EVPS, SPIRICOM and Instrumental Transcommunication (ITC)

[Alpha]

After listening to Art's last show this weekend with Barbara and Brednon of GIS, I began to really wonder what it is that not only they, but other EVP investigators are capturing.

Seems we have the assumption that these are "departed" spirits, "ghosts" or energy of humans that are lost or in limbo or those who have recently left their physical body here on earth.

What if it's not, or perhaps part but not all?

Couldn't they be tapping in to some energy from a paralell universe or something resonating at a higher or lower vibration in another dimension?

Why do we assume it's some lost or misguided energy from this plane of existance....just wondering what EVP really is and from where.....

[nightcat]

Seems we have the assumption that these are "departed" spirits, "ghosts" or energy of humans that are lost or in limbo or those who have recently left their physical body here on earth.

What if it's not, or perhaps part but not all?

I was very pleased they brought this up on Sunday.

That's exactly what I've always thought, as there are many types of entities out there and not all of them are former humans. We could be getting snippets of conversations seeping through dimensional "walls", too.

The entities from the "Wicca House" were probably, as Brendan and Barbara surmised, not true ghosts at all.

[Project]

Indeed... I believe in EVPs but not in ghosts! I think all these manifestations are 'echos' of another reality, or even from the past of our own reality...

[Alger]

What about that tape Art played where they were conversing with the dead scientist or whatever he was?

[Project]

What about that tape Art played where they were conversing with the dead scientist or whatever he was?

Same deal... and the GIS guy agreed FWIW... I don't think the spircom guy ever claimed he was a ghost, although I am not sure about that... However, if there are parallel dimensions, ghosts can just be an alternate take on our reality.. a reality where this or that person did not die... perhaps because the differences are so small between our realities, it makes it easier to use electromagnetic interference to manipulate our universe from theirs?

[Alpha]

Well here's another opinion on this topic.

Real Ghosts, Ghost Hunting, and Quantum Physics

From: spirit-sanctuary.org

One of the benefits of a lifetime of afterlife communication is that I know a lot about ghosts ... what they are and what they're not. For instance, they're not "caught between worlds." And they don't need us to help them "move on." They're exactly where they're supposed to be. You don't honestly think that God, the Creator of the Universe, would leave their eternal fate in your and my hands, do you?

You CAN say that they are "earthbound," but that's because their consciousness never left the earth. And when you die, yours won't either. We're all right here together forever. That's just the nature of the afterlife. Yes, knowing the laws of the afterlife can make these things a lot clearer.

Lately, I've been researching what folks believe about ghosts and hauntings. I've investigated the investigations. Repeatedly I've read, "We don't use ouija boards, séances, mediums or occult methods." Yet it's very common for ghost researchers to accept, as an underlying condition of their investigations, the erroneous claims of psychics, mediums, and channels.

I'm referring to such concepts as "caught between worlds," "unfinished business," "earthbound souls," and ghost children in distress. At the same time ominous warnings urge vigilant caution in case non-human demons and malevolent entities are encountered. Oh, and don't forget the

Hollywood expression, "Go to the light." Scientific research can't be conducted properly on a foundation of superstition.

Let me tell you some things that are true about ghosts. Actually there are only two kinds of ghosts: real and not-real.

The real ghosts are everywhere. They're in your home, in your car, in your school, and in your dreams. Ghost researchers usually call these ghosts ... interactive ghosts. I call them soul-ghosts, or disincarnate souls. I don't care for the term, disembodied, because they do have a body. We just can't see it for the same reason that we can't see sound waves and ultraviolet light. They're outside of our range of sentience. In other words, we have a sentient boundary.

Soul-ghosts are interactive. They reach out to you, and you feel no fear ... absolutely none. They descend upon you and envelop you in a blanket of warm fuzzies. This isn't a paranormal experience. It's a supernatural and spiritual experience.

The not-real ghosts seem to be everywhere too, but only for people that believe they exist, or at least believe that they might exist. They rarely bother unbelievers. Ghost researchers call the not-real ghosts ... residual ghosts. These ghosts seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they pop in and out of existence like virtual particles. The appearance of this type of ghost can be explained by quantum physics. From the Copenhagen Interpretation, which states that nothing is real until you look at it, to the holographic theory of the universe, all ghosts abide by the laws of quantum physics.

People that experience residual ghosts say that they seem to be caught in a time-loop replaying the same scene over and over. The above mentioned physics also apply to residual ghosts but with the addition of Schrodinger's equations. For every "now" that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative wave flows into the past like concentric ripples created by a rock thrown into a pond.

The fact that some people experience residual ghosts is due to normal functions of human consciousness. Although some might rather think of it as a "glitch." Residual ghosts are unusual and fascinating experiences with natural causes.

Briefly, a few more types of not-real ghosts are poltergeists, demons, and shadow people. Abnormal psychology applies to poltergeists and demons. The physiology of the eye accounts for shadow people.

So, what's the truth about ghosts? Do they exist? Yes, of course they do. Can the scientific method be used to investigate them? Yes, they use measurable amounts of energy. Can you record their voices and photograph ghosts? Yes, but one needs to be alert to pattern recognition tendencies.

The science of ghost investigation has the potential to make a huge difference in a society still tormented by superstition and fear. You have the equipment. You have the rationale. And you have the compassionate desire to help others.

[nightcat]

Interesting, Alpha... makes some good points.

I absolutely agree with the bits about there being "real" ghosts as well as other types of non-ghost entities; I've had enough encounters to quickly be able to differentiate between true ghosts, residual or static "hauntings" and boogies. And I also agree that the spirit realms ARE right here where we are; the ghosts are all around us but vibrating at frequencies that most folks can't percieve. We use terms like "astral plane" and differentiate between the upper and lower realms of the spirit world just as a way of keeping things sorted out inside our brains. "Heaven above, Hell below..."...but really they're both always here and we are always there. That part is spot-on.

However, I've gotta disagree with the contention that no ghosts are "trapped". I've had experiences with many ghosts who are stuck in moments they can't get out of (no, I'm not going to break into a U2 song here...) and ghosts looking to finish their unfinished bidniss.

[Shecoda]

Interested in listening to the whole spiricom thing again?

Here is the link. http://www.ghostpix.com/spiricom/spiricom.html

[Alpha]

Since that New Years Eve when Art played the audio from George Meeks work, he has mentioned in over and over, most recently last Saturday night on the program with Dianne Arcangel.

With Ramona's passing, I'm sure this will become a topic with more intense passion for him now.

Just wanted to bump up this thread...for those interested, do take a look at the Spiricom Site....lots of good material there.

[Sean]

I have the same impression Alpha. I think Art is going to get even more interested in the other side.
Maybe even building his own SpiritCom device.

I wish i could find some one brave enough to visit grave sites with me in the middle of the night. I would love to experiment with EVP's

[Alpha]

It's on my list to do Sean...this year actually. Both a little frightened, yet pumped about it at the same time.

I'm just waiting to get a real good deal on a quality but not too expensive recorder.

I'm looking at either the Sony ICD MX20 or the Sony ICDSX25.

If anyone has tried this and has an alternate recommendation, please let me know.

Yeah, I think Art will be in to exactly what you suggest...part of his big things to do.

Oh and BTW.....if you decide to do this...don't go alone. I wouldn't. Not sure about night time either and would likely be too spooked out to go at night even with others. I plan to start during the day.

If I get anything, I'll be sure to upload the audio here on IW...will keep you all posted.

[Project]

Can't wait alpha! I just got myself a nice recorder (audio and video), so will try and get something myself...

[Alpha]

Can't wait alpha! I just got myself a nice recorder (audio and video), so will try and get something myself...

What did you get P and where, specifically the audio equip?

I can't afford much, so any advice you can give would be appreciated.

Would be great to have our own IW Audio EVP research!!...have a place to host it too, thanks you you!!