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    Breaking - My family was experimented on in preparation for implementing the Tavistock Agenda

    It is widely accepted amongst those interested in these topics that there has been an agenda by the NWO or Illuminati to attempt to break down society, known as the Tavistock Agenda. In my blog (link to follow) I have described and documented how my research and recollections have led me to believe I was specifically programmed as part of the Tavistock agenda in experiments used to refine the techniques before rolling it out across this and other countries.
    Obviously they aren’t going to implement such a massive programme without testing some of the methods first. If you care to look further I think you will find my evidence compelling
    I am not aware of any one else who has come forward in respect of similar experiments but would very much like to hear from anyone who has had similar experiences, or indeed from anyone brave enough to comment on this unfashionable subject that incorporates such non-trendy aspects as Ireland and UK politics in the 1950s - I am not expecting to be popular!
    I believe some of us were even programmed to imagine we had ET encounters which I guess is going to make me doubly unpopular.
    Please be gentle with me – this does not mean I am denying the existence of UFO’s of extra-terrestrial, extra-dimensional or other origins. I’m just saying it looks as though the subject has been used for ulterior purposes.


    A summary of some of the documented facts leading to this conclusion
    We were Guinea Pigs used to research early Tavistock Programming
    At the age of 4 – in 1962 – my twin sister, parents and myself moved 230 miles to the ancient village of Swainswick outside Bath Somerset from a council house in Rochdale. This tiny village was surrounded by idylic countryside, and at the end of our back garden, a footpath wound through Rainbow Woods up to the megalythic buriel mound, Solsbury Hill. What follows is a brief overview of a few of the facts that led me to conclude we were programmed and studied in research related to the Tavistock Agenda.

    • We were housed on one of two newly built streets – Oriel Gardens and Elm Grove, built in the extensive grounds of a mansion called The Elms where we lived from 1962 to 1970 . The Elms was occupied (until 1957) by the Macvicar-Wallis family. The Wallis or Wallaces originated from the Rhodes Wallis region in Berne Switzerland indicating they were from the same lineage as Cecil Rhodes. The Wallaces made their immense fortune alongside Cecil Rhodes in the Kimberly Diamond mines in South Africa.
    • Rhodes ultimately used his fortune to set up his Round Table intended to orchestrate the bringing in of the new world order. Most of Swainswick is in fact owned by Oriel College Oxford, (72 Miles away) where Rhodes established his Rhode’s Scholarships.
    • As well as the two new streets a park and playground – Alice Park had also built in the grounds of The Elms and MacVicar organised numerous children’s groups and activities there for the local children.
    • The pavillion and park keeper’s cottages were designed by McVicar’s friend, the architect George Jellicoe the 2nd Earl of Jellicoe who was twice director of S G Warburg Finances Division.
    • S G Warburg owned Sandoz Laboratories in Switzerland where LSD was discovered. The CIA had bought 100 million doses of LSD from Sandoz to use in their early MKULTRA mind control research However by the early to mid seventies virtually the entire worlds supply of LSD was being manufactured in Britain at two laboratories in Wales, and it is accepted that one of the chemists, Ronald Hadley Stark was a CIA agent.
    • Earl Jellicoe also worked at the foreign office alongside Philby and Blunt of the ‘Cambridge five Scandal. One of the the people involved, (according to my mother one of Cambridge five) lived in Elm Grove with his mother and grandmother. My mother was asked to stand as godmother when his grandmother converted to Catholicism.
    • Anthony Blunt (one of the ‘Cambridge Spies‘ ) was a relative of Queen Mary (Mary of Teck) – Prince Michael of Hesse is given as their common cousin . . and third cousin of the late Queen Mother“.
    • Queen Mary - ‘consort’ to King George was a frequent visitor to The Elms in Swainswick and can be seen in photographs of Alice Park. My Grandfather’s mother worked for dressmakers to Queen Mary, whose clothes were fitted on her as she was exactly the same size. Her husband-to-be, my grandfather’s father also had connections with the Royal Household, working as a butler for Phillip’s Jewellers to Queen Mary. The Queen Mother was also a visitor to The Elms and was pictured in the local newspaper ceremoniously planting fruit trees in Alice Park.

    Dad was taken into a Hospital where ELF Mind Control Research was taking place

    • Whilst living in Swainswick, after an accident at work my father spent four weeks in Frenchay Hospital, Bristol, home of the Burden Neurological Institute (BNI) or Burden Institute, where William Grey Walter was developing cybernetics and bio-robotics, pioneering brain wave technology. A pupil of Sir Joseph Barcroft, he was approached by the RAE in the early sixties regarding the use of his work using brainwaves to remotely operate technology, for RAF aircraft.
    • William Grey Walter and two of his colleagues were the first ever physicians to use ECT in an experiment on five hospital patients. This took place in the Burden Neurological Institute shortly after it was established in 1938 in the grounds of Frenchay Hospital. He worked closely with Ross Adey with whom he published numerous books and reports.

    “The history of mind control at a distance, remote mind control technology (RMCT) begins in America with the research of Dr Ross Adey and his colleagues in the late ’60′s, working on the CIA-funded Pandora Project. Adey found that ELF (extremely low frequency) signals on the region of 1-20 Hz (with 0.1 increments having different effects), had bioactive and psychoactive effects. The research was important to the CIA for they wished to find frequencies which could mind control humans from a distance (RMCT).” Ivan Fraser (link to full article)

    • My maternal grandfather had a sister taken away at the age of four to be educated by an aunt. Her son was a mathematics genius who went straight into the RAE on finishing his phd where he worked on Concord. This work was taking place in 1969 at the time my father was in Frenchay Hospital culminating in the marketing of the Concord by Jellicoe in 1973.
    • My maternal grandmother attended the Catholic Convent in Rochdale at the same time as Lady Morrison who was the best friend of and frequent visitor to their next-door-neighbour and life long friend who we called Auntie.
    • She became Lady Morrison when she married Lord Morrison then deputy prime-minister for the Labour Party. They met in Davos Switzerland. My grandfather was in half Swiss. Like Jellicoe, Lord Morrison was also a friend of S G Warburg, (who owned Sandoz Laboratories in Switzerland where LSD was first discovered).


    • Lord Morrison was supposedly a socialist yet after his death, Lady Morrison joined the National Association for Freedom – hilariously known as NAFF (you couldn’t make it up !) as a council member and co-authored their publication along with several other council members who worked for MI5, MI6. This ‘ultra right wing’ anti subversive organisation is said to have been instrumental in bringing the Thatcher Government into power, in what now seems to have been a right wing NWO coup brought about by smashing the unions and infiltrating ‘subversive groups’ along the way.


    • Another founder and council member of NAFF, Lord Stevenson (MI5, MI6 and a member of the Pinay Cercle – “more shadowy and powerful than the Bilderburgers”), was responsible for overseeing investigations into the impact of various subversive groups in the UK including West Indian’s, unions and the early free festival movement. These free festivals were funded by donations from the Welsh LSD factory where CIA agent Ronald Hadley Stark was operating.


    • Whilst my maternal grandmother’s ‘friend’ was helping set up NAFF to bring down the Labour government, Harold Wilson was convinced there was a conspiracy against him orchestrated by South African interests and MI5. I worked as a live-in waitress in the Athenaum Club in Pall Mall (around the corner from Buckingham Palace) in 1974, at the time that Harold Wilson was regularly dining there. Security was incredibly lax, I had used a false name to get the job as I was a 15 year old run-away.


    • My maternal grandmother often spoken of her family’s connection with Lady Moran, via her father who supplied horses for the military in WW1. Like William Grey Walter, Lady Moran was also a pupil of Sir Joseph Barcroft and her husband Lord Moran was William Sargant‘s tutor and mentor. Sargant had a sleep room in St Thomas’s Hospital similar to that of Ewen Cameron, who cited Sargant as his major influence. The American Government was successfully prosecuted by patients who had been experimented on by Cameron, when it was revealed that the CIA had funded the work as part of their MKULTRA program. Both ‘Doctors’ used massive doses of LSD and far above the normal amount of ECT shocks to try and wipe their patient’s memories, after which they tried to ‘repattern’ the patient’s mind by playing tape-recorded messages through headphones that the patient’s could not remove.


    • Sir Joseph Barcroft was a renowned embryologist, but also worked intensively on blood, particularly at high altitudes. Lady Moran also studied blood, when researching the effects of mustard gas on the WW1 troops.She spent a year in St Thomas’s Hospital in a ‘coma’ before marrying Lord Moran.


    • Lord Moran was Churchill‘s doctor and kept interesting company – he visited Rudolph Hess along with Ewen Cameron and Brigadier John Rawlings Rees of the Tavistock Institute who later accompanied him to his trial in Nuremburg. It was Moran who suggested Sargant turn to Psychiatry after his initial dissertation on the blood, specifically Pernicious Anaemia was not well received. My father, his mother and his maternal aunt all had pernicious anaemia which can be hereditary or else caused by radiation.

    This is a compact version of my early biography – there is a much extended version that can be found here (link to follow)

    Hey Alpha - remember me! I have given you a name check in my blog as some one who listened because two years ago I put my story to you and you listened! Cheers

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    it sounds authentic to me
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    Welcome back peacehaven!!

    Thank you for both sharing your research, reflection and your well written post above.

    As you have probably noticed, both mind control and human experimentation are topics of extreme interest on this forum and we are honored to have you share your material with us here.

    Many of the "players" mentioned in your post just smack of extremely strong evidence of what we know of today of experimentation and of the human victims who have come forward to tell their stories. Sadly for the average person out there, they often are too unbelievable for most to attempt to consider.

    I am looking forward to hearing more from you on this topic and your personal experience should you be willing to share them.

    I think you will find a lot of related material here on the forum....just use the search function to find material related to "Tavistock" or any other keyword that is appropriate.

    Again, welcome back!!

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    Your story reads like an exciting work of fiction peacehaven, which is why many people wouldn't believe it. Unfortunately, I know that such things are all too true. I'm glad that you've chosen to write about your family's experiences!
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    The Masonic features of the Village of Swainswick

    Thanks for your warm welcome, The above is just a small part of what I discovered and it is truly stranger than fiction! However I've spent a lot of time on this and I have documentation and witnesses to back up everything mentioned above.

    It all got much much stranger when I looked at how I was actually 'used' later in my life. . .

    For now I will just focus on the info in my first post and begin to fill in a few more of the details:

    The Freemasons and the Significance of the Village of Swainswick




    We were living in a council house (project housing) in 1962 when we were moved to the village of Swainswick 230 miles away. It is on the outskirts of the deeply masonic city of Bath. The city is the site of an ancient temple dedicated to the godess Sulis Minerva (Sun Moon) and of a Roman baths where there is a sacred spring which gives forth one million litres of mineral rich hot water per day at a temperature of 46°C

    "The Freemason architect of Bath, John Wood the elder is buried in the tiny village of Swainswick (1n 1964 there were just 384 residents) which is about 4 miles away from the city centre and historically considered to be the place where the City of Bath originated .

    Together with his father John Wood the elder, John Wood the younger wa interested in occult and masonic symbolism. Perhaps their creation of largest scale was their joint design of the Royal Crescent, Bath and the nearby Circus - pictured above (originally called the "King's Circus") which from the air can be observed to be a gian circle and crescent, symbolising the soleil-lune, the sun and moon. The Circus along with Gay Street and Queen Street (pictured below) forms a key shape which is also a masonic symbol". (Wikki)
    (Wiki)

    To be continued . . .


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    Oriel College, Oxford University
    Most of Swainswick is owned by Oriel College, Oxford, which is 72 miles away, which is where Cecil Rhodes established his Rhodes Scholarships.

    Before going any further - due to their fundamental significance to the illuminati NWO I'm just going to add a quote about Cecil Rhodes' Round Table Groups as a reminder (or introduction for anyone not familiar with them)

    Cecil Rhodes' Round Table Groups


    “In the middle 1890’s Rhodes had a personal income of at least a million pounds sterling a year which he spent so freely for mysterious purposes that he was usually overdrawn on his account … Cecil Rhodes’ commitment to a conspiracy to establish World Government was set down in a series of wills described by Frank Aydelotte in his book American Rhodes Scholarships.” -Dr. Carroll Quigley, “Tragedy and Hope”


    Frank Aydelotte in his book “American Rhodes Scholarships” wrote, “In 1888 Rhodes made his third will … leaving everything to Lord Rothschild (his financier in mining enterprises), with an accompanying letter enclosing ‘the written matter discussed between us’ … The model for this proposed secret society was the Society of Jesus, though he mentions also the Masons … The ‘secret society’ was organized on the conspiratorial pattern of circles within circles. Professor Quigley informs us that the central part of the ‘secret society’ was established by March, 1891, using Rhodes’ money.

    “One of the most important secret societies within the Illuminati web is called the Round Table. It is based in Britain with branches across the world, and it is the Round Table that orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Royal Institute of International Affairs.” –David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”

    Just like the ancient Mystery Schools, the Templars, Masons, Illuminati, and other secret societies, the Round Table groups were/are conducted in a pyramid structure with the most knowledge kept at the peak and each person down the line working on a need-to-know basis. Or as Rhodes discussed in his will, a succession of inner and outer circles.






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    Illuminati connections

    As well as Queen Mary of Teck, Agatha Christie was a frequent visitor to The Elm's as was the Queen Mother who is was pictured in a local paper planting commemorative fruit trees.
    Another researcher has pointed out the connection between the Rhodes and the Wallis's:

    "Apparently, the king-Cole line married into the Wallis fold to produce a family that uses black candles as symbols, a perfect symbol for the illuminati."
    "I learned that Berne (Switzerland) was built on the Aar river. . .I was on the topic of Ayrshire because it's where the red and white Kennedy surname was first found, as well as the red and white Wallace/Wallis surname! So now I'm becoming convinced that the Rhodes family was from the Wallis-Berne regions of Switzerland, "

    My Grandfather's family are from Berne in Switzerland and as I said earlier his mother worked for dressmakers to Queen Mary, and his father was butler to Phillips, the jewellers to Queen Mary

    Anther illuminati connection is that George
    Jellicoe, (architect of the Pavillion in Alice Park) was a member of "The Honourable Society of Knights of the Round Table" also a member of "The Other Club" founded by Winston Churchill to advance the interests of the leading Aristocratic and Illuminati families in the UK.
    Other positions held by Lord Jellicoe include Chairman of the MRC's AIDS committee, was a director of the Rockefeller company Morgan Crucible as well as the sugar company Tate and Lyle and was later chairman of Booker Tate confectionery.

    All this has led me to looking in more detail at what the illuminati were up to in terms of human experimentation. I read and listened to material by Fritz Sringmeier and was particularly interested by his mention of the Taylors, a mind control family in the UK from a town called Bacup, especially as this is just 9 miles away from my home town of Rochdale. Coincidentally I was once sent to hospital because a girl at school called Taylor from Bacup, a junior champion discus thrower accidentally threw the discus and hit me on the head leaving me with seven stitches . . .

    I also noted that my mother in fact had a 'droopy eye' , recently corrected by surgery, as this is described by him as a sign of heavy mind manipulation. When my mother told me recently that her mother had told her she was a twin and the other on was taken away at birth I was shocked. I asked - what! was it still alive? and she said well yes, it was crying in the corner of the room. My parents are in their eighties, and I have been interviewing them about all this on video although I haven't told them much about my suspicions because I think it would be too much for them to handle.

    My own mother was heavily sedated with barbituates for around a week before the birth of myself and my twin sister, just sayin y'know. . I've checked and it was the usual treatment for pre-eclampsia which she had.

    I recently mentioned to my mother that I was beginning to suspect that there was a network of tunnels under our houses, connecting them to The Elms mansion and to the underground bunker in Alice Park the look on her face was not surprise or interest but shock. I had started to wonder, when I noticed on google earth how everything around there has been flattened and filled in, including the front garden to our old house, which used to have steps up to the front door but is now at ground level, the Alice Park bunker 'air raid shelter' and the ancient buriel mound of Solsbury Hill which has been flattened to make a motorway.
    Alice Park Swainswick
    "Herbert MacVicar had an underground air-raid shelter constructed so that park visitors could seek refuge from German bombs. Once the war was over the old shelter became a store for sports equipment such as cricket gear, tennis nets and footballs but has now been filled in" reference

    Solsbury Hill
    Before and After




    The recent destruction of the ancient monument and Hill Fort Solsbury Hill, that was situated just a few hundred yards behind our house may also be of significance in this respect. An intriguing caption under a picture of Solsbury hill on The Megalithic Portal site reads "Probably an Entrance but there seems to be a lot of quarrying in this north west corner"

    Mention has been made of mines, tunnels and caves used by the Swainswick Home Patrol during WW11 Bob Millard
    This (Bathampton) patrol had its hideout in one of the stone mines on Hampton Rocks (GR778651). Although the adjacent area has changed through collapse the original entrance can still be distinguished. This was just large enough for a person to squeeze through before it opened up into a cavern and was camouflaged by a stone slab"
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    Update
    Well well well - I've been on google earth and started to identify the other mansions built around our little avenue (yes there were quite a few - I'm telling you - it was a strange place). I've had to really dig around to get the information on these properties, there is very little and it can take hours of following leads. But as this is all the supporting evidence for the weird stuff to follow, for which I have very little evidence except my own testimony I feel it is important, and it will be there for people to track back to.

    Now why am I not surprised to discover that one of the other mansions, again just a few hundred yards from our old house was a mental institution?
    The following is what I added to my blog yesterday

    Bailbrook Lunatic Asylum


    Another large mansion complex behind Oriel Gardens was Bailbrook Asylum, that in it's early days provided facilities for wealthy patients after which a wing was added for paupers. It was a mental institution from the early 1800's until 1974, although in 1971 it "changed it's name to a nursing home as most patients by then were either elderly or frail". Many patients resided there for their entire lives. Although you will now be challenged to try and find information about it, it was once famous for 'pioneering' early techniques. For example, in 1895 the medical director, Emory Lanphear MD, PHD advocated 'trepanning' or boring holes in the scull of the patient. He lectured on "The Operative Treatment of Idiocy". (Twenty five years later William Grey Walter was to conduct an experiment boring one hundred holes in the head of a patient)."The Medical Society of the United States was an organization founded by Ohmann-Dumesnil and Emory Lanphear" AMA

    Massive secret Naval Base
    All the families in our avenue were associated with the armed forces and I've now (2012) discovered the reason for this is there was a secret Admiralty base 3.4 miles away from our house at Coombe or Combe Down. MoD Foxhill - rather hush hush until recently, now that it has been announced they are to be closed.

    "I have tried several times to find out what did take place at Coombe Down but without any success. It must have been very top secret establishment which has never really received the media attention like others have in recent years. I have tried to find out exactly what my father was involved in. . .My enquires have up to now have been very disappointing, all I get is that the naval base was closed after the war and any records either lost or transferred elsewhere." 2005 BBC WW2 People's War
    "Minister for Housing, Grant Shapps announced in early June that all three Bath MOD Sites would be disposed of for development over the next few years. . .1,200 staff from Bath are already in the process of being transferred, but another 1,400 are scheduled to follow in the next two years.The closure of all the sites would end the MoD’s 72-year association with Bath, having had offices in the city since the start of the Second World War when the old Admiralty was moved out of London. . .not all of the Ensleigh site can be disposed of because computer systems cannot be moved."2011


    Hmm what kind of computer system 'cannot be moved' I wonder?

    If you want to take a look, Put BA1 Oriel Gardens into google maps
    Of interest may be the proximity of:
    The Elms
    Alice Park
    Bailbrook House
    Oriel Gardens
    Elm Grove

    I'm currently checking out the property in between Elm Grove and Oriel gardens again, hard to identify but eventually came up with a name Eden Hall, associated with the Musgrave or Musgrove lineage. We climbed trees in the orchard and even made a 'den' in the disused pigsties but I have no recollection of the house being there whatsoever and was surprised when I spotted it.

    oops I'm reposting my last post below as the text isn't showing up against the background in the default skin
    As well as Queen Mary of Teck, Agatha Christie was a frequent visitor to The Elm's as was the Queen Mother who is was pictured in a local paper planting commemorative fruit trees.Another researcher has pointed out the connection between the Rhodes and the Wallis's:

    "Apparently, the king-Cole line married into the Wallis fold to produce a family that uses black candles as symbols, a perfect symbol for the illuminati."
    "I learned that Berne (Switzerland) was built on the Aar river. . .I was on the topic of Ayrshire because it's where the red and white Kennedy surname was first found, as well as the red and white Wallace/Wallis surname! So now I'm becoming convinced that the Rhodes family was from the Wallis-Berne regions of Switzerland, "

    My Grandfather's family are from Berne in Switzerland and as I said earlier his mother worked for dressmakers to Queen Mary, and his father was butler to Phillips, the jewellers to Queen Mary

    Anther illuminati connection is that George Jellicoe, (architect of the Pavillion in Alice Park) was a member of "The Honourable Society of Knights of the Round Table" also a member of "The Other Club" founded by Winston Churchill to advance the interests of the leading Aristocratic and Illuminati families in the UK.

    Other positions held by Lord Jellicoe include Chairman of the MRC's AIDS committee, was a director of the Rockefeller company Morgan Crucible as well as the sugar company Tate and Lyle and was later chairman of Booker Tate confectionery.

    All this has led me to looking in more detail at what the illuminati were up to in terms of human experimentation. I read and listened to material by Fritz Sringmeier and was particularly interested by his mention of the Taylors, a mind control family in the UK from a town called Bacup, especially as this is just 9 miles away from my home town of Rochdale. Coincidentally I was once sent to hospital because a girl at school called Taylor from Bacup, a junior champion discus thrower accidentally threw the discus and hit me on the head leaving me with seven stitches . . .

    I also noted that my mother in fact had a 'droopy eye' , recently corrected by surgery, as this is described by him as a sign of heavy mind manipulation. When my mother told me recently that her mother had told her she was a twin and the other on was taken away at birth I was shocked. I asked - what! was it still alive? and she said well yes, it was crying in the corner of the room. My parents are in their eighties, and I have been interviewing them about all this on video although I haven't told them much about my suspicions because I think it would be too much for them to handle.

    My own mother was heavily sedated with barbituates for around a week before the birth of myself and my twin sister, just sayin y'know. . I've checked and it was the usual treatment for pre-eclampsia which she had.

    I recently mentioned to my mother that I was beginning to suspect that there was a network of tunnels under our houses, connecting them to The Elms mansion and to the underground bunker in Alice Park the look on her face was not surprise or interest but shock. I had started to wonder, when I noticed on google earth how everything around there has been flattened and filled in, including the front garden to our old house, which used to have steps up to the front door but is now at ground level, the Alice Park bunker 'air raid shelter' and the ancient buriel mound of Solsbury Hill which has been flattened to make a motorway.
    Alice Park Swainswick
    "Herbert MacVicar had an underground air-raid shelter constructed so that park visitors could seek refuge from German bombs. Once the war was over the old shelter became a store for sports equipment such as cricket gear, tennis nets and footballs but has now been filled in" reference

    Solsbury Hill
    Before and After




    The recent destruction of the ancient monument and Hill Fort Solsbury Hill, that was situated just a few hundred yards behind our house may also be of significance in this respect. An intriguing caption under a picture of Solsbury hill on The Megalithic Portal site reads "Probably an Entrance but there seems to be a lot of quarrying in this north west corner"

    Mention has been made of mines, tunnels and caves used by the Swainswick Home Patrol during WW11 Bob Millard
    This (Bathampton) patrol had its hideout in one of the stone mines on Hampton Rocks (GR778651). Although the adjacent area has changed through collapse the original entrance can still be distinguished. This was just large enough for a person to squeeze through before it opened up into a cavern and was camouflaged by a stone slab"
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    This is excellent information, thank you for sharing, for speaking up and speaking out!

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    Fascinating story, and I believe it. Coincidentally my father went to a boarding school called The Elms in Wales... I look forward to reading anything more you uncover!
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    Reincarnation and the Cathers

    Thank you for your comments Mary and Baby, and Chief Big Beard. In respect of The Elms in Wales, I have come to feel that this reality is in a sense similar to the movie The Thirteenth Floor in that if you research far enough in any direction it soon becomes apparent that this so called reality is not what 'they' would have you believe. If I come across anything on the Welsh Elms I will take note and pass it on to you.

    Upon researching these old mansions and institutions you eventually discover that those who had the money to own these places almost invariably did so at the expense of others and treated the mass population as fair game for exploitation and as increasingly becoming apparent to me - experimentation.

    I've been looking into who was the Medical Director of Bailbrook Asylum when as a child I was living a few hundred yards away. This is how he is described by Tony Robinson when he did a program on the subject:
    "In 1962, respected Bath psychiatrist Dr Arthur Guirdham was visited by a female patient who was haunted by vivid and violent nightmares from a moment in history of which she had no prior knowledge.
    She recounted names, details and historical information that Dr Guirdham recognised as belonging to the Cathars, Christian heretics who were pursued by the French Inquisition and eventually massacred at Montségur in 1244.
    Soon after her revelations, other women started coming forward with similar flashbacks and detail, leading Dr Guirdham to believe that he was witnessing an unbelievable occurrence – mass reincarnation.
    I immediately ordered his autobiography and another of his books, and am currently trying to work out if he was himself an unwitting subject of an early mind control experiment or if his interpretation of events was correct . .

    What is interesting is some of the descriptions of how prior to receiving their psychic messages they sometimes describe hearing a high pitched noise, and experiencing dizzyness . . hmmm

    Coincidental is that his interest in the Cathars led him to Bulgaria where I bought a house myself a couple of years ago, and upon researching the Cathars, who I knew nothing about until last week, I find a strong affinity with some of their views - renouncing materialism which I stated was my intention at the age of 17, and eating a vegetarian diet that includes fish, which is what I have eaten, again since the age of 17
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