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    Obama Donates 7 Alaskan Islands to Putin for Zero dollars

    Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.


    The seven islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabed’s surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.


    The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.


    The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.


    The imperiled Arctic Ocean islands include Wrangel, Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta. Wrangel became American in 1881 with the landing of the U.S. Revenue Marine ship Thomas Corwin. The landing party included the famed naturalist John Muir. It is 3,000 square miles in size.


    Northwest of Wrangel are the DeLong Islands, named for George Washington DeLong, the captain of USS Jeannette. Also in 1881, he discovered and claimed these three islands for the United States. He named them for the voyage co-sponsor, New York City newspaper publisher James Gordon Bennett. The ship’s crew received a hero’s welcome back in Washington, and Congress awarded them gold medals.


    In the Bering Sea at the far west end of the Aleutian chain are Copper Island, Sea Lion Rock and Sea Otter Rock. They were ceded to the U.S. in Seward’s 1867 treaty with Russia.
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    This from the same page tells a little different story...

    Hold on there Bob, I went over to http://www.factcheck.org and looked this up. Below is a portion of their findings.

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    A look at the map will give the reader some notion of the frozen “Alaskan” islands under discussion. All are far closer to the Russian mainland than to the Alaskan mainland. All lie on the Russian side of the U.S.-Russia maritime boundary set by a treaty that the U.S. Senate ratified overwhelmingly more than two decades ago, after being signed by President George H.W. Bush, and with the support of both of Alaska’s senators.

    The largest, Wrangel Island (in Russian, Ostrov Vrangelya), is named for the Russian explorer Ferdinand P. Wrangel, who heard of the island from Siberian natives as early as 1820. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, Wrangel did not land on it while mapping the Siberian coast that year. The first European to sight it may have been the British explorer Capt. Henry Kellett, who in 1849 discovered and landed on nearby Herald Island, and saw Wrangel in the distance.

    The uninhabited Wrangel Island was sighted by U.S. vessels in 1867 and 1881, but not settled. A Canadian explorer named Vilhjalmur Stefansson and survivors of a disastrous expedition reached the island in 1914. But when Stefansson later tried to claim Wrangel for Canada without authorization, he caused an international incident, infuriating the Canadian government. Then in 1926 the Soviet Union staked a claim to the island and settled a few native families there…

    …And sure enough, no president or secretary of state since has shown any interest in disputing the Soviet/Russian claim to Wrangel Island or the others. Which brings us to the present accusation that President Obama is somehow giving away something the U.S. has never claimed to own. How can that be?

    For one thing, the maritime boundary treaty has never been ratified by the Russians, which is required for it to take full force. By the time the U.S. Senate had ratified the treaty (signed by the Soviets the previous year), the Soviet Union was near collapse. Shortly afterward, the Russian Federation notified the U.S. government by diplomatic note that it would continue to abide by the terms of the agreement on a provisional basis, however.

    Ironically, in view of claims of a U.S. “giveaway,” it is the Russians who have sought to renegotiate the terms of the boundary treaty on grounds that their side gave up too much to the United States. A history of the matter, by Vlad M. Kaczynski of the Warsaw School of Economics, published in the May 1, 2007, edition of the Russian Analytical Digest, details why the new Russian Federation refused to ratify the treaty. Read More http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/ala...land-giveaway/.

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    For one thing, the maritime boundary treaty has never been ratified by the Russians, which is required for it to take full force.
    Therefore the islands are still in dispute. There was no treaty, just an informal agreement. A lot has changed in 20 years. We no know the oil up there for instance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post
    Therefore the islands are still in dispute. There was no treaty, just an informal agreement. A lot has changed in 20 years. We no know the oil up there for instance...
    Didn't you read the red highlighted portion of my post above? It was a 'done deal' back when the big shrub signed the treaty. There is more than a lot of 'dirty' politics going on these days with the presidential election coming up. This is just one more blatant example of bigotry, lies, and pure unadulterated crap being spewed. And NO!! I don't 'do' party politics. But neither do I 'do' damn lies and outright crap.
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    Read my quote that shows why this was never ratified. If one party signs a 2 party treaty it is not in force. The USSR did not sign. I am not anti-obama, however, this is still happening.

    The little article you posted in the first post says very clearly that this was just an informal agreement, not an official treaty. Now, it is back in dispute.

    We bomb the crap out of countries all the time for no reason, but we are willing to give away incredibly valuable land to a dictatorship. Doesn't make sense to me.
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    Doesn't make any sense to me either.....then again, we all know nothing is as it seems, both by so called alliances/not or what the MM presents on the stage of Oz. Very curious.....especially the term "donates".

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    I don't understand the fuss. The Senate ratified the treaty years ago, Bush Sr. signed it, and the Alaskan senators supported it. The islands are very close to the shore of the Russian mainland.

    edit by project: Crap, I hit edit post on your post instead of quoting, then I erased your comment... I am so sorry this was a total accident. Smacks self on head.
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