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    Spontaneous Combustion - Human & Other Combustion Phenomenon

    This topic has always both amazed and freaked me out. This would be an interesting segment to cover on Coast.

    What do you think causes this or is this really what it is?????

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    Spontaneous Human Combustion


    Spontaneous human combustion (SHC) is the alleged burning of a person's body without a readily apparent, identifiable external source of ignition. The combustion may result in simple burns and blisters to the skin, smoking, or a complete incineration of the body. The latter is the form most often 'recognized' as SHC.



    There is much speculation and controversy over SHC.

    It is not a proven natural occurrence, but many theories have attempted to explain SHC's existence and how it may occur.


    The two most common explanations offered to account for apparent SHC are the non-spontaneous "wick effect" fire, and the rare discharge called static flash fires. Although mathematically it can be shown that the human body contains enough energy stored in the form of fat and other tissues to consume it completely, in normal circumstances bodies will not sustain a flame on their own.

    History of Spontaneous Human Combustion

    Many people believe that Spontaneous Human Combustion was first documented in such early texts as the Bible, but, scientifically speaking, these accounts are too old and secondhand to be seen as reliable evidence.

    Over the past 300 years, there have been more than 200 reports of persons burning to a crisp for no apparent reason.

    The first reliable historic evidence of Spontaneous Human Combustion appears to be from the year 1673, when Frenchman Jonas Dupont published a collection of Spontaneous Human Combustion cases and studies entitled De Incendiis Corporis Humani Spontaneis.

    Dupont was inspired to write this book after encountering records of the Nicole Millet case, in which a man was acquitted of the murder of his wife when the court was convinced that she had been killed by spontaneous combustion. Millet, a hard-drinking Parisian was found reduced to ashes in his straw bed, leaving just his skull and finger bones. The straw matting was only lightly damaged. Dupont's book on this strange subject brought it out of the realm of folkloric rumor and into the popular public imagination.

    On April 9, 1744, Grace Pett, 60, an alcoholic residing in Ipswich England, was found on the floor by her daughter like "a log of wood consumed by a fire, without apparent flame." Nearby clothing was undamaged.

    In the 1800's is evidenced in the number of writers that called on it for a dramatic death scene. Most of these authors were hacks that worked on the 19th century equivalent of comic books, "penny dreadfuls", so no one got too worked up about it; but two big names in the literary world also used SHC as a dramatic device, and one did cause a stir.

    The first of these two authors was Captain Marryat who, in his novel Jacob Faithful, borrowed details from a report in the Times of London of 1832 to describe the death of his lead character's mother, who is reduced to "a sort of unctuous pitchey cinder."

    Twenty years later, in 1852, Charles Dickens used Spontaneous Human Combustion to kill off a character named Krook in his novel Bleak House. Krook was a heavy alcoholic, true to the popular belief at the time that SHC was caused by excessive drinking.

    The novel caused a minor uproar; George Henry Lewes, philosopher and critic, declared that SHC was impossible, and derided Dickens' work as perpetuating a uneducated superstition. Dickens responded to this statement in the preface of the 2nd edition of his work, making it quite clear that he had researched the subject and knew of about thirty cases of SHC. The details of Krook's death in Bleak House were directly modeled on the details of the death of the Countess Cornelia de Bandi Cesenate by this extraordinary means; the only other case that Dickens actually cites details from is the Nicole Millet account that inspired Dupont's book about 100 years earlier.


    In 1951the Mary Reeser case recaptured the public interest in Spontaneous Human Combustion. Mrs. Reeser, 67, was found in her apartment on the morning of July 2, 1951, reduced to a pile of ashes, a skull, and a completely undamaged left foot. This event has become the foundation for many a book on the subject of SHC since, the most notable being Michael Harrison's Fire From Heaven, printed in 1976. Fire From Heaven has become the standard reference work on Spontaneous Human Combustion.

    On May 18, 1957, Anna Martin, 68, of West Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, was found incinerated, leaving only her shoes and a portion of her torso. The medical examiner estimated that temperatures must have reached 1,700 to 2,000 degrees, yet newspapers two feet away were found intact.

    On December 5, 1966, the ashes of Dr. J. Irving Bentley, 92, of Coudersport, Pennsylvania, were discovered by a meter reader. Dr. Bentley's body apparently ignited while he was in the bathroom and burned a 2-1/2-by-3-foot hole through the flooring, with only a portion of one leg remaining intact. Nearby paint was unscorched.

    Perhaps the most famous case occurred in St. Petersburg, Florida. Mary Hardy Reeser, a 67-year-old widow, spontaneously combusted while sitting in her easy chair on July 1, 1951. The next morning, her next door neighbor tried the doorknob, found it hot to the touch and went for help. She returned to find Mrs. Reeser, or what was left of her, in a blackened circle four feet in diameter.

    All that remained of the 175-pound woman and her chair was a few blackened seat springs, a section of her backbone, a shrunken skull the size of a baseball, and one foot encased in a black stain slipper just beyond the four-foot circle. Plus about 10 pounds of ashes.

    The police report declared that Mrs. Reeser went up in smoke when her highly flammable rayon-acetate nightgown caught fire, perhaps because of a dropped cigarette.

    But one medical examiner stated that the 3,000-degree heat required to destroy the body should have destroyed the apartment as well. In fact, damage was minimal - the ceiling and upper walls were covered with soot. No chemical accelerants, incidentally, were found.

    In 1944 Peter Jones, survived this experience and reported that there was no sensation of heat nor sighting of flames. He just saw smoke. He stated that he felt no pain.

    Theories about Spontaneous Human Combustion



    - Alchoholism - many Spontaneous Human Combustion vicitms have been alcoholics. But experiments in the 19th century demonstrated that flesh impregnated with alcohol will not burn with the intense heat associated with Spontaneous Human Combustion.

    - Deposits of flammable body fat - Many victims have been overweight - yet others have been skinny.

    - Divine Intervention - Centuries ago people felt that the explosion was a sign from God of devine punishment.

    - Build-up of static electricity - no known form of electrostatic discharge could cause a human to burst into flames.

    - An explosive combination of chemicals can form in the digestive system - due to poor diet.

    - Electrical fields that exist within the human body might be capable of 'short circuiting' somehow, that some sort of atomic chain reaction could generate tremendous internal heat.

    No satisfactory explanation of Spontaneous Human Combustion has ever been given. It is still an unsolved mystery.




    What Remains After a Spontaneous Human Combustion Event


    - The body is normally more severely burned than one that has been caught in a normal fire.

    - The burns are not distributed evenly over the body; the extremities are usually untouched by fire, whereas the torso usually suffers severe burning.

    - In some cases the torso is completely destroyed, the bones being reduced completely to ash.

    - Small portions of the body (an arm, a foot, maybe the head) remain unburned.

    - Only objects immediately associated with the body have burned; the fire never spread away from the body. SHC victims have burnt up in bed without the sheets catching fire, clothing worn is often barely singed, and flammable materials only inches away remain untouched.

    - A greasy soot deposit covers the ceiling and walls, usually stopping three to four feet above the floor.

    - Objects above this three to four foot line show signs of heat damage (melted candles, cracked mirrors, etc.)

    - Although temperatures of about 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit are normally required to char a body so thoroughly (crematoria, which usually operate in the neighborhood of 2,000 degrees, leave bone fragments which must be ground up by hand), frequently little or nothing around the victim is damaged, except perhaps the exact spot where the deceased ignited.

    Types of Spontaneous Human Combustion


    Some events of Spontaneous Human Combustion are witnessed but some are not.

    All reported cases have occurred indoors.

    The victims were always alone for a long period of time.

    Witnesses who were nearby (in adjacent rooms) report never hearing any sounds, such as cries of pain or calls for assistance.

    In the witnessed combustions - people are actually seen by witnesses to explode into flame; most commonly. Here the witnesses agree that there was no possible source of ignition and/or that the flames were seen to erupt directly from the victim's skin. Unfortunately, most of the known cases of this type are poorly documented and basically unconfirmed. Sometimes there are no flames seen by the witness.

    Non-fatal cases - Unfortunately, the victims of these events generally have no better idea of what happened to them than do the investigators; but the advantage to this grouping is that a survivor can confirm if an event had a simple explaination or not. Thus, there are far fewer cases of Spontaneous Human Combustion with survivors that can be explained away by skeptics without a second look.

    Sometimes victims develop burns on their bodies that have no known external cause. These strange wounds commonly start as small discomforts that slowly grow into large, painful marks.

    Sometimes the victim will exhibit a mysterious smoke from the body. In these odd and rare occurences smoke is seen to emanate from a person, with no associated fire or source of smoke other than the person's body.

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    My thoughts on Spontaneous Combustion(SC). It is my personal belief that SC is caused by a

    spitrtual concept called Kundalini. Kundalini is is an unseen energy/force that spirals out

    of the Root Chakra in the genital area up the spine while opening more chakra's and

    eventually opening up the Crown Chakra on the very top of the head. When these chakra's are

    all fully opened it is said you have achieved enlightenment, to do so is usually through

    meditation. However you must be prepared and spiritually ready for this experience otherwise

    it can be disasterous physically and mentally, many have been disabled mentally and

    physically and even perished if not truly ready. In some cases it has happened to those who

    never knew about such a concept and had no idea what had happened to them. About 15 years

    ago I had a lady friend I had went with for 20 years who died from Cancer, it tore me up

    badly, we were going to retire in a couple years and now my life was turned up side down

    with no plans or ideas of what to do with the rest of my life. I started reading up on

    Channeling thinking I could somehow make contact with her wherever she was at, read many

    books on meditation and other subjects, even had a Kirlian photo taken which was interpreted

    that I was open to channel but couldn't because I was a smoker, less oxygen to the brain is

    what I figured. One night just before falling asleep and doing some

    affirmations/visualizations I felt this electrical surge in the bottom of my feet and

    snapped up in bed and it stopped, scary moment there. A week or so later I started feeling

    this crawling sensation coming down from the top of my head and around my nose with the

    addition of feeling a band around my head much like wearing a headband, I still feel this

    today, if it's not there all I have to do is think about it and it's suddenly present. About

    a month later, and this is where it gets good, I was meditating on the sofa for about an

    hour, got up and headed to the bathroom, all of a sudden I felt my legs begin to heat up,

    they kept getting hotter to the point they felt like I was standing in fire, no feeling like

    this above the crotch, just my legs. I had thoughts running through my head like calling EMS

    but I could barely move it was so painful. The shower was two steps away and I had all I

    could do to get my pants halfway down my thighs and couldn't do anymore than that, I

    couldn't even walk, my thighs looked normal, no redness, they didn't even feel hot when I

    touched them with my hands but my legs felt like they were on fire. So here I'am standing,

    holding myself steady with one hand on thre bathroom countertop trying to get this figured

    out. Slowly the fire like pain subsided, the whole experience lasted about one minute. There

    were no burns on my legs, no smoke and looked perfectly normal and never had a clue as to

    what this was all about. About six months later I was at a book store and stumbled on a book

    with the phrase "Kundalini Fire" on the cover and finally got all this figured out. For

    about a year after this experience I could feel my legs heat up at times whan relaxing but

    never to the point of a burning sensation, I stopped meditating and haven't felt it since. I

    felt what I did was unknowingly induce this experience and wasn't ready for it, one way into

    this experience for me was my ego was destroyed from the death of my friend and this is what

    helped open the door. The reason the fire was only in my legs and not the torso like in so

    many cases of SC is according to some adepts or mystics is I have a blockage in the lower

    Chakra that funneled that energy in the opposite direction it was supposed to go. It's

    strange that the only reminents of Kundalini I have are felt in my head, I can even feel the

    presense of the Crown Charka at times, it feels like a heavy coin resting on the top of my

    head. One day I may see a spiritual adept or guru and get more definative answers on all

    this. In summation I firmly believe this Kundalini Fire if not handled properly will consume

    the body. There are according to adepts four types of fire, one of which they claim you can

    put your hand into and it will not burn, go figure. Some adepts say The Kundalini Fire is

    the expulsion of toxins from your cells and is a prerequisite for a purified state of

    enlightenment. I had one person tell me that you can consult a Neurologist on this

    experience and he will in most cases if he is experienced send you to a Spiritulist. Didn't

    intend to write a book here, just wanted to provide some background and eliminate some

    questions:-)

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    A very interesting explanation Boomer. I have heard many times of the danger of the Kundalini Energy going wrong when not prepared for it both physically and spiritually.

    I had never thought of that explanation. Thanks for giving me something else to try and figure out.

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    Wow, Boomer, that is a fascinating story!

    How frightened you must have been, particularly in the midst of so much grief. I am glad you were able to pull back or re-direct it and not be open to any damage it might have caused...

    Good to see you here

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    I'm kinda wondering at what temperature I'm going to erupt into spontaneous human compustion. The Enquirer headlines will read, "Pre-Menopausal Woman Bursts Into Flames Due To Raging Hot Flashes!"

    Seriously, that topic has always interested me, too. I've seen the pictures before and I wonder how that happens. Sometimes I feel like hot flashes are like being microwaved. Cooked from the inside out. It's amazing just how hot one gets.

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    Oh boy, I can relate. When those things first started happening to me, I genuinely thought that this was how internal human combustion got its start. First couple of times the internal, infernal, hot thing occurred, I was actually quite nervous and thinking that I would burst into flames.

    Funny how we don't hear about it anymore. All the pictures and stories are old. Wonder if it's still happening to people?

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    Spontaneous human combustion remains a rare phenomenon, and even among those most prone to adopt occult interpretations, few have followed that lead. Several forteans have suggested that like the Bermuda Triangle, it may be a constructed problem that brings together cases that are only superficially related. Most have accepted the more telling incidents as unexplained, but view it as a natural mystery whose solving has been delayed due to the paucity of cases, the high level of diversity among cases studied, and the limitations imposed on experimenting on human subjects.

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    Well now we have plants producing similar phenomenon....scientific explanation or ??

    Spontaneous Combustion - Dead plant starts fire at Arkansas home


    Jonesboro - A decomposing plant, combined with soil and a plastic flower pot, created enough heat to start a fire at a home in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

    Fire investigators said spontaneous combustion was the cause of the fire, which resulted in about $20,000 in damage to the house. "It looked to me like someone had come up on my front porch and started a fire," said home owner Brian Duncan, in a KAIT8 interview. .....

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    this is one of my favorite mysterious topics...it happens but how?...altho i am so steamed up over todays events i coould explode....its some how not mysterious giving the range of emotions i am generating...glad im single...the cat is hiding...she knows not to spend hre regular 10 minutes trying to use her cat like vibrations to open the front door...you know MEEEOOOOWWWWWWW........lemee lemeee lemeee oooout

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrite View Post
    this is one of my favorite mysterious topics...it happens but how?...altho i am so steamed up over todays events i coould explode....its some how not mysterious giving the range of emotions i am generating...glad im single...the cat is hiding...she knows not to spend hre regular 10 minutes trying to use her cat like vibrations to open the front door...you know MEEEOOOOWWWWWWW........lemee lemeee lemeee oooout
    Don't think anyone knows how, definitively.

    ....now don't even think about that...although I'm sure you're hot enough right now to "ignite"

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    Is this another case? ...it's a weird one....

    A Sign? Man Bursts Into Flames at San Francisco Sex Shop

    For seven years, Roger Huang, a pastor who runs a rescue mission in San Francisco's Tenderloin district, has been trying to shut down the sex shops there. This week he may have seen a sign that his efforts are working.

    On Wednesday, a man burst into flames while inside one of those porn shops, police said.


    Could this bizarre incident be attributed to a higher power?


    "I believe so. I definitely believe so," Huang told AOL News, adding that he hopes the unidentified man is recovering from the burns.


    The police aren't ruling anything out.


    "We don't know what caused it," Lt. Troy Dangerfield of the
    San Francisco Police Department told AOL News. "It's still under investigation."

    Witnesses
    reportedly saw the burning man running out of the Golden Gate Adult Superstore in the city's South of Market neighborhood at about 6:20 p.m. Wednesday. The man ran past stunned onlookers and collapsed at the corner of Mission and Sixth streets, police said..........

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    This just happened to a guy. I never really believed it until a doctor just confirmed it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15032614

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