Who was Jesus?

[RedDog]

Hopefully I've shown above that I agree it never gets erased. Rather we get our focus stuck on the physical side, and our memories actually get "lost" under hypnotically implanted false memories. I disagree that remembering clearly would interfere. In fact, a large part of my "work" is trying to remember better. I think "the truth will set you free" applies specificallly to remembering clearly. Still, I actually think you and I are pretty close to agreement between our CBTs except for the question of whether we are in prison or in school. I think, as you said several posts back, that we probably have to agree to disagree, and I think that's OK.

I don't know about all the other sanity checks you've engaged in but the statements you make that are pulled out of the Bible are pretty clear to me.
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free".

Isn't the "truth" of why we are here illrelevant? Only the truth that we `are', is of import to us, and what we choose to do while we are here. Checking to see if the door is lock, after we've left the House, and then rechecking again and again seems like a waste of time and lacks any rationale basis. We are out, now, what are you going to do?

[earthist]

I don't know about all the other sanity checks you've engaged in but the statements you make that are pulled out of the Bible are pretty clear to me.
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free".

Isn't the "truth" of why we are here illrelevant? Only the truth that we `are', is of import to us, and what we choose to do while we are here. Checking to see if the door is lock, after we've left the House, and then rechecking again and again seems like a waste of time and lacks any rationale basis. We are out, now, what are you going to do?

Not sure I'm getting all your meaning here, but it sounds like you're content with knowing you are, and with not knowing the why nor wherefor of all the pain and insanity that goes on around us. You also do not mention any sense of having caused or contributed to any of it.

In humility, I honor your choice, but it's not mine. I want to know, and I want to change it. It's definitely NOT irrelevant! But I'm repeating myself.

[williamstade]

Funny. I spent yesterday and last night arriving at the conclusion that religion, and the monotheism that many good people point towards, including myself, is worthless.

Yet, I still believe that christianity, when it does broach its' mysterious word love, as the grand design itself, may be still trying to express a deep and incomprehensible to me, perhaps mostly, truth.

But that sorta 1960s-ish all you need is love type of 'trip' (laugh) still rings about right in my ears even if the hoakiness has to go.

Love might these days be the more valid word than all the lunacy that religion as a simple three syllable word has unleashed now and historically in the world.

Love, what is it though? In the mind of the beholder? A lofty eternal premise? Patience, kindness and stuff that sounds similar? Anybodys' guess? I believe so.

William

[RedDog]

Love might these days be the more valid word than all the lunacy that religion as a simple three syllable word has unleashed now and historically in the world.

Love, what is it though? In the mind of the beholder? A lofty eternal premise? Patience, kindness and stuff that sounds similar? Anybodys' guess? I believe so.

William

"Tell me what you love and I'll tell you who you are." Love defines us better than the negative emotions, like hate, greed, envy and lust. If we choose love more often than hate, then the definition of us seems to expand in wonderful ways. Hate can work the same way, but its destructive side effect makes its usefulness to our lives of little value. Whereas, Love, has so many positive side effects, why wouldn't we choose that to focus our energy upon if we are being rational?

[RedDog]

Not sure I'm getting all your meaning here, but it sounds like you're content with knowing you are, and with not knowing the why nor wherefor of all the pain and insanity that goes on around us. You also do not mention any sense of having caused or contributed to any of it.

In humility, I honor your choice, but it's not mine. I want to know, and I want to change it. It's definitely NOT irrelevant! But I'm repeating myself.

Let's break down your statement...
"...content with KNOWING YOU ARE, and with NOT KNOWING the why nor wherefore..."

Knowing you are, is a gnostic statement. A form of enlightenment which brings with it a Knowing of the why's and wherefores'. Once you KNOW, there is no longer any issues with NOT KNOWING. Good and Evil, Right and Wrong, truth and falseness, are artifacts of this reality which lays below KNOWING.

[earthist]

Funny. I spent yesterday and last night arriving at the conclusion that religion, and the monotheism that many good people point towards, including myself, is worthless.

Yet, I still believe that christianity, when it does broach its' mysterious word love, as the grand design itself, may be still trying to express a deep and incomprehensible to me, perhaps mostly, truth.

But that sorta 1960s-ish all you need is love type of 'trip' (laugh) still rings about right in my ears even if the hoakiness has to go.

Love might these days be the more valid word than all the lunacy that religion as a simple three syllable word has unleashed now and historically in the world.

Love, what is it though? In the mind of the beholder? A lofty eternal premise? Patience, kindness and stuff that sounds similar? Anybodys' guess? I believe so.

William

I think Div said it pretty well here:

http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/s...033#post279033

I can sense, feel, acknowledge, love. We ALL can.

I haven't however felt or sensed anything remotely related to a biblical god. There are times I think I may have sensed something more akin to gaia (or rather, a collective force of all living things), but that's a feeling I pick up from all living things. It's a feeling of love for all living things, from humans, to animals, to plants, to bugs, and whatever else that lives. But, I can't say that is something that actually exists, it's just one of those harmless beliefs, more like a suspicion, and nothing I could stake my life upon, or go about trying to get others to believe in. If everyone were feeling that, then maybe that could be considered proof in itself, like love. Or, maybe everyone does sense it, but some were programmed to believe it is that notion of an omnipotent deity, before they had a chance to figure it out on their own. I know you can program a human to believe 2 + 2 = 5, before they have had a chance to figure out 2 + 2 = 4 all on their own. Hate is also another thing humons can be programmed to exhibit. One only need to think back to not so many years ago when blacks were hated by many, many that had no reason or cause to hate, other than that is how they were programmed to think and believe.

[williamstade]

"Tell me what you love and I'll tell you who you are." Love defines us better than the negative emotions, like hate, greed, envy and lust. If we choose love more often than hate, then the definition of us seems to expand in wonderful ways. Hate can work the same way, but its destructive side effect makes its usefulness to our lives of little value. Whereas, Love, has so many positive side effects, why wouldn't we choose that to focus our energy upon if we are being rational?

Well wow, that was a pleasure to read. Sounded true also gratefully. Thanks!

William

[Figtree]

One way to describe Jesus of Nazareth would be to say that he was a character in a cartoon which is imagined by the ultimate originator [UO] of this and all other cartoons; but that would be an incomplete description because Jesus was used by the UO as a sock puppet. That is, Jesus appeared to be merely Jesus but was actually controlled by the UO.

Some people might advance the argument that everybody and everything is controlled by the UO. Although that is logically the case; our observations of the cartoon, of which we are a part, have led us to believe that the UO pretends that there are random events.

When this idea is mentioned, some people become anxious because one of the implications is that the UO is insane, if insanity were to be defined to be pretending that something were real while being aware that it were not real.

Even if that were to be the case, it would still be moot because we are still cartoon characters whose only existence is in the imagination of the UO; so a discussion about the sanity of the UO is moot. That is to say, so what if the UO were to be considered insane by our standards? What difference in our situation would that make? It would make no difference because we would still be in this same situation: cartoon characters in an imaginary cartoon.

When this idea is mentioned, some people have wondered the reason that the UO would imagine people, and would imagine that they have free will. In other words, what's the point? Many answers have been alleged to have been provided by the UO in the past. Each of these alleged answers has become the basis for a different religion.

Among the different religions are three which are more closely related than any of the other religions. Those three are Judaism, Christianity, and Mormonism. A review of their scriptures led to the discovery that a message from the UO had been hidden in parts of their scriptures in such a way that the message could not be clearly seen until and unless the parts were put together.

Although not all parts of the message have been discovered yet, all of the parts in the first four books of the New Testament have been discovered and have been put together. That portion of the message is displayed at the homepage of http://www.thisgoodriddle.com

Some people have glanced at the portion of the message on the homepage and have failed to notice that it is different in an important way from the contents of the three scriptures on which it is based. The crucial difference is that the portion of the message consists entirely of riddles which could and should be solved in order to understand it. Hints and clues about solving the riddles have therefore been provided on the site. Good luck in solving them.

[RedDog]

"The hearing ear and the seeing eye, The Lord has made both of them" (Proverbs 20:12).

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

Something about the automous free will of us existing here, now, while having these meme's ciculating around us waiting for us to become focused or open to the intent and meaning, makes this place most interesting.

These messages or meme's imparted by, what you call the UO, are similar to the seeds cast about by the wind, with the exception that we can control our own personal state of fertileness.

"Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given" (Mark 4:24).

p.s. Welcome to the IW forums

[Judee]

Figtree, welcome to IW!

[Alpha]

Comparative Mythology: Jesus, Mithras and Osiris




The Hidden Story Of Jesus



Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates amazing parallels to the Christ story in other faiths, some of them predating Christianity by thousands of years. The Hindu god, Krishna, was conceived by a virgin and his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds. Buddha was also the result of a miraculous birth and visited by wise men bearing gifts. Beckford attempts to unravel the mystery of why there are so many versions of the Christ story across the world and asks which is the real one.
Was the Christ Story stolen from other, older religions? Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates remarkable parallels between the stories of Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, and other major religious entities, and examines how these similarities impact Christianity and its message.

[Judee]

'Jesus' is one name for many characters. The origin IMO, is Annunaki. I know that won't be popular with many, but too many things point to that, and I'm sure those videos clarify what I mean.