Farm Worker Fires At Crop Circle Tourists!

[blackeyes]

Hi Blackeyes, yeah, I'd not seen the sarcasm. My new conjecture is that they are being placed by bored mentalist blue whales. Yes, literal blue whales. Smile, just an attempt at humor.

William

Anything is possible.

[blackeyes]

Lol, no they are not. There are a couple of business that make crop circles for profit. They've been doing it for years, and making a pretty good living at it. Ya'll aren't thinking them things are made by ETs are ya (lol).


What's a hoax crop circle? One that looks like one, but ain't?

Come on people, this is getting to be a little over the top. It's one thing to be gullible, and it's another to be GULLIBLE!

CircleMakers

and of course How to make crop circles can be found on the Internet. And there's also HowStuffWorks.

Really now, who else could be making these things other than humons?

I consider hoaxes as the ones that were placed in the crop by humans. Many are hoaxes but some are not. Watch the video I posted above. Look at the evidence. Some are clearly a mystery.

[blackeyes]

I found this for Div. The evidence is undeniable. At first look a hoaxed crop formation looks real but it's the changes in the soil and plants that give them away. No hoaxer can replicated magnetic changes in the soil that radiates out from each and every circle in a formation or the nodes that have exploded outwards from internal steam. Lots of good evidence to support none human activity in the fields.

http://www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm

[Divinorumus]

Really now, if these were not created by humons, then what? Bunnies? Pigeons? Intelligent ball lightening? Ants? Martians? What else could be making these patterns in the fields other than humons? When you have only ONE POSSIBILITY, then it has to be that!

Really, I don't mean to be insulting at all, it's just how I see it, but I know just how gullible and illogical some humons can be. It's like how it wasn't long ago that some humons believed there were Martians on Mars ready to invade the Earth. These FAR FETCHED illogical ideas without a shred of supporting evidence are .. well, frankly, a sign of lower intelligence, or a lack of or lower logical reasoning skills. Again, I don't say this to be insulting, or to suggest anyone is of lower intelligence, but how does one propose what they believe is going on and behind all these illogical explanations and claims? I really don't mean to come across or to appear demeaning or insulting or any of that, it's just what I think is the only logical answer to why some people can't believe that crop circles are man made. It's the same reason why some humons think there is an omnipotent deity when no proof exists to even suggest such a thing, or why some kids can be fooled into thinking Santa Claus exists while others can't. Call it a defect in my head if you prefer, an inability to take a WILD GUESS and turn it into some kind of make-believe fact .. an inability to allow the illogical to rule my mind.

Now, I'm still open to other crop circle explanations, however, without any supporting evidence to even lead one to a rational logical hypothesis, the only conclusion I can come to right now, and given the evidence that humons ARE making these things, is that they ARE responsible. If one day I see rabbits making symmetrical designs in the sand, I might consider them responsible, but until then my mind is only capable of operating with facts and logic. For me to take a thing with such a logical explanation and substitute a wild fantasy explanation is just impossible, I can't do it, my head does not work that way. All data and evidence does support the idea that humons make these things. I am not easily fooled, and when I am or have been, it's only because I tossed common sense and logic out the window.

Again, I don't mean at all to be insulting, but honestly, when I see grown adults thinking there is some kind of unexplainable phenomenon behind these crop circles, I see kids believing in the tooth fairy. Please, don't take that as an insult, it's just me being honest about how my head works. It's humons doing that, and there simply is no evidence to suggest otherwise .. and in fact plenty of evidence to support the conclusion that it is and MUST be humons.

The way my head works is why I probably choose computer programming as a career long ago .. if my head functioned otherwise, I would be a horrible computer guy, believing that a crash computer is caused by demons or angry spirits .. and nothing would ever get fixed, ha. I exist in a world where most everything appears to makes sense and has a logical answer or explanation .. except humon minds, ha. I could no more believe that a crop circle was made by termites than I could believe in the tooth fairy or that angry demons crashed my computer .. my head just doesn't function like that. I see things for what they clearly appear to be when all evidence suggest so and lacking any other evidence that would suggest otherwise.

[earthist]

Are they human-made, or are they "paranormally" made? I don't have a horse in this race, but something bothers me a lot, and it's time to raise the issue.

Certainly, some are human-made, so let's agree to eliminate those. The vast majority remain "unexplained." It would be easy and obvious to assert that all are human made, since some obviously are. But so-called researchers have come up with evidence to show that some, at least, cannot have been humanly made. This keeps the issue in doubt. If we are to believe that all are humanly made, we must refute this evidence. However, even before we begin on that task, I ask the age-old question: Qui bono? Who benefits?

In other words, follow the money. And that's what bothers me so much. Why is no one investigating that?

I start from the assumption that if I am a farmer, I grow my crop with the idea that I'm going to sell it for profit. If someone or something destroys some of my crop, I presume I'm going to be angry about it. I'm going to call for an investigation by the police. If this happens frequently, I would assume the call for investigation is going to get pretty loud. Which leads me to my next irritation: why do we hear nothing about police investigation, or even about calls for such?

Aside: I am aware that at least one group was apprehended several years back (late 90s IIRC), and had to pay restitution and a fine. But that's the only one I've ever heard of. Maybe there have been others, but the info is apparently being kept pretty quiet.

So, if the farmers aren't angry, the next obvious question is are they being somehow compensated? As a crop circle investigator, that is the first question I would pose, and I would pose it over and over again to the farmers: Are you angry? Have you reported to the police? Have you been compensated? As far as I know, none of these questions gets asked, either by proponents or by debunkers. I suggest that one or possibly two researchers asking those questions would bring a rapid end to the vast majority of human-made crop circles in a year or less, even if no court-level proof were found.

So, not having the time nor the interest to investigate myself, I will speculate a bit as to why no one else is asking these questions.

I suggest they are not being asked because someone is making money from the controversy, and doesn't want it ended. And the obvious profiteer would be: the crop circle researchers who are the very ones providing us with the "proof" that they cannot be man made. Qui bono? The authors and movie-makers. And, to avoid the farmers raising hell, I presume the farmers are being paid as well. In addition to the few 10s or perhaps hundred of dollars for the lost crop, some, I know, have also charged admission fees for the public to view their fields.

How much do the authors and movie-makers generally make from their books? That's the next question I'd ask. I don't know the answer. Is it enough to make it profitable to pay the farmers? Short of investigting myself, I can't imagine anyone's getting rich this way, but the question needs answering. Oh, and by the way, the debunkers are also selling books -- let's not forget that. The last thing they want is to end the controversy. So, no one's going to become the next Warren Buffet, but, maybe a few of them can make a living at it. In any case, why is no one investigating this??

Finally, there's the obvious argument that says if these are really paranormal, then there's no money trail to follow. I say, let's investigate and find out! I say that if it were paranormal, these questions would have been thoroughly investigated and answered over and over again, and the information, or lack of it would be well known by now.

I repeat that I have no horse in this race, but these things bother me a lot when I take time to think about it. Am I the only one?

[Divinorumus]

It would be easy and obvious to assert that all are human made, since some obviously are.

Well, what other possible logical explanation could there be? Rabbits? Deer? Prairie dogs? Geese? Grasshoppers?

Mommy: "Okay, who spilled milk all over the floor?" ... Little kids: "It was a spook, mommy, an honest to god spook, some kind of milk spilling demon, I tell ya." .. Mommy: "Oh yeah, that makes sense, you could be right."

But so-called researchers have come up with evidence to show that some, at least, cannot have been humanly made.

I've never seen any verifiable credible proof that this could be the case. And, what is a researcher anyhow? Someone that goes on hunches, guesses, illogical conclusions? What part of a crop circle is a humon incapable of creating? I've seen nothing in a crop circle that a humon couldn't create.

Why is it that, as with UNIDENTIFIED objects in the sky, if one doesn't know the answer to something, they assume it MUST be aliens, or witches, or spooks and demons, or some other wild fantasy thing that nobody has ever seen or had proof of before? What causes that? As with UFOs, if I see something in the sky I can not identify, I blame that on my lack of knowledge and proof of what that is ... I don't go jumping to illogical conclusions. If it started to snow here in the middle of July, and I haven't a good explanation RIGHT NOW to the cause, I won't go jumping to conclusions that it's caused by my neighbor, the WITCH. "Lets burn her at the stake, she's a witch I tell ya, a witch, because SHE must be responsible for snow in July .. ain't no way anything in nature could have caused THAT."

I'm running out of patience with these Earth humons, ha. Here, pull my finger, and smell a demon fly out my rear.

[earthist]

Well, what other possible logical explanation could there be? Rabbits? Deer? Prairie dogs? Geese? Grasshoppers?

Mommy: "Okay, who spilled milk all over the floor?" ... Little kids: "It was a spook, mommy, an honest to god spook, some kind of milk spilling demon, I tell ya." .. Mommy: "Oh yeah, that makes sense, you could be right."

The point is that they're unexplained. Who else could it be? We DON'T KNOW! Below, you seem to say that's acceptable, but here, you seem to say it's not. Sorry, you're losing me.

I've never seen any verifiable credible proof that this could be the case. And, what is a researcher anyhow? Someone that goes on hunches, guesses, illogical conclusions? What part of a crop circle is a humon incapable of creating? I've seen nothing in a crop circle that a humon couldn't create.

Did you read the post? Did I not imply exactly that? Where have we failed to connect here?

Why is it that, as with UNIDENTIFIED objects in the sky, if one doesn't know the answer to something, they assume it MUST be aliens, or witches, or spooks and demons, or some other wild fantasy thing that nobody has ever seen or had proof of before? What causes that? As with UFOs, if I see something in the sky I can not identify, I blame that on my lack of knowledge and proof of what that is ... I don't go jumping to illogical conclusions. If it started to snow here in the middle of July, and I haven't a good explanation RIGHT NOW to the cause, I won't go jumping to conclusions that it's caused by my neighbor, the WITCH. "Lets burn her at the stake, she's a witch I tell ya, a witch, because SHE must be responsible for snow in July .. ain't no way anything in nature could have caused THAT."

I'm running out of patience with these Earth humons, ha. Here, pull my finger, and smell a demon fly out my rear.

There's no harm in speculating. If your point is that we need to label speculation better so it doesn't come out as certainty, then I agree with you. As far as I can see, though, no one in this thread has said anything more than that they are unexplained unless you credit the blue whale joke which was clearly labelled as humor.

Again, I ask, did you read the whole post? If so, it should be apparent that it supports your postition that it's very likely these things are man made. Except that it sounds like you want something beyond "most likely." You seem to want certainty. You can have certainty, but only for yourself. Everyone else gets to decide for themselves just like you and I get to do.

Have I missed your point? Have you missed mine?

[Divinorumus]

I'm just saying, I think I pretty much know what most species upon this planet are capable of accomplishing, and humons certainly appear to be the only creatures capable of creating this kind of field art/advertising. Now, if it's not humons, then what other creatures could it be then? If everyone thinks humons are too stupid to create such rudimentary designs in a crop field, then what species are? .. When I was a little kid on Easter, and found a colored egg hiding somewhere on that day, I knew where it came from, regardless of the lies others were telling me. It's also why my opinion of the humon species has been on the decline ever since that day ... or was it since Christmas, ha. Come on now people, stop trying to pull my leg, I'm a grown up here, and I know ain't no bunnies making them works of field art, and it ain't some bug eyes little green men that traveled all the way to Earth just to pull our legs and play a joke on us either. It's a bunch of jokester humons having a good laugh on the gullible. It use to be funny, but now it's become pitifully ridiculous.

[williamstade]

Hi Div.. Geez, it's been days. I believe the last time we spoke I claimed the need to smoke a contemporary times green dubious illicit substance just to keep a sense of good will over a number of the statements I was hearing you make. Anyway, the river just a'keeps on movin' doesn't it?

I've always kept tossing the crop circle phenomenon as being listed under the UFO phenomenon in a similar manner that cattle mutilations are often attributed to 'them', the not necesarily ET flying things anomalies.

Maybe it's that odd disembodied female astral entity you and I talked about briefly months ago? Any recall?

Though, the idea that it might be a small group of humon tech. geeks playing with modern toys is intrigueing to my ears and never gave it much thought before reading and posting in this thread.

Ah, these topics... I wonder if we'll ever really, really know.

William