The Plan - NAU

[Delphine]

I was totally unaware of the SPP until I heard something about it on the radio today. I am a bit ashamed, as I consider myself well-informed. Also, I see that it has been discussed on page one of this thread. A little googling brought up the following article about a Freshman Representative from Utah who is trying to fight it.


From: Desertnews.com
Wednesday, January 17, 2007

Lawmaker Assails Trade Accord
He says deal may lead to elimination of borders

A freshman conservative legislator says the United States should get out of a North American trade and security agreement before the countries morph into a European Union-type organization that could take away some of the United States' sovereignty.

Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Provo, has introduced HCR7, which asks Congress to withdraw from, or at least take oversight control of, a 2005 agreement that was signed by President Bush and the leaders of Mexico and Canada.

While at first glance the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" may seem harmless, said Sandstrom, it could lead "to the elimination of our borders" in the name of free trade.

"It could well perpetrate our illegal immigrant problem. We could end up like the EU, even have a common currency," he said.

However, Joe Reyna, chairman of the Utah Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, doubted America's border with Mexico would be opening up any time soon.
"I don't think it would happen in the next 100 years," Reyna said. "Our cultures are so different."

Reyna said the SPP agreement is beneficial to the United States, particularly when it comes to security provisions, which include sharing intelligence on terrorism. "It creates a partnership, an agreement to protect our borders so the flow of goods and services runs without any interruption," he said. "You cannot have trade without security."

Since Democrats now control both houses of Congress, Sandstrom doesn't think his resolution will be taken seriously by national lawmakers.

"But at least we can raise the awareness" of what the SPP could mean down the road, he said.

The Utah Legislature has gotten into some real scrapes over seemingly-innocuous resolutions sent to Congress. Several years ago legislators debated whether Utah should recommend that the United States get out of the United Nations.

But principled stands should be taken, says Sandstrom. For example, his resolution says that a super, secure highway could be built from Mexico to Canada across the middle of America, leading to all kinds of troubles, especially if the U.S. lost control of how it would operate.

Alex Segura, head of the anti-illegal immigration group Utah Minuteman Project, agrees with Sandstrom. "It's a very scary thing that they are doing this without the consent of the American public," Segura said. "It's to create commerce ... even at the price of community."

Segura admits that it may seem far fetched that the United States would join a European Union style commerce organization, but he says the nation is heading toward open borders for people and goods. "I just hope they'll take (Sandstrom's) bill and look at it seriously," Segura said.

The resolution goes on to say: "Whereas, the gradual creation of such a North American Union from a merger of the United States, Mexico, and Canada would be a direct threat to the United States Constitution and the national independence of the United States and would imply an eventual end to national borders within North America."

"At least the Congress should take a vote on this — it has never gone to it," Sandstrom said.

The agreement could bring far-reaching implications that few people are looking at, he said. "The EU has not been good for some countries in Europe —you have Germany with loose immigration, and that impacting France and England," where they are having problems with their immigrants, he said. "It can become a real societal issue we should look at."

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The only other lawmaker I know about who is seriously fighting the border problem with Mexico is Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) of Colorado. Rep. Tancredo, highly regarded among conservatives for his uncompromising stances on immigration reform, says he will run for President.

IF, (is this true?) most Americans want the border with Mexico tightened, where are our government representatives who should be listening?

And, is something happening to our Constitution?

[Project]

Seriously, watch this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/398640...rder_crossers/

[Alpha]

It's getting closer folks....should make us all a bit more than afraid.

To protect us...my as*!!

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on integration

Source: Ottawa Citizen

CanWest News Service

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican politicians discussed using "stealth" to overcome public resistance to the integration of the three countries at a confidential meeting last year, according to documents just released under U.S. Freedom of Information laws.

08/02/07 "Ottawa Citizen" -- -- Top military brass, corporate executives and diplomats also attended the meeting in Banff, Alta., where participants discussed everything from the harmonization of food and drug standards, to common immigration policies, and the pooling of energy resources.


The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

Presentation outlines for the forum acknowledge that the concept of North American integration - which some call a "North American Union" - is unpopular, and note that it might be tough to sell as a concept.
"While a vision is appealing, working on the infrastructure might yield more benefit and bring more people on board ('evolution by stealth')," the notes said.

"Evolution by stealth" means using regulatory changes, such as food- and drug-safety benchmarks, which don't require parliamentary approval, to lay the infrastructure for North American integration. This allows for change with little or no public debate, critics say.

Media were excluded from the September forum, and Day, who gave a speech at the event, declined to reveal the contents of his talk.

"It was meant as a private meeting," said Melisa Leclerc, a spokeswoman from Day's office, although she conceded he attended "in his capacity as minister for public security."

"It is not encouraging to see the phrase 'evolution by stealth' in reference to important policy debates such as North American integration," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a Washington-based conservative watchdog group that obtained the documents last week.

But, former finance minister John Manley, who attended the meeting, said the forum was "not part of a nefarious plan to yield sovereignty to the U.S. .... It was just some informed private citizens and government officials having a conversation" on how best to co-operate to ensure their citizens enjoyed a safe and prosperous future.

In fact, he said, Canada comes out stronger than ever from such meetings, which force "some senior American officials to think about Canada for a few days."

However, Maude Barlow of the Council of Canadians said the reference to stealth is "a very telling and important statement."

Many of the politicians who attended the forum have been pursuing "integration by stealth" for the past two years, she said, pointing to a little-known but top-priority agreement called the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

The accord, kickstarted by U.S. President George W. Bush, then-prime minister Paul Martin and former Mexican president Vicente Fox at a 2005 meeting in Waco, Texas, is designed to streamline everything from food and drug safety standards to counter-terrorism measures.

Government officials from the three countries are expected to meet in Ottawa later this month. However, Foreign Affairs spokespeople said they did not yet know when it would be held or who would attend.

The partnership's stated goal is to protect North America from security threats such as terrorism and flu pandemics as well as economic threats from new global-market giants such as China.

Many of the accord's measures are not contentious, such as plans to improve water quality, reduce sulphur in fuels, and co-ordinate efforts to fight pandemics and avian flu. But it also covers a host of hot-button issues such as plans to enhance data-sharing on high-risk travellers, revamp safety and environmental regulations, centralize the assessment of new chemicals and rework food safety standards.

Most of the 300 policy recommendations within the accord may not require legislative changes, the Council of Canadians said.

Ottawa Citizen
© CanWest News Service 2007

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Safe and propserous for whom??

[Alpha]

Seriously, watch this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/398640...rder_crossers/

Cleary P, this is all part of "The Plan".

Looks like they're paying border security to let the "illegal aliens" is, as apposed to either keeping them out or keeing the borders safe.....quelle surprise

And I thought your link was going to be to a video of the guy who crossed the border with an elephant and a mariachi band and now one stopped him!!!!!

[Dark Skies]

The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

Stock Day use to live a few blocks from my parents. I remember him and his family coming to their house during the local municipal campaigns many moons ago. Eventually he became the provincial finance minister for the Conservative party then spearheaded the national Alliance Party and failed miserably via his daily political blunders across the country. I had to look twice when I saw his name on this list cause I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. He's in way over his head with that group of people listed.

[Alpha]

Stock Day use to live a few blocks from my parents. I remember him and his family coming to their house during the local municipal campaigns many moons ago. Eventually he became the provincial finance minister for the Conservative party then spearheaded the national Alliance Party and failed miserably via his daily political blunders across the country. I had to look twice when I saw his name on this list cause I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. He's in way over his head with that group of people listed.

I agree Dark Skies....he just be there for a reason.....easy and convenient puppet perhaps?!

[Alpha]

Since Ian's hosting this topic tonight on 7.7.7., I thought I'd bump this thread up for those who may have missed it.

[Delphine]

Thanks, Alpha. I just spent a long time reading all of this, again. ...Or maybe I should thank you for the anxiety attack I'm having....breathe into a paper bag, right?

[Boomer]

With regards to that map I've noticed allot of road re-construction on I-94, I live near it midway between Chicago and Detroit. In some cases I see no reason at all for what they are doing to perfectly good road and in other areas there are massive changes being made like the intersection of I-94 and US-131. They tore out overpasses and are putting in new ones and adding more lanes, too early to tell yet and this is the 2nd summer they've been working on it. What does arouse my curiosity are the concrete barrier walls in one area that stand 15-20 feet high and are well away from the road itself, can't say how long these wall are going to be as it's still ongoing. I should also add this construction is going on in many locations on I-94.

[Topper]

Wonder how long it will take the North American Union to develop and print its new currency and coin? The maple leaf mexican flag dollar.

[MuseNoir]

So what kind of events will take place to spread fear through the masses in order for this to go forward? My guess is a Port "terror" incident or two. This would make an alternative to ports seem necessary.

[Boomer]

Wonder how long it will take the North American Union to develop and print its new currency and coin? The maple leaf mexican flag dollar.

Heh heh heh...I remember a poster 15 years or so ago who worked at a US Mint saying he and others were moving pallets around and he saw some paper currency that was remarkably different, he asked a supervisor about it and the reply he got was "it's for future use". That always stuck in my mind, I only wish I could remember what else he said, it wasn't typical US Currency.

[Captain Beyond]

Heh heh heh...I remember a poster 15 years or so ago who worked at a US Mint saying he and others were moving pallets around and he saw some paper currency that was remarkably different, he asked a supervisor about it and the reply he got was "it's for future use". That always stuck in my mind, I only wish I could remember what else he said, it wasn't typical US Currency.

Yes Boomer, I heard the same thing. The currency is already printed. It makes sense. You can't crash the US dollar and not have a replacement ready. I suspect something like a 10 to 1 exchange. 10 old dollars for one new one.

They will use this crisis to pay off much debt and make the Americans,Canadians, and Mexicans equal monetarily. There goes that retirement account. And you know what? We deserve it here in Amerika. We have sat on our asses way too long and it's probably too late.