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    Legalizing Torture

    Democrats chose to outsource their policy on military tribunals to John McCain. And McCain did what he's done best the last year: capitulate to Bush.

    "Senators Snatch Defeat From Jaws of Victory: U.S. to be First Nation to Authorize Violations of Geneva," Georgetown University law professor Marty Lederman writes of the so-called "compromise" between Senators McCain/Graham/Warner and President Bush.

    Says Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU's Washington legislative office:

    "The proposal would make the core protections of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions irrelevant and unenforceable. It deliberately provides a 'get out of jail free card' to the administration's top torture officials, and backdates that card nine years.

    "Also under the proposal, the president would have the authority to declare what is — and what is not — a grave breach of the War Crimes Act, making the president his own judge and jury. This provision would give him unilateral authority to declare certain torture and abuse legal and sound. In a telling move, during a call with reporters today, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley would not even answer a question about whether waterboarding would be permitted under the agreement.

    "The agreement would also violate time-honored American due process standards by permitting the use of evidence coerced through cruel and abusive treatment. We urge lawmakers to stand firm in their commitment to American values and reject this charade of a compromise."

    Adds the Washington Post editorial page:

    "In effect, the agreement means that U.S. violations of international human rights law can continue as long as Mr. Bush is president, with Congress's tacit assent."

    In the end, McCain got loads of admiring press coverage. And Bush got almost everything he wanted.
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    The bad news is that Mr. Bush, as he made clear yesterday, intends to continue using the CIA to secretly detain and abuse certain terrorist suspects. He will do so by issuing his own interpretation of the Geneva Conventions in an executive order and by relying on questionable Justice Department opinions that authorize such practices as exposing prisoners to hypothermia and prolonged sleep deprivation. Under the compromise agreed to yesterday, Congress would recognize his authority to take these steps and prevent prisoners from appealing them to US courts. The bill would also immunize CIA personnel from prosecution for all but the most serious abuses and protect those who in the past violated US law against war crimes.

    In short, it's hard to credit the statement by [McCain] yesterday that "there's no doubt that the integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions have been preserved." In effect, the agreement means that US violations of international human rights law can continue as long as Mr. Bush is president, with Congress's tacit assent. If they do, America's standing in the world will continue to suffer, as will the fight against terrorism.
    What kind of animals are these people? How totally wrong can they be in how many ways? How can anyone support a man who says up front he wants to TORTURE people???
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    Alright, this is political, but I would say the same damned thing about any party - this is about humans, not politics!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post
    Alright, this is political, but I would say the same damned thing about any party - this is about humans, not politics!!!
    To go one step further, it`s about controlling humans. If they can get us to accept the dehumanization and torture of another group of people, how long will it be before they introduce legislation legalizing the same treatment of suspected criminals over here? And don`t even bother saying "oh, they`d never do that" because the government has NEVER given itself a power or an authority to do something that it has not sooner or later abused the hell out of just to prove that they can.
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    http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rush/2112_20119899.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by loner View Post
    To go one step further, it`s about controlling humans. If they can get us to accept the dehumanization and torture of another group of people, how long will it be before they introduce legislation legalizing the same treatment of suspected criminals over here? And don`t even bother saying "oh, they`d never do that" because the government has NEVER given itself a power or an authority to do something that it has not sooner or later abused the hell out of just to prove that they can.
    Bend over and kiss it goodbye, sheeple.

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    DAMNED RIGHT! If we are even the slightest bit OK with torturing others, we are gonna get it back 1000%.
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    Amerika cannot, absolutely cannot, survive what happened in the U.S. Senate on Thursday, 28 September 2006.

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    The tree of Liberty is only fed by the blood of patriots. America shall fall by it`s faults or be lifted by it`s enlightenment. The cost has yet to be determined.
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    proj·ect
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    The geneva convention says 'no outrages upon human dignity' - Bush says 'that is very vague, like, what does that mean'.

    You freaking pond scum coke addled alcoholic son of a satanist idiotic culture killing world destroying moron. You make the US look like a bunch of redneck hicks out on a drunken moonlight drive, looking for a foreigner to run over and leave in the ditch. I know the majority of the population are good people, but WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY? Where are the moderates saying this is ridiculous, that this administration needs to be immediately brought up on charges of international stature, that they need to answer to the world.

    Already, they have killed far more innocent citizens than any so called dictator out there.

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    Just so I am fair, Clinton was as bad to the Iraqi people at least... and he could be impeached for a blowjob. Bush isn't impeached for a blow-world!
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    Trust me, Project, the way that things are currently going, the world is DEFINITELY going to end with a bang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post
    The geneva convention says 'no outrages upon human dignity' - Bush says 'that is very vague, like, what does that mean'.

    You freaking pond scum coke addled alcoholic son of a satanist idiotic culture killing world destroying moron...
    Ah, you`ve got a firm grasp on reality there, P. Wish more people did.
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    Also see THIS

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