It's a frightful thing when you first loose your ego, well at least it startled me, as I wasn't expecting it. Many people I've known call that "entering the VOID." The first time I tried salvia, I was not expecting what happened. That was darn near 10 years ago! When I first tried it, I inhaled a small amount, mostly checking for any allergic reaction or cross reaction with anything else I may have taken (such as nutritional supplements, etc.). Even that little bit I tried started to twist and pull me somewhere, and it passed within 5 minutes or so. Then I loaded up the bowl with a maximum level 5+ dose and let her rip ... and within a minute I was GONE!
I tried to initially resist, struggled to hold onto my ego as I felt it slip away. As I laid there I really began to think I screwed up this time and was dying (although that is quite impossible), but as the experience began to overtake me, I totally relaxed and didn't give a damn if I was dying, because I suddenly began to REMEMBER this state of consciousness from long before ... as if I was headed HOME! It's how our minds must have been right before we are born .. emptied and uninfluenced.
That first time I tried salvia I swear I met some goddess. Whether I did or not is debatable, but I swear it sure seemed real to me. And the thing too is OTHERS have reported the exact same thing, having felt they encountered some goddess ... as if they met god, but god was a female .. not male, ha. I came out of that experience thinking maybe the nice god was female and the bad god (satan) was the male god, ha. I went on to take 5 journeys that night, each lasting about 15 minutes .. and I was floored by the effects of this plant. If you've ever watched many people try this plant, the one common response from them all after returning is "what the heck was THAT?" And, they laugh too, as if during the journey they have been shown the secret of life, something like as if you had momentarily been dragged from the matrix to see that indeed we're all in the matrix and never know it until its over. Something like that, it's too difficult to explain with words .. that's why I call it the red pill experience.
I'm not sure what they mean by perfection, but in my book perfection means complete contentment, peace of mind, something like that. In other words, nothing matters MORE than simply FEELING GREAT about YOURSELF, regardless of anything EXTERNAL to you!!!The gurus who had supposedly achieved Samadhi didn't seem "perfect" to me. They, of course, would tell you that it's my inability to perceive "perfection." Who can say? Live and let live. But, again, the relevant point in this discussion is that I'm not totally foreign to the concept I think you're describing. I am suspicious of it, though, and I don't think it's "for me" at this point.
This reminds me of what someone else said around here, that driving a new vehicle makes them not feel like a looser. Now, what in the hell does a vehicle have to do with how you feel about YOURSELF? A vehicle is not PART of you, it's not what makes you who and what you are. Perfection to me means NONE OF THAT superficial crap, in so far as how I feel about ME!!!
Perfection means I could be happy living as a king in a castle, or as a homeless dude living in a tent. STUFF does not matter or relate to or make ME who and/or what I am and what I want. Sure, prior to this experience, stuff mattered .. fancy car, fancy cloths, money, prestige, superficial respect, etc. Now however, I know NONE of that matters, I do not need ANY OF THAT SHIT to avoid thinking of myself as a LOOSER! Knowledge is what I seek .. experiences are what I treasure .. the ability to think and figure stuff out is what I treasure, not automobiles and cloths and fancy crap to fill a castle with. Happiness, contentment, peace, harmony, pride in oneself, confidence, health, etc. ... these things you can not BUY, but some try .. but honestly, the best things in life ARE FREE!
Ha, it is difficult to talk about the red pill without having experienced it at least once. On low doses of salvinorum A, you do not loose that sense of self, but on high doses you do .. and no matter what you may think that state of mind is like prior to experiencing it, it is NOT what you may think it is. I was totally shocked after the experience. There is absolutely no way I think I could have found that state of consciousness all on my own after a lifetime of trying to obtain it through meditation. I mean, how can I get to what I do not know or where it's at? Whatever preconceived ideas anyone has about what it is like to be conscious but yet free of a lifetime of programming, their ego, it is not what anyone could possible imagine it to be. Again, that's why I call it a red pill experience. It can't be told or explained, there are no proper words to describe it, and if such words existed, the definition of those words would make no sense without having experienced it. It's like trying to explain the color red to someone who has been blind their entire life, it just can't be TOLD or talked about .. you must go there and see for yourself.At this point, it appears to me that the loss of "self" awareness, or the "merging" with someone or something else (or with everyone or everything else) still contains a tiny smidgeon of "self" awareness in it. If I had ever truly achieved the state, I might well say differently. Still, I listen to the descriptions, and then I look at the one doing the describing, and I'm left with doubt.
Well, you can spend a lifetime trying to achieve that state on your own, ha, nothing wrong with that if that's the approach you prefer .. but, aren't you curious? You could peek TODAY, ha.There's a whole lot of de-programming to do between here and there, IMO, and that's what I'm trying to tackle in my own way.
That's probably my problem, I'm too damn curious about anything and everything I know nothing about. You could place a box in front of me and tell me, order me, to not peek inside, but I'm sorry to say, my curiosity will eventually get the best of me and you can bet I will PEEK! My curiosity about everything compels me to turn over every rock .. because I can't think of any reason why I shouldn't turn over every rock. Maybe I was a cat in my previous life, ha. I mean, there's no damn way you could set a box in front of me and NOT expect me to eventually peek inside, no way. I must be like a cat, ha.
Oh, I should add, I once had an experience/journey that I had become a tree for 100 years. I was a tree on a farm and there was a tire swing hanging from one of my branches, ha. Really, I came out of that trip really thinking I had just been away for 100 years while being a tree. I swear the experience felt genuine, as real as being this ME right NOW, but what all that exactly is/was of course is entirely open to debate .. BUT, ha, only with those that have experienced what I'm talking about. I mean, as an example, there is no point in a christian talking about god with me because I've never met their god like they apparently have, thus I am unqualified and inexperienced to speak on the same level as them about their apparent experience.
Div mentions an interesting experience as a tree. I have a similar one. Druids/Celts are said to have held certain trees sacred, and I think there might even be some connection to Ogham "writing" involved. I also think there's some stories about people becoming trees when they die, but I can't point you to a source. Because of my own experience and reading, I'm inclined to think it's not the tree itself, so much as it's "inhabited." On the other hand, when I've "talked" to the few I have, they just seem to be unusual trees. Other plants, tree or not, don't seem to be self-aware. I think I psense a group self, but it's very "weak" and primitive; certainly not something you could "talk" with.
Why do you ask? Have you had tree experience(s), too?
I can say I've been inside a tree for sure, ha.
I'm in that vehicle somewhere ... I think I was either 3 or 4 at the time.
I won't quote the whole post, nor respond to every point. I'll just say the following:
I admit to the temptation, but I also admit to fear. If my curiosity exceeded my fear, there are a couple of other things I'd want to try before salvia, though. As an analogy, I would really like to travel. If I were wealthy, I would really lke to visit my maternal granfather's birthplace in Denmark. But I wouldn't go there first. First, I'd go to Hawaii.
I want to try two things I've stumbled across along the way before I'd try salvia. All 3 might destroy my body or my mind, and so far, I'm unwilling to try any of them beyond a mere nibble at the edges. On the other hand, any or all of them might be the "Big Answer" to something I desperately want to know before I recycle/die this lifetime. As I get closer to that end, the dilemma grows stronger.
In any case, thanks for your explanations. You DO have my sincere respect, even though I don't pretend to understand some of your comments. For instance, the concept that you are half alien, and that aliens want to eat humans. Did that come from salvia? Or is that part of your newfound sense of humor after salvia? Whatever, it is, I don't understand it, so in honesty, I can't respect that piece. Other times, like the recent posts here in this thread, I feel humbled.
I see that you have even named yourself after your favorite weed, Div. Salvia divinorum - "Divinorumus"
Looks like a happy bug got to this plant first, though!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." ~ Ronald Reagan
I assume it does no good for me to point out that it's not just humans that eat flesh; those cats of yours are killers, too. Granted, we are the aliens here, and don't have the right to interfere nor participate without invite. It's possible, though, to ask for an invite, especially now that you are aware of your alien-ness. Granted also that a vegan approach to fighting cancer is scientifically supportable, and almost certainly is helping you to fight that disease.
I have learned from this discussion, and I thank you. Hope you got some benefit from it, too.
Ya know, if there is a god, I'm totally disgusted with this god. That god has design one pretty sick disgusting world. "Here, EAT THIS, these are the creatures you can do with as you please." The biblical version of god sounds like a freaking monster. If THAT kind of god exist, trust me, if I ever get my hands around his/her throat, I'm gonna kill it!!!! And then eat it! And see how he/she likes it. I've heard some say Jesus was god. If that's the case, he sure got what he deserved. Honestly though, I don't believe in the biblical version of god or jesus or any of that putrid dogmatic contradictory hypocritical crap.
I officially recovered from that cancerous cyst about a year and a half ago. It is benign and no threat now.Granted also that a vegan approach to fighting cancer is scientifically supportable, and almost certainly is helping you to fight that disease.
I wouldn't be here if I wasn't getting something beneficial out of it all. It's nice to see how we can have a varied difference of opinions on so many things yet remain relatively civil and friends here. It's hard to find humons that don't get all snotty and bent out of shape when someone has a difference of opinion and then they refuse to even communicate or associate with ya. But, like my signature below states, if anyone has a problem with me and you can't tolerate being around those who are different than you, please, go jump off a cliff .. because the world would be better off without your controlling and warring kind, always insisting others be more like you, ha. I mean, I have my difference with most of ya Earthlings, but I also know I have no right to try to make another be as I think they should be and behave. To each their own ... and let the cards fall where they may!I have learned from this discussion, and I thank you. Hope you got some benefit from it, too.
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