C'mon nightcat my friend....spill please, will ya.
C'mon nightcat my friend....spill please, will ya.
Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you
Ok....while we're waiting for our friend, night the cat....here's a bit of something from a bit of a different angle....what do you all think about this?
And so, we perhaps thought is was only scientists, biologists, cult leaders....hmmmm.
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From: konformist.com
WHO'S NEXT?: CIA Killings of American and British Rock Musicians,1968-1998
by Alex Constantine
Research assistance: The late Mae Brussell's "Operation CHAOS," an unpublished essay, and film-maker Lew Lee.
"Reports of appalling excesses committed by domestic intelligence operatives during the Vietnam era have surfaced repeatedly in the public print since the evacuation of Saigon: the FBI's COINTELPRO outrages, the probable involvement of military intelligence officers in the murder of Martin Luther King, et.al,, assaults on 1960s activism by the CIA's CHAOS division, the distribution of LSD to subvert the anti-war movement, a litany of Watergate "horrors" and various ill-conceived, federally-sanctioned undercover operations.
Some of this closet activity has only come to light decades later, including the existence of a CIA-led "Sovereign Committee," an assemblage of prominent reactionaries bent on turning back the civil rights movement in the South of the 1960s by decimating the lives of its leading spokesmen.
Still eclipsed by federal classification are the tactics of the U.S. intelligence sector in the destabilization of the lives of musicians and counter-cultural activists, as revealed in a Senate Intelligence Committee report released on April 26, 1976:
"Show them as scurrilous and depraved. Call attention to their habits and living conditions, explore every possible embarrassment. Send in women and sex, break up marriages. Have members arrested on marijuana charges. Investigate personal conflicts or animosities between them. Send articles to the newspapers showing their depravity. Use narcotics and free sex to entrap. Use misinformation to confuse and disrupt. Get records of their bank accounts. Obtain specimens of handwriting. Provoke target groups into rivalries that MAY RESULT IN DEATH."
Killing was, without question, deemed a sound option by an intelligence sector embroiled in suppressing the popular backlash to military-industrial authority. One covert operation proposed by the President Nixon's Plumbers unit,, a CIA cadré, involved the bombing of 100,000 demonstrators at a rock concert in Mission Bay, San Diego during the 1972 Republican convention (an event subsequently moved to Miami, where the same White House special operations unit planned to provoke a riot to be blamed on the Left, per Harper's magazine for December 1972, until the whistle was blown by FBI informant and Green Beret vet William Lemmer before a Florida grand jury).
The music industry of the Vietnam period was the binding force of a cultural revolution. Music and the politics of the Left were one. "War," Mick Jagger reflected, "stems from power mad politicians and patriots. Some new master plan would end all these mindless men from seats of power." Mick Jagger's audience sang his revulsion, but their enmity toward the warfare state was mutual.
The back channels of the intelligence world swarmed with crooks and killers. This genré belched forth the late Robert Hall, associate of Robert Vesco and Howard Hughes, a private investigator in L.A. summed up by former Harper's editor Jim Hougan: "tough, reasonably brave and decidedly larcenous ... a father, a wiretapper, an informer, a dope peddler and a double agent" (Spooks, William Morrow, 1878).
Hall tailed Sal Mineo one evening in 1975 ... the very night the actor was stabbed to death. (Mineo's had signed on to play Sirhan Sirhan in a film about the murder of Robert F. Kennedy - in it, CIA assassination and post-hypnotic programming were to be prominently featured themes.)
Hall was retained by the managers of seven rock bands to investigate physicians who'd slipped their musicians fraudulent prescriptions, drugs that altered their personalities, sabotaged public appearances, hindered their lives and music. Hall reported that two doctors and a dentist had prescribed the mind-altering drugs. This information was turned over to the authorities. No action was taken.
Hall was gunned down shortly thereafter, on July 22, 1976.
The homicide investigation turned up tapes recorded by Robert Hall. Beverly Hills Police Chief Jack Eggars immediately resigned due to his involvement with the drug dealer, as revealed in the tapes. The media, observed the late political researcher Mae Brussell, linked the killing to "Hollywood's most famous celebrities in drug and sex scandals, exposures of television starts and high Washington officials, drug traffic from Los Angeles to the Malibu community, international sports events, the Los Angeles police department (one of their former agents is now retired, and heads the Police Science Department at L.A. Valley College and supplied the fatal weapon used to kill Hall)."
Jack Ginsburgs, Hall's partner, was charged with the murder. Ginsburgs, according to Hougan, was "a pornographer, the proprietor of XXX, Inc. The son of a White Russian émigré, he'd spent his youth inside the decadent Shanghai Bund - that romantic foreign colony which [was] a meld of opium, kinky sex and intrigue." Gene LeBell was also charged. LeBell, another partner in Hall's firm, owned a pharmacy in Hollywood.
Between 1967 and 1976, many of the music industry's most politically active talents died:
... among them Mama Cass Elliott, folk singers Richard Farina, Phil Ochs and Tim Buckley, Jim and Pamela Morrison, Gram Parsons, Otis Redding, songwriter Jimmy Reed, Clarence White of the Byrds, Janis Joplin, the Grateful Dead's "Pig Pen," Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jeffrey (Hendrix's manager), Keith Moon, others.
Since, the deaths of John Lennon and Bob Marley were succeeded by books u]xploring the possible involvement of the CIA.[/u]
Operation Chaos (forthcoming), will examine evidence of complicity by the intelligence "services" - recruiters of morally-erosive holdouts of fascist regimes and Mafia stinkbugs - in the deaths of over a dozen musicians associated with the "New Left," among them:
Brian Jones: The coroner's report concluded, "death by misadventure" on July 2, 1969. the Rolling Stone complained that police planted marijuana on him, and he compared his handling by the law to the hounding of Lenny Bruce, recalling the tactics detailed in the 1976 Congressional Intelligence Committee report.
Two books published in 1994, Paint It Black by Geoffrey Guiliano and Terry Rawlings' Who Killed Christopher Robin?, concluded that Jones had been murdered. England's Independent reported on April 4, 1994, "Murder Claims Raise Doubts Over Rolling Stone's Death." The 27-year-old guitarist may have been "deliberately drowned in the swimming pool of his country mansion by one of his aides, Frank Thorogood." The books cited above are in agreement that before Jones drowned, Thorogood conned the musician out of thousands of pounds. Was Thorogood a contract killer?
Keith Richards: "Some very weird things happened the night Brian died. We had these chauffeurs working for us, and we tried to find out. Some of them had a weird hold over Brian. I got straight into it and wanted to know who was there and couldn't find out. The only cat I could ask was the one I think who got rid of everybody, and did a whole disappearing thing so that when the cops arrived, it was just an accident."
Phil Ochs:
Wrote songs condemning war.
In 1974 he sang at Madison Square Garden with Bob Dylan, the occasion: "An Evening with Salvadore Allendé." The death of Phil Ochs was determined to be "death by hanging" in April, 1976. Two years before, he'd had a bout of depression and bizarre behavior that left him with a multiple personality, a psychological state much explored by the CIA's mind control community.
Richard Farina: Married Mimi Baez, sister of Joan Baez - to the national security state born.
Joan Baez wrote in her autobiography, And a Voice to Sing With (Signet, 1987), that when she was a young girl, "most of the bright young Stanford scientists went off to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where the atomic bomb was being developed. My father recognized the potential destructive power of the unleashed atom even in those early days. So he took a job as a research physicist at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York." Cornell was the home base of the CIA's mind control experiments, and Joan Baez is a self-described survivor of ritual child abuse, which employs a form of mind control, trauma-based programming, a technique perfected by the CIA.
"Soon my father was invited to become Head of Operations Research at Cornell. Exactly what the job entailed was classified information, but he was offered a three-week cruise on an aircraft carrier as an introduction to the project and promised a huge salary.
As it turned out, he would be overseeing Project Portrex, a vast amphibious exercise which among other things involved testing fighter jets, then a relatively new phenomenon. Millions of dollars would be poured into the project, about which he was to know little and say less." Farina, who had married into a CIA family, was killed in a motorcycle crash. According to the sleeve of his last record, "Goldwater was about to win the California primary and the skies were somewhat uneasy."
Jimi Hendrix:
From the Sunday Telegraph, December 12, 1993: "The former girlfriend, Kathy Etchingham, of Jimi Hendrix, the rock guitarist, spoke for the first time yesterday about how she has succeeded in reopening the investigation into his drug-related death 23 years ago....A 34-page dossier she sent to Sir Nicholas Lyell, the attorney-general, has prompted Scotland Yard to reopen the case and may lead to a new inquest. In it she pointed to alleged inconsistencies in statements given by Monika Dannemann, a German blonde who was Hendrix's girlfriend at the time of his death.... The police will examine whether there was any delay in calling an ambulance for Hendrix....
Mama Cass Elliott:
Count in her entourage at the time of her death one Bill Mentzer, since convicted for the murder of fledgling Hollywood producer Roy Radin. Mentzer was convicted with an accomplice, Alex Marti, former leader of an Argentine death squad, to life in prison. Cass had recently finished two weeks at the London Palladium. The coroner's report was not conclusive. She "probably choked to death," but there was "a possibility of heart attack."
Bob Marley:
After the last performance of Bob Marley and the Wailers in America, at Madison Square Garden, Marley took seriously ill. Three years before, in London, the singer had injured a toe in a football match. The toe was found to be cancerous, and Marley was treated in Miami, Florida with no success. By 1980, the growth had infected his entire body. He struggled with the disease for eight months at the clinic of Dr. Joseph Issels in Bavaria. Dr. Issels' brand of alternative medicine was non-toxic. For a brief time Bob's condition appeared to stabilize. Eventually, however, the battle proved too much. He died in a Miami hospital on Monday May 11, 1981. Excerpt of an interview with Lew Lee, a documentary filmmaker (the Oscar-winning Panama Deception and All Power to the People, an examination of the FBI's COINTELPRO excesses), conducted on October 30, 1997.
LEE: People came by his house. There were always people going in and out. Someone gave Bob a pair of boots. He put his foot in and said "Ow!" A friend got in there - you know how Jamaicans are. He said,"let's get in here" - in the boot, and he pulled a piece of copper wire out. It was embedded in the boot.
A.C.: Do you believe it was radioactive?
LEE: I didn't think so at the time, but I've always had my suspicions because Marley later broke his toe playing soccer, and when the bone wouldn't mend, the doctors found that the toe had cancer.
The cancer metastasized throughout his body, and he [Marley] believed he could fight this thing. He wanted to do anything but to turn to Western medicine. This may have been a mistake, maybe not.
So they appointed for Bob - Chris Blackwell, I guess, and a couple of other people - they found this doctor is Switzerland, Dr. Issels, who said that he could cure Bob. And they cut Bob's dreadlocks off. And he was getting all of this crazy, crazy medical treatment in Switzerland.
I know this because Ray Von Evans, who played in Marley's grounp, we were very close friends. As Bob was receiveing these medical treatments, Ray would come by every two or three months - 1979-80 - and told me, "Yeah, mon,They're killing Bob. They are KILLING Bob." I said, "What do you mean 'they are killing Bob?'" "No, no, mon," he said. "Dis Dr. Issels, he's a Nazi!" We found out later that Dr. Issels WAS a Nazi doctor. And he had worked with Dr. [Joseph] Mengele.
Mengele survived the war and enjoyed the protection and employment of the CIA. On five occasions his death has been reported. Attempts to bring the facts to light have been subverted by employees of the Agency.
John Lennon:
British barrister Fenton Bresler has long maintained that the Beatle's murder was the result of CIA mind control programming.
In Who Killed John Lennon? (1989), Bresler observed: "What really got the FBI and CIA so geared up about Lennon was [his plan] for a 'revolutionary road show,' starring Lennon and Yoko. This combination of rock music and radical politics was to barnstorm its way across America." Did a programmed killer abort the said barnstorm? The FBI has long resisted all efforts by Jon Weiner, a professor at the university of California, Irvine, to lay hands on Lennon's file, which remains top secret. Why?
The mystery of Lennon's death - and unresolved circumstances in a score of others (the theft and burning of Byrd guitarist Clarence White's corpse by a Manson Family member, for one) - could well be dispelled by access to sealed files. The National Security Act of 1947, the CIA charter, does not grant national security thugs a license to kill."
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Most interesting and food for thought....no?
Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you
Just A Patsy
So sorry to keep you waiting, Alpha! I was reading your Aquarian Conspiracy posts yesterday when my work pager began beeping incessantly -- everyone seemingly wanted a piece of Cat and ~zip~ there went my day!
Actually, those posts are quite in line with things I know about manipulative music in the sixties. What could have been better for the Great Conspiracy which, at that time, was beginning to gather momentum and move along at a fantastic clip, than a generation of drugged-up youth? If they're looking at nifty psychedelic light shows within their own heads, the Illuminati surely figured, they'll not be paying attention to what we're doing! If some should catch a glimpse of the Conspiracy in action and try to tell the world, what they saw will be easily blamed on hallucination and drug-induced paranoia! Agents were quickly put into action with an assignment to "turn on" the leading lights of rock & roll. These odd figures you read about from time to time in biographies of sixties rockers, oddball characters that entered the realm of rockstars with pockets full of chemicals and appelations like "Magic Alex", many times were young scions of old-money families owning multinatonal corporations. People like this are credited in biographies of bands like the Beatles and the Stones for "turning them on" and "giving them psychedelic inspiration". AGENTS!
The Beatles recorded for EMI Parlophone. Follow some money and you'll see who really owns EMI; Rothschilds. Subliminals were handily slipped into the masters. When first digitally remastering some Beatles things in the eighties, a lot of this came to light.
More later... this is just the tip o' the berg.
I promise more posts today. Right now I must attend to work but I'l leave you with this tantalizing nugget: Jim Morrisson was a gov't operative.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
--G.B. Shaw
Just A Patsy
During the Kennedy administration there were a number of Conspiracy think-tanks convened; these were stocked with well-regarded experts hand picked by committees of CFR/Royal Institute/Jason Society members. One of the questions pondered was thus: "What to do with the large number of lower -and -middle class young people who in days gone by would have been kept busy by being drafted for wars?". The baby boomers were growing up and a large number of idealistic youth from the "angry classes" was a somewhat threatening prospect to the Conspiracy At Large. Some of the solutions offered were to create new religions to appeal to them, to keep them drugged and placid (which would also help put the foundering drug trade, the source of many family fortunes within Illuminati circles, back on an upward track) and to create divisiveness and strife between the youth and their parents generation.
Jim Morrison was one of the better prospects the Conspiracy Street Team found. An intense, angry and handsome poet and film student, Jim Morrison would serve their interests well -- and hopefully never even know that the "revolution" he was preaching and his success were invented and created by the World Conspiracy.
Cooling his heels in Southern California, writing poetry on the beaches and performing it in coffeeshops, Morrison was approached by a coterie of local industry-types and groupies, given lots of LSD, peyote, mescaline, heroin and taught Dionysian philosophy mixed with Native American Shamanism. He was introduced to the rest of the Doors, who were already playing together under a different name, by his mysterious new "friends" and was coached by the biggest of the big behind -the -scenes industry talent-makers to become an intense performer. They were named the Doors in honor of Aldous Huxley's book.
Morrison preached exactly what the think-tank had decided the youth needed; hate your parents ("...father? Yes, son? I want to kill you/mother? I want to...OOOOOAAAAAGGHHHHHFFFFFFFIIIIAAAAYYYYAAAYYY!!! !...") and everything they stand for (he very publicly legally disowned his parents and the kids who worshipped Jim were definitely watching), take lots of drugs in a hedonistic, Dionysian way and lose yourself in a beat-induced trance to find enlightenment.
The Doors made some great music. I very much enjoy some of it. Some of it is inspired and timeless. Some of it sounds very dated now... and those particular tracks were done with a specific intent: To shape the minds of the young people of their day. And there's no doubt that they did. They were definitely pied pipers. Some music certainly came from that "higher" plane and some was merely the product of being "high". The band themselves were likely operating under the impression that the psychedelic, flowery revolution was something whose time had simply come; they probably didn't know that it originated in secret boardrooms and was bankrolled by international banking systems including our own Federal Reserve System. By the time of the Doors forming, the Aquarian Conspiracy had gathered enough momentum to fully appear a societal phenomenon of its own.
Kids looked at Morrison and wanted some of what he was on -- he was, by appearances, so enlightened by hedonistically sating his appetites for whatever it was he wanted - true Dionysianism - that they were fully prepared to follow him anywhere ("...would you die for me?..." was a part of his stage rap and kids DID reply in the affirmative to it!). Probably a lot of his biggest fans didn't listen to his music - the Illuminati had to have looked on happily as the youth of the sixties gobbled up Doors product, hanging on Jim's every word and aping his indulgences.
Morrison may have eventually gotten wise to they way he was being used. Many accounts have him making a decision to quit rock & roll just before being found dead... but it's a mystery we'll likely never solve.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
--G.B. Shaw
Firebird
Very interesting Nightcat and worth the wait. Of course as plausible as that scenario is we don't really know 100% of its accuracy no offense intended. I had thought that if Morrison had wanted to fake his death that Paris was the place to do it. In fact if it was the only choice he had if he wanted to live (based on your post) then that was the time and place, and the actual circumstances surrounding his death such as the waiting before public announcement makes sense. The possibility that the wait was due to Pamela not wanting to be jailed in France if he overdosed on heroin was possible..but also makes convenient sense for those who would question it.
He was tired of the limelight anyway and if it was an actual faked death way of staying alive approved by the PTB then it all makes sense. It would seem that one of these days some famous person who died untimely should be proven to be still alive...the odds are someone did fake their death..whether it was Jim Morrison or Elvis or anyone else who knows. The possibility that they are actually dead..or even died after faking their "original" death as well as classified aspects whether PTB OWG or not mean it is very unlikely anyone would ever be revealed but who knows..anything is possible.
Heck even JFK Jr. may have faked his death. The public never saw the bodies...if you really think of it..now I'm of the opinion he's dead..and I digress..the point just that without jeopardizing your own life it is pretty unlikely one will ever know the truth.
Firebird
Yes shecoda, this is a part of what I am saying. I think all aspects of sound should be included under music, although music can be the main focus, both nightcat and alpha have contributed excellent material to inaugurate the discussion.Originally Posted by shecoda
Politicians practice their ability to speak with varying intonation and beat. When a politician is entering say a convention to give a speech..like a presidential candidate would..the music used leading into his arrival at the podium reminds me of a prize fighter winding his way in for a title defense even though the music at the convention is patriotic in nature versus that used in boxing.
Some music I have heard in cars where the music is extremely loud is nothing but beat...it has no words and I have surmised was created just for that activity. What else may be a part of this music or what all can be achieved with the speaking voice alone I'm not sure, but I consider worthy of learning and salient to the conversation here.
Great post, nightcat.
Yes, Jim Morrison was indeed an interesting 'persona'.
I was never one of his greatest fans, although like you, I really did like some of the tunes.
A perfect musical forumula IMHO....almost hypnotic and seductive.....the hero a handsome "bad boy".
Interesting that only 2 people ever viewed Morrison's corpse....his wife and a Dr named Vasille....no autopsy was performed and his 'grave remained unmarked for quite some time.
As with Elvis, many claim Morrison sightings in the US after his alleged 'death'.
Seems even Morrison's best friend seemed to beleive that Morrison may have infact faked his own death.
Here's what I think is a really good article about the life and death of Jim Morrison.
Actually, Val Kilmer did a great job in the movie " The Doors IMHO. Although many argue the actual acuracy of the absolute facts in this movie, I think Kilmer did a wonderful portrayl of the unraveling of a superstar....the unraveling of programming??
The Serpent within the Man
Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you
Just A Patsy
Back from my last l'il chunk o' holiday vacation time... and, once I get some work-type crap under control here, I'll dig up some notes and post some more. I've got notes -- somewhere! -- for an article I never got around to writing; it's about how the PTB shut down truly revolutionary rock bands by buying them out and turning them into corporate crapola or, if they don't sell, starving them out or planting agents provocateurs in their midsts. And I've got some other stuff, too! Watch this space....
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
--G.B. Shaw
Nightcat....Welcome back and Happy New Year!!!....I was wondering where you were.
Very much looking forward to your next installment....been really busy myself and behind in posting.
Great to see you.
Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you
Just A Patsy
Right back at'cha, Alpha!
It's nice to be back and to see you!
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
--G.B. Shaw
Elemental
Welcome Back NightCat.I'm enjoying this thread immensley.
"Corporate crapola" How true, How true!!!
Jimi Hendrix was at the top of his career when he died in 1970.
Jimi had always been intested in music, especially R & B. After being discharged on medical grounds from the 101st Airborne Division, he toured the US, playing lead guitar for R & B groups under the name of Jimmy James.
Chas Chandler, of the Animals saw Jimi play in Grenwich Village one night in 1996 and was so impressed, he convinced Jimi to move to England to springboard his career.
This is where the Jimi Henrix Experience was born.
in 1966 and 1967, the MJ Experience toured extensively in Europe and laid their claim to fame in the US via the Monterey Pop Festival ( Jimi performed there as a direct result from a request from Paul McCartney)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience broke up in 1969....why is not really clear.
There are quotes that Jimi claimed it was because of a need for the individual members to grow and explore individually. Others say added pressure may hav come from Black Power groups that felt Jimi had sold out his ethnic black roots by playing with white musicians, and cashing in as a result. Likely his drug use was a major contributory factor.
On the evening of September 17, 1970, Jimi attended a party at a London flat and was picked up by his girlfriend Monika Dannemann. She claims that Jimi showed her a handful of pills given to him by friends at the party but threw them out as they drove back to their flat, Jimi telling her he had not taken anything at the party. The pair arrived home at 3:00am and talked until 7:00am when Dannemann fell asleep. At approximately 11:00am, she awoke and noticed Jimi had been sick in his sleep and tried to wake him without success. She saw that Jimi was still breathing and noticed empty sleeping pill packages on the floor. An ambulance was called and arrived at the flat at 11:27am. The attendants told Dannemann that Jimi was just in a deep sleep and that he would be alright before taking him to the hospital.
What happened while at the hospital remains unclear.
Whatever the case, Jimi entered the St. Mary Abbot Hospital alive and breathing, then shockingly at 12:45pm, he was pronounced dead.
The autopsy showed Jimi's system contained nine sleeping tablets of Vesparax, small traces of another barbiturate Seconal, and twenty milligrams of amphetamine.
Contrary to some popular stories that have evolved since Jimi's death, no needle marks or other signs of hard drugs were found.
A leading forensic scientist said at the time that the dose of sleeping pills was too low to be fatal in itself.
The official cause of death rendered was "inhalation of vomit due to barbiturate intoxication".
Again, conspiracy theories abound. Both Noel Redding and Monika Dannemann believe in the "slight possibility" that Hendrix was murdered and both state some interesting arguments and facts to back up these theories in their respective books.
Suicide did not seem to be an option for Jimi due to his spirituality. In fact, Hendrix and Dannemann discussed suicide the morning of his death and Jimi relayed his beliefs that suicide causes the soul to never rest (Jimi did have access to over 40 sleeping tablets at the flat, so if he wanted to commit suicide . . .).
As Redding says in his book, "Jimi died from choking on his vomit and that in itself should have been a preventable cause of death".
Interestingly enough, in 1991 both Eric Burdon (who Dannemann called before calling the ambulance the morning of September 18, 1970), and Mitch Mitchell called on Scotland Yard to reopen the investigation into Jimi's death.
In 1993, England's Attorney-General agreed and investigated before announcing that it "found no evidence to pursue the case further".
Guess we'll never really know whether Jimi's death was just what is said ( doubt it), a result of a delay in getting an ambulance on time, or something more deep and sinister.
Maybe Jimi wasn't doing what he was programmed to do, when the Experience broke up.....seems the human spirit is strong and MKUltra style mind control is not 100% workable with those of strong spirit and intelligence.
Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you
Great thread.Hope to hear more on this.
CB
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