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    Quote Originally Posted by Dera View Post
    CAVEAT: My comments below relate ONLY to the story that was fed to US people (and world?)



    From Day One the announcement that our Seals invaded Bin Laden's compound and shot him dead I have been troubled by the whole thing.

    Yup, Bin Laden was a really bad dude, a rotten miserable horrible cretin, who deserved to die.

    However, to break into a man's home (when he had no weapon at hand himself, and shoot him dead), just wasn't the "American way" of my country I thought. The whole thing has always left a really bad taste in my mouth. Why didn't they, when he was totally over-powered, just take him prisoner and whisk him off in their remaining helicopter?

    I have no respect nor love for the monster cruel leader, but our (USA) method of doing him in seems like "vigilante justice" to me. The USA has a lurid past, but (naive as I may be) I had hoped that this kind of stuff belongs in the historical past.

    Yeah, I was disappointed with Pres. Obama and our military on that day. I guess the politicos will go on and on trying to make political points out of this misadventure. The Seals are absolutely fabulous heroes, but were warriors misguided by limp-wristed leadership hoping for some kind of stupid glory. Our Seals follow orders, regardless, and of course they are to be commended.
    but but but they drone people every day, who don't even know the bullet/rocket is coming... that WE don't even know who they are. I mean I agree with you, but they just recently killed an American citizen with a drone - with no court, no due process, no accountability. Doesn't that bother you far more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post
    Ah I get it, today is the one year anniversary of the Bin Laden "murder". They are trying to get it back into the press, into the public mind. Obama needs the publicity.
    Yeah....goes nicely with Obama's little side trip to Afghanistan for some added icing.

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    So he is either a shill or a dead man walking...
    ....I vote for the former. Nice "coincidence" timing wise, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dera View Post
    CAVEAT: My comments below relate ONLY to the story that was fed to US people (and world?)



    From Day One the announcement that our Seals invaded Bin Laden's compound and shot him dead I have been troubled by the whole thing.

    Yup, Bin Laden was a really bad dude, a rotten miserable horrible cretin, who deserved to die.

    However, to break into a man's home (when he had no weapon at hand himself, and shoot him dead), just wasn't the "American way" of my country I thought. The whole thing has always left a really bad taste in my mouth. Why didn't they, when he was totally over-powered, just take him prisoner and whisk him off in their remaining helicopter?

    I have no respect nor love for the monster cruel leader, but our (USA) method of doing him in seems like "vigilante justice" to me. The USA has a lurid past, but (naive as I may be) I had hoped that this kind of stuff belongs in the historical past.

    Yeah, I was disappointed with Pres. Obama and our military on that day. I guess the politicos will go on and on trying to make political points out of this misadventure. The Seals are absolutely fabulous heroes, but were warriors misguided by limp-wristed leadership hoping for some kind of stupid glory. Our Seals follow orders, regardless, and of course they are to be commended.
    I understand why you would feel this way if you really believe that Bin Laden's "end" unfolded the way they tell/sell it.

    The Seals allegedly involved with this, either met a horrible accident after the so called incident or were....well ...met a premature demise. ....coincidence??

    I am not here to change anyone's beliefs, however I personally believe the demise of Bin Laden the way it was told is pure BS...JMHO, of course.

    I will ask this. I realize the Seals or anyone in the military agrees to follow orders, no matter what the orders are. What will we do when those orders are against me & you, right here in NA? Will we commend them then? OR when they carry out orders against innocent people: families, women and children all across this planet?

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    Here's a thought that just popped into my head...based on what was just posted by Dera and Alpha: suppose those "SEALS" were not actually US Military, but were Mercenaries, who then had to be killed in that "tragic accident".
    Or mebbe I watch too many movies?
    But if I'm right, we have more to fear from Mercs than our own Military.
    Just tossing out ideas, no filter.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post
    but but but they drone people every day, who don't even know the bullet/rocket is coming... that WE don't even know who they are. I mean I agree with you, but they just recently killed an American citizen with a drone - with no court, no due process, no accountability. Doesn't that bother you far more?
    Wow, Project. That's a tough call! I think drones are a "CS" way to fight a war--but I also think killing wars should be passé--ancient history!
    Now then, if my 21-year old grandson was "over there", I would probably think drones (ours only) are the only way to go!


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    Quote Originally Posted by maryals View Post
    Here's a thought that just popped into my head...based on what was just posted by Dera and Alpha: suppose those "SEALS" were not actually US Military, but were Mercenaries, who then had to be killed in that "tragic accident".
    Or mebbe I watch too many movies?
    But if I'm right, we have more to fear from Mercs than our own Military.
    Just tossing out ideas, no filter.....

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    For some reason, I thought it was different SEALs that crashed. I'm expecting company right now and don't have time for research. I have spent such a long life being naive, it is really really hard for me to get into all the conspiracy theories. I'm working on it--but geeze!


    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." ~ Ronald Reagan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dera View Post
    For some reason, I thought it was different SEALs that crashed. I'm expecting company right now and don't have time for research. I have spent such a long life being naive, it is really really hard for me to get into all the conspiracy theories. I'm working on it--but geeze!
    When the accident first happened it was the same seal team that killed BL, after a while they changed their minds and said it was part of seal team 6 but not the same guys, I think the story now is it was just some random seal team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maryals View Post
    Here's a thought that just popped into my head...based on what was just posted by Dera and Alpha: suppose those "SEALS" were not actually US Military, but were Mercenaries, who then had to be killed in that "tragic accident".
    Or mebbe I watch too many movies?
    But if I'm right, we have more to fear from Mercs than our own Military.
    Just tossing out ideas, no filter.....

    Mary and Baby
    I like you're thinking here Mary....anything is possible as we now know. I wonder if folks will still be trying to figure this one out 50 - 100 years after the event like we are still doing with so many other things

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    Yeah, I think in 100 years, truths will come out. It takes about that long. So, perhaps, that's a hope for our great grandchildren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maryals View Post
    Yeah, I think in 100 years, truths will come out. It takes about that long. So, perhaps, that's a hope for our great grandchildren.

    Mary and Baby

    Hmmm. I wonder, after more than 100 years, what is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth regarding the murder of Abraham Lincoln?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dera View Post
    Hmmm. I wonder, after more than 100 years, what is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth regarding the murder of Abraham Lincoln?
    Exactly, like the point of 1984 - history is written in the media. What else do we have to look back with and see truth? If the papers and news report something, we need MORE documentation to refute it, and those records will be destroyed or "lost" long before the time comes to re-examine historical events.

    We will never know many things. We will suspect many things, but proof will not be forthcoming. Even if it is, it will not change anything. We know far more truths about Pearl Harbour, but we still have propaganda movies showing the original story, with never a mention of the codebreakers and the decoded attack plans.
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    Well yeah there is that....
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