Quantum Physics and Metaphysics

**maryals** · 06-07-2005

I am studying the book "The Dancing Wu Li Masters", which seems to be a beginners guide to Quantum Physics and Quantum Mechanics. You may think it odd, but studying Quantum Physics is actually giving me a deeper understanding of Metaphysics, especially the Ancient Eastern Truths.
I believe that the Quantum Science is the Science that will Marry Science to the Spiritual, and eventually bring about "Balance".

Forgive me for dropping this gem and then signing off, but, as you can see, it is late and I mut get to bed.

Actually, I look forward to what you wonderful, intelligent folks have to say!

MaryAlice both particle and wave!

**Project** · 06-07-2005

It is an interesting study... but the whole picture is not held in QM AFAIC. However, the idea of making a quantum change through the obverver's stance, which is then translated through a series of quantum reactions to produce a macro-level event is very interesting, and is perhaps the answer to the mysteries of the mind.

The big problem is not scientific theories vs. metaphysical... rather science itself vs. metaphysics. These are contrary ways to view the universe, and only a new methodology can bring a rapprochement.

**Topper** · 06-07-2005

The more I learn the less I understand on this topic of mind over matter in a quantum field.

Here's something a friend of mine wrote

Calibrations of solar flares as a measurement of frequency
left side of the decimal point - higher mind
right side of the decimal point - is the atmosphere of the plane

If that doesn't mind boggle you nothing else will.

**maryals** · 06-08-2005

Originally Posted by Project

It is an interesting study... but the whole picture is not held in QM AFAIC. However, the idea of making a quantum change through the obverver's stance, which is then translated through a series of quantum reactions to produce a macro-level event is very interesting, and is perhaps the answer to the mysteries of the mind.

The big problem is not scientific theories vs. metaphysical... rather science itself vs. metaphysics. These are contrary ways to view the universe, and only a new methodology can bring a rapprochement.

That's what I'm saying! The New Science, Quantum Physics, is just the thing, the methodology, to bring rapproachement. An' it'll make all us folks git along real good too

Forgive me, it's a little game that Rainmaker and me play. One of us will use a $10 word and the oher repeats it in low vernacular. An' I likes to repeat it usin' real small 25 cent words too

It's 2 ayem, I gotta get to bed. But I will be back with some excerpts from "The Dancing Wu Li Masters".

Good nite and Blessed Rest and Sweetest of Dreams to all, in all the Infinate Universes in which we all dwell!

MaryAlice

Shecoda · 06-17-2005

Well Mary, where are the excerpts? I am waiting, this is such an interesting subject.

**maryals** · 06-18-2005

Originally Posted by Shecoda

Well Mary, where are the excerpts? I am waiting, this is such an interesting subject.

I'm sorry. Believe it or not, I actually forgot about this thread, my very own thread!

My bedtime drugs are kicking in. So, I promise that tomorrow I will sit down with the book, and begin at the beginning.

Just do me one eeentsy favor? please don't open that box!

MaryAlice

Shecoda · 06-18-2005

The cat will starve if nobody opens the box.

Dilemma If the cat is dead it doesn't matter.

If the cat is alive it will die of starvation or dehydration if nobody opens the box.

By the way anytime you come up with more quantum physics or even general physics I have more jokes.

I love physics.

I really love temporal physics.

If a cat yowls in a forest and nobody is around........................................

**maryals** · 06-18-2005

You don't understand, Shecoda, according to Quantum Mechanics, nothing happens between the start of the experiment and the mesurement of the result. Therefore, our little kitty is safely in a state of suspended animation untill the experiment is completed, that is, someone opens the box to see!

"If a cat yowls in the forest and nobody is around....." Silly goose! Any cat worth it's whiskers wouldn't bother to howl if there was no one to hear it!

MaryAlice BRB with the book

**maryals** · 06-19-2005

"The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav is the only reference book I'll use for now. Rest assured that RainMaker has all the other Physicists on his bookshelf, so, if needs be, I could look up Steven Hawking or Micio Kaku, folks like that.
PLEASE my friends feel free to jump in. Even if Physics isn't your gig, I know that you will soon see how Quantum Physics, that is, Physics at the sub-atomic level is also soooooo Metaphysical.
I find the very Dedication on the front page of this book gives me little goosebumps: "This book is dedicated to you, who are drawn (italics mine) to read it".

The Author was spending some time at Big Sur. He was at dinner with some friends, fellow Physicists, when he noticed, sitting at the table, was one Al Chung-liang Huang, a Tiai Chi Master who was leading a workshop there.

Huang said, that when he studied Physics in Taiwan, they called it Wu Li (pronounced woo-lee). Wu Li means "Patterns of Organic Energy".
As we all know, the Chinese Language is very interesting, colorful, descriptive and, sometimes, confusing.

"Wu" can mean either matter or energy! Just chaw on that one for a few minutes.

"Li" means "universal order", "universal law", "organic patterns". The grain in a piece of wood, the textured pattern on a leaf, the petals of a rose, are all examples of "Li".

Now, we have all, at one time or another, also heard stories about the fact that the way a word or words are pronounced in Chinese can have very different meanings!

"...Al Huang has created a beautiful tapestry from his own epistemological loom:
PHYSICS = Wu Li
Wu Li = Patterns of Organic energy
Wu Li = My Way
Wu Li = Nonsense
Wu Li = I Clutch My Ideas
Wu Li = Enlightenment"
pages 33 - 34

Where does the "dancing" part come in? Al Huang is the sort of T'ai Chi Master who stands, as it where, in the center rather than on the fringe of his students. In Scientific terms, he does not teach about gravity until a student has stood in wonder at a petal falling to the ground. Then, when the student asks, "How does this happen?", does The Master gradually bring in the mathematics. This, according to the author, is a kind of Dance.

I should say, that the Author, Gary Zukav, does not intend for his book to go off into discussions of Spiritualism and Metaphysics. But, I am so happy to have friends here to make the Journey with me thru the SubAtomic Realm, that I see no reason why we can't go there, from time to time.

MaryAlice

Shecoda · 06-19-2005

Originally Posted by maryals

You don't understand, Shecoda, according to Quantum Mechanics, nothing happens between the start of the experiment and the mesurement of the result. Therefore, our little kitty is safely in a state of suspended animation untill the experiment is completed, that is, someone opens the box to see!

"If a cat yowls in the forest and nobody is around....." Silly goose! Any cat worth it's whiskers wouldn't bother to howl if there was no one to hear it!

MaryAlice BRB with the book

I understand completely, but there is already known physics, this is only theory.

What is completely understood is that an animal cannot be held in suspended animation indefinitely without some sort of life support. Think of this over hundreds of years. The idea is that the body and therefore the life of the cat winks in and out of existence periodically. But even that winking in and out takes a toll on flesh. That is why the accepted conclusion to this theory is that the cat will probably be dead when the box is opened. The idea is that it is a 50 50 chance that you will open the box when the cat is alive. The truth is that a lving animal cannot stand that sort of stress and would die anyway.

Now if we were talking about an inanimate object.

**maryals** · 06-19-2005

Well put, Shecoda. In truth, a cat is waaaaaaaay toooooooo large to be part of The Quantum Physics/Quantum Mechanics field of Science and Theory.
But, Ol' Schroedinger had to come up with some thing, and the "cat in the box" thing seemed to catch on.
One of the first things The Author talks about, teaches, is that one of the major things about Quantum Physics is that it deals in probabilities unlike the Physics of Newton or Galileo, which deals in absolutes.
For example, a student of Newtonian Physics, playing pool, can look at the cue ball, look at the ball she wants to pocket, calculate (in her head) just exactly where to hit the cue ball with the stick and with what amount of force so as to cause the cue ball to hit the ball she wants to pocket. It may be a straight on shot, it may be a bank shot.
This can be repeated over and over and every time, the ball goes into the pocket.

Not so with particle physics, one of the studies that falls within the realm of Quantum Physics. In the sub atomic realm the person doing the experiment can only give probabilities of where the "particle sized ball" will go.

Well, it's a lovely Summer day, so I think I'll go outside awhile and contemplate the "Li" of my Lilac Trees!

Hopefully I will be able to stay awake tonight and listen to Art Bell and visit with younz in the TO.
Till then

MaryAlice