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    Greece: Clashes Begin Over Austerity Plan

    Clashes in Greece Strike Against Austerity Plan

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    Police in Greece have clashed with protesters striking over austerity measures designed to save the economy.
    Greek police fired tear gas at a group of some 50 protesters on the edges of the rally, reports said.
    It is the second general strike in two weeks and coincides with growing anger at the EU's response to the crisis.
    The action is set to be the biggest since Greece's socialist government introduced cuts to bring the country's debt and deficit under control. Greece has closed airspace to all flights, trains and ferries are standing idle, and archaeological sites have been shut.

    The BBC's Malcolm Brabant in Athens says that for the second time this month, Greece will be isolated from the rest of the world for 24 hours as all flights into and out of the country have been cancelled.

    Commuters will be left without most forms of public transport, while public schools, ministries, and municipal offices will be closed. Many hospitals will operate only with emergency staffing.

    Archaeological sites, including the Acropolis, will be closed to tourists, chipping away at the country's international image, our correspondent says.



    Staying with Greece...


    In The Worst Possible Moment, Fitch Downgrades Greece's Largest Banks

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    And just as Greece was about to launch its 10 year bond offering... Where is Papandreou to claim that Fitch was bought by all the accounts (who may or may not invest in the €5 billion issue) to make the price even better. Because the spread to Bunds just jumped by about 10 bps to 325 following the news.

    Fitch notes: "The rating actions reflect Fitch's view that the banks' already weakening asset quality and profitability will come under further pressure due to anticipated considerable fiscal adjustments in Greece. In particular, Fitch believes the required fiscal tightening that needs to be made by the Greek government will have a significant effect on the real economy, affecting loan demand and putting additional pressure on asset quality. The latter could result in higher credit costs, ultimately weakening underlying profitability." In the US, where any news is good news, equities jump following the headline.



    More from Greece...


    Greeks Scramble To Pull Out €8 Billion From Local Banks As Greece Responds With Money Control Measures

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    We previously wrote about the possibility of a bank run in Greece following unsubstantiated reports that Greek citizens don't trust the Greek financial system all that much anymore, courtesy of the whole bailout and GDP reporting fraud thing. The rumor was not only just confirmed and also quantified: Dow Jones reports that in the past three months Greeks have moved about €8 billion out of local banks "fearing a possible new tax on bank accounts, increased government scrutiny on assets and a run on the banks if Athens is forced to turn to the International Monetary Fund." This represents over a quarter of the money held by private banks in the country. This also represents about €400 billion in total money leaving the system courtesy of fractional reserve banking and the money multiplier. Yet the worst news for Greeks: money controls are coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    Hummm welcome to our future?
    I'm afraid so Random. At least it appears that we are shaping up for it!
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    Situation in Greece Heating Up

    Greece to Germany: You stole our gold during WW2 and never gave it back.

    Greece to Italy: You cooked your books to hide debt.


    German Slur Damages Greece Bid For Rescue

    LONDON: Greece has greatly damaged its chances of a European Union bailout by lashing out at Germany over wartime atrocities and accusing Italy of cooking its books to hide public debt.

    The Deputy Prime Minister, Theodoros Pangalos, said Germany had no right to reproach Greece for anything after it devastated the country under the Nazi occupation. ''They took away the gold that was in the Bank of Greece and they never gave it back. They shouldn't complain so much about stealing and not being very specific about economic dealings,'' he told the BBC.

    He added that the present EU leaders were of ''very poor quality'' and had botched the crisis summit in Brussels this month. ''The people who are managing the fortunes of Europe were not up to the task,'' he said.

    Hans-Werner Sinn, head of the Ifo Institute in Germany, said Athens was holding the eurozone to ransom, threatening to set off mayhem if there was no bailout. ''Greece should never have entered the eurozone because they did not qualify and they are now blackmailing other European countries via the euro. It's not for the EU to help Greece. We have an institution that is very experienced in bailing out activities - the IMF,'' he said.


    I read about the nazi gold comment last week and waited to see if it would surface in the MSM, which it now has.


    Getting back to Greece's austerity measures...


    On Al Jazeera's Inside Story, Kostas Infantis & John Sfakianakis supported the austerity measures in Greece but financial analyst Max Keiser believes that the austerity measures plays into the hands of the people that created the situation in the first place and will further profit from it while leaving the Greek people to twist in the wind.






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    lol, so-call civilized society is coming apart at the seams. .. COOL!

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    DS, you have to wonder what will happen if Greece continues their verbal attack on Germany. Could there be war? I doubt it. Neither have really a really great military, and I don't know if they could muster the support of other nations to support either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VOguy View Post
    DS, you have to wonder what will happen if Greece continues their verbal attack on Germany. Could there be war? I doubt it. Neither have a really great military, and I don't know if they could muster the support of other nations to support either side.
    War, as we know it to be, is unlikely in my mind. A financial war, that's another question but I think Greece has been locked in a financial war the past 10 years.

    Greece is bankrupt and desperate and so comes the words of desperation from the government. Greece "needs a bailout" and if it doesn't come from within the EU then it'll come from overseas.

    Greece is only the first EU causality, they are a few more EU members that are quickly approaching on the horizon that will be in the same economic dire straits as Greece. Spain, Portugal, Ireland and the UK are all topping the list.

    Denmark is a country that usually flies under the radar but they've had their financial troubles and they are not safe anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Skies View Post
    War, as we know it to be, is unlikely in my mind. A financial war, that's another question but I think Greece has been locked in a financial war the past 10 years.
    I'm interested in what you think might be their weapon.

    It seems to me that while they can rattle their saber, they don't have anything in the way of ammunition to wage a financial war.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Skies View Post
    Greece is only the first EU causality, they are a few more EU members that are quickly approaching on the horizon that will be in the same economic dire straits as Greece. Spain, Portugal, Ireland and the UK are all topping the list.
    Don't forget Italy. There was a report on CNBC that their government is "concerned" over the economic strife. And this obviously opens the door to question Vatican City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VOguy View Post
    I'm interested in what you think might be their weapon.

    It seems to me that while they can rattle their saber, they don't have anything in the way of ammunition to wage a financial war.

    Don't forget Italy. There was a report on CNBC that their government is "concerned" over the economic strife. And this obviously opens the door to question Vatican City.
    Your right about their lack of financial ammunition. The war I allude to doesn't have Greece on any offensive, they are the one's under financial attack from derivative traders from Wall Street and they still are in terms of these traders now gambling whether or not Greece's economy will completely bust.

    Nick Leeson was a UK derivative trader that gambled (and lost) on whether or not Japan's stock market would open up or down and constantly cooked his books to hide his massive debts. There's no doubt this same scenario is being played out in Greece right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Skies View Post
    Your right about their lack of financial ammunition. The war I allude to doesn't have Greece on any offensive, they are the one's under financial attack from derivative traders from Wall Street and they still are in terms of these traders now gambling whether or not Greece's economy will completely bust.

    Nick Leeson was a UK derivative trader that gambled (and lost) on whether or not Japan's stock market would open up or down and constantly cooked his books to hide his massive debts. There's no doubt this same scenario is being played out in Greece right now.
    Ding, ding, ding... Derivatives!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judee View Post
    Yep. I was thinking about your post as well. Now that they have their tail caught in the mousetrap, the next question is what will they do to get free, and will they bite the ones coming to free them.

    This could be a good thing if more and more smaller regions were in a position to pick up the pieces.
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