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    Former Canadian Minister warns of Intergalactic War - Bush Plans ET Defence Stance

    **edit**Art was talking about this latest news and Random's initial post last night Nov 28....we already had some stuff going here about the topic so I merged the threads....see Random's post # 13 for the most current headline...this should be interesting to follow **end edit
    I just heard an interview on 640 AM Toronto ( Mojo Radio) with Paul Hellyer, Former National Defence Minister. Most interesting, is that this interview was done on prime day time....not snuck in sometime in the wee hours of the night.

    Seems he's coming out of the closet with his knowledge and experiences in his long government tenure with the UFO cover up as a supporter of Disclosure.

    He'll be a guest speaker at the upcoming UFO Expolitics Covention - A Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Directions in Toronto, sponsored by Mufon on Sept 25, 2005.

    Also appearing will be Paola Harris, Richard Dolan, Stanton Friedman, Stephen Bassett. http://www.exopoliticstoronto.com/tickets.html

    Hellyer takes up the cause of believers in UFOs

    By JOHN WARD

    From: CNEWS

    OTTAWA (CP) - Paul Hellyer, onetime cabinet minister and a political chameleon who went through Liberal and Tory colours before founding two political parties of his own, has a new cause - UFOs.

    Hellyer is to be a featured speaker at a UFO conference in Toronto later this month and organizers are making much of his credentials as a former defence minister in the Pearson administration 40 years ago.

    Skeptics are, well, skeptical.

    The 82-year-old Hellyer says he believes not only that UFOs are extraterrestrial visitors, but that some governments - the United States at least - know all about it and are covering up.

    He says he believes American scientists have re-engineered alien wreckage from a supposed UFO crash at Roswell, N.M. in 1947 to produce modern technical marvels.

    "I believe that UFOs are real," he said in a recent interview. "I'll talk about that a little bit and a bit about the fantastic coverup of the United States government and also a little bit of the fallout from the wreckage, by that I mean the material discoveries we have made and how they've been applied to our technology."

    Hellyer was once a political star. He was first elected to the Commons in 1949 at the age of 25, at that time the youngest person ever to win a seat.

    He went on to become a cabinet minister, ran for the Liberal leadership against Pierre Trudeau, switched parties to the Conservatives and ran for that party's leadership, too. He eventually founded two other political parties, Action Canada in 1971 and the Canadian Action party in 1997.

    He says his conviction that UFOs are real arose from reading in recent years, not from anything gleaned from secret archives during his time in office.

    "I've been a skeptic for quite a while but I've been exposed to more and more information recently and have just decided to take a stand," he said.

    Organizers of the MUFON conference - the name is an acronym for the Mutual UFO Network - see Hellyer's participation as giving legitimacy to the cause.

    The conference is billed as "Canada's first major UFO symposium calling for complete government disclosure concerning the reality of UFOs and the extraterrestrial presence on Earth."

    "Mr. Hellyer's involvement will increase the impact of the symposium," says a conference news release.

    Victor Viggiani, a retired educator who is an organizer of the event, calls him a featured speaker.

    "We're depending on him to be a real focal point," Viggiani said. "We're using his sort of experiences to demonstrate that national political figures can come out and talk about this."

    He says Hellyer has a simple point to make: "Let's start telling the truth about what we all know is really happening in the skies and journalists start paying attention, that's basically going to be his message."

    Does Hellyer feel he's being used?

    "I think they are trying to make the most of my appearance."

    His participation is exasperating for David Gower, a spokesman for Skeptics Canada, a group dedicated to rational thinking and to debunking paranormal claims.

    "This sort of thing is a big feather in their cap, to come across people like him," says Gower, who is dismissive of the whole UFO mystique.

    "There's no convincing evidence that can be anything other than personal anecdotes or allegations that can't be proven," he said.

    He said UFO enthusiasts have a quasi-religious fervour that often makes them impervious to doubt.

    "There is a deep-seated need, a desire in people, to feel that there's something in control somewhere, bigger than they are, something that can give some kinds of answers."

    Trying to wean people away from UFO beliefs is like "nailing Jello to the wall," he said.

    Viggiani says UFOs could be a boon for mankind. He says they have technology that could solve the world's energy problems "in one fell swoop."

    This is where the conspiracy theory takes off for him.

    "For some strange reasons, our governments can't come forward to talk to us about what these energy sources are," he says. "Because oil is just about $70 a barrel and that would undercut a lot of the power structure, the World Bank . . . the fossil fuel industry.

    "They are just not prepared to handle this."

    Hellyer, too, thinks there are important secrets to be learned.

    "I think, frankly, that the subject should be taken seriously, because there are consequences that have real effects or could have real effects on the people of the world and I think there should be discussion of it."

    While some believers think western governments have actually negotiated with extraterrestrials, Hellyer doesn't go that far.

    "To my knowledge, it's just visitations," he says.

    Although his participation in the conference is likely to draw ridicule, Hellyer said he's used to that after his roller-coaster political life.

    "It wouldn't be the first time, would it?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper
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    Laird I do think this is a big wow...hasn't been much new in the UFO community for a while.

    Someone like Hellyer with his "high level" insider background, to be willing to come out, realizing what ridicule he will be facing seems quite telling to me anyway......

    Perhaps he would be a great new addition as a Coast guest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha
    Laird I do think this is a big wow...hasn't been much new in the UFO community for a while.

    Someone like Hellyer with his "high level" insider background, to be willing to come out, realizing what ridicule he will be facing seems quite telling to me anyway......

    Perhaps he would be a great new addition as a Coast guest.
    The problem is that he has formed his opinion based on readings of other peoples' experiences and not from anything he might have read in the secret archives. He leaves himself open to ridicule, given his former high station in political life with nothing official to back his opinion on....unless there's something he's holding back.

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    Interesting snowbird....I wasn't aware of that.

    The interview I heard with him on a Toronto station lead me to beleive otherwise for some reason.

    Would be interested to here more re what you say.

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    Can't remember if it was Ian or George that brought up this story the other day on C2C. I bet they are trying to line him up for an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha
    Interesting snowbird....I wasn't aware of that.

    The interview I heard with him on a Toronto station lead me to beleive otherwise for some reason.

    Would be interested to here more re what you say.
    Well, I got that from the interview you posted in your original post. If you got something further from hearing the interview, then perhaps he's holding something back. Maybe he was "testing the waters" in that written interview that you posted. Needless to say, it will be interesting to actually hear what he has to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean
    Can't remember if it was Ian or George that brought up this story the other day on C2C. I bet they are trying to line him up for an interview.
    I know he’s ”pretty much retired” these days.
    But MAN! ... I’d LOVE to hear Art do this interview!

    In any event, .. I hope Lisa Lyons is lining someone up to do this interview on C2C.
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    On Thanksgiving Day (Canada) Coop Radio broadcast the Hon. Paul**Hellyer’s speech to the Toronto Exopolitics Symposium, held September 25, 2005*at Convocation Hall, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA. *

    In 1963, Hon. Paul Hellyer became Minister of National Defence in the cabinet of Lester B. Pearson, who won the Nobel Peace Prize. Mr. Hellyer was Minister of**Defence from 1963-1967.**Throughout his life, Hellyer has been opposed to**the weaponization of space. He supports the _Space Preservation Treaty_ *

    http://www.peaceinspace.org/

    **to ban space**weapons.** *
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer

    ** *
    GUESTS: Victor Vigianni & Mike Bird, Directors *
    EXOPOLITICS TORONTO: A**Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Directions Symposium*
    * *
    http://www.exopoliticstoronto.com/index.html
    http://www.exopoliticstoronto.com/index.html
    *
    Click the following links to view the historic speech given by Hon. Paul Hellyer at the Toronto Exopolitics Symposium and Planetary Direction.**(You can save it on**your hard drive or watch it streaming) *
    http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/
    http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/*

    * *
    Also, you can view the Discovery Channel's TV coverage of this Toronto event*at their video archives here:
    *
    _http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/27/2005_ http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/27/2005

    * *
    Former Canadian Defense Minister Speaks Out on Extraterrestrial**Visitors & Government Secrecy *

    On September 25, 2005, Hon Paul**Hellyer, the former Canadian Minister for National Defense gave a speech in**Toronto at an event titled:"Exopolitics Toronto: A Symposium on UFO Disclosure**and Planetary Direction"
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    _www.exopoliticstoronto.com_
    http://www.exopoliticstoronto.com/


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    Hellyer described his time as Minister for Defense from 1963-1967 where the**occasional UFO sighting report crossed his desk. He claims to never have had**time for what he considered to be a "flight of fancy", but nevertheless retained**an interest in the *
    UFO phenomenon.

    While Minister for Defense, he was guest of**honor at the opening of the world's first UFO landing pad at Alberta, Canada in**1967. He thought it an innovative idea from a progressive Canadian community**willing to pay for his helicopter ride, but did not give much thought to UFOs as**having serious policy implications.

    He also describes a private UFO sighting he*later had with family and guests, but once again attributed it to a 'flight of**fancy' *
    rather than anything having serious policy implications.*
    * *
    Hellyer's position on UFOs dramatically changed after watching the late Peter Jennings documentary special, "Seeing is Believing" in February 2005. *

    Hellyer**decided to read a book that had been idly sitting on his book shelf for two years. Philip Corso's, The Day After Roswell, sparked intense interest for*Hellyer in terms of its policy implications. Corso named real people,*institutions and events in his book that could be checked.

    Intrigued by the**policy implications, Hellyer decided to confirm whether Corso's book was real or*a "work of fiction". He contacted a retired United States Air Force General and*spoke to him directly to verify Corso's claims. The unnamed General simply *
    said:**"every word is true and more".


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    Hellyer then proceeded to discuss the "and *
    more**…" with the general and claimed he was told remarkable things concerning *UFOs**and the extraterrestrial hypothesis that interplanetary visitors have *been here**since at least 1947.

    Finally convinced that the UFO phenomenon was real Hellyer**decided to come forward and speak at Exopolitics Toronto about some of the "most**profoundly important policy questions that must be addressed." *


    (for speech go**to: http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gormworm
    Hellyer then proceeded to discuss the "and
    more…" with the general and claimed he was told remarkable things concerning UFOs and the extraterrestrial hypothesis that interplanetary visitors have *been here**since at least 1947.
    To Heck with Hellyer.
    I’d like to hear Art interview the general!
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    Former Canadian Minister warns if Intergalactic War

    (PRWEB) - OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.”

    By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

    On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

    Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."

    Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."

    Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."

    Hellyer’s speech ended with a standing ovation. He said, "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy, and let the truth emerge, so there can be a real and informed debate, about one of the most important problems facing our planet today."

    Three Non-governmental organizations took Hellyer’s words to heart, and approached Canada’s Parliament in Ottawa, Canada’s capital, to hold public hearings on a possible ET presence, and what Canada should do. The Canadian Senate, which is an appointed body, has held objective, well-regarded hearings and issued reports on controversial issues such as same-sex marriage and medical marijuana,

    On October 20, 2005, the Institute for Cooperation in Space requested Canadian Senator Colin Kenny, Senator, Chair of The Senate Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, “schedule public hearings on the Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, so that witnesses such as the Hon. Paul Hellyer, and Canadian-connected high level military-intelligence, NORAD-connected, scientific, and governmental witnesses facilitated by the Disclosure Project and by the Toronto Exopolitics Symposium can present compelling evidence, testimony, and Public Policy recommendations.”

    The Non-governmental organizations seeking Parliament hearings include Canada-based Toronto Exopolitics Symposium, which organized the University of Toronto Symposium at which Mr. Hellyer spoke.

    The Disclosure Project, a U.S.– based organization that has assembled high level military-intelligence witnesses of a possible ET presence, is also one of the organizations seeking Canadian Parliament hearings.

    Vancouver-based Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS), whose International Director headed a proposed 1977 Extraterrestrial Communication Study for the White House of former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who himself has publicly reported a 1969 Close Encounter of the First Kind with a UFO, filed the original request for Canadian Parliament hearings.

    The Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, presented by the organizations to a Senate Committee panel hearing in Winnipeg, Canada, on March 10, 2005, proposes that the Government of Canada undertake a Decade of Contact.

    The proposed Decade of Contact is “a 10-year process of formal, funded public education, scientific research, educational curricula development and implementation, strategic planning, community activity, and public outreach concerning our terrestrial society’s full cultural, political, social, legal, and governmental communication and public interest diplomacy with advanced, ethical Off-Planet cultures now visiting Earth.”

    Canada has a long history of opposing the basing of weapons in Outer Space. On September 22, 2004 Canadian
    Prime Minister Paul Martin declared to the U.N. General Assembly,” "Space is our final frontier. It has always captured our imagination. What a tragedy it would be if space became one big weapons arsenal and the scene of a new arms race.

    Martin stated, "In 1967, the
    United Nations agreed that weapons of mass
    destruction must not be based in space. The time has come to extend this ban to all weapons..."

    In May, 2003, speaking before the Canadian House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada Lloyd Axworthy, stated “Washington's offer to Canada is not an invitation to join America under a protective shield, but it presents a global security doctrine that violates Canadian values on many levels."

    Axworthy concluded, “There should be an uncompromising commitment to preventing the placement of weapons in space.”

    On February 24, 2005, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin made official Canada's decision not to take part in the U.S government’s Ballistic Missile Defence program.

    Paul Hellyer, who now seeks Canadian Parliament hearings on relations with ETs, on May 15, 2003, stated in Toronto’s Globe & Mail newspaper, “Canada should accept the long-standing invitation of U.S. Congressman
    Dennis Kucinich of Ohio to launch a conference to seek approval of an international treaty to ban weapons in space. That would be a positive Canadian contribution toward a more peaceful world.”

    In early November 2005, the Canadian Senate wrote ICIS, indicating the Senate Committee could not hold hearings on ETs in 2005, because of their already crowded schedule.

    “That does not deter us,” one spokesperson for the Non-governmental organizations said, “We are going ahead with our request to Prime Minister Paul Martin and the official opposition leaders in the House of Commons now, and we will re-apply with the Senate of Canada in early 2006.

    “Time is on the side of open disclosure that there are ethical Extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth,” The spokesperson stated. “Our Canadian government needs to openly address these important issues of the possible deployment of weapons in outer war plans against ethical ET societies.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/200511.../prweb314382_1

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