Plants Respond To Sounds, Sing and May Talk & Eavesdrop

[earthist]

Okay, where is their brain then? What part of the plant is capable of sentient thought?

If you insist that sentience exists only in/because of a brain, then you don't believe that "you" or "I" exist beyond death. You could be right, but that's not my paradigm.

Other than trees, and only a few of those, my paradigm says that individual plants have a kind of collective sentience, which is pretty much what the article you posted was saying, I think.

YMMV, and that's OK with me.

[Divinorumus]

If you insist that sentience exists only in/because of a brain, then...

Okay, remove your brain and show me how sentient you can be without one. ha ... come on , do it , show me .. ha.

[earthist]

Okay, remove your brain and show me how sentient you can be without one. ha ... come on , do it , show me .. ha.

I'm not ready for any Salvia today, but next time you try it, take a look in the mirror and tell me if you're still sentient.

[Divinorumus]

I'm not ready for any Salvia today, but next time you try it, take a look in the mirror and tell me if you're still sentient.

Now how in the heck am I suppose to remember that, let alone know what a mirror is, while I'm under the influence of that and can't even tell you who or what I am during such an intriguing ego-be-gone experience? So tell me, since you must have tried and looked to suggest trying such a thing, what is suppose to happen?

[earthist]

Now how in the heck am I suppose to remember that, let alone know what a mirror is, while I'm under the influence of that and can't even tell you who or what I am during such an intriguing ego-be-gone experience? So tell me, since you must have tried and looked to suggest trying such a thing, what is suppose to happen?

So, you're saying you're not sentient then?

[Divinorumus]

So, you're saying you're not sentient then?

All salvia does is, at the right dosage (level 5+), is it strips away your ego for 10-15 minutes. You still have thoughts, you just loose most of your memory/indoctrination/programming (in order words, you can view the WORLD THROUGH AN UNBIASED MIND, one NOT filled with years of fucked up indoctrination/programming by the PTB/humon society). I thought you had tried it since you were suggesting trying that mirror thang. So, what's you point, salvia's sentient-ness is walking around in my head? What? Have you even tried it, or had the guts to try it? You can't be a shaman in training if you haven't, ha, it's a necessary requirement, a right of passage so to speak!

[Dera]

Sure, plants do have a sense of self, why not?

Plants Respond to Music

Did you know that your plants respond to music the same as human beings do? It has been proven scientifically through many experiments that plants thrive on music, though there are some who do not agree with the theory. Gardeners, however, have no doubt that fading flowers get a new lease of life by music and flowers blossom in their fullest glory listening to music. In 1973, Dorothy Retallack's book The Sound of Music and Plants based on scientific experiments created ripples.

For the rest of the story, see: http://www.ukpianos.co.uk/plants-respond-to-music.html

[earthist]

All salvia does is, at the right dosage (level 5+), is it strips away your ego for 10-15 minutes. You still have thoughts, you just loose most of your memory/indoctrination/programming (in order words, you can view the WORLD THROUGH AN UNBIASED MIND, one NOT filled with years of fucked up indoctrination/programming by the PTB/humon society). I thought you had tried it since you were suggesting trying that mirror thang. So, what's you point, salvia's sentient-ness is walking around in my head? What? Have you even tried it, or had the guts to try it? You can't be a shaman in training if you haven't, ha, it's a necessary requirement, a right of passage so to speak!

OK, so Salvia doesn't "detach" you from your brain? If that's what you're saying, then I assume you retain sentience according to your earlier post that seemed to stipulate the brain is necessary for sentience.

I'm unclear what ego means, particularly as regards sentience and self awareness which are related in my thinking. The difference between ego and self is where I'm confused.

I'd be interested in discussing issues around self and consciousness with you. You seem to have an interesting and unusual paradigm, and I might could learn something(s). I like learning things.

On the other hand, I don't like justifying things. My opinion is mine, and I'm not required to prove it to you or anyone. Disagree and be done with it. Live and let live.

As for shamanism, your definition and mine apparently differ, especially as regards training. I have been taught by a Cherokee/Navajo human who is recognized by at least some Navajo as a "qualified" medicine man. I have also met and been taught briefly by a Hawiian human who is recognized as a kahuna. I have read and met several other spiritual leaders: other N-A medicine men and the Dalai Lama among them. Though I cherish those experiences, and learned from them, I don't claim them as teachers because the meetings were on the order of hours rather than days or years. I have not been taught by Salvia, nor any other "teacher" plant, though I honor those who have had that experience.

I have vision-quested, journeyed to the "underworld," done purification and healing ceremonies including sweat lodges, sun-danced (without piercing) and more stuff along those lines. Shamanism may not be the best word for my training, but I haven't come up with a better one. If you have a suggestion, I'm listening. If not, it's just semantics which again boils down to opinion. Mine is mine, and you're welcome to yours.

[Divinorumus]

Sure, plants do have a sense of self, why not?
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Why not? I don't know what kind of potatoes you are eating, but the ones I've eaten don't have a brain. There is no THANG within a plant that can THINK of that sense of self.

And, plants can't respond to music in the sense you might be thinking of. Again, they have no BRAIN, no component to think with! Also, they have no EARS either. I mean, my cup of coffee is reacting to some music right now, I can see little ripples on the top of the liquid, but it is the VIBRATIONS of the sound waves that are affecting it. I can see how the vibrations from sound might affect a plants cells, just like how a breeze can too, but not because the music is going into some potato ear and by being processed by some kind of potato brain hidden inside.



Oh, and in case nobody heard about this too, the Earth is NOT FLAT. It's ROUND! There! Two myths resolved, ha!

[Divinorumus]

I'm unclear what ego means, particularly as regards sentience and self awareness which are related in my thinking. The difference between ego and self is where I'm confused.

Ego IS your sense of self, it's who you are, your personality, your character, it's all that stuff that's been stuffed into our minds since birth that make you who you are. Had your programming been different, you could have grown up to be a muslim, a commie, a murderer, a trash collector, the president, whatever ... You might think your ego is yours and who you are, but in fact, your ego has been programmed by others since birth! Turn that off and you might get to see who you REALLY ARE! That's why this experience can be so profound!

Ego: the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.

It is a most unique and enlightening experience to suddenly observe the world with an unbiased egoless mind. An egoless experience is like all the filters are switched off within our mind and we can view the world untainted by our indoctrinated beliefs. Prior to me meeting this plant, I use to eat other life forms too. After my encounter with this plant and learning something that had been hidden from me since birth, I had to make a lot of changes. Kind of like how some people change after proclaiming they have met some god (of course I don't believe them, because if I ever met and found out there was a real god, I certainly could never sin again, no freaking way .. yet the SO-CALLED believers don't give a damn and continue to sin sin sin, ha, thus I think they are full of B.S., ha).

[Dera]

Why not? I don't know what kind of potatoes you are eating, but the ones I've eaten don't have a brain. There is no THANG within a plant that can THINK of that sense of self.

And, plants can't respond to music in the sense you might be thinking of. Again, they have no BRAIN, no component to think with! Also, they have no EARS either. I mean, my cup of coffee is reacting to some music right now, I can see little ripples on the top of the liquid, but it is the VIBRATIONS of the sound waves that are affecting it. I can see how the vibrations from sound might affect a plants cells, just like how a breeze can too, but not because the music is going into some potato ear and by being processed by some kind of potato brain hidden inside.

Oh, and in case nobody heard about this too, the Earth is NOT FLAT. It's ROUND! There! Two myths resolved, ha!

I know some squash heads who have no hearts nor brains--but I will keep my own counsel on that.

[Divinorumus]

I know some squash heads who have no hearts nor brains--but I will keep my own counsel on that.

I don't like squash, so I don't know much about that plant.

[sindyellow]

Hi there...

The whole physiology of plants has not been fully researched yet.
However, scientist are constantly discovering new mecanisms and chemical reactions in plants.
It is true that plant can spread a warning signal to their neighbours but nobody knows exactly what chemicals are used to produce the signal. Likely candidates are: Green Leaf Volatiles and hormones such as ethylene, MeSA, MeJa and (Z)-jasmone. All of these chemicals trigger some defence mecanisms in the plant, each one in a different way.

Sorry if I'm drowning you with some useless facts. But plants are far more interesting and complex than one would think.