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    Natural Pet Medicine - Supplements - Remedies - Recipes - Recommendations & Requests

    A few nights ago, in the TO we somehow got on the topic of homemade and natural remedies and supplements to keep our pets healthy, without relying on Pet Big Pharma.

    We decided it would be a good idea to share what we all knew, use and hope that others would do the same in a thread here, so here it is.

    I'll just copy and paste what was contributed that night:

    Quote Originally Posted by Topper
    Before I left Texas the old County Vet gave me the home recipe for a ph balanced ear wash for dog with a yeast infection .... 1 pint of water to 1 pint of vinegar with two aspirin (disolved) keep it in the fridge.

    I'd use it as a wash, but I wouldn't pour it inside the ear ... I'd use a wash cloth or soaked cotton ball. The aspirin mixture helps stop the swelling from the scratching.

    There's another prescribed drop "Tresaderm" which is in drop form but its not as effect as the home recipe listed in a prior post. __________________
    Quote Originally Posted by Krepta
    That's awesome! Speaking of ph balanced, have you heard of Kangen water? My Brother in Law is a big believer in it and invited me and Dad out to a demonstration thing, and I was pretty blown away! Why are we so concerned about the ph balance of our fish, and dogs, but not ourselves or our kids?!
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    Judee you can give your dog an aspirin and you can use some frozen peas to bring down the swelling. Good ... the baby aspirin is perfect. Its cats that can't take aspirin.
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    Interesting Topper. I had a friend who had a dog that had an ear infection for years. The poor dog would whine, shake its head, and look despondent. He spent literally thousands of dollars on vets over the course of two years.

    I finally told him to take over the counter ear wash, add a teaspoon of Betadine, and put that in the dogs ears. Within a week, the dog had relief, and the infection never came back.

    You see, the vets kept giving my friend antibiotics for the ear, which only created a mega-yeast problem. The poor dog must have suffered horribly with itching and pain. The Betadine kills bacteria, viruses, and most important, yeast!!! Your remedy is easy, and makes sense!! Good sound advice!

    Betadine should be available in any store with bandages, etc. You can also ask the pharmacist for it.

    It's a wonderful form of 'iodine'... We used to use it to swab the navals of teeny tiny newly hatched psittacine babies just out of the incubator. Some of the babies were less than an inch in size. It doesn't stain. I also use it along with Celtic salt to wipe out any sinus infections, and it works in a flash! It's non stinging, and just wonderful for all sorts of things. (womens things too!)
    Alpha, about Chi's eye... Colloidal silver...

    I don't make my own. After many, many years of research, and talking to others, this site has the best product... http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c..../sc.2/.f?ext=F I use it, and take it. I'm not sure, but I believe it's safe to put directly into the eye. This site would tell you I'm sure though. It's an amazing product, I know that. __________________
    Quote Originally Posted by Topper
    Judee, make sure your dog didn't ulcer his eye. If so you might need to take him to the vet. Usual course is an eye drop that dialates the eye with antibiotics. I've had cats, dogs, goats and horse that have needed the tiny tube of ointment ... which can be purchased at most livestock feed and seed businesses. (average cost over the counter is $6.00) If not the vet will get you for the visit before scalping you on the tiny tube ... average cost for the vet is $100
    For the full gist, go to the original thread of conversation

    Anyway, here you go folks.

    Please share your home remedies, where you get things required for your loved pets, suggestions, results, cautions etc., in this thread.

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    Does anyone have a recommendation or recipe for canine tearing eyes?

    I know Judee has suggesting colloidal silver and right now I am doing some green tea compresses.

    Chi otherwise is healthy, eating well, stools are find and one eye seems to be doing this much more than the other.

    The discharge is not pussy in any way and I can't see any anomalies other that a bit of redness in the white of the lower portion of the eyeball.

    I will take her to the vet if I can't lick this somehow...any suggestions?

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    Gosh, Alpha. I sincerely wish I could help. How long has this been going on? Sending light and prayers for Chi from Sage, my golden/lab.

    PS Sage has been scratching a lot lately. Mostly one side, but then again all over. I don't see fleas or any sign of rash on her skin. I don't know if it's just dry indoor weather skin or something she rolled in or not enough fat in her diet or what. Any ideas? TIA
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    Do you give your pets city tap water? I've heard some stories about it not being fit for our pets too. Some of these issues could be caused by all that stuff in our drinking water. Our pets may be allergic to some of those chemicals and drugs that ourselves apparently enjoy in our water. My cats drink from the same source of water as do I ~ purified through two filters. They did catch some kind of flu last week that had them vomiting once a day or so, with diarrhea in their litter box, and we suspect it could have been something I brought home on my shoes a few days earlier while at the zoo. I've been advised to keep my shoes up off the floor so they won't sniff them any more, and so now I have a shelf up high for them. btw, they seemed otherwise fine during their flu, maybe sleeping a bit more, but I had to keep an eye on them for signs of dehydration. They are okay now and all is back to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine View Post
    Gosh, Alpha. I sincerely wish I could help. How long has this been going on? Sending light and prayers for Chi from Sage, my golden/lab.

    PS Sage has been scratching a lot lately. Mostly one side, but then again all over. I don't see fleas or any sign of rash on her skin. I don't know if it's just dry indoor weather skin or something she rolled in or not enough fat in her diet or what. Any ideas? TIA
    If it isn't fleas or mites, and just dry indoor skin, try putting fish oil, or flax oil in their food. That works wonders for dog's skin.
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    Good source for all kinds of information. - Canine Health Prolbems Let me know what you think or if any of you have used any of these.

    Ear Infections

    See the article on Ear Care and Disease (starting on page 11) for in depth information about various causes of ear problems, both chronic and acute.


    Also see Treating Ear Problems in Cats, Dogs, and Other Pets for an easy to read overview. Note that most chronic ear problems are related to allergies, so in order to control the ear problems, the allergies must also be controlled. Antihistamines can help with environmental allergies (and sometimes with food allergies) -- see this page for dosage info. Natural anti-inflammatories, such as salmon oil (fish body oil), vitamin E, bromelain (given away from meals), quercetin (bioflavonoid) and yucca tincture can sometimes help. Frequent bathing with a gentle shampoo can remove allergens from the body and help many dogs, as can frequent vacuuming and the use of a HEPA air filter. Dogs should be kept flea-free as well. See Food Allergies Part I: Ear problems for more information on the relationship between allergies and ear problems.



    Hypothyroid dogs "often have ear infections and show ear pain, redness, and odor," and Cushing's Disease can also be associated with chronic ear problems, particularly in middle-aged dogs.
    Yeast Infections

    Many dogs suffer from chronic ear infections that are caused by a yeast overgrowth. Sometimes removing grains, yeast, and all sugary/starchy foods from the diet (including most fruit, potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, corn, peas, and winter squashes) will help. See Malassezia Infections and Yeast Infections of the Skin for information on a specific yeast organism called Malassezia. Also see Feeding Grains to Dogs? for a good article on why grains are not necessary and some of the problems they can cause. It is helpful to give something to kill yeast as well, once you have switched to a yeast-free diet. One such product would be Azmira's Yeast & Fungal D'Tox. Olive leaf extract is also good for controlling yeast, such as Animals' Apawthecary's Ol-Immune.

    Other supplements that may help with yeast include Probiotics, Vitamin C with bioflavonoids, fresh crushed garlic, olive leaf extract, and salmon oil. Other things that can set off a yeast infection are vaccinations, anethesia, topical flea killers, and autoimmune disorders. Allergies (environmental/inhalant/atopy, flea or food) and bacterial skin infections (pyoderma, folliculitis) may also be interrelated with yeast problems. In fact, recurrent yeast infections are usually related to allergies.



    Two people have reported that their dog their dogs had terribly yeasty ears, and one began to lose his hearing. Both ended up discovering that the dogs were hypothyroid. Treating the hypothyroidism resolved the ear problems. Neither had other symptoms of hypothyroidism except a little lack of energy. See below for more info on hypothyroidism.



    There are many topical treatments for yeast and other ear problems.


    Please keep in mind that almost anything other than sterile saline can cause ototoxicity (deafness) if used when the ear drum (tympanic membrane) is ruptured, which is not uncommon when a dog is having ear problems, but the ear drum will grow back when the infection is removed.



    These treatments may be useful for keeping a chronic problem under control, but it may be best to have your vet take a look first, to determine what is going on with the ear, and whether the ear drum is intact, before proceeding with home treatments -- it will not help to treat the ears for yeast infection if the real problem is bacteria or mites, for example. If the ear is very infected, it may also be necessary for your vet to flush it out before you will be able to use one of these methods for helping to keep the ear clean.



    Rather than filling the ear with fluids, in most cases it's better to put the treatment on a cotton ball or swab and use that to clean out the ear. Moisture encourages the growth of yeast, so you want the ears to be dry.

    • I've used the following solution with success: Mix 1 ounce witch hazel with 1 ounce aloe vera gel, then add a few drops of lavendar oil. Use this mixture to clean the ears daily for three days, then weekly after that. Witch hazel is drying, which is good.
    • Zymox Otic has been recommended by several people as helping when nothing else seemed to work. It is supposed to be effective for both yeast and bacterial infections. You can get it with or without hydrocortisone (which helps control itching). Click here for more information. There is also an Ear Solution for regular cleaning. Both are available thru Amazon and VetAmerica
    • Blue Power Ear Treatment is a mixture of alcohol, boric acid powder and gentian violet. I have used this solution in combination with the witch hazel/aloe vera mixture above with success in treating a long-term yeast infection, but I still hesitate to recommend it. Both alcohol and gentian violet are ototoxic (can cause deafness) if the eardrum is ruptured. The solution dries the ear out (probably due to the alcohol), which really seems to help stop the yeast from multiplying. It can be irritating to the ear, though, so I don't use it as frequently as recommended. It can also be very painful if ears are inflamed. Some people have used witch hazel or a combination of witch hazel and aloe in place of the alcohol in the recipe for a dog with very sensitive ears, or for long term use with a dog prone to yeast infections.

    • K9 Ear Solutions from Liquid Health uses alcohol, boric acid and gentian violet, along with colloidal silver.

    • Gentian Ear Treatment from Urban Carnivore is a combination of witch hazel, boric acid and gentian violet.
      Gential violet "has the potential for severe damage" according to this article on ototoxicity.
    • Another recipe that is somewhat similar to the Blue Power Ear Treatment above combines 6 oz alcoholboric acid powder, 2 oz white vinegar, and one teaspoon betadine. Boric acid is commonly used in ear medications. Vinegar is a source of acetic acid, which is often used in ear cleaning solutions to combat yeast. The combination of boric acid and acetic acid can also be effective against pseudomonas. Both of these ingredients appear to be safe even if the eardrum is ruptured (many other ingredients can cause ototoxicity/deafness if used when the eardrum is not intact). Betadine is an iodine solution that is antibacterial and may help to soften wax and loosen other debris. Alcohol is drying, but can be irritating if the ears are inflamed, and may be harmful if the eardrum is ruptured. It shouldn't be used frequently, or if the ears are inflamed or the eardrum is not intact. You could replace some or all of the alcohol with either sterile saline (which is not drying, so would leave the ear more moist, which could be a problem with yeast) or witch hazel, which is an astringent and has some drying properties.
    • Another astringent is Burow's Solution/Domeboro, which contain aluminum acetate.
      See the following web sites for more information:
      http://www.zimfamilycockers.com/EarCleaner.html
      MalAcetic Otic
      Burow's Solution
      Bur-Otic HC Ear Cleanser
      with 1/2 tablespoon Pellitol ointment was recommended by a vet in an article in the Whole Dog Journal (June 2004). She says to completely fill the ear canal with Pellitol, massage the ear, especially around the base, then leave it undisturbed for a week (this is one case where filling the ear is appropriate). The ointment will dry up and flake off, taking the ear's debris with it. You can then use cotton balls or Q-tips to remove whatever is left. If the ear is not ulcerated, bleeding or painful, you can put a pinch or two of boric acid powder in the ear first, using your finger or a Q-tip to work it in, before applying the Pellitol. Remember that boric acid is toxic,
    • it is important to be sure that none gets in they eyes, mouth or nose if you use it. Sometimes a second treatment with Pellitol is necessary, or you may need to flush the ear to complete the therapy. Cleaning with a regular cleaning solution on an ongoing basis should be done to prevent problems from recurring. Pellitol is also available at VetAmerica. Vinegar (acetic acid) in various combinations is often recommended. Vinegar helps to control yeast and fungus. Note that alcohol is drying, which can help with yeast, but it can also be painful if the ear is inflamed, so use with caution. I have seen a variety of recipes, including:
      • Mix 2 tablespoons apple cider vinegar (acetic acid) with one cup of (warm) water.
      • Mix equal parts of alcohol and white vinegar.
      • Mix 3/4 white vinegar with 1/4 water.
      • Mix 3/4 apple cider vinegar with 1/4 witch hazel. White vinegar may be the better choice for yeast.

    • Probiotic Powder or Acidophilus can be used both orally and in the ears to help clear up yeast infections. For yeast infections, you can also use Monistat or Massengill Vinegar & Water Douche or other over-the-counter treatments for vaginal yeast infections in women. Apply creams gently using a Q-tip.
    • DermaPet® Ear/Skin Cleanser , which contains both Acetic Acid (vinegar) and Boric Acid, has been recommended for treating both yeast and bacterial infections of the ear. Vodka/Boric Acid: Use an 8 oz bottle and fill with about 6-1/2 oz of vodka. Into the vodka put about a tablespoon of boric acid powder and shake vigorously. Make a saturated solution so keep adding the powder until it no longer dissolves. Squirt into the ear and massage, let them shake their heads, then wipe out with cotton pads. If there's a lot of gunk, do this twice a day. Works for sore ears and infection. Vodka is supposed to be less harsh than rubbing alcohol. Mix Betadine and (warm) water half and half. Betadine, like alcohol, is drying but can be irritating, so use with caution.

    You should warm any solution you use to body temperature by immersing the bottle in a bowl of warm water. This makes ear cleaning much less aversive to the dog. Put the solution on a cotton ball, then use that to wipe the ear. You can also use a Q-Tip, but be careful not to go any further into the ear than you can see or you may cause damage. Clean daily for three days, then every other day for a week, then weekly after that. Other things that have worked for some people include:

    • adding organic apple cider vinegar to their food (anywhere from 1/2 teaspoon to 1 tablespoon, depending on the size of the dog)
    • cleaning with olive oil (just on the cotton ball, not instilled in the ear)
    • treating the ear with acidopholus powder (just break open the capsule and sprinkle the powder in the ear after cleaning),
    • treating the ear with whole milk yogurt
    • acupuncture/acupressure.
    • Lavender essential oil can be effective against yeast, but should not be used straight, it is better to mix it with witch hazel or a carrier oil, and should not be used at all on cats, toy breed dogs, or very young puppies.
    • A fellow Shar-Pei owner was successful using Colloidal Silver to treat yeasty ears.
    • Another person added Ascorbic Acid (a form of vitamin C) to acidify the body and it helped clear up a yeast problem in the ears. If you try this, be sure to use Ascorbic Acid, and not one of the ascorbate forms of vitamin C, which are not acidifying. Also, increase vitamin C slowly, as too much will cause loose stools.
    • A combination of topical Monistat 1-Day (miconazole, an anti-yeast medication) in the ears daily for 10 days and oral cephalexin (antibiotic that is used to treat staph infections) for 14 days worked to solve one St. Bernard's chronic ear infections.

    See the following articles for a number of other natural suggestions for ear problems:
    Ear Problems
    Herbal Help for Ear Infections under Health/Herbal Info
    Otitis Externa Good conventional overview of causes of ear problems Products I've seen recommended by people who have used them with success:
    Surolan Ear Drops -- this is a medicinal product that contains Miconazole nitrate for yeast (malassezia), polymyxin B sulfate for bacteria, and prednisolone for inflammation. Click here for a little more info. One person whose dog had a long term problem with her dog's ears was able to clear them using this product combined with flushing the ears.
    Canyon Meadow Natural Ear Wash -- contains tea tree oil, so use with caution
    Herbal Ear Rinse from Animals' Apawthecary
    Halo Herbal Ear Wash
    Ear Fresh Medicated Ear Powder
    Animal Dermatology Laboratories Foaming Ear Cleaner and Ear Flushing Drying Lotion (available only from your vet)
    Ear Wash with Tea Tree Oil (do not use tea tree oil for cats or toy breed dogs)
    DermaPet Ear/Skin Cleanser for Pets
    Epi-Otic Ear Cleanser
    Natural Ear Comfort
    Pooch Calming Ear Remedy
    Zymox Otic (see above)
    Hy-Otic Ear Rinse contains hyaluronic acid to help with healing if the eardrum is injured (common with severe infections)

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    Some of these ideas are pretty good, thanks. Yet, it should be remembered that kitchen cures are no substitute for a trained professional vet. Always have your pet checked annually, and when they aren't well. Expensive pharma can often be substituted with inexpensive home made cures (some of those pharma products are nothing more than that anyhow), but there is not substitute for a good vet. Don't ever wait until it's too late to seek a veterinarian, especially just to save a few bucks, if a few bucks are more important, give me your poor pet and I'll give ya a your stinking buck, ha. Also, check with your vet on some of these things before experimenting with your pets, some things that are okay for a dog can kill a cat and just the opposite too, so be careful.

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    Hypothyroid dogs will also chew at there feet and may not exhibit a yeast infection ... its recommended you have your pet's blood drawn first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Does anyone have a recommendation or recipe for canine tearing eyes?

    I know Judee has suggesting colloidal silver and right now I am doing some green tea compresses.

    Chi otherwise is healthy, eating well, stools are find and one eye seems to be doing this much more than the other.

    The discharge is not pussy in any way and I can't see any anomalies other that a bit of redness in the white of the lower portion of the eyeball.

    I will take her to the vet if I can't lick this somehow...any suggestions?
    I had an old shepherd that had that problem and was fortunate enough to find a vet who specialised in eye problems. She prescribed daily eye drops
    which sure helped save his eye sight. The dog's eyes didn't produce enough natural tearing which in turned produced dry eyes that collected debris causing irritation. Its my guess any over the counter eye wash or saline solution would help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinorumus View Post
    Some of these ideas are pretty good, thanks. Yet, it should be remembered that kitchen cures are no substitute for a trained professional vet. Always have your pet checked annually, and when they aren't well. Expensive pharma can often be substituted with inexpensive home made cures (some of those pharma products are nothing more than that anyhow), but there is not substitute for a good vet. Don't ever wait until it's too late to seek a veterinarian, especially just to save a few bucks, if a few bucks are more important, give me your poor pet and I'll give ya a your stinking buck, ha. Also, check with your vet on some of these things before experimenting with your pets, some things that are okay for a dog can kill a cat and just the opposite too, so be careful.
    Div, I've spent a life with animals, and I've seen a lot of vets kill animals over the years, either through ignorance, or lack of caring. Not all vets care that much. They're only animals after all.

    And BTW, why should all animals go to 'vets' (animal doctors), while there are so many people who can't afford to go to a doctor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judee View Post
    And BTW, why should all animals go to 'vets' (animal doctors), while there are so many people who can't afford to go to a doctor?
    Why should a humon take priority? .... Hum, checkmate, huh?

    (btw, just going to the doctors isn't what is breaking folks, most can afford an office visit and a shot or test or two, or a checkup for their pet, if they stopped buying beer and porno and ipods .. it's those surgeries and weeks in the hospital and worse that breaks folks and THAT is what needs reforming -- cost reform .. not payer reform !! .. )

    Anyhow, if someone can't afford a pet, they shouldn't have one. Sounds cruel, but what is crueler is when someones dog dies because it got heart worms, but the owner got his beer and cigarettes and cable tv and internet and cell phone and dope and clean underwear and yummy in their tummy ...

    I'm not putting down any ideas here, they are great and practical, but this is like those cases where parents are later arrested because their kid dies because they took it to a witch doctor or preacher instead of a medical professional. And, yeah, some docs/vets really suck, but don't go to the sucky ones. I got a really good vet, her whole life is about the animals and veterinary work and I would trust her with even my life. Just find a good one, like when you shop for a mellon, ha. Don't pick the icky one, ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinorumus View Post
    Why should a humon take priority? .... Hum, checkmate, huh?

    (btw, just going to the doctors isn't what is breaking folks, most can afford an office visit and a shot or test or two, or a checkup for their pet, if they stopped buying beer and porno and ipods ..one, like when you shop for a mellon, ha.
    My point is that all living creatures, human or animals, deserve medical care if they need it.

    And hey! Youz got somthin' against them thar adult movies? (She snickers as she types...)
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    any suggestions for a kitty with itchy spots...not bites, but grass bothers her......

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