Universal Health Care - A Human Right or A Tiered or Privileged System? - US Health Care Bill

[Judee]

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You never know Dera. That horse could still jump back up!

[Mcnowhere]

Well, if anybody wants to carry on, then I say carry right on.

[VOguy]

You never know Dera. That horse could still jump back up!

The horse is just PLAYING dead.

[VOguy]

Speaking of health, is this of any surprise? How ironic this was in the second segment of the news tonight.


CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- The gender gap has widened when it comes to hygiene, according to the latest stakeout by the "hand washing police."

One-third of men didn't bother to wash after using the bathroom, compared with 12 percent of women, said the researchers who spy on people in public restrooms. They reported their latest findings Monday at a meeting of infectious disease scientists.

Two years ago, the last time the survey was done, only one-quarter of men didn't wash, compared with 10 percent of women.

"Guys need to step up to the sink," said Brian Sansoni, spokesman for the Soap and Detergent Association, which co-sponsors the survey and related education campaigns.

The latest study was based on observations last month of more than 6,000 people in four big cities.

Frequent hand washing is the single best thing people can do to avoid getting sick, from colds and the flu to germs lurking in food, doctors say. And a recent Harris Interactive survey found 92 percent of Americans said they usually or always wash up after using the bathroom.

But researchers for the American Society for Microbiology found that only 77 percent actually do, when it comes to public restrooms. That's a 6 percent decline from a similar study in 2005.

The dirty details:

• Atlanta's Turner Field baseball stadium again was the worst. Only 57 percent of guys there washed up, compared to 95 percent of women.
• New York was Second City to Chicago in cleanliness. In restrooms at the Windy City's Shedd Aquarium and Museum of Science and Industry, 81 percent of men and women combined washed their hands, compared to 79 percent at the Big Apple's Penn and Grand Central train stations.
• At San Francisco's Ferry Terminal Farmers Market, 62.5 percent of men lathered up. Women did better, with 84 percent.

Carry sanitizer gels and wipes in case the means to wash your hands aren't handy, suggested microbiologist Judy Daly of Primary Children's Medical Center in Salt Lake City, who led the project.

"These are a marvelous addition to plain soap and water," she said.

Telephone surveys by the research firm Harris Interactive show little shift in attitudes over previous polls in 2003 and 2005. The latest was of 1,001 adults from August 17-20.

Nearly three-fourths of Americans said they always wash up after changing a diaper, 78 percent said they do so after handling or eating food; 42 percent after petting a dog or cat, 25 percent after handling money, and 34 percent after coughing or sneezing.

[Judee]

I just think it's a bad idea trusting your health and medications to a system/organization that has a proven track record of screwing things up, no accountability, and has no vested interest in you personally. It's kind of like buying products from China. You take your chances.

But that's what we have right here in America, with our wonderful 'freedom-filled' system. Name me anyone or anything in the medical/health care system that has a 'vested interest' in anyone personally! It's all 'medicine by prescription pad'. If you have a symptom, the doctors have a pill to cover those symptoms. They're too busy pushing patients through the doors to give a rats-rinky about anyone on a personal level, never mind trying to find out what might be causing the symptoms. Oh sure, there are the odd exceptions to the rule, but they are a very small minority.

I strongly agree with you that each of us should be taking a hand in our own health and well being, and we should be seeking out alternatives where possible.

Okay horsey, you can lay back down for now.

[VOguy]

It's all 'medicine by prescription pad'. If you have a symptom, the doctors have a pill to cover those symptoms. They're too busy pushing patients through the doors to give a rats-rinky about anyone on a personal level, never mind trying to find out what might be causing the symptoms.

Which is why I changed my view a long time ago. I looked death in the eye twice, realizing that I could place myself in uncaring hands or take charge. I hear you, Judee. Had I trusted them, I would not be here. And their defense is solid under most state's laws. Neural Cardiac Syncope.

[Divinorumus]

(me again, sorry, but...) The price of freedom may seem high, maybe disproportional at times,, but I will not sell out my personal freedom for a politicians bribe offer of them managing my health as I'm forced to turn my life over as a ward of the government. If we cave in on this dependency, next will come their plan for public feeding troffs. My gawd, don't let THEM take over management of our own very lives like this. Down with socialism. The government has no right to regulate the management of my health for me, damn it! Hell no! I must insist! Freedom to live as I please and not part of someone else's intentions and desires.

[Alpha]

"Managing" one's health it totally different from getting care whether one can afford to or not IMO.

"Managing one's health is a personal responsibility we all have, individually and with medical recommendation, whether it is covered by medical insurance of any kind or paid for "out of pocket".

Just because any practitioner writes an RX or recommends a procedure, one does not have to accept or comply.

I think we're talking a bit or apples and oranges here IMO....

[Divinorumus]

I think we're talking a bit or apples and oranges here IMO....

The government should not be regulating our lives like that. That is not the purpose of government, to take care of us and our lives. The government should defend my freedom and coordinate shared infrastructure issues, such as roads and rail and airports, civil obedience, basic education, law enforcement, etc. Government should not be involved my personal life issues, and my health is one of those personal issues.

If some of you want to live like socialists, why don't you all get together and pool together your own lives into one big shared bucket of issues and leave the rest out of your meddling. I do not want government THAT involved in my life. Many don't, and we won't tolerate it!

[Judee]

(he government has no right to regulate the management of my health for me, damn it! Hell no! I must insist! Freedom to live as I please and not part of someone else's intentions and desires.

Look, no one says you or anyone else must participate in any national health care system! You obviously already live as you please. You do what you want, and give others a shot at a healthy life.

In this country, we all pay to give every kid an education. Why is that a right and life isn't? Isn't the gift of life as important as giving an education???

[Divinorumus]

Look, no one says you or anyone else must participate in any national health care system! You obviously already live as you please. You do what you want, and give others a shot at a healthy life.

You're not getting a little agitated over our right to live free, are you? And contrary to what you said, yes THEY ARE talking about mandatory participation in a national health care solution. Hilaryous Clintoon herself is now proposing a government mandated and subsidized health care solution for us all!

Hillary Clinton revives dream to bring healthcare to all (September 18, 2007)

I don't want her dream to become my mandated life. That fool best keep her nose out of our lives!

In this country, we all pay to give every kid an education. Why is that a right and life isn't? Isn't the gift of life as important as giving an education???

And after that, they are on their own! What more should one expect than an education and freedom? "Teach them what we were taught!" This is fine.

However, again, the government should not become the ward of our lives. If you let them mandate our heath care, they will move onto something else next tomorrow. Where does it stop? Should the government mandate and manage all our personal finances too? National social housing entitlement? National social food entitlement? National social pocket charge pooling entitlement?

No! Down with these damn bribes politicians use our money for to buy votes from voters looking for what the government can do for them. Damn corruption and manipulation of our very lives! Doom to them that want to turn me into their dream.

[Judee]

You're not getting a little agitated over our right to live free, are you? And contrary to what you said, yes THEY ARE talking about mandatory participation in a national health care solution. Hilaryous Clintoon herself is now proposing a government mandated and subsidized health care solution for us all!

Just to set you straight, I'm not talking about Hillary or her plan - okay? I'm talking about something entirely different. You wrongly assumed I support Hillary.

[Project]

The government should not be regulating our lives like that. That is not the purpose of government, to take care of us and our lives. The government should defend my freedom and coordinate shared infrastructure issues, such as roads and rail and airports, civil obedience, basic education, law enforcement, etc. Government should not be involved my personal life issues, and my health is one of those personal issues.

If some of you want to live like socialists, why don't you all get together and pool together your own lives into one big shared bucket of issues and leave the rest out of your meddling. I do not want government THAT involved in my life. Many don't, and we won't tolerate it!

...and you feel private corporations with no mandate except to make money for their shareholders is the right organization to provide health care? Corporations who cannot be voted away, or even swayed slightly in their rulings?