming from. I tend to process thoughts in pictures and concepts, I'm not very good with details. It takes me a long time to formulate "words" to post, to write.
Speaking is even more difficult LOL but my friends are patient with me.

Believe it or not I agree with Judee that Torture is heinous. Yet I also believe that there are extreme circumstances when torture may be needed in order to save lives.

Judee, my good friend, no doubt believes there is NEVER any reason for torture and I respect that and I am not in the business of changing her mind. Actually I'm really not in the business of changing anyone's mind.
I just enjoy a good discussion.

Mary and Bessie