TV Fakery & No Airplane Theory

[BenSlain]

Me and my friends? What the hockey sticks are you talking about? I got tossed out of the FF By a couple of nut balls. Came here on day one to get this place in order, and ended up at Sean's and a few other places where normalcy rules the day.

If you have any inside info that I'm leaving out then let me in on it.

[VOguy]

I got tossed out of the FF By a couple of nut balls.

Consider getting bounced as a badge of honor, Ben. Staying there is like going to traffic court to defend your position of an arrest for DUI, and finding out the judge is Foster Brooks.

[maryals]

Alpha, where is the post I made right after this one by VO guy? OK, so there was a "down for maintenance" alert about 5 minutes after that post of mine appeared, are you gonna say my post got "lost" somehow?
Well, OK, I'll just re-write it ...

Mary and Bessie

[maryals]

the wording will be a little different cuz I don't remember exactly what I wrote at 1 a.m. Alaska time but the thoughts are the same
Hi Ben Hi Sean
I say this with love in my heart, to my dear friends here, that I have observed times, such as here, when, if someone expresses an opinion that differs from the majority opinion of a particular topic, they get stomped on.
Our old friend, whom we sometimes love, sometimes hate, sometimes hate to love and love to hate, BenSlain, came on to share his feelings and he gets stomped on.
To your credit Alpha, you apologized. But the damage was done. It's the sort of thing that scares away a new comer and is not in keeping with the wonderful things said by Doc P over HERE
As for these Videos on this Thread and the arguments made: Just MNSHO here: Raw video, that hasn't been cleaned up for contrast and brightness, will show odd shadows and light ... brightness where there should be shadow, shadow where there should be light, and even odd sky colors.
Speaking of "odd" sky color ... anyone can check the Naval Astronomical charts to see the angle of elevation of the sun at any time of day. Check NWS weather records for temp and humidity at any time of day, as well as particulate in the air including pollen, yes pollen even in a city.. THEN come back and tell me that the sky color is "odd" on that or any video.
You see, here's the thing ... folks like the author of this Thread are making extra ordinary claims, so, extra ordinary proofs must be given.
If I can poke holes in your theories regarding those videos, then those "proofs" fall apart.
Even after all these years many of us are still feeling the raw emotions of that day. Friends respect those emotions.

Mary and Bessie

[Alpha]

Alpha, where is the post I made right after this one by VO guy? OK, so there was a "down for maintenance" alert about 5 minutes after that post of mine appeared, are you gonna say my post got "lost" somehow?
Well, OK, I'll just re-write it ...

Mary and Bessie

I have no idea what happened to your post Mary....I didn't see your original.

There are only 2 possibilities, from what I know of my limited tech expertise....either you somehow left in in preview mode without posting it or it was lost when the forum was closed for maintenance. Anything submitted around/during the time of close would be subject to loss before the server updates and backs it up.

[AgainHayHut]

Sean:

Maybe considering the job Ben has he would consider this insulting.

I consider this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense offensive. Its offensive to the people of New York who witnessed it as it was happening, of which there were thousands. Its offensive to the law enforcement officers and fire fighters who were there and witnessed it live as it was happening. It is especially offensive to those who lost family members and friends that day.

#1: The existence of the NYFD/NYPD/Families does not contradict the idea that 9/11 was a false-flag.

#2: "Thousands of witnesses" did not report airplanes going into the WTC. Most of the witnesses initially reported that a smaller aircraft had struck, and many witnesses only heard/saw an explosion. The witnesses that did see airplanes were 'anonymous' New Yorkers who exhibited the characteristics of bad actors and people with known connections to the newsmedia/military.

In my opinion, both the "Thousands Of Witnesses" and "Insulting to the NYFD/NYPD/Families" arguments are what US Military Cyber Command personnel are trained to use on "9/11 conspiracy theorists" online.

I am to beleive what so many witnessed live while it was happening to all be some sort of simulation?
Am I to beleive what i saw live on TV, as it was happening, to be some sort of simulation, fakery?

Nonsense!

The fact that it was seen live on TV doesn't mean anything, considering the fact that I am arguing that the "live" videos are fake.

The military/media has been talking about broadcasting fake images on TV since 1995, so it is "nonsense" to say that the very idea of TV Fakery is "nonsense".

And with all of the hard evidence proving these videos to be fake, I am insulted at how closed-minded you are towards this.

I'm not even an American, but i find the mere suggestion that your own Gov't to be involved in the mass murder of thousands of its own citizens, offensive.

But what if it's true? Are we to ignore it and not expose it because we don't want to be "offensive"?

Sorry, that ain't happening.

Benslain:

Tell us responders and law enforcement people how those cartoon bodies blew apart when they hit the ground.

Sure I'll tell you (and whoever else you want me to tell) that the photos/videos are fake -- if you zoom in on any of those Jumper photos, you can clearly see it's fake. If you want to argue that people jumped, then go ahead, but the videos/photos of it aren't real, and that's a provable fact.

[AgainHayHut]

MuseNoir:

I looked at the vicsim site -- It was really unconvincing to me.... people did die that day, and although the numbers on various websites may differ, I think that is just a reflection of the confusion of this event, not anything beyond that.

I do believe that people died, but that the death toll was less than what we were told. There are a lot of photoshopped pictures on the "Memorial" pages, and when you look into many of these victims, something doesn't seem right at all.

When I look up the names of the people making the comments at the memorial pages and track them down using people databases (Intelius, WhitePages), I find that they have military APO addresses. What's up with that?

As for the contradictory memorials, 'confusion'/'fog of war' cannot be argued, as these memorials were made well after the attacks.

As a very good photoshopper myself, I know what can be done with image manipulation - it is hard to tell from a website with compressed images what is real or not - in ANY subject matter.

I am aware of this, but the 9/11 news footage exhibits problems and signs of fakery that cannot be explained by video compression.

Additionally, I was not in NY that day, but I have seen numerous videos where you can hear the bodies hitting the ground -- people really did die that day in horrible ways. Lots of them.

I'm not arguing that no one jumped, but the photos/videos I've seen appear to be fake.

The only victims whose ultimate fate I question, are the plane passengers from the Pentagon and the Shanksville flights.

Every video of "Flight 11" and "Flight 175" appears to be fake. Flight 11 wasn't even scheduled to fly that day. I think we can safely put them on the list of "Missing 9/11 Planes".

[AgainHayHut]

Facts:

-Aluminum airplanes cannot glide effortlessly through steel buildings as if they are not there. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-The plastic nosecone of an aluminum airplane cannot fly through entire steel floor pans and then emerge on the other side of a steel building in perfect shape. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-If an airplane's nose (somehow) crashes through the other side of a building, there will always be an exit hole on the other side to show that it punched through. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-Top TV broadcasting equipment will never show you multi-colored skies (Yellow, Green, Blue, Dark) when taking shots of a clear New York day. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-Airplanes cannot fly at speeds of over 500mph at low altitude. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-When an airplane hits a building, the different videos taken of the event will show us flight paths that don't contradict each other. Therefore, the videos are fake.

These are only a few of the countless reasons why we know that the videos were fake and that there were no airplanes.

[BenSlain]

Facts:

-Aluminum airplanes cannot glide effortlessly through steel buildings as if they are not there. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-The plastic nosecone of an aluminum airplane cannot fly through entire steel floor pans and then emerge on the other side of a steel building in perfect shape. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-If an airplane's nose (somehow) crashes through the other side of a building, there will always be an exit hole on the other side to show that it punched through. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-Top TV broadcasting equipment will never show you multi-colored skies (Yellow, Green, Blue, Dark) when taking shots of a clear New York day. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-Airplanes cannot fly at speeds of over 500mph at low altitude. Therefore, the videos are fake.

-When an airplane hits a building, the different videos taken of the event will show us flight paths that don't contradict each other. Therefore, the videos are fake.

These are only a few of the countless reasons why we know that the videos were fake and that there were no airplanes.

Bull. All these responses by you are nothing more than conjecture. Why are they true...Because you say so? I know people who were there. Are you saying my friends are not telling the truth and are part of some big conspiracy. Believe me.....they don't have time for such garbage and most of them couldn't pull it off if they were.


If it were not such a sad terrible thing your post would be laughable. Unfortunately your gullibility just comes across as sad and strange. Who are you and what do you do all day that lets you devote such time to this type of thing.

[AgainHayHut]

Bull. All these responses by you are nothing more than conjecture. Why are they true...Because you say so?

No, because the laws of motion/physics say so. Pick one out of those that you disagree with.

I know people who were there. Are you saying my friends are not telling the truth and are part of some big conspiracy. Believe me.....they don't have time for such garbage and most of them couldn't pull it off if they were.

The Original No Planers:
Most Witnesses at the WTC Heard And Saw No Planes
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?pag...nal_no_planers

And most of the initial reports stated that a smaller aircraft had hit. I also know researchers who have spoken to witnesses who only saw a small black object hit the Towers.

If it were not such a sad terrible thing your post would be laughable. Unfortunately your gullibility just comes across as sad and strange. Who are you and what do you do all day that lets you devote such time to this type of thing.

If you are going to bring insults into this, then just don't bother posting.

[BenSlain]

"the laws of motion/physics say so"

Er...sorry son but that's wrong. A conspiracy page on the internet says that.


"If you are going to bring insults into this, then just don't bother posting. "[/quote]

Insults?.....so when if a different POV an insult?...what is your definition of that?

Like I said from the start your first post was insulting. You are obsessed with this and it's sad. You're just a child still. Go out and play.

And you're right I won't bother any more. It's ridiculous and a waist of time. (although more for you than for me)

Well it seems that what you said above is not true...you wrote this:

A 16 year old sitting in his basement looking up things on the internet that happened when he was 7 years old is not research.

Now that is personal and "insulting"

I asked you much earlier in this thread...you have something to bring to this conversation, than let's see it....what do you have Ben?

Why?...we should believe you because you're older and a police officer?

Maybe you're the disinformation agent here

[AgainHayHut]

Er...sorry son but that's wrong.

I'm not your 'son', so please drop the condescending attitude.

A conspiracy page on the internet says that.

No -- retired aerospace engineers say that. The known, simple, observable laws of motion say that. Perhaps you should read them.

Like I said from the start your first post was insulting.

I didn't personally insult anyone in my initial post. If you found my initial argument to be insulting, then that's your own mind's doing. I didn't make a personal attack on you, so you are completely wrong in acting condescending towards me. All you are making yourself look like is a troll.

You are obsessed with this and it's sad.

I must be a bit more obsessed with it than you are, because I've obviously done more research. I know you'd like us to believe that doing research is a bad thing or 'sad', but some people aren't going to buy the CNN images just because "we saw them on TV". Some people are going to give it a second look.

You're just a child still. Go out and play.

Do you think I'd insult your age, region, name, race, gender, etc.? Nope. And I haven't. You, on the other hand, knowing that you have done no research and have no facts on your side, are compelled to take the low road and launch an ad-hominem attack on my age.

And you're right I won't bother any more. It's ridiculous and a waist of time.

Okay. Bye, troll.

[BenSlain]

A 16 year old sitting in his basement looking up things on the internet that happened when he was 7 years old is not research.