Shadow People

[lastconundrum]

Alpha, I didn't mean to imply that the only possible evidence is material or that all the people who experience unusual things are delusional. I've experienced and participated in many "unusual things" myself. It comes down to a matter of trust; if someone tells me that something beyond the normal has happened and doesn't have material evidence (gee, no alien body in your freezer, too bad ) I have to decide whether to trust their integrity. In my experience many people are liars, fools or crazy; integrity, like diamonds, is rare (but oh so valuable).

Whiteplume, I was on a UFO investigation once when we ran into what I believe were ghosts. None of the other investigators were willing to admit that _anything_ unusual had happened. So everyone has their own "reality filters".

[Alpha]

Since Brad Steiger is on Coast tonight, Sept 4, 2007, I thought I would bump this thread up...topic tonight is "Shadow Worlds".

Should be an interesting ride....join us in the Temporal Observatory tonight if you'll be listening to the show and would like to chat and discuss what is presented.

If any of you have found more information on this topic or have had any experiences, please do post them here!!

[Hadriana]

I saw my first shadow person when I was about 23. This sounds crazy, but he looked like he was solid black - knight? A little guy that looked like he had the outline of a knight in armour. Anyway, he saved my life. I'm on this stupid laptop, and I'm so sleepy, so I don't want to go into details, but I've NO doubt that this shadow person abolutely saved my life. I do remember that during his appearance - and it was full, almost but not quite face on - I was terrified and I heard a very low pitched, loud slow buzzing sound.

Then I did not see them for a long time - one, but it was maybe a ghost? It was dark outside and I was at Corpsewood Manor in the dark and I had a whole conversation with what I thought was my husband! Boy did I freak as I saw my husband come around from the other direction! So who was that I was talking to? I don't know. Ghost or shadow person.

THen, I went on MIrapex or my RLS - and that increases your dopamine. Man, if I take that stuff every night - I get totally to seeing shadow people EVERY day. I told my doctor - he said to back off when that happens until it settles down. But still I see them often.

Ok,so that might be medication, but I think they are always there and the increase in dopamine just tunes the frequency. Just My Opinion - and they've never been anything but ok - I have never felt afraid of them - in fact, I sometimes get the feeling that they are guarding me. I'm almost sure of it.

And I have written 'expert' after 'expert' out there, and I have been told that a very small number of people DO report that shadow people are HELPFUL to them.
But no one will tell me WHY.

Believe it or NOT, lol, I am and have always been a very high functioning person. I don't mention this fact to people on a routine basis.

I don't think that we all live in the same universe. I don't think that my reality is the same as my father's - but it is MORE than just my lifestyle - it is perhaps also that we REALLY are in slightly different universes where the rules are not always the same- 99% may be, but there are this few..... I think we might share the physical world, but that at least SOME of us also live in universes with supernatural components.

[Mcnowhere]

I saw one when I was down on my hands and knees trying to strip an old floor of wax. I had just moved in. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a man who was dressed like Abe Lincoln, standing in the doorway. Just got a flash of him. The odd thing about this was, I was stripping the floor with a deadly combination of bleach and amonia that I mixed up myself. I thought I was so clever. Within about a half hour, my eyes started running and blood started coming out of my nose. My face ended up looking like a football. I drove myself over gravel roads for an hour and half to get to emergency. The doc told me that I could have killed myself. I have no idea if there was any connection between almost killing myself and seeing this figure out of the corner of my eye.

[Divinorumus]

The only times I've noticed any kind of apparition is either when I've been woken up in the middle of some dream that is continuing while I'm waking up here (like how someone will continue to visualize and keep flailing at the boogieman while waking up from a nightmare), or when I'm under the influence of one of a few particular natural substances (DMT seems to always causes apparitions to appear). Sometimes it can take me a minute or so to waken out of a dream if I'm woken up in the middle of one, and I'll experience a meshing of this realm and the other realm until I'm fully awake here. Once in a while it may not end for what seems like many minutes. I'm pretty confused for a while if someone wakes me from a dream. Or, if I'm really tired and start to dose off and begin day dreaming, I'll see them dream inhabitants (seemingly) roaming around in this realm if I suddenly open my eyes. Other than that, while fully awake and alert, I've not really seen anything unusual.

[Alpha]

The only times I've noticed any kind of apparition is either when I've been woken up in the middle of some dream that is continuing while I'm waking up here (like how someone will continue to visualize and keep flailing at the boogieman while waking up from a nightmare), or when I'm under the influence of one of a few particular natural substances (DMT seems to always causes apparitions to appear). Sometimes it can take me a minute or so to waken out of a dream if I'm woken up in the middle of one, and I'll experience a meshing of this realm and the other realm until I'm fully awake here. Once in a while it may not end for what seems like many minutes. I'm pretty confused for a while if someone wakes me from a dream. Or, if I'm really tired and start to dose off and begin day dreaming, I'll see them dream inhabitants (seemingly) roaming around in this realm if I suddenly open my eyes. Other than that, while fully awake and alert, I've not really seen anything unusual.

Div, a part of the article below supports your experience, although it has not been that way for me, nor does it explain how some of these beings are caught on film, or why others seem to "perceive" them in an awake state...

Hauntings: What Are Shadow People?

By Nannette Richford

Takeaways
The figures does not have distinguishable facial features.
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Reports of shadow people have existed throughout history. The observer generally reports seeing a dark shadow that resembles the form of a human which appears and moves of its own accord. The figures does not have distinguishable facial features and may be either much smaller or larger than a human. They are often noticed as movement from the corner of the eye, sometimes disappearing when the observer turns to investigate.

Shadow people may move quickly across a room, usually disappearing through the wall or closed door. Many report a feeling of extreme dread or fear accompanying the sighting. Others have reported that when the shadow moves across their physical being a feeling of extreme cold overcomes their body. This sensation of coldness disappears once the apparition is gone.


Many believe that shadow people are the ghost of someone who has passed on but is not able to leave this physical world for some reason. Others believe that shadow people are creatures of another dimension that somehow overlaps our own, causing it to be partially visible. Many have captured images of what they believe to be shadow people in photographs.
Other paranormal enthusiast believe that shadow people were never human at all and are a demonic spirit that embodies pure evil.



Some have reported seeing glowing red eyes, but generally shadow people appear as a simple form that resembles the human form. Some report the presence of a hat or cape. One thing in common is that shadow people often try to avoid detection and like to observe from corners of the room, usually at night.


Shadow people have been observed in daylight and many have observed them in full vision, although it is common to catch a sighting from the corner of the eye.


A state, known as hypnogogia, a physiological condition when a person is half way between sleeping and waking, could explain some sightings. During hypnogogia, the individual can be aware of the environment and at the same time be in a dream like state where they can receive images from the subconscious that they perceive to be real. In this waking-sleep state, similar to sleep paralysis, the individual often reports the sensation of dread that may be accompanied by shadows or flickering lights or other visual hallucinations. Hypnogogia could explain many instances of people reporting shadow people, but it does not explain the appearances observed by those who are wide awake or day time sightings.


Other skeptics attribute shadow people to nothing more than overactive imaginations and neurological disorders that trigger hallucinations or visual disturbances. This may be true in some cases, but does not explain images caught on film or shadow people who have been observed by more than one person.


Shadow people do not appear to be dangerous, although they fill the observer will an overwhelming sense of fear and dread. The sense of pure evil may create a foreboding and uncomfortable atmosphere in the home.


Many choose to seek the help of ghost hunters, psychics, and even the clergy. It may be helpful to invite paranormal investigators to your home to identify the haunting. For some, a psychic cleansing has taken care of the problem. Others have chosen to invite members of the clergy to perform an exorcism of the home. Still others choose to simply leave the shadow people alone and cohabitate in relative peace.



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Personally I have never felt the evil or dread when I notice them....just a bit on an eerie "what is this" or like being watched or observed.

[Hadriana]

I had a very unusual shadow person experience just 2 days ago. I was driving on the highway at 75 MPH with my windows up. I saw this shadow person come out of nowhere from in front of my vehicle, and grab the side, where the door is and hang on before I lost him. Maybe 5 seconds this black dementor looking thing was holding on to the door looking in at me. I was trying to just drive without wrecking!

[Alpha]

I had a very unusual shadow person experience just 2 days ago. I was driving on the highway at 75 MPH with my windows up. I saw this shadow person come out of nowhere from in front of my vehicle, and grab the side, where the door is and hang on before I lost him. Maybe 5 seconds this black dementor looking thing was holding on to the door looking in at me. I was trying to just drive without wrecking!

Oh man Hadriana...that's quite an experience.

Did you do anything overtly to try to get it away or did he just "let go"?

I think ...no never mind, I know that would have freaked me right out.

The ones that I've seen have never gotten that close to me.....or not atleast in the aware state that I was at the time.

Now in sleep paralysis, that's a different story...not shadow beings though

[Divinorumus]

Div, a part of the article below supports your experience, although it has not been that way for me, nor does it explain how some of these beings are caught on film, or why others seem to "perceive" them in an awake state...

Who can perceive this "awake state" thing you speak of? Do you always know when you are experiencing another dream? If something shows up on film, it's not an other-worldly apparition. To be photographed it must be something that actually exists here, a "this world" explanation or thing, nothing thus supernatural. The shadows I'm talking about are the visitors that can only meet where our minds reside. Telepathically, visually and audibly. They exist elsewhere, another time and place and possibility, but they and we can (as the hippies say) astral travel. The spooky shadows I've met don't show up on film, only the actual shadows here do. I'm talking about the pink elephant shadows that are real but not actually in this realm or dream.

[Alpha]

Who can perceive this "awake state" thing you speak of? Do you always know when you are experiencing another dream? If something shows up on film, it's not an other-worldly apparition. To be photographed it must be something that actually exists here, a "this world" explanation or thing, nothing thus supernatural. The shadows I'm talking about are the visitors that can only meet where our minds reside. Telepathically, visually and audibly. They exist elsewhere, another time and place and possibility, but they and we can (as the hippies say) astral travel. The spooky shadows I've met don't show up on film, only the actual shadows here do. I'm talking about the pink elephant shadows that are real but not actually in this realm or dream.

Well Div, one could always debate that when we refer to our "paradigm" of "being awake" that we may not be...perhaps we are really only "awake" in the astral, or perhaps it all states, yet not aware of them or perhaps not...that really is the question, isn't it?

What is reality?, when are we "conscious"?...are we even conscious most of the time or rarley...perhaps for some, non of the time....

My previous reference to "awake" was merely the a ground to the conventional "paradigm" to which most refer

Perhaps you are correct....it's only the shadows of these entities or being that we see...hence perhaps an appropriate name!!

[Judee]

Shadow people do not appear to be dangerous, although they fill the observer will an overwhelming sense of fear and dread. The sense of pure evil may create a foreboding and uncomfortable atmosphere in the home.

I believe that there are different kinds of 'shadow people' -- evil and benign. I also believe that when one is in a state of grief, or fear, we become vulnerable and open ourselves to these opportunistic entities (or 'things that go bump in the night' if you prefer.) Shortly after the death of my husband, and while in a state of deep and painful grief, I had an experience with one that I have a hard time believing to this day. I believe that evil seeks weakness to prey on. I was in a mentally weakened condition to be sure. This 'thing' seemed to come out of a whirling vortex in the air above me. I was lying down at the time, and was in a very bad state mentally. It stood at the end of my bed, and I could feel the presence of absolute perfect and chilling evil. I remember that my heart was beating so rapidly I thought my chest would explode. I also remember knowing that if somehow this 'thing' was able to take me away, I would cease to exist forever. That taught me a lesson that remains to this day, and that is to never remain in the negative thought process for very long. Evil and negativity is drawn to the same. I always try to stay in the 'positive' side of thinking, and have never had an experience like that since. Years later I have thought about it, and wondered whether or not it might have been my imagination. My conclusion? Abso-freakin'-lutely not!!!

[Dera]

Hmmmm. I think this just may be a shadow cowboy on his shadow horse.

It wouldn't be nice to shoot Dera. She is a loving, sweet, cuddly granny who is just chronologically challenged once in awhile.

[Delphine]

I had a very unusual shadow person experience just 2 days ago. I was driving on the highway at 75 MPH with my windows up. I saw this shadow person come out of nowhere from in front of my vehicle, and grab the side, where the door is and hang on before I lost him. Maybe 5 seconds this black dementor looking thing was holding on to the door looking in at me. I was trying to just drive without wrecking!

That's awful. I wonder why he chose to come after you...