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    The Copenhagen Agreement & Summit - Climate Change - What's it really about?

    Gore optimistic for new climate deal in Copenhagen
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    London (AFP) March 14, 2009

    Former US vice president Al Gore said Saturday he was optimistic that a global deal to combat climate change would be agreed at a summit in December.
    In an interview with The Guardian, the Nobel Prize winner said he thought the world had reached a "political tipping point" and would reach agreement when negotiators convene in Copenhagen in December to hammer out a treaty.

    "There is a very impressive consensus now emerging around the world that the solutions to the economic crisis are also the solutions to the climate crisis," Gore, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for his campaign against global warming and an Oscar for his green documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," said.

    "I actually think we will get an agreement at Copenhagen."

    Gore added that the election of US President Barack Obama was one of the "main factors" for his hope an agreement would be reached, adding that a change in perception among business leaders was also crucial.

    "They're (business leaders) seeing the writing on every wall they look at," he said.

    "They're seeing the complete disappearance of the polar ice caps right before their eyes in just a few years."

    He added: "They're seeing the new US administration. They're seeing (British Prime Minister) Gordon Brown and (main opposition leader) David Cameron both advocating dramatic changes here in the UK."

    A conclave of scientists meeting in Copenhagen earlier this week warned the impact of global warming was accelerating beyond a forecast made by UN experts two years ago.

    In March 2007, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded that global warming, if unchecked, would lead to a devastating amalgam of floods, drought, disease and extreme weather by the century end.


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    In Hot Pursuit Of CO2 - http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...21750796216275

    By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:20 PM PT

    Climate Change: Washington is about to crack down on carbon dioxide emissions. It had better hurry because it won't have much time before the backlash strikes. The public is losing its faith in the global warming religion.

    The Environmental Protection Agency, under new management, wants to regulate emissions of CO2, as well as other greenhouse gases, as part of its campaign against global warming.

    The next step is to establish a reporting system, which was proposed Tuesday, so the government can monitor private activity and eventually tax carbon emissions.

    As many as 13,000 factories, power plants, refineries and other commercial enterprises that fuel the economy will be required to report to the government their levels of greenhouse gas emissions. From there, it's a small step to regulating hospitals, chain saws, fireplaces, lawn mowers, go-carts — you name it.

    Carol Browner, head of the EPA under the Clinton administration and climate czar for the current White House, is certain that the EPA will make the "endangerment finding" that will help move the process along. The way she talks about it, it sounds like it is now a mere formality the EPA will declare CO2 to be a pollutant.

    That's no surprise. The political left for years has been chasing down CO2, which isn't a pollutant even if the Supreme Court says it can be regulated as such under the Clean Air Act. It's a naturally occurring gas that's necessary for life to continue. And it makes up less than four hundred parts per million (0.038%) by volume of our atmosphere.

    And humankind's contribution to that small portion is just over 3%, meaning that whatever we do, our impact on greenhouse gas concentrations is virtually negligible. By extension, our impact on global warming is just as negligible.

    Our argument wouldn't be complete without pointing out that among greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide is a weak player. It makes up less than 4% of total greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Water vapor (clouds) is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect.

    Yet the fight over global warming continues, and unprovable claims that there's a scientific consensus that humans cause the Earth to warm seem to be growing louder.

    Is it because those who push this message of doom know their carefully constructed tale is collapsing?

    The alarmists have to be aware that the American public is growing ever more skeptical about the global warming scare. (See chart.)

    Even Democrats find the warnings have gone overboard. A Gallup poll taken this month found 22% of them say that the seriousness of global warming has been exaggerated, up from 18% last year, 16% in 2007 and 15% in 2006.

    Republicans have, as could be expected, increasing doubts: 66% now think the dangers of global warming have been exaggerated compared to 59% last year and 57% in 2007.

    The biggest increase in suspicious attitudes, though, is among independents. The share that believes global warming claims have been exaggerated has jumped by a third, from 33% in 2008 to 44% this year.

    This trend, as well as data from many other polls, indicates the public won't easily go along with the carbon tax that some in Washington want to burden the country with.

    Neither will they be happy with a cap-and-trade scheme, as the costs incurred by businesses that have to buy emissions credits will be passed on to them.

    Despite a steady media barrage of experts claiming that humans are responsible for global warming, Americans are growing wary.

    Since they aren't seeing the intense heat, destruction and displacement they've been told they would see, their unwillingness to pay massive amounts to guard against a phony threat should be no surprise. They don't want to buy a new sky if the one we've always had isn't falling.


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    By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY - Posted Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:20 PM PT

    Climate Change: Sen. John Kerry warns that deferring cap-and-trade in a recession is a "mutual suicide pact." In an effort to keep the glaciers from melting, he proposes putting the American economy in the deep freeze.

    "You don't enter a mutual suicide pact because the economy is having a hard time right now," the failed presidential hopeful and noted climatologist said Wednesday. "Climate change is not governed by a recession."

    But trying to prevent a bogus apocalypse can drive one into a depression.

    Kerry ignores the growing body of evidence presented by reputable scientists and including satellite observations, not computer models, that the earth has been cooling demonstrably since 1998 due to declining solar activity and other natural factors.

    He also ignores the warnings of cap-and-trade's economic consequences.

    The winter of 2008-09 has seen record cold temperatures and snowfalls around the globe, with snow reported in such unlikely places as Las Vegas and Malibu, Calif.

    As Al Gore might say (with apologies to Groucho Marx), who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?

    "The sun has gone quiet with fewer and fewer sun spots, and the global temperatures have gone into decline," notes Weather Channel founder and meteorologist John Coleman. "Earth has cooled for almost 10 straight years. So, I ask Al Gore: Where's the global warming?"

    More and more Americans are asking the same question (see "In Hot Pursuit Of CO2" on previous page).

    The skepticism of global warming and its dangers shown in the Gallup poll comes on the heels of a conference held by the Heartland Institute in New York earlier this week.

    It was attended by some 700 scientists, economists and policy makers confronting the issue "Global Warming: Was it ever really a crisis?"

    The consensus (sorry, Al) was a resounding no.

    Willie Soon, a Harvard University astrophysicist and geophysicist with scores of peer-reviewed papers and books to his credit, said he's "embarrassed and puzzled" by the shallow science in papers that undergird the proposition that the Earth faces a climate crisis caused by global warming.

    He called for a "fairness doctrine" to be "applied to the funding of research and to the journal-review and publishing of papers."

    One target of the attendees' scorn was NASA's Dr. James Hansen, himself recently caught fudging the numbers in declaring last October the warmest on record. Hansen helped organize a recent global warming march in Washington, D.C., during a snowstorm.

    John Theon, retired senior atmospheric scientist at NASA, and Hansen's former boss, accused Hansen, Gore's favorite scientist and Kerry's too, of "embarrassing NASA."

    Hansen, a NASA astronomer, once received a six-figure grant from the Heinz Foundation, run by Theresa Heinz Kerry, the wealthy wife of Sen. Kerry, and afterwards endorsed Kerry for president. Yet Hansen was never accused of having his opinions bought and paid for — unlike the many skeptics of global warming's claims.

    It's not the glaciers of the Antarctic that face a meltdown, but the American economy.

    An analysis by the George C. Marshall Institute estimates GDP losses of as much as 3% in 2015 and 10% in 2050 as a result of this cap-and-trade measure.

    This enormous cost will make the mortgage and market meltdowns a fond memory and undo any good the stimulus package may have produced.

    Cap-and-trade, the most popular way to address climate change, is a regressive tax that would hit the poor hardest.

    The Congressional Budget Office calculates that higher prices caused by a forced 15% cut in CO2 emissions would cost those in the bottom quintile $680 a year, or about 3.3% of their income. They're the poorest of the poor.

    The three middle quintiles would be socked between $880 and $1,500, or 2.7% to 2.9% of income. The rich would lose a mere 1.7%.

    Clearly Joe Sixpack in his modest Midwest bungalow would be hit harder than the Al Gores of the world.

    We call that spreading the poverty around. Cap-and-trade would be an economic tsunami.

    Rising prices, not rising sea levels, are what threaten us. Scrap the cap.


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    Just another ruse in the name of something else

    Notice that we're not hearing much if anything about it.....

    Has Anyone Read the Copenhagen Agreement?

    U.N. plans for a new 'government' are scary.

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    The "scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention" that starts on page 18 contains the provision for a "government." The aim is to give a new as yet unnamed U.N. body the power to directly intervene in the financial, economic, tax and environmental affairs of all the nations that sign the Copenhagen treaty.


    The reason for the power grab is clear enough: Clause after complicated clause of the draft treaty requires developed countries to pay an "adaptation debt" to developing countries to supposedly support climate change mitigation. Clause 33 on page 39 says that "by 2020 the scale of financial flows to support adaptation in developing countries must be [at least $67 billion] or [in the range of $70 billion to $140 billion per year]."



    And how will developed countries be slugged to provide for this financial flow to the developing world? The draft text sets out various alternatives, including option seven on page 135, which provides for "a [global] levy of 2 per cent on international financial market [monetary] transactions to Annex I Parties." Annex 1 countries are industrialized countries, which include among others the U.S., Australia, Britain and Canada.............

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    Copenhagen treaty will establish Marxist World Government


    Atleast some good news....


    U.N. official expects no climate treaty at Copenhagen

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    Those who can not accept and embrace a united one world order and live together in peace and harmony among their fellow humons are headed for where the Neanderthals went. FACT. I can't prove it YET, but eventually I'll be able too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Just another ruse in the name of something else

    Notice that we're not hearing much if anything about it.....
    But it could be the catalyst for an uprising of epic proportions should the president decide to take this path. Dare I say revolution?
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    Hmmmm.....

    The Road to Copenhagen Part I: The Club of Rome


    “(…) Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime- sort of an international superagency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus, the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and the oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DC’s and LDC’s, and including all food on the international market. The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and or each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime should have some power to enforce the agreed limits.” John P. Holdren, Paul and Anne Ehrlich, Ecoscience, 1977

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    In this first of several articles, I set out to identify the blueprint of modern day eugenics and its intimate ties to the environmental movement. In fact, the more one researches this union, forged in the blood of millions in the last century, the more one realises that the anthropogenic global warming swindle is not just tied to eugenics. It is eugenics.



    In 1968 a think-tank emerged out of the back alleys of the face-lifted eugenics movement called the Club of Rome. Nurtured from its very conception as a beacon of light to which all environmentalist ships should navigate, its creators knew that the green movement they had set out to create, was designed to blame man for the supposed predicament the earth was in. As a consequence the number of people should be reduced lest the earth crumble under his crushing weight. The only thing to be done, so argued the Club, was for a global body of power to enforce depopulation goals as decided upon by the global elite.


    Of what people does this global elite consist? Well just google ‘Club of Rome members’ and compare the names on the membership lists with those on the list of attendants of the annual Bilderberg conferences and you will discover the very same cast of characters, setting up the rules in the New World Order. You’ll find Al Gore, David Rockefeller, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, and all the other enemies of all free humanity and their cronies.....................


    In the 1991 publication “The First Global Revolution: A Report to the Club of Rome” by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider, the common denominator that the world would need to rally around was identified in all clarity:



    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution,the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”



    This contrived and purposeful enemy arrived in the shape of man-made global warming. And to think that all of us gullible gadgets were fooled into believing that any climate change was caused by that big lamp in the sky, determining not just earth’s overall temperatures but those of all planets in the solar system........


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    There is a Part II....I'll put it up in a day or few.....

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    Just heard on the radio here that Al Gore will NOT be attending this meeting, due to "schedule conflicts"!!!!

    The reporter says it hasn't hit the English speaking press yet, however is in the Danish media.

    If it wasn't for this pimpster, there probably would be no Copenhagen Agreement conference.

    Guess he isn't willing to talk about or address Climategate

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    Need to watch and see how/if Obama addresses Climategate


    Denmark beefs up security for climate summit
    By JAN M. OLSEN (AP) – 1 hour ago


    COPENHAGEN — In Denmark's biggest security operation since World War II, police are mobilizing thousands of officers and — for the first time — a water cannon for next week's U.N. climate summit.


    Copenhagen police demonstrated the German-made 22-ton vehicle to media Thursday, showcasing it mainly as a beefed-up fire truck that could spray water on burning cars or trash bins if protests get out of hand.
    But police spokesman Michael Engell said it was possible to add tear gas to the 1.5 million-gallon (6,000-liter) water tank, implying that the cannon could also be aimed at rioting protesters. Police said they have never before used such a vehicle.


    At least 100 world leaders, including President Barack Obama, will converge on the normally tranquil city in the next two weeks to try to forge a new pact against global warming.


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    Alex Jones seems to have it first

    Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch


    Watts Up With That
    Thursday, December 3, 2009


    It seems the uncertainty about Copenhagen is growing. When Al baby pulls the plug, you know it’s hosed.


    From Berlingske: Al Gore cancels lecture during COP15


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    COWARD!!!!

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    Gore sucks. If he was standing in front of me right now, I'd be mighty tempted to kick his ass. Why? Just because I can't stand the guy, he's a total maggot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinorumus View Post
    Gore sucks. If he was standing in front of me right now, I'd be mighty tempted to kick his ass. Why? Just because I can't stand the guy, he's a total maggot.
    Well, I probably agree with you for different reasons... He is a hypocrite of the worst kind. Everything he condemns, he does himself. He's either just looking to make money, or he is a paid shill for those who know the real truth about what is going on with the climate/earth changes! Either way, E-Gore is a liar.
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    Hey, lets turn this into a bash Alghore thread. This climate change argument is kind of pointless. We already know what needs to be done to keep the planet clean and healthy and influenza free. Make everyone poor and tax the hell out of all the unnecessary junk in life. And when all the junk factories are closed down and everyone is unemployed and poor and hungry and can't afford meat, the majority can become farmers as their new career and grow good healthy influenza free food. And, with everyone becoming so much more healthy, and because everyone now works a manual labor job in the new world with so very little oil, health care costs will dwindle and solve that problem too. Gawd, I must be the smartest person in the world to come up with these perfect solutions all by myself when everyone else didn't think of this.

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