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    The "Pathocracy"

    This nails it pretty well, I think:

    http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html

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    Why Does the World Feel Wrong?

    Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses.

    This seems like a nearly perfect description of those who seek political power. That same article goes on to say that fields over-represented by psychopaths may include “politics, business and entertainment. Yet the scientific evidence for this intriguing conjecture is preliminary.” It turns out that much stronger evidence for this exists than the article lets on.

    In the book Political Ponerology, Andrew Lobaczewski claims that about 6% of the people within a population have psychopathic characters. The implications of this, which he recognized soon after World War II, stagger the mind. Moreover, he suggests that another 12% of the population has high susceptibility to psychopathic thought. In a world dominated by hierarchical structures, these people sieze control of the key positions and create a so-called “pathocracy.” Lobaczewski continues, writing in ways that clearly anticipate the current reality:

    Within this [pathocratic] system, the common man is blamed for not having been born a psychopath, and is considered good for nothing except hard work, fighting and dying to protect a system of government he can neither sufficiently comprehend nor ever consider to be his own. An ever-strengthening network of psychopathic and related individuals gradually starts to dominate, overshadowing the others.

    Normal people have not considered the possibility that some people who seem ordinary could have no moral inhibitions. They default to believing that their leaders have good intentions. Employees of psychopaths thus carry out plans of their bosses blinded to the reality. No matter the scope of the “failure,” the leadership can always point back to their stated good intentions and shield themselves from the gallows. In fact, the more harm they create, the stronger the call becomes to vest more power in their failed agency so they can “prevent” anything of the sort from ever happening again.

    Their MO focuses on figuring out how much they can get away with, and we see no signs they have begun to approach the limits the public will accept. Irrespective of the ordeals they create, the vast majority of people give them the benefit of the doubt time and time again and continue in their support of the system. This belief among good people led to the democide of the 20th Century that continues unabated today.

    After considering the possibility that psychopaths have taken control of society, we find volumes of evidence to support the hypothesis. Did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot sympathize with their victims or have any sense of guilt? More recently, among Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, or Clinton , can we point to one who even exhibits a façade resembling normality? Obviously not—these lists name one person after another who has zero accountability to a rational morality. If people like this could make their way to the highest levels of power, what does that say about lower offices?

    It suggests people like this have control over the levers of power everywhere. We live at a time when the population at large cannot achieve its wants, yet few seem to know why. As one example, polls consistently indicate that educational matters concern the public, yet decade after decade, schooling gets quantitatively worse. What a mystery! Evidently, if we believe our well-meaning masters, 2,000 years of Western civilization has not yet determined effective ways to transmit key knowledge to younger generations. However, what happens if we suspend our belief in their benevolence for a moment and consider other possibilities? If schools fail to achieve their stated goals over several decades, might some groups see this as a success?

    Inhibiting critical thinking in the masses obviously benefits the state and psychopaths. When overtly self-serving, irresponsible, illegal, immoral, irrational behavior gets treated as normal, we can conclude that the educational system works quite well for our masters. I have given but one example, yet the multitude of state functions exists to provide every variety of psychopathic interest with a job. Moreover, we should consider that the state not only acts like a recruitment center for psychopaths, but that psychopaths probably invented the state to take advantage of the rest of us. I can give you no better explanation for the existence of an organization that fails in every ethical dimension and invokes psychopathic thinking at every turn than this.

    Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths. I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis: The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it. In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don’t get much press. Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments. Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths. We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.

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    Why do psychopaths naturally rise to the top?

    Is this an unavoidable aspect of "Dominator Culture"?

    We live at a time when the population at large cannot achieve its wants, yet few seem to know why. As one example, polls consistently indicate that educational matters concern the public, yet decade after decade, schooling gets quantitatively worse. What a mystery! Evidently, if we believe our well-meaning masters, 2,000 years of Western civilization has not yet determined effective ways to transmit key knowledge to younger generations. However, what happens if we suspend our belief in their benevolence for a moment and consider other possibilities? If schools fail to achieve their stated goals over several decades, might some groups see this as a success?
    Non-psychos to need to adopt this perspective, regarding lots of stuff.
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    Because of a lack of empathy, hunger for power, and an ability to "do whatever it takes" to advance.

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    No idea about Obama yet, but this certainly sounds like Arbusto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post

    No idea about Obama yet, but this certainly sounds like Arbusto.
    Hey Now Proj! So far's no idea about Obama yet, I was just thinking... If one accepts the idea, or at least finds it plausible that psychopaths largely, if not totally, dominate the field of politics?

    Just taking into consideration the inherent competitive advantages of being psychopathic, for B.O. to have ascended to the highest position of power in the nation if not the world WITHOUT being a qualifying member of the "club" would be one hell of an accomplishment -!

    In any case, and either way, I figure it's safe to say he's not just another psychopath in the crowd

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    Excellent article HB3

    However my take is, that it is rather one sided. The article certainly covers perhaps the psychological make up and motivation of these individuals, yet fails to delve in to reasons why, en mass, they are successful at what they do, are influential, even revered to the point of mass polarization.

    IMO, it almost paints the "why the world feels wrong" from a pseudo victim mentality.

    If these psychopaths...I prefer the term sociopaths, are so good at pushing the envelope, testing just how far the can do it, get away with it, have folk accept it, then where does our responsibility lie in letting them get away with it?

    Squid, from your link:

    antithetical character of what he sees as Western patriarchal culture—indicating, for example, his claims that it perennially lacks of social conscience and lacks of concern for the environment. Furthermore he argues that, "The entire structure of the dominator culture ... is based upon 'our alienation from nature, from ourselves and from each other'". [1] As a result, McKenna claimed, "Our ideas are exhausted—the ideas that we inherit out of Christianity and its half-brother science, or its bastard child science."
    Good and likely accurate statement IMO, however the question is again why?


    I would say that conditioning, "mind control" to create a/the Hive Mind has been extremely successful.

    Our politicos, our organized religions have played a key part ...as well as all media in mass conditioning.

    Add to the above, both a human tendency to want to belong, be accepted in addition to willingly abdicating responsibility, therefore no personal accountability of self, to ensure our individual ticket to Nirvana, whatever that means to an individual, these sociopaths/psychopaths seem to have used the mass human Achilles to their advantage, seemingly with our passive agreement and buy in.

    Who is more to blame? They for trying or us for buying?

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    It's that a normal person does not understand what a psychopath is capable of, because it's antithetical to their character -- literally inconceivable. The only way to learn is the hard way. By that time, much damage is conceivably done, and others w/o similar experiences won't believe it anyway. There is also possibly a Darwinian sado-masochistic element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3 View Post
    It's that a normal person does not understand what a psychopath is capable of, because it's antithetical to their character -- literally inconceivable. The only way to learn is the hard way. By that time, much damage is conceivably done, and others w/o similar experiences won't believe it anyway. There is also possibly a Darwinian sado-masochistic element.

    "Oh, humanity, you never had it anyway...."

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    Sadly, the "normal" person never cared or gave any of this one thought....yet what is "normal"...who defined it and why do we feel we subscribe to these "norms"?

    Should not something "antithetical" to one's character be a quest of understanding of most import?

    The excuse or reason is what? Apathy, stupidity or??

    This topic and all related has always been very high on my list.....guess that's one of the reasons I don't understand why it is not for most.....

    I'd really like to read your definition of what a "normal" person is...yours, their's...let's talk about this

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    "Normal"=possessing a conscience. Basically, an ordinary human. The psychopath is not ordinary; in fact you could make the argument that it's not really human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3 View Post
    "Normal"=possessing a conscience. Basically, an ordinary human. The psychopath is not ordinary; in fact you could make the argument that it's not really human.
    OK....

    There is a huge difference between a "psychopath" and a "sociopath" in current DSM definitions, manifestation and result....just one barometer of reference.

    What intrigues me most about your post is your reference "that it's not really human".

    I'd like to read more from you about that...

    What is possibly at play here...beyond conventional labels and current understanding?

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    Probably it's the exact same thing they called "demonic possession" in eras past, and there's probably no real difference.

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    You seem interested in disputing the idea of a "normal" personality, but I'm not sure semantics really matter that much here. When I say "normal," it's not meant as a social imposition. I think the basic idea is pretty straightforward: there's a certain stratum of the population that has a straightforward animal consciousness, but with a sick de Sadean mania piled on top of it, and don't care about what they have to do to satisfy it, because nothing else exists besides their own consciousness. Many will not indulge this directly, but it will be sublimated in most of their activities and "achievements."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3 View Post
    You seem interested in disputing the idea of a "normal" personality, but I'm not sure semantics really matter that much here. When I say "normal," it's not meant as a social imposition. I think the basic idea is pretty straightforward: there's a certain stratum of the population that has a straightforward animal consciousness, but with a sick de Sadean mania piled on top of it, and don't care about what they have to do to satisfy it, because nothing else exists besides their own consciousness. Many will not indulge this directly, but it will be sublimated in most of their activities and "achievements."
    Sounds to me, by what you write that your synopsis on "humans" is at opposite spectrums?...."normal" vs "not normal"....straightforward vs mania??

    Their "own consciousness"?? ...I would almost have to say, if I understand you correctly in what you write, that this is all about ego and gratification of sorts, on all levels, for the individual.

    If this truly represents the level of "consciousness" on this planet, then I am not surprised at what all has come our way and I can't wait to get off.

    So, what is this "achievement"...you, they, who?

    How do you or one measure that?

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