Gut Feel - Premonition - Your Stories

[VOguy]

I'm pissed off at myself because I can't remember the guys name. It was Ray ((something)) and I just can't remember it. DAMN!

Anyway, I first saw a mention of it posted in a newsletter that this fellow in the St. Louis area that worked on precise frequency measurements noticed that prior to earthquakes there was a shift in frequency of standard broadcast stations. The example he gave was that just an hour prior to the earthquake they had on the fault line over Missouri, the frequency of KMOX-AM (1120) when from 1120000.2 to 1119999.6 hertz Another way of stating this was that their frequency shifted from 1120.0002 to 1119.9996 on the AM radio dial.

He also noted that this shift coincided with other stations as well, and his theory was that the crystal in the earth, when compressed, would cause a "beat" in the signal over the air.

For those of you that don't know, a radio basically consists of a receiver, or method to pick up a signal, that is beat against a 455 kHz intermediate frequency oscillator in the radio, and the result is detected and turned to sound. This is how you hear a station on an AM radio.

But since the oscillator is stable in the radio, and only the signal is altered by this quartz action, the result is the subtle shift in frequency.

For radio listeners you would not have any knowledge of it since .6 Hz is too small of a change. But when someone is measuring for scientific purposes, .6 Hz is a large shift. Most frequency bureaus measure to .0001 Hz quite accurately.

There was also some posting or alert he gave on January 17, 1994 at 3:45PM which was just prior to the Northridge earthquake that happened at 4:31PM, and as I recalled he reported that he witnessed a .72 Hz shift. After this event, I can't recall that anyone heard from him.

If I think of his name, I'll post it. I just can't remember it. Damn ol' age.

[Judee]

Fascinating, and I believe it 100% VO, as far as earthquakes go. Too bad that someone else hasn't picked up on the 'research'!

[maryals]

Like Viggo I am both scared and fascinated.


Mary and Bessie

[williamstade]

Wow, me too Maryals.

[Vigo]

Keep us posted VOguy. If you remember send me a PM. This makes complete sense to me.

One source shows sounds in the broad band range on the west coast.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/200...GL038903.shtml

I found another good source to look at called Earth Scope.
http://www.earthscope.org/

[Judee]

This isn't a 'gut feeling' of mine necessarily, but my peacocks are acting kind of strange. I sent this email to charlotte King this morning:

Charlotte,

Just to let you know. I woke up this morning about 7:30 AM, and before I'd even gotten out of bed, I 'felt' something strange. Upon arising and going out to feed the big dogs outdoors, I was startled to find that there was not one of my 30+ free ranging peacocks present. I use the word startling, as they are always around in the morning, as I throw out a special dog kibble for them, which they gobble voraciously! A large number of Blue Jays also are always here in the morning awaiting the feast of dog kibble, but they are conspicuously absent also! Strange to say the least. Last evening I had some powerful surges of dizziness also, and for four days, my heart has been in and out of normal rhythm.

Hopefully all the peacocks and their Stellar Jay buddies are just on down the road in the farmers field or something!

[earthist]

The example he gave was that just an hour prior to the earthquake they had on the fault line over Missouri, the frequency of KMOX-AM (1120) when from 1120000.2 to 1119999.6 hertz Another way of stating this was that their frequency shifted from 1120.0002 to 1119.9996 on the AM radio dial.

He also noted that this shift coincided with other stations as well, and his theory was that the crystal in the earth, when compressed, would cause a "beat" in the signal over the air.

This idea seems almost a no-brainer to me, VO. The problem, I would think, would be that other things might influence the environment at that minute a measurement, so it might be hard to say what's earthquake related and what's related to something else.

I'd be more than curious to know what you think of the possibility for something like HAARP to influence such readings; or more importantly, to induce a sympathetic vibe that could generate a quake?

In any case, I would doubt any of this could create appliance or lightbulb anomalies, or power surges in the grid; or am I assuming too much?

The whole thing is fascinating! Thanks to all for the discussion.

[Judee]

I'd be more than curious to know what you think of the possibility for something like HAARP to influence such readings; or more importantly, to induce a sympathetic vibe that could generate a quake?

Ah ha earthist! Now that is a darn good thought!!! We all know the government doesn't hide the fact that they're playing big time with that little toy!

[Hadriana]

anyone see mythbusters where they generate that tone and the bridge starts shaking?

Today is WEIRD.
Is it that novelty timewave thing?
I mean, how much more 'novel' can you get than
bombing the moon and obama winning a nobel peace prize?

[maryals]

All of this earthquake talk reminds me of the earthquake caused by Nicola Tesla, on Manhattan Island. This is not part of the Tesla mythos, you can find the facts on line or in any Tesla biography.
He was experimenting with resonance and had placed a wire on a pipe in his apartment in the Astor Hotel. The pipe led of course to the main pipes under ground. It was one of those accidents that can happen with experiments. The resonance frequency was just exactly right to set the earth resonating in that area and an earthquake occurred.
On a tangent I remain convinced that the bunker buster bombs used in Afghanistan set off the massive earthquakes that happened shortly after our initial invasion. Yes that is a seismically active area. So, the resonance set up by those deeply penetrating bombs would set things off.

Mary and Bessie

[VOguy]

This idea seems almost a no-brainer to me, VO. The problem, I would think, would be that other things might influence the environment at that minute a measurement, so it might be hard to say what's earthquake related and what's related to something else.

I'd be more than curious to know what you think of the possibility for something like HAARP to influence such readings; or more importantly, to induce a sympathetic vibe that could generate a quake?

In any case, I would doubt any of this could create appliance or lightbulb anomalies, or power surges in the grid; or am I assuming too much?

The whole thing is fascinating! Thanks to all for the discussion.

Eureka!!! It came to me as I turned on Cole Street this morning. Raymond Cole. And I found this message from a while back.

Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 0924 -0700 (PDT)
Craig wrote:
I remember some years back someone wrote that just before an earthquake there was some change noted on the radio dial, maybe a frequency difference? Anyone remember anything about that? I'm not saying I believe it, just that someone did write about it.

Indeed. That was Ray Cole out near St. Louis, who claimed to be able to detect small pre-quake shifts as a result of variances in quartz deposits or somesuch. At one point I had copies of a number of his papers on the subject but they're long tossed.

Russ

I talked to a guy who is an editor of one of the blind magazines, and he remembers Ray too. And added that Ray passed away a while back, and said that after he died many of his papers were "collected" by someone with no ties to the family or friends. Supposedly a close friend. Here is another post that appeared in DX Listening Digest #8-056, May 5, 2008. Although the poster 'Disses him, he comes back and supports the argument to the positive with a paper from the IEEE.

"SEISMIC FREQUENCY SHIFTS"

Glenn, I see in DXLD 8-055 USA: KERR that some DXers apparently still believe off-frequency operation of radio stations might be some sort of precursor to earthquakes.

Ray Cole was the target of a lot of ridicule from several people --- including me --- when he first advanced his idea that there was a correlation between off-frequency operation of MW stations and seismic activity. The reason for such ridicule was because, frankly, the idea was ridiculous and Ray seemed to be the only person, whether scientist or DXer, reporting such a correlation.

I have no idea whether Ray was innocently misinterpreting things or just making stuff up, but if his observations had been accurate he'd have a Nobel Prize in physics by now.

There is evidence, however, that the build-up of stresses deep within the Earth's crust might trigger bursts of low frequency RF energy, and this might be useful in earthquake prediction: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/feb07/4886

Harry

and another....

Public Seismic Network Mailing List (PSN-L)
Subject: Re:
From: bobshannon earth@...........
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 0807 -0800

There has been a lot of talk lately as concerns the SE US.... I am now just starting to pay attention although I knew the Madrid was a big deal I didn't figure it into my scheme. Ray Cole who lived on the Madrid, told me many stories that were passed on orally to him....Ray died in his mid-80's a few years ago...I wish I had more time to speak with him. Meanwhile ELFRAD has been posting some messages about this area...no warnings or such as this is not what they do...however..if activity continues to build in this area, I may add a few easy to use clickables to the alert site. We have many readers who live back east and this has been a major concern to them...I appreciate any and all input I can get on the Madrid System...

Bob
cc: Pinpoint

and one last one....

Public Seismic Network Mailing List (PSN-L)
From: Charles R. Patton <patton@..........>
Subject: Re: seismometer/gravimeter
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 1044 -0700

Roger, you wrote:

A magnet is adjustably mounted nearby so that it very nearly balances the weight of the free end and relatively heavy of the filament, greatly magnifying the force of gravity. The lens is actually the tip of the filament fused into a glass bead. This free end swings up and down past a light emitter and detector behind little slits in aluminum foil. Therefore only a few microns of vertical motion are easily registered with a circuit ....

I followed this and subsequent posts with great interest. I especially liked the micromanometer. I do have one comment about the above though. When Vince Migliore was publishing GeoMonitor, he had several contributions from Ray Cole and Ken Cornell concerning magnetic field strength detectors. This was in conjunction with experiments to monitor electromagnetic fields as possible pre-cursors to seismic activity. One of the last versions of a detector was a long arm, off-center, on an edge pivot whose weight was counter-balanced by opposed magnets. Ken added a coil/oscillator structure which, in addition to providing a method of position measurement, caused the arm to continually rock, eliminating the hysteresis problem. Several people built variations of this instrument and saw changes at different times. My point is that by using a magnetic field as a very good spring, you also open yourself up to measuring variations in the local geomagnetic field also as that would change the effective "rate" of the "spring". So did you magnetically shield or otherwise do some tricks to try to null or eliminate this potential source of error?

Charles R. Patton, Editor, Geo-Monitor

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What impresses me is that if he was such a nut, then why would anyone collect his papers? What use are they, or was he onto something. And from the posts above, I would say he was not a famous scientist, but he was onto something that should be explored some more.

Earthist, I don't think HAARP is a ground conducting system. I think it's more in tune with the atmosphere, and it's working on the principles of diathermy. The band of frequencies seems about right, and the effect of a very tight spot beam on a concentrated humid air mass could do several things.

If you have not had diathermy, Earthist (I have), they shoot RF energy into the skin at a low frequency. The result is similar to a microwave oven in that it heats the tissues, but does not cook like a microwave. Diathermy is traditionally 3-30 mHz while microwave ovens are 800-950 mHz. They use this in treating muscle problems as the result of injury. Mine was for knee cartilage after running my Volkswagen into a solid object at 55 mph and almost loosing my legs.

Sorry to be so verbose.....

[Judee]

anyone see mythbusters where they generate that tone and the bridge starts shaking?

Today is WEIRD.
Is it that novelty timewave thing?
I mean, how much more 'novel' can you get than
bombing the moon and obama winning a nobel peace prize?

It has been a weird day Had, that's for sure! I can't figure out the Obama peace prize thing at all!! And spending money bombing the moon, when this country is in a dire economic way doesn't make sense either.

The government/military is playing with more and more 'sound' weapons, and I think the consequences to the planet and all living things is going to be very dire.

[Judee]

All of this earthquake talk reminds me of the earthquake caused by Nicola Tesla, on Manhattan Island. This is not part of the Tesla mythos, you can find the facts on line or in any Tesla biography.
He was experimenting with resonance and had placed a wire on a pipe in his apartment in the Astor Hotel. The pipe led of course to the main pipes under ground. It was one of those accidents that can happen with experiments. The resonance frequency was just exactly right to set the earth resonating in that area and an earthquake occurred.
On a tangent I remain convinced that the bunker buster bombs used in Afghanistan set off the massive earthquakes that happened shortly after our initial invasion. Yes that is a seismically active area. So, the resonance set up by those deeply penetrating bombs would set things off.

Mary and Bessie

I wasn't aware of that Mary, Extremely interesting stuff, thanks! You're probably right on about the bunker bombs and earthquakes in Afghanistan. It just makes sense.