More CA fires

**Debunkinit** · 11-25-2007

I'm really getting tired of California making inane laws such as the one that led to the largest fire in recorded history. Now they want to sue the U.S. government (we the people) for pollution? Can we form a group that will sue California for the pollution created from a fire that either would not have happened or would not have been as large had underbrush been removed over the past twenty or so years? Perhaps the environmental destruction from that fiasco will only remain within the borders of California's state lines? Furthermore, how much will their inane law cost we the people directly to rebuild their million/s of dollar homes that burnt due to their own stupidity? Save a brush pile, lose a home. California, you made your bed, sleep in it!

**Captain Beyond** · 11-25-2007

I totally agree with you. I keep waiting for the big one to break it away from us and float it out into the pacific so we can disown the state.............Just kidding, but not by much!

**Dera** · 11-25-2007

I am listening to a Los Angeles news radio station. They are saying, at 6:20 a.m. PT, that they are very sure the current Malibu fire was started by humans and not nature. They haven't said yet whether it was by accident or arson.

**Captain Beyond** · 11-25-2007

Originally Posted by Dera

I am listening to a Los Angeles news radio station. They are saying, at 6:20 a.m. PT, that they are very sure the current Malibu fire was started by humans and not nature. They haven't said yet whether it was by accident or arson.

Probably true but the point is that it is illegal to cut down the underbrush that is so prevalent in these areas. I causes the fires to spread much more than they should.

If they want to save the scrubrush to save some toad or sloth, they have to accept the consequences. It's much the same as their rolling blackouts during high energy times. They have refused to build any new power plants for the environment's sake, thusly they have rolling blackouts. You Can't have it both ways.

**VOguy** · 11-25-2007

When I was out there for a short time, one of the questions asked was why did California allow this fuel to just lay around, waiting to be kindled.

The answer was, because even dead, the plants offer some reduction in soil erosion and stability in the shifting of the soil. (ie: landslides)

How do you address a situation like that where you are damned if you do, damned if you don't?

**Dera** · 11-25-2007

Originally Posted by VOguy

When I was out there for a short time, one of the questions asked was why did California allow this fuel to just lay around, waiting to be kindled.

The answer was, because even dead, the plants offer some reduction in soil erosion and stability in the shifting of the soil. (ie: landslides)

How do you address a situation like that where you are damned if you do, damned if you don't?

Oh yeah. I lived in the L.A. area most of my life. After the fires come the rains, mudslides and flooding, especially in Malibu. Those people WILL live there, no matter what.

I used to stay at a friend's beach house in Malibu. It was located right in the current fire area at Pacific Coast Hwy and Corral Canyon Rd. It was a three-story building. "We" had the 2nd floor, with a unit below and one above. In the middle of the living room floor of the lower level unit was a large rectangular glass box which they used as a coffee table. You could watch the waves rolling in under the house through the "table". I never felt just real secure there! Some "B" movie actor guy, whose name I can't remember, (HE thought he was really hot stuff) lived there.

**Captain Beyond** · 11-25-2007

Originally Posted by VOguy

When I was out there for a short time, one of the questions asked was why did California allow this fuel to just lay around, waiting to be kindled.

The answer was, because even dead, the plants offer some reduction in soil erosion and stability in the shifting of the soil. (ie: landslides)

How do you address a situation like that where you are damned if you do, damned if you don't?

I think it was protected for some " endangered species" if memory serves me correctly.

**Grim Jim** · 11-25-2007

I think its funny when people refer to Californians like we are all hippie surfers and/or wanna be actors. CA is actually a very huge state with all different types of people here.

If you were to take the length of our state it would run from Massachusetts to Georgia. Lumping us all into one pot is like saying Bostonians and people from the Carolinas are all the same.

The stereotypical Californians that most people think of when they hear about us are mostly confined to San Francisco (100 miles from me) and a small area of coastal Southern California (about 400 miles from me).

There are several separate and distinct areas of California and each one is larger than the size of most typical east coast states. On top of the above areas there is the Central Valley which is mostly farmers with huge tracts of farmland, the northern inland which is more like Oregon, there are the mountain-folk that live in the Sierra Nevada Mountains that border Nevada and they tend to be tough as nails redneck types many of whom are descendants of gold miners, there are the independent types of the Mojave desert that are loners and tend to be more like Nevadans than Californians.

I don't blame non-natives for not knowing this because most TV shows tend to portray us a certain way. It makes for good TV. Plus I think the midwest and south gets a kick out of saying "look at those crazy Californians"

I am a lifelong Californian and I have never surfed, I am not a vegetarian, I spent a lot of my childhood on a farm, I hate all of the phony yuppie types that infest our urban areas, and I've only been to Hollywood twice in my life.

Some Northern Californians have a beef with Southern California because they take all of our water. If it wasn't for the North the South couldn't support its huge population and would revert to the desert. I wouldn't be surprised if water conflicts were to flare up someday between the North and South.

**MuseNoir** · 11-25-2007

Amen, Grim Jim.

California is huge with a lot of different kinds of people, not what you see on tv at all. Sure there are ecological issues here... where is there not???

**Captain Beyond** · 11-26-2007

I'm sure there are many fine people there as some wonderful places as well. It just seems as if the idiots and radicals rule the entire state to the detriment of the average person.