The Secrets of MIND CONTROL - MKULTRA -CIA - The Secret Agenda

[Debunkinit]

I don't believe in mind control at all. I think weak minds can be forced into suggestions but I think that's about it.

Project, as for al Qaeda in Iraq? Who do you think is blowing themselves up on a daily basis over there? Just so I understand you properly, you are suggesting that "al qaeda" in Iraq is probably a CIA operation or something on that order? Some kind of government cover so Republicans can toe the party line which is "War war war 'til there's brown people no more." Wait, no republicans just want to ruin the air and water because they're wealthy enough to have their own stash. That's how they're going to knock all of us poor people off then when we're gone they'll open their stash of good air and clean water and they'll all live to be 300 in a moderate climate cause then they'll be able to turn off the machines that are creating global warming. I know you don't know this but all rich people have one, it's called the "Poors & Browns People Removal Machine" I think ACME makes it. HAHAHA, if I had to speak those words to someone I couldn't have done it with a straight face.

[Project]

No, I am saying the name "Al Quaida" is a CIA name for a database of terrorists, from before the term was fashionable. As far as I know no terrorist group has ever referred to themselves as al qaida (many spellings). It has been repeatedly stated by people in the know that this term means nothing outside our major media.

It is a convenient fiction.

The question of whether these attacks are in fact 'militants' I have not really researched, it is not surprising for people to try to defend by using violence.

Mind control is getting a majority of intelligent people to believe in something totally made-up.

[Divinorumus]

I don't believe in mind control at all. I think weak minds can be forced into suggestions but I think that's about it.

Well something has control of everyone mind. Just look how they all play monkey see monkey do. Something got them all to go out and get slave jobs and iPods and pay taxes and watch TV and eat cows and worship spooks and fight and make war and . . . . . . I look around and see nothing BUT mind control going down.

[Judee]

Well something has control of everyone mind. Just look how they all play monkey see monkey do. Something got them all to go out and get slave jobs and iPods and pay taxes and watch TV and eat cows and worship spooks and fight and make war and . . . . . . I look around and see nothing BUT mind control going down.

Right Div. Almost everything in our society is geared to 'mind control'. Everywhere we look, from T.V. to magazines tells us, "Buy, buy, buy...". Every law and regulation tells us what we can and cannot do. Religion tells people to believe only a certain way. The list is endless.

[Debunkinit]

http://100777.com/node/1343

This is not just conjecture, anyone can find out the truth if they wish. The enemy is not who you think, and THAT is mind control.

Come on project, none of these real people we see with long beards and turbins giving video taped speeches are real people? None of the terror attacks in the past two decades against American interests around the globe are really there? It's all a fallacy? I don't really care what they're called, who named them or why. They're there, how can you deny that fact? It's not like the CIA or the media is gonna come out and say "Those religious, anti-American people in the mideast that we once gave aide to but now have turned their attention towards us" killed six people in Irag again. They could be called the blue man group for all I care. So our government gave them a name, big deal, they still exist and they're still making demands and they're still killing people.

Perhaps I'm not understanding you though. What do you really believe? Do you believe none of these people exist in sense that they're being portrayed in the media? Do you believe that they're truly hired by the CIA to blow themselves up? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know where your line of thinking is.

[Debunkinit]

Well something has control of everyone mind. Just look how they all play monkey see monkey do. Something got them all to go out and get slave jobs and iPods and pay taxes and watch TV and eat cows and worship spooks and fight and make war and . . . . . . I look around and see nothing BUT mind control going down.

I don't see that as mind control at all. I see that as a choice. You can either get a job and join society or live on the streets and be free, albeit only as free as your lack of money will allow, but free none the less. As for the iPODS and stuff? That's good marketing, not mind control.

[Project]

My line of thinking is well known, and there are 5000+ posts about it. I Don't claim knowledge of who or what or why (here anyways). I can make reasoned statements based on the best facts available. When possible I will back my points up with facts. Unfortunately, the other side (official propaganda and major media) rarely uses facts, they use rhetoric.

They're there, how can you deny that fact?

You are putting many more words in my mouth than I was in fact saying here. I never denied there were some sort of aggressors in the world. Now, we can get to the meat of the matter - how can you prove anything you have been told about this 'group of people', how can you know what they stand for, who they are, what actually happens day-to-day. You can't.

Now, since you call yourself a debunker, how in the universe can you take this stuff at face value without looking into it? That is the mind control. You really don't even have to look hard, since even the most 'patriotic' person would admit the CIA was involved with arming and training many of the people who may be claimed 'leaders' now of dangerous groups.

Terrorist groups CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY or else it is useless. They have a name, a reason. They usually have a leader, or at least a doctrine. They are not faceless omnipotent boogeymen who can slip through any security to plant that bomb.

The fact the media calls them al-qaida in iraq is laughable, they know people are so controlled they won't even pause a second over it, and if someone says something, others are trained to say "Are you saying there is no war? That our boys are not dying because some [insert nasty racist slur] blew themself up? You don't support the troops yadda yadda".

If you are not familiar with it, look up some of the old mind control experiments we know about, and see what the most effective controls were (hint: they involved your peers).

[Divinorumus]

I don't see that as mind control at all. I see that as a choice. You can either get a job and join society or live on the streets and be free, albeit only as free as your lack of money will allow, but free none the less. As for the iPODS and stuff? That's good marketing, not mind control.

Oh really now. Gangs of humans all didn't deside to live the same as each other all by their independent selves. What you said actually reinforces what I said. What you're saying is we have a choice: give into the mind control and play the game, or likely starve and die (if you are not entitled to a piece of your own planet because you're not playing the kings mind control games, where are you gonna build your nest and plant your apples?). Some choice, huh?

We've all been rounded up and put into the kings holding pens and have been, via mind control, indoctrinated to behave as the king says. And tomorrow when the sheeple turn on their televisions and it says go buy the new iToasters because you all can't live without them, the king will have tightened his noose around your mind and hide.

Ask yourself this: Are you living as you desire? Do you feel your life is your own? You have freewill, yet what stops you from the life you REALLY want? Who is really in control of your mind tomorrow? You? Or something else on your appointment schedule?

I would be willing to bet that if you all severed that connection between your minds and that which controls them, your kings would have a major hissy fit. For example, if everyone gave up ALL television tomorrow, and tossed all that needless crap in the trash (sure, there maybe be some cute things on, but its still the kings poisonous show, just like how a poison pill can be dipped into sugar candy and chocolate), the king would freak out for loosing a major access port to your mind. Without that, they couldn't direct and herd all the sheeple into one direction tomorrow.

[Debunkinit]

I'm sorry, I just don't see that as mind control Div. I see it as social order created over thousands of years. People stopped being nomads when they learned how to grow food. So rather than traipse around looking for food they decided to settle down and grow it. As the shipping industry began to take route communities gathered first by rivers large enough to support the industry so people naturally gathered there. As they gathered, things grew, people wanted "stuff" so others began creating stuff and that continues to this day. You could just as easily say that the people creating things are under mind control to make things because people want things. I just don't see it as mind control at all. Being part of a society is not being mind controlled.

As for the other parts of your post, sure, I would like to live a different way however the only thing preventing me from living how I want is having the money to do it, it's not mind control. It's lack of a huge income or luck in the lottery stopping me, nothing else. The fact is that I could live exactly the way I wanted if I had the money to do so. No one would try or even want to try stop me, there wouldn't be any control of that decision at all.

Wanting things like iPODS is not "mind control." I was not compelled by some other force to purchase my iPOD. I wanted to listen to items of my choice at work and when I go to the trailer, that's why I purchased one.

Now if you're talking mind control where you see an ad on T.V. and you choose to buy the product because you think it's useful or cool then sure, everyone is mind controlled but I thinks it's more commonly known as freedom to choose.

I don't know about you or others on this board. I make my choices based on what the most reasonable, rational decision is. If I choose to live in this society then there are certain modicums of behavior that I have to agree to live by. The laws we all live by were created by people like you, me, your grandparents, great-grandparents, etc...over a couple hundred years. The laws are not a commandment of an overseer, they're a culmination of years of people deciding how they do and do not want to live and passing laws. The fact that you have to follow them means you're in a social organism, it does not mean your being mind controlled. Want it different, quit your job, dump your "stuff" and do it some other way, as long as you don't trample on someone else or break any laws no one will stop you, how can that possibly be mind control? Turn off the TV if you think it's all fixed to take your mind. There's no mind control, there's only personal choice. You can choose to believe something or not you can choose to buy something or not, you can choose to go to work or not.

There's a saying that goes "You can't make me do anything, you can only make me wish I had."

[Captain Beyond]

The tv and the media are blatantly obvious mind control tools. It's a slow process of sculpting you thoughts, your opinions, your reactions to certain situations of social, political, religious, etc., behavior to a predetermined conclusion.

[Divinorumus]

I was not compelled by some other force to purchase my iPOD.

Yeah, right.

[Alpha]

The tv and the media are blatantly obvious mind control tools. It's a slow process of sculpting you thoughts, your opinions, your reactions to certain situations of social, political, religious, etc., behavior to a predetermined conclusion.

Well said CB.

The existence of historical mind control is well documented...not only in this thread, in other threads on the forum along with countless resources on the net and elsewhere.

Those who don't believe it, have either not done the reading, research or refuse to consider/accept in within their preconceived paradigm IMHO, as is their right to do so.

Government documents support it's history and use.

We have some excellent threads here on the "Mind Control Deck"

Another suggested read among the many here is Mind Control in Music - The Aquarian Conspiracy

[teresius]

I don't believe in mind control at all. I think weak minds can be forced into suggestions but I think that's about it.

Project, as for al Qaeda in Iraq? Who do you think is blowing themselves up on a daily basis over there?

Just so I understand you properly, you are suggesting that "al qaeda" in Iraq is probably a CIA operation or something on that order? Some kind of government cover so Republicans can toe the party line which is "War war war 'til there's brown people no more." Wait, no republicans just want to ruin the air and water because they're wealthy enough to have their own stash. That's how they're going to knock all of us poor people off then when we're gone they'll open their stash of good air and clean water and they'll all live to be 300 in a moderate climate cause then they'll be able to turn off the machines that are creating global warming.

I know you don't know this but all rich people have one, it's called the "Poors & Browns People Removal Machine" I think ACME makes it. HAHAHA, if I had to speak those words to someone I couldn't have done it with a straight face.

it's amusing that you don't believe in mind control, because you've obviously been twisted by it and just don't see it. let me illustrate:

read your post above. seriously, read it and then read the post preceding it.

maybe you'll notice that NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS VS. DEMOCRAT. that's a card that you always play and it's a method of division.

i don't know if i speak for anyone else here, but personally i could give a shit less whether you're a republican or not. first and foremost, you're a human being, albeit a hard-headed and woefully misled one. and, once again, you're making assumptions based on previously-held concepts. you've got it backwards.

project points out that al-queda was started by our cia and you assume that they've gone off of the reservation (btw, project, GREAT FIND, and are you stating above that al-queda, literally translated from arabic, means 'the database?'). at what point do you imagine this occurred? and, while we're on the subject, why do you think it happened? you seem to have quite a bit of faith in our gov. agencies. don't you think that they would have planned for that contingency? if so, what happened to those plans?

here's a real question:
if they were 'out of the loop' (off the reservation, whatever) before 9-11, how did they manage to pull it off on a day that we were running drills FOR THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO? where did they get their intel?

back to the subject:
not believing in mind control is like not believing in the sun. believe it or not, it's real and you'll get heat-stroke and skin cancer regardless of your belief. i could probably have you standing on one leg and clucking like a chicken to the tune of yankee-doodle-dandy every time that you hear the three-note "nbc" song snippet and you still wouldn't believe. there really are stranger things on heaven and earth than in the minds of men.

and something that you posted elsewhere has been annoying me:
IT'S NOT ABOUT AN EPIPHANY!!!
i didn't just wake up one morning and "get it." i didn't dispute the government claims about 9-11 until i had some of the facts. the more facts that emerged, the clearer it became to me that it didn't go down the way they want us to think it did. as a matter of fact, i even have some new info that sheds more light on the events of that day. i'll post that in the appropriate thread.